Pastor Explores Mormon Holy Sites in Nauvoo and Carthage, Illinois

Why do Mormons have temples? Why was Joseph Smith killed in Carthage and why were Mormons chased out of Nauvoo, Illinois? Join me as I explore and learn!
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Hello Saints! My name is Jeff McCullough and I'm a Christian Pastor.
This channel is devoted to fighting criticism with curiosity as I invite dialogue between Christians and Mormons. Are Mormons christians? What do christians and Latter Day Saints agree and disagree about? Join me as I compare and contrast the lifestyle, culture and beliefs of Mormons and other the rest of the christian community.
Chapters
00:00:00 - I'm going to Nauvoo
00:00:40 - What is Nauvoo, Illinois?
00:03:50 - Nauvoo Mormon Visitor's Center
00:04:39 - Why did Mormons Settle in Nauvoo?
00:06:09 - Nauvoo, IL Temple
00:08:17 - Historic Latter-day Saint Settlement
00:10:13 - Death of Joseph Smith
00:13:31 - Pastor's Perspective of Mormon Temples
If you liked this video, you might like another video I made exploring the birthplace of Mormonism in Palmyra, New York: • Pastor REACTS to Birth...
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[@rasberryjamalicia]

I must admit, as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, I usually never click on videos where people are critiquing our faith because my experiences in the past have left me feeling completely misunderstood and hurt. So, when I first saw your video pop up as a suggestion on the sidebar, I was skeptical thinking, "It's just another hater." But I was drawn to yours for some reason, "What if this time it was someone genuinely exploring our faith and trying to understand who we are?" I decided to read the comments first to see if I could tell what kind of video it really was. I read how other members of my faith were impressed by your approach in your videos so, I felt like I could give this one a try. I want you to know that after watching this video I feel like I could watch more of your videos... even subscribe😉. Listening to you, the spirit witnesses to me that your heart is genuine, your questions are sincere, and you are truly and honestly just searching for a way to bring greater understanding on both sides. I think it really hit me when you described the solemn feeling you felt in Nauvoo and Carthage, the sadness of what had happened there, It was then, I began weeping... just grateful someone was willing to take the time to hear our full story. My mom grew up in Wisconsin, she and her mom (my grandma) tried a lot of different Christian churches together. I come from a long line of pastors and ministers. I love the stories of my grandparents and great-grandparents and I'm strengthened in my faith in Christ as I read their witnesses of Him in their lives as they served pastors: Methodist, Episcopalian, Baptist, Etc. But when my grandma and mom joined the LDS church, our Christian, cousins, aunts and uncles and grandparents didn't really want anything to do with us anymore. There was no dialogue, no conversation, no sincere questions. Just silence! Let's just say, your video fills a hole in me. It gives me hope to see that there are people out there willing to have good honest conversations, willing to approach with curiosity rather than criticism. I hope and pray that whenever you meet members of the LDS church, they ALWAYS give you the same respect that you have given us. Ultimately, our mission is the same; to help people believe in Jesus Christ and know that it is by Him, through Him, and of Him that we are saved from sin, death, and everything in between. He is the source of real love, of all truth and light! It's the best news for anyone to hear!! And that's what the world needs now more than ever! ❤🙏 Thank you again, you've gained my respect and appreciation! God bless you and your ministry!❤

[@annacalley9537]

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[@StellarLimpkin]

Yes!

[@hokeypokey1991]

Thanks for this! This was amazing. A fun fact about the Navoo Temple that I learned on my mission to Southern California. When the Saints left Navoo there was a great desire to return to the temple at a later date, but as you stated the temple was destroyed. Luckily the architect of the temple William Weeks kept the blueprints and took them with him to Utah. To make a long story short the plans were kept in the family for generations even though they ended up leaving the church, but even then the church had no idea where the blueprints were. Then in the the 70s or 80s a missionary was serving in an area of the Majave Desert in California knocked on a door. As it turned out, that door was the home of one of William Week's descendants and they were having a family meeting at the time. The father of the Family had just passed away and they wanted to do something to honor his memory. They had actually just made the decision moments before this missionary knocked on the door to give the blueprints to the church. The missionary was from Utah and was just about to go home in a couple of days so he was asked to take them and present them to the leaders of the church after getting back home. It was not until later that night did the missionary learn that the blueprints were for the Navoo temple, kept in perfect condition. The church then used these blueprints to perfectly rebuild the Navoo temple years later.

[@MiguelRivera-gj7bt]

Thanks for sharing im from Honduras and as a member of the chirch this is a great story to tell to my family.

[@hagamapama]

Fantastic story! I've never heard that before, thanks for sharing!

[@leifboyd1656]

Proof that you can learn through the eyes of love and understanding, without the need to denounce, criticize, or slander. I am a convert to the LDS faith during my early 20s. I was raised Catholic in Provo, Utah, and I had a hard time due to some bad experiences with certain members. I had something happen in my own life that led me ultimately to join the LDS church. I just wanted to say thank you for being a light for others to follow. I loved hearing your personal perspectives on gospels and the honest consideration and respect you gave to beliefs that were different than your own. You are a good man with a beautiful soul, and I applaud you and wish you good journey friend. - Leif Azrael

[@shihyuchu6753]

@@pauljakeman Obviously not

[@rmartinie]

Love this comment ❤

[@WeeKid1675]

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I am so impressed by and thankful for the respectful way you share what you’re learning. It’s very insightful to hear your thoughts. Thank you so much for taking the time to try to understand without feeling the need to find fault with or disprove my faith ❤️

[@sandrajohnson5624]

he was putting us down bad , I heard what he said, he is judging us, the absent of the cross and we have no need for temples, he needs to mind his own bussiness

[@louettesommers8594]

@@sandrajohnson5624 😢😢 he’s speaking truth.

[@travischristy9015]

@@louettesommers8594 he doesn’t understand the temple and what goes on inside. I appreciate his effort and he was complementary but his intention going to Nauvoo was not to convert but to talk about how the LDS are wrong all along. I don’t agree with his sentiment on the mood there. It’s not sad at all. I was recently there and it was quite the opposite. Unfortunately people not of the LDS faith will listen to him and not experience for themselves.

[@amiekelson472]

​@@sandrajohnson5624 I didn't hear anything that said he put us down. He disagreed with our doctrine and that is ok. We need to be able to be curious and kind about other faiths and my impression is that is exactly what he did. I personally don't want him to mind his own business. I want everyone to do exactly what he did and "come and see." I hope everyone will "come and see". I don't expect everyone to agree, but am so grateful when we can have a dialogue about our difference which is what I think he did very well. I am always thrilled when someone is genuinely trying to understand even when they don't get every fact right or come to the same conclusions I have. I appreciate the dialogue and I learned some things too about why other Christian faiths don't have temple ceremonies and importance of the cross. This helps me understand how I might need to speak about my faith differently to my other Christian friends because what happened on the cross is extremely important in our faith as well, we just don't talk about it in the same way which I think leads to misconceptions about what we believe. Anyway, just sharing that my impressions were a bit different than yours. Thanks Pastor Jeff I appreciate your genuine curiosity. I hope you will continue to stay curious and take the pieces you find that are helpful to build on your journey to bring you closer to Christ. God bless.

[@suzannehelland4176]

@@travischristy9015 LDS is a non-Christian faith, wake up.

[@beckyscreativespooniebeehive]

I am LDS, i have never heard why other christian religions don't have Temples, thank you for that explanation.

[@Pantimoto]

Yes, but wished he tackled why we did have temples.

[@yosef6664]

The reason is that we are the temple of God.

[@frommyownbackyard3209]

I thought the same thing. Wondering what his take is on why God would then help rebuild the temple in Jerusalem when he comes again of temples are no longer needed.

[@zZavies]

Hey Jeff. Love the channel man. I’m from southeast Missouri and the lord has placed an interest in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints within my hear . I am an evangelical Christian and appreciate what you are doing. God bless you.

[@MusicBlik]

Jeff - Thank you for your even-handed and open approach. I was struck by your sincerity. I agreed with everything you said about the Temple in antiquity, and how Christ fulfilled the Law, but I also absolutely affirm the necessity of latter-day temples, so your confusion as to the need for them was interesting to see. The other purpose to the Temple, that you mentioned but didn't explore, is for performing ordinances for the Dead. Temples are special, dedicated spaces where we are authorized to baptize our forbears by proxy - it's our answer to the question of the "fate of the Unbaptized". To us, the salvation of someone who was unbaptized in life but otherwise righteous is no longer in question - we perform the ordinance on their behalf and give them the opportunity to claim it after death, as they are currentl in a "waiting period" between their death and their future resurrection and the Final Judgment. This can ONLY be done in temples. (It would not have been mentioned in the Old Testament, as Jesus had not yet broken the bands of Death, but the Salvation of the Dead is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Peter 3-4. Read Doctrine and Covenants 137 and 138 for an expansion on the topic, if you're interested!) I'm looking forward to seeing your journey of exploration. Thanks for showing us around historic Nauvoo again - it's been some years since my family has been there!

[@estherlewis7458]

It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment. " Christ said that the rich man was already in torment Luke 16:26

[@estherlewis7458]

The 'spirits in prison' had sinned before the flood. They did not repent.

[@estherlewis7458]

I Cor. 15 speaks of pagans baptizing for the dead. "What will THEY do... Eternity is a long time to be wrong.

[@MusicBlik]

@@estherlewis7458 There's some disagreement among scholars whether Jesus' parable of the rich man and Lazarus is to be taken literally or illustratively, but aside from that question, I wouldn't disagree with you. There's nothing comforting in the afterlife for the unrepentant sinner - Peter calls it "prison" after all - but our view of that has a lot in common with Catholics' notion of Purgatory in that it is possible (but not at all easy or pleasant) to be cleansed of sin for a period after death. And if it was impossible for the spirits in prison to repent, why did Jesus bother go and preach to them? As for Paul's comment about baptism for the dead, he's mentioning it IN SUPPORT of his own point, which is to prove the reality of a future resurrection; I should hardly think he would use a pagan or heretical practice to bolster his own Gospel teaching.

[@jlewis8145]

@@MusicBlik We know three things for sure about the spirits mentioned in 1 Peter 3:19. They are incorporeal, they are imprisoned, and their sin was committed before the Flood. The spirits in prison are fallen angels or demons. The spirits in prison cannot be holy angels because the holy angels have not sinned and are not imprisoned. And not all the fallen angels are imprisoned, of course, for the New Testament gives many examples of demonic activity on earth. That leaves a select group of demons who, unlike the their fellow demons, are held captive. Jude 1:6 gives us an important clue: “The angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling-these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.” Some fallen angels committed an egregious crime of some kind; Jude 1:6 does not give details, but the demons’ sin was related to how they “did not keep their own position but deserted their proper dwelling.” According to 1 Peter 3:19, Jesus “made proclamation” to these spirits in prison. The Greek word translated “proclaimed” or “preached” means “to publicly declare” or “to herald.” If the spirits are demons, then Peter says that Jesus went to the Abyss and proclaimed His victory to the fallen angels imprisoned there. They had lost, and He had won. The cross triumphs over all evil (see Colossians 2:15).Their

[@bethcottam3328]

LDS member here: I’ve never hear that because of the crucifixion we don’t need temples any more. I found that so interesting. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I’m really enjoying your content.

[@e_8074]

Thank you, brother. May the respect and reverence you have shown us return to you tenfold, a hundredfold.

[@HelloSaints]

Thank you kindly

[@rconger384]

"Cast your bread upon the water and it will return to you toasted and buttered !" :)

[@brit8802]

@@rconger384 😂

[@KalleenHa]

My fourth great grandfather is Hyrum Smith. He was a devoted and loyal brother to Joseph. Nauvoo is one of my favorite church history sites, but I love them all! Your videos have been so refreshing and positive! Thank you. This is how interfaith bridges are built. As members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we would do well to learn more of other religions as a way of understanding and learning, as well. Looking forward to more of your research and fact finding videos!

[@mrmuggglegaming9836]

Just shared with my pastor here in salt lake and we are both following you and your journey. This is awesome!

[@InAllThingsBearHisName]

I can tell you are a very sweet and genuine caring person. I am grateful for your honest interest in the church without the harsh attacks and hateful speech. It means a lot to me and warms my heart.

[@SaxSpy]

as an LDS member, this video was great. its rare to find someone who disagrees with us online and doesnt immediately try to attack us. As far as the cross, i see the Atonement including the garden and cross. The cross to me is a symbol of His death rather than the ressurection. i imagine if we ever had a symbol, it would be the open tomb. the idea of temples around revolves around the beliefs of allowing all to receive Christ while still appealing to justice and mercy. would be cool to explore later

[@brettmajeske3525]

Well there is the new logo at the end of official videos that is of the resurrected Christ.

[@rachelczumaya2806]

@@brettmajeske3525 yes, that is the icon that we like to identify the church with better than the cross. Christ is risen!

[@__TrishMartinez]

🤦‍♀️ I never realized the arch around the picture of Christ represents His resurrection from the tomb.

[@dougstaker2934]

@@__TrishMartinez It's also the intersection of the compass and the square.

[@patricianoel7782]

Until David O. McKay was prophet, crosses were fine to wear. The cross is a symbol of the redemption of the dead. That is a very good thing. I’m a 65 year old TBM who is now wearing a cross necklace because my. Stake president said it was fine especially now that the church is pressing Christianity over Mormonism.

[@katelynshumway7694]

Hey Pastor Jeff, thank you so much for your sincere curiosity and open heart. I also love that the video is 18:30 min long, I’m sure it was not on purpose but it made me smile so thank you for that too :) I was thinking about some of the things you mentioned toward the end of the video, particularly the observation of the presence of the temple and the lack of the cross. I’m not an authority on the subject, and can only offer my understanding and perspective but I did want to share a couple of my thoughts. One of the things that is a fundamental belief of the LDS church is that we believe in eternal progression and learning, which is mostly what the temple is for. We believe that God is our father and as such we want to be like Him. The temple is one of the places we go to learn about him and make covenants and promises to strive to live by laws and standards he has set. It is where we go to learn how to change, improve, and individually strive to live closer to his standard. That being said I t is through Christ and his sacrifice that we are able to make these changes and become the kinds of people we strive to be. We also believe in the spirit and having a personal connection with Christ which is a great blessing, helps and guides us, and is also something we look for in the temple as a place to feel peace and have time to reflect and meditate, away from concerns and responsibilities of everyday life. In short the temple represents to me a hope and goal of the kind of person I want to become, and can become through Christ. To me the temple is a continuation of the sacrifice He made and the gift He gave me through his atonement and death on the cross.

[@alaynatuinei-efnor1457]

Love this- well said.

[@BGCflyer]

Sounds like you didn’t understand what he meant when he said Jesus fulfilled the need for temples.

[@NaeNae62]

@@BGCflyer I’m sure she understood. Temples are to fulfill further covenants in order for exaltation. (Not just salvation). We don’t have crosses because we love to worship the living Christ and we believe the garden of gethsemane is where He atoned for our sins.

[@annecox4068]

Beautifully said:) Even anciently, temples continued to be built after Christ had fulfilled the Atonement, which was both in Gethsemane and on the cross. Pastor, continue to study the importance of temples and then pray for further light an knowledge. Ask God about there purpose now and if they are relevant. The answer may surprise you.

[@johnlee1352]

Katelyn, are you a descendant of Charles Shumway?

[@div0ky]

Succinct, clean and informative. There's so much I don't know about LDS - I knew almost nothing in this video. Thank you for sharing!

[@commonsenseisntcommon1576]

I feel like he is a college freshman trying to explain complex astrophysics to his professor. I see the professor nodding and smiling. Yes pastor, keep learning more…

[@rachelczumaya2806]

If you want to know more about the temple, look up the Washington DC temple tour. They take you on a virtual tour inside the temple and you learn a lot about what happens in the temple and the symbolism of the ordinances there. I’m also happy to answer any questions you may have.

[@rachelczumaya2806]

@@commonsenseisntcommon1576 this is exactly the point. He is trying to explain our religion as a beginner in learning it. But I do appreciate that he is approaching religious differences with “curiosity, not contempt”.

[@NampaNinja777]

You're so respectful in the way that you explore our beliefs and then give your thoughts! Thank you so much Pastor Jeff! You show a great example of how we should go about discussing differences without the spirit of contention. Once again, Thank You! 😁

[@mrbrigham]

Great job! You might guess by my name what context I am from. i appreciate your work. At the end of this video I had the urge to give you a hug. Thank you for spending sincere and earnest time in this sacred place and seeking to understand our beliefs.

[@russdavis1823]

I'm LDS and Have been my entire life of 50 years. I love LDS History. I served a mission 40 years ago and loved it. Never before have I understood or heard such a detailed explanation from a Non member Christian as to why the need, or not need, for temples. Thank you so much for explaining your perspective on that. Lastly, as I looked through all of these comments, I noticed that there is not one negative reply... Not one! What a great sense of peace to find a site where people build, strengthen and respect each other.

[@annecox4068]

Yes! I thought the part about the news for temples was excellent also! It is very helpful to learn the perspective of other Christian faiths

[@shihyuchu6753]

@@annecox4068 Would you like to hear my perspective?

[@adalbertomodesusa]

Hey Russ, do you want to talk about your religion?

[@shihyuchu6753]

@@adalbertomodesusa following

[@rodbrannon1647]

So you served your mission when you where 10? Is my math bad, or is yours?

[@danielcasperson7447]

Your videos are so engaging! I didn't realize that I've just sat here watching for over 18 minutes. You're setting a great example to everyone how important and fun it can be to genuinely seek to understand others who have a different perspective. "Ask, seek, and knock" as our Savior said, truly is the best way to arrive at truth that blesses us.

[@cherstinane]

Thank you for your thoughtful and kind analysis. I am not an expert but I was told by my mom when I was a young LDS child that wanted to wear a cross, that we do not celebrate His death. We celebrate His resurrection. Maybe that is why as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints we do not celebrate (although we acknowledge it’s significance) Good Friday but we do consider Easter Sunday to be the holiest of days. Also, temples, as you noted, are for proxy work and for sealing families together for eternity. I have been told my whole life that my body is a temple and that I need to keep it clean and pure so that God can dwell within me. So yes, we do believe that our bodies are temples and that God can dwell within us as we strive to be clean by repenting and trying to obey His commandments. I appreciate you sharing your perspective as it made me realize how much we have in common with other Christian faiths. We do not want to be alone in our quest to bring souls to Christ. As Christians we need to share the blessing of bringing souls to Christ.

[@shihyuchu6753]

"It is FINISHED"!!!

[@DudeGuyWho]

@@shihyuchu6753 ...but what is 'it'? Is Christ taking a nap or just off playing some heavenly form of golf? If everything is finished why does he bother to show up to individuals (privately) after his resurrection? Was his resurrected body just hungry when others were eating a meal...so he just popped in to say hi and take a bit? When he said 'I will come to you', speaking of his post-death state... what was he referring to? Why show up to trouble Saul if everything was finished? Yes...he overcame key steps required thrift his mortal journey...but he is still quite active in our lives.

[@shihyuchu6753]

@@DudeGuyWho Obviously about the price for sin

[@miriamrobarts]

@@shihyuchu6753 When Christ said, "It is finished" on the cross, I believe he was referring to his Atonement. This great sacrifice started with Jesus suffering for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane & finished with his death on the cross. We believe that baptism isn't complete without the corresponding ordinance of Confirmation* (even though the ordinance of baptism itself is finished before the confirmation occurs). In the same way, I personally feel that the Atonement isn't complete without the Resurrection. What would be the point of being saved if we aren't resurrected? (Although, we do gain many blessings from the atonement in this life as well.) Christ's work continued on after his Atonement when he was Resurrected, and as he continues to lead and guide us today. Along with this, we believe in making sure that everyone has a chance to choose to accept (or reject) the gospel and the saving ordinances (such as baptism & confirmation). Since these ordinances must be performed in a physical body, we do proxy work for the dead in the temple. We can be baptized for someone who is dead, similar to the way Jesus took our place & paid for our sins as a gift to us. We don't have to accept the gift of the atonement if we choose not to, and the people we do proxy baptisms for don't have to accept the ordinance if they don't want it. But the gift is theirs if they choose to accept it. This is one of the reasons why temples are so important to us. Temple work ensures that everyone can be saved through Christ's atonement, if they choose to follow him. ---------------------- * Confirmation is an ordinance where the person who was baptized is given a special blessing which confirms them as a member of the church, and bestows the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This gift is a promise that they can always have the Spirit with them, if they keep the commandments & follow the promptings of the Spirit. Prior to receiving this gift, anyone can feel the the influence of the Spirit and he can help us, but we don't have the promise that he will remain with us all the time. The difference of "the gift of the Holy Ghost" is his constant companionship, if we are worthy of it.

[@shihyuchu6753]

@@miriamrobarts all you are doing is THINKING your wonderfulness will suffice. It wont and cant

[@unicorntamer2207]

I really like what you're doing, Pastor Jeff. Other Christian youtubers I've seen find out about LDS/Mormons and go, "whoa, they are so weird and wrong and we need to avoid them." I'm glad you're curious and exploring and spreading education. Fear spreading is stupid and not helpful.

[@steveneldredge3934]

I love these comments. Reading dialogue and sincere questions and not hate and rubbish is so refreshing and brings so much hope into my heart. Jeff, this is such a great video. Thank you for creating something that was simple yet so magnificent in bringing all of us brothers and sisters together of different faiths and beliefs to share and dialog. Love it!

[@jonathancarlson7659]

Looks like a large portion of your viewers are LDS members (me included). I am often curious about other faiths but can seldom have good conversations (other pastures won't tell me about their faith because they are only interested in attacking mine). You seem like a very respectful, down to Earth person and I look forward to watching your other videos.

[@pauljakeman]

I’m not LDS but interested in finding out about history and faiths. It’s given me a chance to find out about what other people go through and their history when I don’t know anyone from an LDS background, if that makes sense.

[@asterope62]

One of the most sacred hymns LDS sing during the weekly worship service includes these words, "Upon the cross of Calvery they crucified our Lord, and sealed with blood the sacrifice that sanctified his word." Another sacred LDS hymn, (sung as if Christ is talking to the singer) "Reverently & meekly now, Let thy head most humbly bow. Think of me, thou ransomed one; Think what I for thee have done. With my blood that dripped like rain, sweat in agony of pain. With my body upon the tree I have ransomed even thee." And words from another sacred LDS hymn, "... Bruised, broken , torn for us On Calvary's Hill; Thy suffering born for us lives with us still" One more sacred hymn. "For Jesus died on Calvary, That all thru him might ransomed be..." And another one, "We'll sing all hail to Jesus' name, And praise and honor give To him who bled on Calvary's hill And died that we might live." ....Another one, "Our Savior, in Gethsemane, Shrank not to drink the bitter cup, And then, for us, on Calvary, Upon the cross was lifted up." We might not use the "symbol" of the cross, but what Christ did there is remembered through the most sacred hymns we sing each week at church.

[@annecox4068]

yep, every single week before we partake of the sacrament and remember his death and renew our covenants to continue to take his name upon us. It is a very sacred part of our Sabbath, as I'm sure it is for you as well. I would love to hear more about the similarites:)

[@billmichaels7103]

As I understand, the LDS Church doctrine is that the atonement took place in the garden, not upon the cross.

[@jenniferyates7454]

@@billmichaels7103 We actually believe that the Atonement was started in the garden and finished on the Cross. Jesus dying is a part of the Atonement, not just suffering for our sins.

[@VaLynne1]

​@@jenniferyates7454 We as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints do not believe the Atonement finished on the Cross. Yes we believe that Christ dying is part of the atonement, but we also believe His resurrection is a very important part of the Atonement.

[@edgar21974]

@@billmichaels7103 from garden to resurrection was the completed Atonement. The suffering for our sins was in the garden as I understand it. As Luke described Jesus sweating great drops of blood, which can only happen under a massive amount of stress.

[@dougstaker2934]

When one fully understands the covenants made in the temple, they'll find that the cross is very much more associated with Latter-Day Saints than general public recognizes.

[@tacpaskett92]

Thank you for your respect for my faith and for being willing to share so much of what you have learned. God Bless.

[@lindapotter1982]

Thanks for your curiosity and openness. I grew up as a latter-day saint in the Bible belt. Needless to say, I had some less than stellar interactions with friends. I had some great experiences at vacation bible school and different church activities with my Baptist friends, but there was a wall against sharing any of my own experiences. It was sad, but I knew that they were just behaving as they felt was required of them. I had a similar experience visiting Nauvoo, a palpable sense of sadness. I live not far from Kirtland, OH and the feeling is quite different. I hope you get a chance to talk with Karl Andersen when you come to Kirtland. He is quite the Kirtland church history scholar, and the jolliest man I ever met. There are some great people at the Community of Christ here too that would love to share their perspective. We have a pretty good relationship between our churches. I love tours with them at the Kirtland temple, which their church owns and operates. There is so much more that we have in common than what divides us. I look forward to more videos from you. We have a crazy lot of people in our house, but guests are always welcome! I love what you are striving to do.

[@rconger384]

I visited Kirtland a few summers ago and was impressed by the very informative grounds-keeper at the Temple. Our friends at The Community of Christ are excellent stewards of that Holy place!

[@colemanlloyd4482]

Thank you for your respect to the LDS religion and history. It is refreshing to see someone have respect and reverence for another faith even though they don't necessarily believe in it.

[@CuriosityFeast]

If you have questions about the cross and Temples, let me know. I grew up baptist and chose to be baptized in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So I might be able to provide some helpful context in understanding both perspectives. God bless 😇

[@garysatterlee9455]

I joined the LDS Church in 1976 when I was 18 years old. I have never heard any Latter-day Saint belittle the CROSS. We have nothing but reverence for what Jesus Christ accomplished for us - including on the CROSS. What we DON'T do is regard the CROSS as an ICON. The CROSS has no power in and of itself - it deserves no special observances or admiration from us. It is an instrument of torture and execution. Our devotion is centered directly upon JESUS CHRIST our Savior and redeemer. Furthermore, our faith is centered on a LIVING CHRIST whom we believe directs the affairs of His Church today!

[@danielroehm2822]

I'm 67 years old, a former Catholic, and a new member of the Church of Jesus Christ. As a new member and a lover of Christ, I was shocked at the rejection I saw coming from many evangelical people. I feel that we are brothers and sisters in Christ and that this stems from misunderstanding. A lot of the wierd things that are supposed to be part of our beliefs are false. Thanks for doing this pastor. BTW: On Joseph Smith history, please look at the extenuating circumstances.

[@punkmonk76]

Thank you for approaching our faith and history in a respectful manner 🙏 I also enjoyed hearing your thoughts about temples and the cross. If you ever want to interview a latter-day saint on youtube, Cwic Media would be a good person to start with. Keep doing what your doing!

[@PeggyWest1127]

Yes, Cwic Media would be a wonderful chat.

[@jansorenson5047]

It's lovely to read the comments and different perspectives thus far, I have really enjoyed your presentation as you appear to be open minded in learning about the faith. I just want to comment about the LDS viewpoint on Jesus. He IS central to everything we believe in. His experience on the CROSS, certainly is and will be forever part of our beliefs as a crucial part of the Atonement. His experience in the Garden, is where LDS members feel he took upon Himself the sins of the world, with great drops of blood leaving his pores. His experience on the cross, though very agonizing, was not uncommon for many people of the time, as a curl and unusual punishment for those sentenced to die. We believe that both the Cross and the Garden culminated in what we call the great Atonement. It is our faith and belief that the Atonement, in whatever package you want to put it, is the central focus what LDS members believe. It is not much different than what traditional Christians believe in. Yes, Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to destroy, but no where do I read in the scriptures that temples or temple worship was done away with. If God were to instruct a people to build a temple then we will, and he has. Gods instructions to the people of the earth has not stopped, nor will it. That is one of the big difference between what traditional Christians believe in and what the LDS faith believes in. Thanks for your perspectives, keep up the great work.

[@violetlaw8119]

YOU are SPEAKING THE TRUTH in Love, towards the LDS faith, with complete CLASS........

[@violetlaw8119]

I was a member for 4 days, back in 1990. Mormons are nice ppl, although, the church teaches false doctrine... Basically, they are an occulted cult

[@StephanieBennion]

You may be interested in the book "Considering the Cross" by John Hilton III which is written by a member scholar who argues for why we don't recognize the cross enough in the modern Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It illuminates largely cultural, not doctrinal, factors that de-emphasize cross iconography and has helped me as a member overcome subtle cultural biases I've felt towards the symbol of the cross (one small one for me being that it represents Christians who don't like us and thus it doesn't represent us, when it deeply does represent what I believe.) I hope members of my faith come to see that more clearly over time so we don't ever neglect the crucial act of Jesus done specifically on the cross. That being said, I feel like we will always worship more so the symbol of the resurrected Christ which will always be sacred to us, but maybe the cross will join it more often someday :)

[@TofuTal]

I have sort have wished this as well as a member, knowing that the use of the cross for others represents a beautiful belief and not a “focus on death” as has at times been suggested, no disrespect to those who have said so. I do wonder sometimes if those cultural things just ended up being happy accidents God allowed so He could eventually give us the wonderful Church logo we have now of Jesus coming out of the tomb. It does seem something that has unnecessarily been a point of division between us and other Christian churches that I wish wasn’t so. Perhaps we will (due to channels like this and other wonderful happenings) have more understanding, and unity in the future as followers of Christ.

[@rachelczumaya2806]

There is nothing sinful about acknowledging the cross, but it is just not the focus. The resurrection is the focus. That’s why we don’t icon it. Instead we icon the temple, because it’s the Lord house where people can go to meet Him, symbolically and even literally. Several people have met the Lord there in the temples.

[@patricianoel7782]

I replied above so I’ll just add that as a 65 year old member I now a cross necklace as it reminds me to pray always.

[@pearlnik5]

I believe it has to do with idolatry. I am not saying everyone wearing a cross is worshipping and/or praying to it. It was easy for the Israelites to create images to worship. It is the same for us. I worship Christ. I do not need a symbol to tell people that. I show that with my actions outwardly and daily repentance privately.

[@rasberryjamalicia]

Excellent book recommendation! John Hilton III "Considering the Cross" - I've listened to his Seeking Jesus podcast and he shares a lot of the same ideas in that.❤😍

[@gailbennett963]

Amen! Thanks for sharing the true gospel with our LDS friends.

[@TheHappyNarwhals]

Passive aggressive

[@vippy61]

I love Nauvoo--I've been there three times. It's a sacred place. I was fascinated by your view on why temples are not needed today--I have never heard that before. I don't know if that belief is widespread among most other Christian faiths but it helps me understand more where you all are coming from on that point. Everything you said is what we also believe except for your conclusion about not needing temples today. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe our faith is a restoration of what Jesus Christ organized on earth previously so temples, prophets, apostles, etc are part of that. Others in the comments have expressed well why we love temples and feel they are necessary so I won't say much to add to that except that it is truly a blessing to have a sacred place, a holy place, away from the chaos of the world, to feel God's peace. I don't think we have anything against crosses (I love seeing them) it's just that we don't use them as a symbol of our faith.

[@joeswenson7237]

Thank you again for your respectful approach to reviewing the LDS faith. As a LDS bishop and one with a profound gratitude for the doctrines of our church, and the gospel of Jesus Christ, I really appreciate it when members and leaders of other Christian faiths reach out to learn and discuss, and even respectfully debate the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ, as found in our different churches… In your series, you’ve done a masterful job of that. And I salute you for it! I think those who are commenting that you were disrespecting the LDS faith by disagreeing with our doctrines, are being a bit hypersensitive and our misguided. When we look at the terrible conflict our church has had historically… I think some respectful debate on doctrinal issues is a breath of fresh air… God bless you and keep you as you strive to do his will brother!

[@harpersmith3599]

I am so happy to find your channel!! I am excited to check out the rest of your videos. It sounds like you are learning a lot. I appreciate learning your perspective of my church.

[@aaronaisen2568]

Very well done. I appreciate how you showed respect for the Latter-day Saints at the same time you shared what you believe. Great job!

[@SacaPuuntas]

Very well made and respectful video. Even as an LDS member, I enjoyed your pastoral perspective at the end. Those perspectives can lead to some great respectful gospel conversations. Godspeed!

[@davidrubio9984]

I've never been to Nauvoo, I'm from Yucatan Mexico and I've been a member if the church since I was baptized at 8 years old, but thanks to you this is the first time I see a tour of Nauvoo and to learn your perspective

[@jesuschristlives2724]

I've been to Yucatan but not Nauvoo. It's on the list

[@chaywarburton3488]

Hello from Utah! I served my mission in Yucatan and Campeche back in 2014-2016. Love and miss all of you!

[@louisaporter771]

I love Nauvoo!! I served a performing service mission there this summer, where a cast of about 50 young adults sing, dance, and play music portraying the early saints of our church for the visitors who come during the busy summer months. Such a special place, thank you for sharing your experience!!

[@kathrinebeeder9892]

I am a member of the LDS church. And my heritage goes back to Nauvoo and beyond. I have been raised in Utah. Most of our family vacations were throughout the west. I LOVE my home state Utah and the beauty, tradition, and spirit. Your video showing Nauvoo and the temple made me tear up because I have gotten older and I don’t believe I will ever see that place. But that was where my church first started to really grow and become what it was eventually going to be. I enjoyed your tour you took me on. Again, I had tears. And yes, there’s a sadness. Joseph Smith gave his entire life to fulfilling what the Lord required of him, since he was 14. He made mistakes. And he had enemies from that time until his death. We understand a lot of the fulfillment of his mission, which included sacrifice. Even his own life to seal his testimony. I regularly visit my temples in Utah and love them so much. There is a Spirit there that testifies of his love for all his children. And we go to serve, not be served. We are helping those who cannot do for themselves. The Lord fulfilled his final mission on the Cross. He did for us what we couldn’t do for ourselves. He opened the way to heaven. And He is the only one who could do it. And I believe what he wants from us most is a willing heart and a contrite spirit. To learn and grow and serve others. And to grow through tribulation and learn purpose and joy. Again, thank you for showing me that place. It’s so close, but yet so far away.

[@debfryer2437]

If the ground in Nauvoo could weep for what happened there it would be frightening and deafening. The pioneers gave everything for their faith. Most of them came from England and Northern Europe. They left homes and families in many instances to gather to Zion. Wherever they settled, even temporarily, they improved and beautified. Nauvoo was a mosquito infested swamp and look what they did! Then their beloved Joseph and his brother Hyrum were murdered. As they were driven from Nauvoo in the dead of winter, mobs burned the temple to the ground. The temple they had sacrificed so much to build. The current temple building sits on that hallowed ground after being rebuilt not long ago. So yes. It is a wonderful place because it was the city of Joseph, but when he was killed the whole area went into mourning. That’s what you are feeling, pastor. Thank you so much for your respectful content.

[@pearlnik5]

I appreciate your love and respect. Thank you for showing so much of both.

[@celticblessings8868]

The Temple represents the UPPER ROOM experience where Jesus appeared to his disciples in a closed room and showed his hands to Doubting Thomas, as mentioned in the Book of Acts. The Temple grants exaltation, also known as 'crowns of reward', mentioned in the Bible, which faithful followers of Christ will receive. If the building were called 'THE UPPER ROOM' instead of 'THE TEMPLE' you would immediately understand what its purpose is. When you realize that salvation is by grace and faith in Christ, and 'crowns' are earned by faithful service to Christ out of your love for him, then you understand the Temple. I hope this helps 👍

[@doa2758]

It is important in a world that does not believe in God, calls good evil and evil good, that worships secularism (and on and on.) and seeks to take God out of public life. That all believers in God show respect for one another, without regard to tenets and beliefs points of doctrine, and in this way "love one another". This is the way we build harmony in our neighborhoods and communities in doing good and resisting evil. Tearing down or desecrate others cherished beliefs and faith in God; denying persons the right to worship - who, what, how, they choose is not consistent, in my view with Gods wishes for His children. This video is respectfully presented and provides another perspective of faith of the pastor and his view of the meaning of the symbol of the Cross and its significance. SImilarly I have visited Nauvoo and found the experience rewarding, educational and faith promoting. Those who I have encountered there at the historical sites were very kind and thoughtful. I had the pleasure to attend (seasonal) theatrical performances that were full of energy, wholesome and appropriate for all ages.

[@alict59]

Thank you for this lovely video. I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints my whole life. I think because of that, I don't know a whole lot about other churches. Thank you for your beautiful explanation about the cross. While we do believe that Christ fulfilled the law of Moses, we also believe that He instituted a higher law which involves temple worship. I'm looking forward to watching some of your other videos. Your outlook is very refreshing!

[@jasoncampbell8667]

Thank you for an honest and thoughtful tour and perspective!

[@naomi3kids1]

The whole reason for temples is to do work for those that have passed away without those blessings. What a blessing that is for them. ❤

[@jeR-m]

I subbed with your most recent video. As soon as I seen the titles, I had to. I'm on a similar journey. Can't wait to see more. Much love & respect from Charleston WV! I LOVE YOU ELDER RAUSCH!

[@HelloSaints]

Thanks for the sub!

[@kelliewood9544]

The meaning of the cross is sacred and discussed in almost every way at the church. Who said we have to wear it in a necklace or place it on top of chapels? If we do that we're at risk of worshipping the item instead of the spiritual act. We need temples to do baptisms for the dead, and to perform marriages in a sacred, quiet building where there's reverence to our Heavenly Father and Jesus. The Book of Mormon is amazing. It's all about how sacred the Native American Indians are. Jesus did visit them after His resurrection. The Hopewell Mounds and thousands of artifacts in Eastern America prove it's authenticity. Wayne May has excellent videos of these discoveries. I liked your video! I've never visited Nauvoo and enjoyed your scenes.

[@prankgirl9112]

If everyone in the world was as open minded and loving as you, this would be a beautiful place. Thanks for doing this series.

[@tyharmon18]

I’ve just discovered your channel, and I LOVE IT. You’re SO thoughtful, curious, respectful, insightful, and thorough. I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints, and I can’t praise you enough for the way you’re exploring and investigation our faith. I love your curiosity, I appreciate your perspective, and I’m eager to watch more of your videos WITH my kids, to give them a taste of the way others see the LDS faith from the outside looking in. God bless you, brother.

[@andyworkman8699]

You need to go to a temple open house. Before temples become dedicated, consecrated spaces the church opens the doors for the community to walk through the temple and see why and how we use the building. I'm sure if you look online you can find an temple under construction in the Midwest. When it is complete there will be an open house and you can go tour the temple for free.

[@robwilliams2265]

Well, you won't see HOW we use the temple. There is no way anyone can guess what goes on there just through an open house. Even when you are LDS, you will often go through a class that they say will prepare you to go to the temple. But when you get there, it is nothing like you imagined even if you went to an open house, because latter Day saints will not talk about what goes on in there, they will just tell you that it's sacred not secret, even though it's still secret

[@jlewis8145]

1 Corinthians 15:29: “Otherwise, what will they do, those being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not at all raised, why indeed are they baptized on behalf of the dead?” We do know by comparing it with the rest of Scripture that it does not mean that a dead person can be saved by someone else being baptized on his or her behalf, because baptism is not a requirement for salvation in the first place (Ephesians 2:8; Romans 3:28; 4:3; 6:3-4). The entire passage (vv. 12-29) is about the surety of the resurrection, not about baptism for the dead. The plain meaning of the Greek in verse 29 is that some people are being baptized on behalf of those who have died-and if there is no resurrection, why are they doing this? Paul is referring to a pagan custom (notice he uses "they," not "we"). Paul certainly does not approve of the practice; he merely says that if there is no resurrection, why would the custom take place? The Mormon practice of baptism for the dead is neither scriptural nor sensible. Baptism for the dead is a practice that was common in the pagan religions of Greece and is still practiced today by some cults; but it doesn’t change a person’s eternal destiny, for that is determined while he lives (Luke 16:26).

[@brianzilich2367]

Great video and perspective!

[@gmail2272]

Hey Brother! I just watched your video and have to thank you for your sincere interest and personal perspective. Beautifully done! I am an LDS convert. I also love and respect the early Saints for their dedication and sacrifice for their faith. I also appreciate the points you made at the end of your video regarding the cross and the temple, which have more to do with the subject of “The falling away and Restoration of the gospel,” of which I’m sure you’ll cover at some point. I’ll keep watching your videoes, it’s always great to get real and genuine perspective. May God bless you in your discoveries! 😇

[@zoeeldredge4762]

Thank you for being so respectful towards my religion. I love your questions and your perspective.

[@bestill365]

Loved this! The title to the video needs revised though. Mormon is a book of Mormon prophet, and his name belongs on the front of the that book and its pages. You, my friend, visited The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint's Nauvoo temple! You literally can't find Mormon's name on any of our churches or temples.

[@dashingben]

Hi Pastor Jeff, so much to explore and I've enjoyed your videos so far. I would love for you to read the Book of Mormon and share your honest reflections on that. It would probably need to be divided into a few videos. I think you and your audience would find that very beneficial. Another good idea for you would be to review a recent General Conference. That is when the Church leaders speak to the members twice a year. That would give you a good idea of our day to day struggles and a peak into the life of a Latter - Day Saint. Thanks again for your videos. Very interesting!

[@rachelczumaya2806]

What would be really cool is if he breaks it up into sections and does like a little mini series on it. Pastor Jeff, if you were interested in doing that, I am happy to break it up into the sections for you.

[@annecox4068]

Yes! General Conference is coming up in October! You must come! This is where the prophets and apostles will teach! In the Book of Mormon, there are several chapters in 1 Nephi 14-16 where this ancient prophet saw our day. He saw the Bible and he saw the Book of Mormon helping build the faith in Jesus Christ. It is such a powerful book and these ancient prophets are beloved by us as members of the Latter Day Saint Church😃

[@shanecarter5271]

He has been reading the BOM and sharing his thoughts.

[@2064goals]

Thank you Pastor!!! So good. The education is invaluable and your presentation impeccable. God bless your every endeavor.

[@sbaby-np5hy]

Thank you pastor Jeff for being so incredibly respectful and kind.

[@kevinowens155]

I am a member of The Church and I really enjoy your open minded research and opinion. I really would like to hear and see a video after you read the book of mormon.

[@lucybrenton149]

Yeah, it'll be really cool when he shows that Joe Smith plagiarized the writings of Isaiah and imported them into the BoM.

[@marquitacollette743]

Like you said...the temple is to do baptisms for those who have passed on and still need to be baptized to enter God's kingdom. Also to marry those couples who haven't been married for time and for eternity. It wouldn't be a loving God not to provide access to all the ordinances He offers. I testify to you that He loves us all. We are His children and he wants us all to love Him and each other. He does not want us to look for differences but to see how we can all live like He does. I love you Brother and I pray that you will receive an Eternal marriage that God offers all of his children.

[@shortvideo.292]

LDS member here and I want to think you for being respectful.

[@Superpropertymanager]

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I love your honesty you displayed in attempting to portray your feelings as a Pastor. As for the need for Temples, look no further than in Luke 24 and what the resurrected Savior asked His disciples to do.

[@scottallred5370]

We believe in the cross and respect what it represents. Even Jesus acknowledges the roll it played during the atonement: 3 Nephi 27:13 Behold I have given unto you my gospel, and this is the gospel which I have given unto you-that I came into the world to do the will of my Father, because my Father sent me. 14 And my Father sent me that I might be lifted up upon the cross; and after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, that I might draw all men unto me, that as I have been lifted up by men even so should men be lifted up by the Father, to stand before me, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

[@chelseaashdown6917]

I hope you can dig a little deeper into the “cross” & the reason for a temple in the LDS church! Maybe reach out to a Temple President for an interview 💖

[@annecox4068]

Wonderful idea! I feel that your explorative videos will even help those of us who have been members a long time learn more about our own faith! Thank you for your wonderful videos!

[@rhondapawlak5105]

This is Tom, the Pastor stated that temples are not necessary because Jesus was on the cross. See also Baptism; Baptism for the Dead; Genealogy and Temple Work; Salvation in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited, Isa. 24:22. bring out the prisoners from the prison, Isa. 42:7. say to the prisoners, Go forth, Isa. 49:9 (1 Ne. 21:9). proclaim liberty to the captives, Isa. 61:1 (Luke 4:18). saviours shall come up on mount Zion, Obad. 1:21. sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit, Zech. 9:11. turn … the heart of the children to their fathers, Mal. 4:6 (Luke 1:17; 3 Ne. 25:6; D&C 2:2; 110:15; JS-H 1:39). bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, Matt. 16:19 (D&C 128:8). preach deliverance to the captives, Luke 4:18. dead shall hear the voice of the Son, John 5:25. Lord both of the dead and living, Rom. 14:9. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, 1 Cor. 15:19. why are they then baptized for the dead, 1 Cor. 15:29. that they without us should not be made perfect, Heb. 11:40 (D&C 128:15). preached unto the spirits in prison, 1 Pet. 3:19. gospel preached also to them that are dead, 1 Pet. 4:6. **my testimony is that God works on both sides of the veil. Also, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the only church that I know of that believes this and practices this as part of God's Gospel.

[@RyleeLuz]

I really love your content. Keep these coming!

[@danielroehm2822]

Regarding the cross, we believe Christ is alive. We believe that the atonement which includes his death on the cross is the most important gift that he gave us.

[@rconger384]

Couple things: First, I hope you get over to see the Kirtland Ohio Temple and learn of the 1835 Pentecostal manifestation there. Our theological cousins at the Community of Christ are great stewards of that Holy place! Second, you can go inside another temple that is open to the public until June 11th. There was a renovation of The Washington DC temple and you can lookup tours by searching: Washington DC Temple Open House .

[@As-Eye-See-It]

I appreciate your interest and your perspective. It is good to learn a little about the evangelical culture and belief as well as you share your thoughts. Concerning your observation on the absence of the cross, I will say this... That the cross is prevalent within the ceremonies of the temple (not the physical cross, but the teachings, meanings, and power of the cross--it is in fact central to our worship within the temple, and while you can't know this from the outside, you will have to trust me on this from one who has experienced the sacredness of that within the temple. Everything within is focused on Jesus Christ and the cross is central to it all). Anyhow, I am looking forward to your additional content. May God bless you and your family!

[@teckcrew1]

As an LDS member I want to say thank you for the respectful and thoughtful video. I would enjoy a conversation with you about our beliefs.

[@iowaguy6470]

Thank you for your genuine curiosity and love you have for us. I've had some sour encounters with evangelical pastors.

[@wiscogirl3]

Hello! I don't quite know how it happened, but I came across your channel on KZbin and I've really enjoyed your perspective and attitude in learning about other faiths. I've always found it fascinating how similar various religions/faiths can be and I wish you the best of luck in your journey! On a side note, if you're curious to learn more about the temple I would recommend looking for a "temple open house" near you (or travel to one). After a temple has been built, there is a period of time before it is dedicated where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints invites anyone to go inside and tour the temple. It's completely free but I do believe that you need to sign up in advance. There should be more information on the Church's website. :)

[@tanyarobinson1146]

It really isn't necessary to sign up. It is beneficial, but I don't think they would turn anyone away.

[@wiscogirl3]

@@tanyarobinson1146 I agree! :)

[@annecox4068]

I'm not sure the Washington D.C. temple is dedicated yet. see if you can jet over and take a look. it's a very impressive and iconic temple.

[@__TrishMartinez]

Thank you so much for being respectful. This is a quote regarding why we don’t have crosses, “The cross is used in many Christian churches as a symbol of the Savior’s death and Resurrection and as a sincere expression of faith. As members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we also remember with reverence the suffering of the Savior. But because the Savior lives, we do not use the symbol of His death as the symbol of our faith.” Essentially, the way I see it is that, Christ’s light that shines from within is an expression of our faith. There is so much depth to temples that I won’t go into it here but one of the things we do there is make a covenant with the Lord, in a sacred space set apart from the world, to consecrate our everything to Jesus. Temples symbolize a life dedicated to Jesus and family relationships that extend beyond our time here on this earth.

[@__TrishMartinez]

@@curthoaldridge507 Hi Curt, I'm sorry that your experience wasn't a positive one but I am happy that you have found peace in your relationship with the Savior no matter where that has led you.

[@MedievalMary]

Thank you for your respect and openness. There is so much more for you to learn about temples, and why they are important. There are many facets to temples, but for simplicity it comes down to sealing ordinances. Hope your path is filled with knowledge and faith. Thank you for sharing.

[@pauljakeman]

Love seeing videos where I learn something. Great video!

[@alatterdaysaintonfire5643]

Thank you. One thing you did not mention is Joseph Smith was the first assassinated Presidential candidate. I would love to have a face to face discussion on the necessity of the Temple

[@rabbithole2015]

Interesting video. I'm an ex member of the lds church. I left in 2015 and formally resigned in 2017 along with my wife. It wasn't until my serving in the bishopric that I lost all trust and faith in the lds religion. I'm still very interested in these historical sights you visited. Even though I no longer believe the truth claims of the lds church they are still my people. My ancestors and my family are lds. I would still like to visit this area someday. I don't have any respect for the leadership of the lds church and especially Joseph Smith but I do love the members. So I have a love hate relationship with the lds church if that makes sense.

[@lucybrenton149]

Same. I love my LDS friends and family and can't stand the religious organization that takes advantage of its members and not just keeps them naive... they also hide the facts and suppress dissent.

[@JellyfishLighting-Michael]

I'm really enjoying these videos you have put together. I think I've watched half a dozen of them so far. I enjoy the way you have crafted the videos, as well as the perspective you have shared. I think you are doing a great job. Best of luck to you. Thanks for making them.

[@matthewbennett1911]

Excellent video brother! I’m LDS and I’m also a fan of your loving style. I’ll be watching more of your videos. Peace.

[@MrDaveKC]

Hi Pastor Jeff, thanks for sharing this. I actually grew up in Independence, Missouri as a Christian, but school had lots of friends who believe in the Book of Mormon, although more were from what was known as the RLDS church, now the Community of Christ. If you ever come this way, there's a good number of pieces of history here in western Missouri, including the Visitors center in Independence, the Community of Christ Temple (you can actually go in) and the Community of Christ auditorium. Also, the Church of Christ Temple Lot which has a small church on the ground of what Joseph Smith prophesied would be where the Temple would be built. I have recently had a number of LDS missionaries friend me on Facebook of late, and I learned something recently that surprised me, but might tie into the explanation of not having the cross on the meeting houses or temples. The LDS church as I understand puts the primary focus on the atonement at the Garden of Gethsemane, rather than on the cross. And as I understand the claim is that they're fulfilling the scripture about the shedding of blood due to his sweating blood. Now I would still defer to others within the LDS church for more definitive answers, but that's my understanding. So if you're ever out this way, it's worth checking things out in Independence, the Liberty jail, and then up in the Far West area, as well as the location he said was the Garden of Eden. So thanks again for your video and the exploration. It's very interesting to hear you're perspective.

[@annecox4068]

ooh! and Adam-ondi-ahman and the Sacred Grove where God and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph when he was a young man. As a Latter-Day Saint, I love the Community of Christ tour at Nauvoo. They share common ancestry with the Latter-Day Saints and a love for many of the same doctrine.

[@MrDaveKC]

@@annecox4068 I don't have an LDS (or RLDS/Community of Christ) background. But growing up in Independence I've had a lot of curiosity from my friends. I've not made it out to Adam-Ondi-Ahman, but maybe someday I will. In fact, I need to get to the Liberty Jail, that's maybe 10 minutes from my house. :)

[@HelamanGile]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has something called an open house that you can go to so you can visit temples before they are dedicated and you can even have things described to you about what they're used for mostly they are for a family work sealing families for all eternity and for helping those who have passed on and baptizing them if they haven't had a chance or an opportunity to learn about it here on Earth. This gives them the opportunity to accept the saving ordinances some of the things done in the temple are also done just in a normal church buildings but not for the Dead but not by proxy that is for temples. Temples are the spiritual Middle Ground Between Heaven and Earth.

[@HelamanGile]

Our symbol is the resurrected Christ not the cross because we believe that he lives again representing the resurrection that soon will come in our Sacrament meetings we recognize his death and atoning sacrifice Jesus atoned for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane

[@HelamanGile]

It is my personal opinion that Jesus didn't have to die on the cross he could have died afterward he was just giving us an example of how we must live our lives people are so wicked that they killed him on the cross his own people who should have celebrated his coming didn't recognize him Jesus Christ lived his life as we too must strive to live In The Garden of Gethsemane Jesus felt all of our pain and knew all our sins

[@HelamanGile]

Thank you for your video

[@lairdsessions6254]

As a lifetime LDS member I’m deeply grateful for your honest and fair approach- I feel safe in your hands despite the fact we don’t see eye to eye on everything- please keep making these videos- my ancestors lived on those streets in Nauvoo

[@benashcroft8806]

Thank you for providing a respectful review! Your kindness is a reflection of your desire to follow the example of Christ!

[@kendra_87]

Non-LDS here who has also been learning about the CoJCoLdS (LDS). I generally agree with your point about the prevalence of the temple in the LDS church and the absence of it in mainline Christian traditions because God’s presence indwells believers via Holy Spirit. However, the temple still seemed important to believers even after Jesus’ death and resurrection bc we see it mentioned and the disciples and others going there (eg Acts 3:1, 5:42). And that’s after Pentecost, so presumably they already have God’s presence via Holy Spirit, so what’s the use of the temple them?

[@dorothyloosle708]

That's a good question. God commanded His people to build temples in order to help His people draw closer to Him and return to Him. Everything in the temple pointed them towards Christ. We have temples today for the same reason. We go there to learn more from Him, remember Him, and connect with Him. Think about how Moses would always go up on the mountain to talk with God and learn from Him. Mountains were used before they had temples. Also, temples are important to members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because we can seal our families there so that we can be together forever. We also perform ordinances on behalf of our dead. Like baptism for example. Baptism is a commandment and essential in order to return to live with God. However, many good people died without having the opportunity to be baptized or even hear about Christ. That is why the temple is important, so that our dead can be saved. I have worked and served in multiple temples and I can tell you, they are the most sacred places you can be in. I have received personal revelation there and I have felt God's presence so strongly inside. The Holy Spirit will always be with us, but there is something special about going to His house. It is sacred and beautiful. Let me know if you have any more questions:)

[@dorothyloosle708]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4a8d2SKjZqFrq8 This video shows what modern temples look like, what they are for, and why they are important. I hope you enjoy it!

[@kendra_87]

@@dorothyloosle708 Thanks for your response! My question was more so directed toward a non-LDS perspective. Like, I understand how LDS use temples today (all the things you said) but I’m wondering how mainline Christians explain the existence and function of the temple among New Testament believers prior to its destruction in 70 AD since many would say temples were not necessary after the Holy Spirit was given. But while you’re here, maybe you can help me answer other questions I have about LDS temples. Why do the dead need ordinances done? Once the dead are dead, that’s it. Ecclesiastes 9:5 the dead know nothing and they have no more reward. Psalm 6:5 in death there is no remembrance of God Alma 34:32-33 This life is the time for men to prepare to meet God and to perform their labors, for after this life then cometh the night of darkness where no labor can be performed Luke 16:19-31 emphasis on vs 25-26 on the great chasm so that once dead one cannot cross from Hades (the dwelling place of the dead) to Abraham’s side (essentially spirit paradise). If someone hasn’t heard the gospel or been baptized yet, in our eyes that’s unfair, just like Lazarus (from Luke 16) thought his situation was unfair, but it’s our sin that condemns us, not God’s withholding of something. The idea that “many good people died without having the opportunity” doesn’t really hold up because none of us is good. Mark 10:18 Jesus himself says there is none good, not one, except God. I don’t know if I necessarily believe all that bc it’s a hard pill to swallow if true, but at least, that’s how this was taught to me.

[@gtf5392]

@ Kendra: I think in terms of your first question, I would say that the key difference is whether temples are mentioned vs. emphasized. In the verses you highlighted both evens actually take place outside the temple itself - the healing at the temple gates and the preaching in the temple square. So they don’t actually involve doing any special works or ordinances in the temple itself. So, my guess is the disciples went to the temple because that is where they knew people would be congregating and potentially be receptive to the hearing about Jesus’ resurrection. As it says later in Acts 17:24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.” Also on all of Paul’s missionary journeys, he covered a pretty wide area and there is no mention of a need to set up temples in those various locations. Instead, as he writes in Galatians 2:20-21 “I have been crucified with Christ and no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loves me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through law, Christ died for nothing.” God bless!

[@kendra_87]

@@gtf5392 Thank you for that explanation! That’s a good point. Just because something is mentioned doesn’t mean it’s saying anything about how it’s used, if it’s good/bad, etc. similar to how slavery, polygamy, baptizing for the dead, and there being no marriage in heaven are mentioned but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are part of doctrines or commandments. Regarding Acts 17:24 that you quoted, if God doesn’t live in temples made from human hands then what does it mean that the temple was called house of the Lord / house for the Lord? Thanks for taking the time to discuss, this stuff is difficult to sort out on one’s own without the right background / context.

[@savezelda]

"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?" 1 Corinthians 15:29 So glad this important and ancient practice has been restored in our day!!

[@estherlewis7458]

Baptism for the dead is a pagan practice. Notice the word 'they.' What will 'THEY' do ..... Why are 'THEY' then... Paul is speaking about the surety of the resurrection in this chapter. He was pointing out that even pagans believed that there was a resurrection, that is why they baptized for the dead. It is a waste of time and water. Christ said that there are no second chances. Luke 16:26 Heavenly Father said, It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment. You can trust Jesus.

[@chrishumphries7489]

@@estherlewis7458 Let's actually look at the "they" Paul is speaking to. Paul is clearly writing to the members of the Church in Corinth. Even in verse 1 of Chapter 15 he begins with, "Moreover, brethren..." (1 Cor 15:1). Then in verse 12 he goes into a problem the saints in Corinth are having, "Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?" (1 Cor 15:12). "Some among you." Among who? Among the saints, among the brethren (see verse 1). Now we get the verse, "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" (1 Cor 15:29). It is clear that these are not pagans. These are members of the church who are teaching there is no resurrection, but yet still participating in baptisms for the dead. Paul simply asks, 'why are those people being baptized for the dead, if the whole purpose of baptism for the dead is that it is an ordinance pertaining to the physical body, and would be meaningless if there were no resurrection from the dead.' Further, if these people he is referring to were pagans, then why would Paul not condemn the practice, or at least say 'who cares what the pagans do' if he didn't think it important. But no, it is clear in context what is going on and who Paul is referring to (see 1 Corinthians 15 verses 1, 12 and 29).

[@estherlewis7458]

@@chrishumphries7489 'What will THEY, other people, do ..... Trying to rearrange Bible verses won't change God's mind. "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment. " Luke 16:26 The rich man in hell could not return. You don't sound very eager to get into heaven, so God will give you what you want. Christ said that your sins would not be forgiven and you would be condemned, if you did not believe that he is God.

[@estherlewis7458]

@@chrishumphries7489 There are a lot of things Paul did not condemn. Paul did not condemn: *** a married man getting a 16 year old girl pregnant and then sending her back to live with her aunt *** marrying two sets of sisters *** marrying two sets of a mother and her daughter *** sending men on missions and then marrying their wives *** promising fathers a higher spot in heaven if they would let him marry their 14 year old daughters *** printing out phony $3 and $4 bills *** speaking with the dead *** being anointed by demons impersonating the dead *** setting up an anti bank and when people want their money you move out of state *** destroying a printing press that prints things you don't like and the building itself *** sticking your head in a hat to translate gold plates from a language that doesn't exist, by looking at seer stones Etc. What did Christ say? "Woe to those who call evil good."

[@chrishumphries7489]

@@estherlewis7458 I haven't rearranged any Bible verses. In-fact, I gave them in order. "They" are Church members who are teaching there is no resurrection, but yet are participating in an ordinance that is specific for the resurrection. Luke 16:26 is describing the "great gulf" between the wicked and the righteous spirits after this life. In this story all three are dead (the rich man, Lazarus and Abraham). The wicked rich man cries out for relief to Lazarus and Abraham and that they could come to him or him to them. But they say they cannot, because there is a great gulf and one cannot pass to the other side. This "great gulf" was finally bridged by the Savior, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water" (1 Peter 3:18-20). During His 3 day period of death, the Savior went and bridged the gap between prison (Hell/Shoel) and paradise. He proclaimed his victory over the grave and organized missionary work in the next life, "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." God is and has to be fair, loving, just and merciful. All of us will be judged according to the light and knowledge we had available to us in life. We will also be judged by our thoughts, actions, words, deeds, etc. in life. This is true. But there are many who would have accepted the gospel if they had only known and understood. The Book of Mormon teaches, "For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed. Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world" (Alma 34:32-34). Our spirits and personalities and desires won't suddenly change just because we are dead. "It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Hebrews 9:27). Yes, that is the plan of God. We cannot assume that we'll have all the chance we want to make it into the Kingdom of God. We cannot assume that we can live however we desire, and then suddenly want to change. That doesn't happen. This is what the scripture teaches, and the Book of Mormon affirms this. But be careful with the translation you are providing, else I might ask, what about The widow of Zarephath’s son (1 Kings 17:17-24), The Shunammite woman’s son (2 Kings 4:18-37), The man raised out of Elisha’s grave (2 Kings 13:20-21), The widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:11-17), Jairus’ daughter (Luke 8:40-56), Lazarus of Bethany (John 11), Tabitha (Acts 9:36-43) and Eutychus (Acts 20:7-12). All of these died not once, but twice. Is the scripture broken? We do emphatically believe that Christ is God. "To the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God" (Book of Mormon Title page); "that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God" (2 Nephi 26:12); "rejoice and give praise unto their everlasting God, their rock and their salvation" (1 Nephi 15:15); "His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (2 Nephi 19:6); "Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole dearth, and have been slain for the sins of the world" (3 Nephi 11:14). Is there any question we believe that Christ is the great Jehovah? The God of Israel, God the Son, the Savior and Redeemer?

[@ostomatemark72]

I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I LOVE Nauvoo and Carthage!! When I went to the Carthage Jail and sat in that room where Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum were will killed. I could feel the Spirit so strongly!! It further bore testimony to my soul that Joseph Smith was truly a Prophet of God, who was called to restore The Full Gospel of Jesus Christ back to the earth, with the Priesthood and the Sealing power. He restored Temples back to the earth, so that the gathering of Israel could take place in preparation for Jesus Christ's Second Coming. I just discovered your videos a couple of days ago, and I am so grateful that you (a fellow Christian) are taking the time to learn about my Faith Community as Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You are doing it in such a respectful way. As you have questions, I would ask you to first pray for answers and then also to reach out to the Missionaries. Our daughter served her mission in the Mid-west in Indianapolis, Indiana. She and her husband also lived in Burlington, Iowa for 2 years which happens to be in The Nauvoo Stake. While visiting her several times, we had the opportunity to visit Nauvoo and Carthage. As a Temple recommend holder from our Church, I had the opportunity to go with my daughter one evening after closing to the Nauvoo Temple to help clean it. What a spiritual experience that was!!

[@slowhypno]

Bro Jeff. We have many members who wear crosses and we fully understand the significance of the cross but we focus more on the resurrection. We don’t look to a dying Christ but have hope in a living Christ. One important reason for the ordinances of the temple is to address the conversation between Christ and Nicodemas that said all people need to be born of the water and the spirit. By those proxy baptisms you spoke of and the other ordinances of the temple we are the only Christian church today trying to do that work for the billions of people who have lived and died without even hearing of our Savior. It does take more than remembering the cross. It takes loving all mankind. Even those who have not enjoyed a relationship with The Christ. Love what you are doing and love you for bringing people to Christ. That is what we are doing except we are trying on both sides of the veil.

[@parkerkaufman2754]

Hello I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and one of the things that struck me was when Jeff a Christian pastor was talking about temples and how he believes we don’t need temples anymore because of Christ and the cross overcame the need for temples today. One thing I’d like to add to help with my understanding is yes Christ suffered for us and our sins and burdens that we can be forgiven because Christ is the mediator and his mercy extends to all. There are other reasons than just the saving of men our temples are there for sacred ordinances of the saving of souls both in earth and deceased, but they are also there so that we can have eternal families I mean doesn’t that sound amazing that even the veil of death cannot break the bonds of a family that they can be together even in the eternities and be resurrected. Anyways I am so glad you are on this journey to learn about my church it really warms my heart for someone really honestly wanting to learn about another religion that isn’t familiar to them and gain an understanding. I loved the points you made and I hope to learn more about what other Christians believe as well.

[@HelloSaints]

Thanks for the insight! This is helpful information.

[@germanslice]

@@HelloSaints Read what Paul said in Ephesians 3:1 15. "Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named." So the family exists down on the earth and also up in heaven. We don't teach that marriage is performed up in heaven for there are no marriages performed up in heaven. All marriages are performed down here on the earth either for time only (outside the temple) or for time and eternity in the temple down here on the earth to be sealed up in heaven, so the marriage sealing is done down here on the earth inside the temple and that's how its possible for families to exist in heaven without there being any marriages performed in heaven..

[@jlewis8145]

@@germanslice Jesus Divides Families Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ (Mat 10:34-36) The God of truth (Isa. 65:16) is the God of the Bible. Since truth divides, then Jesus would naturally divide his followers away from those who reject and hate God’s truth, even one’s natural family members. Remember, Jesus divides families: Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” (Luke 12:51-53) Jesus Came To Divide - NOT Bring Peace On Earth To be worthy of Jesus and eternal life, one must side with God’s truth even though it divides his own family.

[@germanslice]

@@jlewis8145 That scripture is to do with the division of families who are in the world and of the world who fight against the Saints of God. The plan of salvation don't just only exist just on THIS side of the veil only. For the gospel exists on both sides of the veil. Both with the living and also with the dead 2 Peter 3:18-19. For even Hell hath to empty out all her dead up for judgement Rev Chapter 18-22. That's why there's is a resurrection of the dead and different grades of salvation of glory for the dead to inherit. 'For in my Father's House are many mansions' Jesus taught. .So its not about just being saved, but its about which degree of glory do you want to inherit from God to be saved in..... For all the dead must be resurrected and brought out of hell to be brought up before God and judged according to their works. God judges us according to our works whether they be good or be evil because of all his holilness . And as Paul taught, the dead will inherit one of three kingdoms of glory in the resurrection. (inherit the kingdom of the sun, or moon or stars) 1 Cor 15:50-53) They will be judged and receive a reward according to their works that God will judge (Matthew Chapter 25)... (Eccl 12 last verse) God is a resurrected being who comes from the Kingdom of the Glory of the Sun. So hes a Sun God. That is what the parable of the talents was about. God rewards those who had increased their talents. Likewise those who obey God receive more light from him so they receive a more greater degree of light from God than others who are not as obedient....And this is why there are different degrees of salvation to inherit. For the Lord tells us in the scriptures. I will judge every one of you according to your ways, and according to your works according to the fruit of your thoughts. (Ezekiel) That hasn't changed how God will judge. The Family exists both down on earth and also up in heaven. Eccl 3:15-16. Paul knew the truth about the Family existing both on earth and also up in Heaven otherwise if there was no Families existing up in Heaven then there would be No Book of Life to be written into, No Book of Remembrance to bring before the Lord (Malachi Chapter 3) and no Resurrection of the Dead and no Becoming Joint Heirs with Christ and with the Father to inherit God's Kingdom to inherit all things that Father has and is that was promised to all the Faithful Saints which John saw in vision in Revelations when God showed John the saints destiny to inherit the eternal city of God.. And you do err if you think there can be no Families existing in heaven with God for All marriages are done for time only outside of the temple or done for time and eternity in the temple in the House of the Lord, for all marriages are performed down here on the earth. The marriages are not performed up in heaven, they are done down here on the earth..... When the Lord comes He will not ask how much you profess a belief in him instead he will ask both the righteous and also the wicked for an Accounting of their Works. He will go through a list of things with them. And he will say to the righteous who stand before him Íf ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, then ye have done it unto me. And to the wicked who had refused to do the things the Lord had asked the to do when the Lord said to them: 'Why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say?' He will say to the wicked: Íf ye have done it not unto one of these the least of these my brethren, then ye have NOT done it unto me. This is why the Latter-day Saints follow in the Savior footsteps to emulate his perfect example to do the things the Lord has asked them to do. That is why we teach the Principle of Personal Accountability to God in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@jlewis8145]

@@germanslice Where did Christ say that you needed to join the LDS church, believe the Book of Mormon is true, believe that there is salvation only in the LDS church, tithe to the LDS church, believe that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God, go through a worthiness interview, confess sins to a bishop get a temple recommend, go through a masonic Endowment Ceremony, learn secret, grips, signs, tokens, handshakes and passwords, baptize for the dead, wear temple garments, etc.. If you were truly following Jesus Christ, you wouldn't be a Latter day Saint. Religion make getting into heaven impossible. You will be judge on your works. Idolatry- worshiping a god from another planet. Blasphemy- saying Christ is a created being the brother of Lucifer. Lying- saying that you can become a god one day, etc., etc.. You should care about your own soul. Nothing is more important than where you spend eternity.

[@patricianoel7782]

Ethiopia has temples for worship. It has a holy of holies and arch of the covenant in each one. It was separated by a veil for only admittance of priests. I lived there for about 2 years as an educator. It was FASCINATING!

[@patricianoel7782]

Oh, they are Coptic Christians and wear beautiful crosses.

[@bentate889]

Thank you for your kindness and reverence for things that are new to you. I am playing catch-up with your content, but I love that this Nauvoo visit with its accompanying "sadness" is foundational to what you are learning. As a member of the church myself (75% "early pioneer ancestry" / 25% German LDS immigrants to SLC from 1900), understanding the traumatic stress experienced during these chapters and the early decades in Utah had added many contexts as I learn about my people. Growing up in the '80s and 90's I only knew a prosperous church that seemed to be "winning", wealthy, and super stable. The economics of this chapter Nauvoo chapter is staggering too. To receive pennies on the dollar and to be forced to abandon this amazing city after investing absolutely everything in may have been too much for me... I do feel like it has been healing to watch my people be able to re-purchase those sites and early artifacts so that proper tribute can be paid.

[@kristonmatthews3338]

Im LDS and thank you for seeing the sites for me! I hope to visit Nauvoo some day. I am so grateful the respect you show! Love your videos! Very informative!!

[@Longe]

I enjoyed your video as a fellow-Christian (non-LDS) who also has been studying LDS doctrine & history for decades. One thing that is not brought up at the Carthage jail tour is that Joseph fired a pistol at the mob who murdered Hyrum and was soon to kill him. I met with 4 different LDS elders a few months ago and none had ever heard that Joseph died with a gun in his hand. I sent them proof from the church website.

[@HelloSaints]

@Longe. I have definitely noticed there are two (and sometimes more) sides to every story in LDS history. Thanks for watching!

[@Drawn-by-Abundance]

Joseph Smith: American Prophet (narrated by the illustrious Gregory Peck!) shows the pistols m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKvHgmaOj55rY8U

[@KDawnn]

Most members of the LDS church don’t know their history and the ones who do usually leave. We are taught a very sugar coated version of it. Slowly the church is being strong armed into giving up more of our true history as the internet is slowly leaking it out and the LDS membership numbers are dropping.

[@lucybrenton149]

Let's also note that Joe Smith flashed the "no hope for the widow's son" Masonic sign of distress as he fell, hoping that the mob below, full of fellow Masons, would spare him. They did not.

[@kimballmanner7192]

Great video! You manifest your sincerity very well! I have a thought that will hopefully help abt our temple emphasis. One way of understanding our focus on temples is that Jesus is and always was the way to salvation. Even during the tabernacle and Mosaic times. God’s Spirit was never literally bound to the tabernacle, only symbolically. Just look at the many examples in the OT of the Spirit of God moving upon people who were not standing in the Holy of Holies. Thus we can hold to our bodies being the temple/tabernacle of God and also our symbolic temple worship. Which can be understood broadly as a symbolic teaching method for achieving just that - becoming a tabernacle of God’s Spirit through Christ alone. Which is what the tabernacle and temple was ALWAYS abt.

[@sjelittlebutloud]

Wow so much talk about crosses here in the comments, but what stood out more to me is that I agree about everything as you reflect about Christ and what he did for us being central and our coming to Him and our bodies being temples too. There was a big shift at the time of the atonement, yet the original purpose of the temple was to point people towards that upcoming atonement. The veil was then rent and things have changed. No longer does someone enter the prescence of God for us, while we wait outside. Through Christ and His atonement not only do we receive His Spirit in our body but we are now able to cross through that veil or separation to one day enter the prescence of God ourselves and live with Him. The current LDS temple ceremonies and ordinances are in part a way to symbolically teach and remember this concept. Thank you for your patience with us as we interact and learn from one another in your video explorations, each with their own unique perspective no matter what faith tradition they are coming from, and no matter how messy at times that interaction may be. I’m all for building bridges of love, respect, understanding and appreciation of how our unique faiths and people around the world reach out to God in our own diverse ways. After all, we are all His children and I’m sure He appreciates all of our reaching out to Him but also surely loves when we reach out to each other in love.

[@sheebabraganza1303]

Hi, I am a member of the church from India. We don't keep cross because we believe in resurrected Christ. The Atonement of Lord Jesus Christ is for each of one us, it's very personal, today what the Lord Jesus Christ wants from us is a humble heart and contrite spirit, and become as a little child, and follow Him completely and be with Him in our Heavenly Father's presence, and become joint heirs with HIM.

[@mariabradstreet3370]

Thank you brother,I almost did not watch your video,but then I decided to watch it a little,thinking my day was going to be ruined. But after watching it I am greatfull to the Lord Jesus Christ for Christians like you. You are trying to find the facts. I send you my love.The same love that you have for our Savior and Redeemer Jesus Christ. Hugs from a sister in Christ.

[@tophat802]

First off, I find your channel fascinating and very grateful you are speaking or learning about things from a curiosity perspective. I am looking forward to your future videos. Often times people do what you had mentioned in your first video and don't really want to open up and learn about new things (not just talking about the LDS church or religion, but all things in general). Second of all, just a small clarification on Joseph Smith. He did not start the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.. He restored the original church that Christ built when he was alive. The LDS church believes it is the same organization as it was when it was originally established by Christ with Him as the head along with the right keys and authority. Also, to be clear about the whole temple thought at the end of your video...There is a lot to it, but one of the main points is that "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (baptized). The question would be, what happens to anyone who isn't baptized on this earth and didn't get a chance to learn about Christ or any of that? This is what the Temple does. It gives that person the ability to have a baptism.

[@bryankeithr16]

Clarification, he did start the church of Latter Day Saints. Jesus Christ never left because the gospel never left…Gods word was always here, the Hebrew Bible and the Greek Bible. The church that Jesus built, that Paul talks about in all his writing is nothing like the Mormon church. Mormon church, takes from the Bible, freemasonry and Joseph smith created a new false church and gospel.

[@tophat802]

I appreciate your opinion and thank you for sharing it. That's why I said that the church believes what it believes, not that it is right or wrong, (even though it is what I believe to be true, but that isn't the point here), but it does believe that's there was an apostasy after all the apostles were killed or left the earth leaving only man to interpret what they think is right since the church was lost. Therefore there was a need to restore the church in the same form as Christ created while he was on the earth with apostles and a prophet. Again, this is what the church believes. You have your beliefs and I have mine which is awesome that we can even share with each other what we both believe.

[@bryankeithr16]

@@tophat802 I appreciate the dialogue, you are kind and I can see that you are a thoughtful person so before I reply to what you have said, I’d like to ask you a question or maybe a few. Why do you believe what you believe, why are you an LDS member and how did you become a member? What is your testimony of Jesus? Who is Jesus to you? How is Jesus God?

[@tophat802]

I know that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that He atoned for our sins and He lives today. He is perfect, without sin or blemish. That through Him, we are able to repent and return to live with our Heavenly Father. Without Christ, none of that would be possible. He loves us SO much along with our Heavenly Father that they put this plan together for us to come to this earth, learn and grow to return. Christ resurrected on the third day and testified of our Father in Heaven.....Christ's father....We are all sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father and made in His image. I have visited many different churches seeking the true gospel that is able to answer questions correctly. There are so many different thoughts and opinions out there on so many different topics: Is Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father different or the same? Do they have a body? Why are there so many churches on this world? Why are there so many different versions of the Bible that say different things? I could go on and on and list a million more questions that people debate about every day. The point is that in James 1:5 and in Moroni 10:3-5 (in the Book of Mormon) it says: Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints because I lacked wisdom and I asked God...my Heavenly Father, with an open heart (no matter the answer would be) if what I read in the Book of Mormon was true and if this was His church...the Church of Jesus Christ. I received the affirmative answer by the power of the Holy Ghost that it IS true. I felt nothing but love from my Father in Heaven. I couldn't deny it because I felt that I would be denying His love. Sorry that was a little long winded, but hopefully that answers your questions.

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@@bryankeithr16 for some reason the tag got dropped during my reply, but I did reply just in case you didn't see it.