Toscanini FORZA Overture

[@fedecastaldi]

la si può ascoltare anche un milione di volte, l'emozione che si prova è sempre immensa. grazie verdi, grazie toscanini

[@GaryValan]

For those of us whon't knw Italian, "you can listen to it a million times, the emotion you feel is always immense. thanks greens, thanks toscanini"

[@pierrewalter5324]

Davvero!

[@michaelcole6062]

I would say thanks Verdi not thanks greens

[@yumyumwhatzohai]

No one can dispute that Toscanini knew what Verdi wanted, since he knew him personally and played in the premier performances of some of his works. And Verdi always wanted his tempos rushed .

[@donmigueldecuenca]

Toscanini not only met Verdi, he knew him well, and Verdi admired him tremendously and appreciated how well he played this music.

[@albertofavero3250]

Potenza,precisione e al tempo stesso sensibilità e interpretazione immenso e unico Toscanini,dirigeva tutto a memoria senza lo spartito davanti a più di ottant'anni.

[@robertwilson123]

Arturo Toscanini was an in his time the world's brilliant and leading conductor. Always giving outstanding performances, precise, dynamic, exciting, powerful, melodic and pure Toscanini. Toscanini was a perfectionist, the NBC Symphony Orchestra was established for him in the US. He gave superb performances with the BBC Symphony orchestra at the Queen's Hall London before it was destroyed in WW2. All orchestral musicians always respected "the Maestro". He is almost never heard these days, his recordings never played... a very great pity. As a great follower of this outstanding conductor I should point out one great weakness. Almost all of the NBC Symphony Orchestra recordings were recorded in Studio 8 of the NBC facilities and this studio had a dead, dull accoustic which spoilt many great performances. His interpretations of Verdi, Rossini, Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner and Elgar shown his great skill.....precision and interpretation. He always conducted from memory and always had perfect timing and intonation. Look up and listen to his great recordings on KZbin, Rossini La Gazza Ladre (what power, great strings), William Tell, Brahms 4th, Beethoven's symphonies,.... All great recordings.

[@mirellatei7336]

Amato Toscanini, maestro ineguagliabile, grazie

[@iaraculonna]

Non vi è alcun dubbio che egli sia, senza alcuna ombra di dubbio, il più grande direttore d'orchestra della storia della musica.. Riposa in pace Arturo...e grazie.....

[@paolograndinetti7609]

Affermazione molto forte che non trova riscontro tra i veri specialisti della musica. Non per fare un classifica, ma solo per ricordare i coevi a Toscanini dobbiamo nominare Furtwängler, Celibidache,Karajan, Knappertsbusch e non solo questi. Io credo che il successo di Toscanini sia in parte dovuto a sue scelte di vita, ed anche alla sua bravura.

[@antoninomarullo8468]

Il più grande di tutti e mai superato

[@antoninomarullo8468]

il più GRANDE di tutti e mai superato l'unico che riesce a farti comprendere cosa sono le emozioni dal Paradiso all'Inferno, mentre tanti altri sono solo Purgatorio

[@adamwas]

You have to admire Toscanini...a true genius

[@jorgesanmartin8737]

Toscanini in his youth knew Verdi personally, no one undertand his music like him

[@XMarkxyz]

Not only knew, he played, the cello if I remember correcttly, directed by Verdi himself

[@brianfest8875]

WTF ! You'll never go to bed, without learning something new!

[@indranilpoddar7195]

Toscanini learnt his craft at Verdi’s altar…one reason people say why Toscanini never did any Bruckner is because there is no Adagio in Verdi!!! Simplistic to be sure…but interesting…

[@sergiokibizer8317]

​@@indranilpoddar7195in Verdi ci sono i molti movimenti lenti Il problema è che Toscaninin non li rispettava. Preferiva la Cavalcata delle Walkirie. La forza del destino ha un bellissimo lento cantabile, basta eseguirlo come previsto dall'autore. Bruchner puoi scordartelo.

[@danielafesti6728]

pazzesco inimitabile tutto senza spartito fedele al compositore fino allo spasimo-grandissimo ♥

[@joncheskin]

I love the way that for Toscanini, less is more. He barely glances at a section for a cue and they come in with perfect precision. Gestures are dead clear with no frills. He commands incredible attention and precision from the orchestra.

[@jhb134]

Jonathan - Yes, there is ALWAYS the precision from Arturo's NBC Symphony, of it's time. I've listened-to Toscanini's recordings for a considerable time ... and I find THIS version of "Forza del Destino" a bit TOO-fast, in it's opening bars. The very ending, also, is pushed to lengths, that I still find ... a bit more than what Verdi would call-for. I've listened-to Markevitch and a few others, in this Overture, and I think that others have FOUND this Overture, in a more-relaxed, more-cohesive interpretation. Of course, there's NO denying the extraordinary Toscanini/NBC DISCIPLINE in this performance, and we're always glad to have this video excerpt of the "Toscanini way", in it's great strengths, and (sometimes) deficiencies!!

[@lupash]

Toscanini's way is Verdi's way. Toscanini met Verdi, he knew what he had to do. How do you think any other conductor would know better than Toscanini? Specially a Russian conductor? Oh no.

[@eternalmariacallas2283]

2:36 YESSSSS!!!! The passion and AGONY!!!!!!!!! What a conductor!!!!!

[@postatility]

Toscanini absolutely LOOKED as a conductor should.Serious,dignified,in control.He started out playing the cellobut,as with Duke Ellinton,the orchestra was his instrument.Thank you so much for the posts.

[@joncheskin]

Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall sforzandos in a single bound, it's super-conductor!

[@cherubim4452]

Toscanini was a very intelligent conductor. Zubin Mehta said that an orchestra should be conducted as if it would be a single instrument. Toscanini mastered this task with perfection.

[@douglasmurphy9127]

right cherubim toscanini a titan amongst conductors

[@stefanofederici1304]

Chopen tetri stesse

[@luborkloda8903]

For me this style of conducting is obsolete. Sounds like MIDI from a computer. In 1944 it was something valuable but for me it doesn't sound natural. Orchestra players are under pressure. Opressed, enslaved and humilated. No much room for human creativity and positive energy left and this is a problem. I'm glad that this style of conducting doesn't have any chance today.

[@acloudonthebluestsky9687]

@@luborkloda8903you should see from 18th-19th century ppl's perspective. No one has that perfection he wants the most detail from all the instrumental

[@cappannonno]

@@luborkloda8903 what you say isn't correct at all. In symphonic (or opera music) the "human creativity" belongs only to the composer. The composer of "La Forza del Destino" is Giuseppe Verdi and Toscanini met him. These recordings are pieces of gold because from them we can presume how Verdi wanted them to sound. In the last years many conductors decided to stop following the "directives" of the composers in order to adapt the pieces to new music tastes. I'm not saying that this is not correct, I really don't know what is the best way to play these marterpieces today. What I know is that you cannot say that Toscanini's conduction "Opressed, enslaved and humilated" orchestra in a artistic sense (I know very well his rehearsal policy but It's different). And, especially, It is unfair to claim that that he gave "No much room for human creativity and positive energy left". It's simply not up to the musician. It's up to the conductor and his "connection" with the composer. That's it :) Of course for solo musicists is entirely another matter.

[@mariamoavro8811]

È difficile esprimere la potenza di questa, musica, contiene una, energia che me assume così se me lo consentite:ha la forza di resuscitare anche chi sta per lasciarci poiché questa mudica è racchiusa nel titolo medesimo :La Forza del Destino e Toscanini è un rigoroso Maestro. Grazie G. Verdi e grazie a Toscanini di cui l'Italia porterà sempre in alto la Terra della grande divina Musica. 🙏💙🎵

[@UmbertoMarilungo]

questa musica e questa direzione sono ... l'italia!!! onore a questi grandi uomini

[@cosimoepicoco7022]

Stupefacente! Sempre senza spartito

[@Chlrintruc]

The orchestra feared this man. He would torture those who made mistakes with words. But he is regardless one of the most greatest and most revered conductors of all time.

[@jivamoksha]

Toscanini is the best conductor ever lived in the modern times.Precise, Brilliant, powerful, and Sharply , really the best, extraordinary performance. 100%

[@shin-i-chikozima]

This footage is a historical treasure

[@KimmyMalfoy45]

i have so much respect for the musicians in this vid... i'm not so sure my fingers would move that fast. lol. brilliance by toscanini in holding that thing together!

[@woofie8647]

It's because he actually gives them a definite beat to play on.

[@endreszatmari2302]

@@woofie8647 And he gives them a definite beating if they don't play on the beat... :)

[@woofie8647]

@@endreszatmari2302 LOL!!

[@wilburscoot4621]

@@endreszatmari2302 couldnt agree more

[@richmondfred3864]

Oeuvre grandiose que mon père chantonnait en se rasant. J'ai fait un film pour le festival du film d'amour de Mons et sur la dernière scène où on voit une femme terrorisée courir entre les tombes du cimetière car elle a vu une amie mourir sur la tombe de son petit-fils j'ai mis cette intro. Ne pouvant reproduire ce document, o m'a joué cet air au synthé avec exactement le tempo imposé par le grand Toscanini qui a respecté la suite de Fibonacci dans les premières mesures et a conduit la suite "con furia". C'est la plus belle exécution que j'aie entendue. Merci Maestro et bravo à l'orchestre et ses techniciens. Franco

[@giuseppinascapparone3303]

Questa è la ...Forza...della musica di Verdi! Questa è la musica italiana!!!!! Grazie Immenso VERDI.

[@puglover90]

that's so fast!!! I played the 1st violin part, I would die!

[@Meira750]

Yeaa, well we Italians are a lively bunch!

[@maryvaillancourt1158]

Hahaha I know I can’t get over how fast those violins play

[@lunchmind]

It's also possible that the stopwatch ruled the recording sessions in those days.

[@lunchmind]

OH wait. this might be a concert performance,no?

[@kaynanLisboa]

Well, in fact, it is not THAT fast... but because of the age of the recording, and the material it was recorded on, they have to accelerate the playing a little bit, because the intonation tends to lower a bit with the time... not nowadays, witht the digital recordings thou. ;)

[@klbird]

Not too many movies were made of him conducting. Great vision of the man.

[@theo4u4me41]

BREATHTAKING !!! This is the first time I've seen TOSCANINI conducting... It is like taking a Masterclass in Music from the Great One himself... FASCINATING and so PASSIONATELY BRILLIANT...

[@johndominick8825]

WOW! It was unbelievable! Forza is still one of my favorite overtures. A bit fast for strings at the end but BOY...did I loooove it!!

[@catmaggedon1253]

Precise. Precision is so perfect. Thank You Maestro 🥹♥️♥️♥️.

[@JosephSamuel1948]

There will never be another Toscanini Those broadcasts I remember those as a child riding in the car and listen to the genius a few were on television eventually also when my mother cried when he died

[@davemiller7633]

My late father and I often discussed whether or not one person can truly change the world. Arturo Toscanini did. RIP

[@tenore8]

Che Forza! Bravissimi.

[@MaestroVNG]

Many times before I saw this video conducted by Toscanini I was informed that my tempo is too fast. Some of my collegues-conductors tald me that my interpretation of musical pieces are close to those in past. When I saw this Video I believed into this statements of my collegues. My version of this Overture is close 90% to the Toscanini Version.

[@alaingautier1056]

Oui le tempo est vif, rapide pour le dire autrement, juste ! par la perception innée et la direction sans ambages : clarté, franchise, netteté. Merveilleux Maestro. Une merveille.

[@nephelais]

Senza parole. Ineffabile

[@alaingautier1056]

Il connait tous les opéras par coeur. Chaque pupitre... il le voit, l'entend. J'avoue je le découvre sur ces documents. Emouvant au possible. God bless you !

[@johnruggeri843]

I am crying tears of joy and amazement.

[@ernestogasperini]

Con l'ouverture de La Forza del Destino, Verdi dimostra di non essere solo uno dei più grandi operisti della storia ma anche un compositore sinfonico straordinario

[@paulwellings-longmore1012]

Such an amazing combination of speed accuracy and passion. Nothing can compare to this.

[@davemiller7633]

Stunning. No words to describe it. Masterpiece of all art and civilizations. And....will never be again

[@MarconiJazz]

Caro Arturo, Li hai fatti correre! Awesome execution. My eyes can’t detach from his face and his hands. He was so charismatic and his hands movements are incredibly clear. Nothing to say, I just clap my hands 🙌

[@dyadic]

I would recommend you to watch the recording of one of Georg Szell's (kzbin.info/www/bejne/j53chqefbKeVebs ) rehearsals. Though true that Toscanini was a better conductor, it was often said that Szell's left hand was the most pure instrument of all on earth.

[@74umgrad]

As someone one said, "If you can't play it like that, you shouldn't play it all." Magnificent.

[@millonety123]

Mejor imposible! que grandisimo director!Perfecto!

[@zs6ysaka]

Quite outstanding and dramatic music than any other directors. It's really impressive.

[@Zva26]

@SteveAndrewLangford - I find his "Traviata" recording unmercifully too fast, but THIS is SO appropriate for "La Forza del Destino". They just don't perform this music like this anymore. It's a whirlwind of emotional turmoil, bursting with guts and drama. The musicians must have felt like they were driving the Indy 500! I doubt whether we'll ever hear it done like this again. Bravo, Maestro!

[@WilliamSilva-ml5nw]

Toscanini's conducting gives the music momentum!

[@--NTHR_DT--FAN]

The fact that this is 2021 nearly 2022 and im sitting hear only listening to this for the first time🧍‍♀

[@annamariafacchiano1688]

Gesto,preciso, imperioso, autorevole

[@davidb5818]

Great performance and interpretation.

[@stsuter]

simply , beautiful..i played verdi, in symphonic contest at the daytona beach music festival, a very prestigious competition..we left the judges in tears very special, and so very beautiful

[@woofie8647]

So good to see a conductor give the musicians an actual beat. These days it seems more about how "unique" their baton technique is.

[@ГалинаКонстант70лет]

Однажды, одолев крутую лестницу, зашёл Артуро Тосканини, и с этой минуты началась дружба, заставившая меня еще сильней и осознанней ,чем прежде, полюбить музыку, наслаждаться ею. С тех пор в течение ряда лет, я непременно присутствовал на его репетициях и всякий раз переживал заново ту страстную борьбу в которой выковывалось его мастерство - то самое , которое на публичных концертах представляется одновременно и волшебным, и простым. Стефан Цвейг. Вчерашний мир.

[@alaingautier1056]

L'orchestre comme un seul instrument ! Le maestro est un génie. Clarinet ! Merveilleux Toscanini... et ses orchestres

[@PabloMoralesDaal]

What I see in this video is a masterclass for conductors, where Toscanini shows what is right to do and what is not when is conducting . No doubts that he was a maestro and in this video his total control over the orchestra is cleared. With a minimun of energy he gets an inmense powerful sound. According tempi and tunes is the same in Karajan´s version (f minor)

[@skerpracso]

I think there is a strong possibility that this recording been slightly sped up. The pitch is nearly a semitone high, and also the movements have a rather unnatural twitch to them. I know that this was a common practice in recordings of this era as well. The tempo would still have been fairly quick but not quite as presto! I think this might account for the insane speed plus very high degree of accuracy!

[@Zva26]

I've never heard the "Forza" overture conducted this fast, but it's SO dramatic, so propulsive, so compelling. What a horrible pity the great maestro never recorded the opera complete. He could have had Milanov, Tucker, Warren, Pinza, etc. What a recording THAT would have been! A complete Toscanini "La Forza del Destino"! The thought of it makes my soul quake.

[@bodikins]

Toscanini trained Pinza.

[@austin0031]

After hearing this, I'm not really able to listen to this overture at any other than these tempos. And considering Toscanini's background, he should be universally recognized as having the most authentic interpretation of Verdi's music.

[@jivamoksha]

Toscanini es the best conductor ever, He was, powerful, precise, disciplined, no mistakes, really sharply, With Toscanini really we learned to appreciate the meaning of Classical Music. My Father said Tosacanini was the best and really is truth. He knew how to explote the resources of the Orchestra.The Great Master Arturo Toscanini.

[@swimmad456]

This is the man chosen by his peers to conduct the music at Verdi's funeral. I think we can class the the performance as "authentic".

[@ditogam]

MAGNIFICENT!, MAGIC!! Thank you very much Pastroni for posting and 65attila for sending me this Amazing recording!

[@dimitrisorzieri7324]

Ne hi sentite altre versioni più lente ma questa rimane la migliore

[@jimmychoo1857]

Even with video.. No words!

[@granbranfan]

Beautiful music....thanks for posting.

[@LyubomirIko]

He is a legend, but those recordings are also with so distinctive sound!

[@vannap6705]

La MUSICA che inebria!!! Evviva i GRANDI

[@RWBHere]

amagnificent. Thank-you for uploading this recording. 🙂

[@dyadic]

This is an extract of Toscanini's Internationale. If you want to listen the entire overture without any speech interfiering, you can further research on the mentioned concert/work and your desires will be met.

[@prof.detroialuigi3966]

Italian genius forever! the 4 greatest on the world: Toscanini, Paganini, Corelli, Claudio Villa for the romance song.

[@snapfinger1]

Everything during war time was orchestrated with this kind of precision & sense of urgency.

[@mariangelacaronia7462]

Magico. La sua bacchetta sembra, di volta in volta, prender forma di archetto, clarietto, flauto, tromba, oboe, corni e tamburi. In un solo suo sguardo si concentra e irradia un'intera 'foresta' strumentale, tutte le forme della luce e delle ombre, dei suoni e dei sussurri, i venti e le brezze, nascono e tacciono col più invisibile dei suoi gesti. Inarrivabile

[@道-p2e]

Wow!!!❤👍👍❗ Just superb...

[@johnruggeri843]

prejcush Verdi took Toscanini to task about a dynamic marking. Verdi said that AT did not play a note or phrase was loud enough, AT showed Verdi the score and Verdi said I did write the soft marking figuring no one was going to play it that softy. There was no fight and Toscanini knew how to read a musical score,

[@МарияГлиэр]

Маэстро Артуро Тосканини спасибо вам огромное за оперу Мефистофель где вы дирижировали с участием великих Энерико Карузо и Федора Ивановича Шаляпина жалко что нету записи с этих спектаклей в Ласкало

[@yaelpalombo4093]

Sublime Maestro,

[@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657]

Toscanini senti a música de uma forma muito incrivel, descanse em Paz Toscanini

[@666fred313]

I agree with you 100%, I never saw him conduct in person, but my neighbors wife would go to New York just for his rehersahals.

[@missmusicgirl0511]

Dang.... I'm listening while reading along with my music, and i can't help but think how much faster and with more precision they play everything!!

[@VIAREGGIO1960]

TOSCANINI: UN GENIO DELLA MUSICA!

[@jivamoksha]

Nunca he escuchado mejor interpretacion de esta pieza que Toscanini, Poderoso, Brillante, preciso. Sharply, fast, El sabia darle el toque maestro a las piezas musicales, Dificil que pudiera existir otro como Toscanini, Karajan, Stokowsky, Maazel o Muti, Furtwlangler muy buenos pero como Toscanini ninguno.

[@ellenbacklin]

My mom used to have recordings of his conducting and you can clearly hear him humming in the background 😊

[@paulostroff99]

Beautiful!

[@rosannauras8798]

È il primo direttore che ho conosciuto è diventato il mio mito

[@valdengo1]

...same old Toscanini.....as usual, matchless perfection...these notes will never be played like this again....Toscanini belongs to the ages......

[@Swedanyrl]

The composer is Verdi, and its the Ouverture of La Forza del Destino. Wonderful interpretation!

[@robertosensoni8936]

Verdi è grandissimo. Toscanini immenso....

[@65attila]

@MartinPadderborn Thank you for your insighful post. After this performance most other versions sound a bit thick. BTW - Late in life AT liked to watch boxing matches on TV shouting "vergonias" and "stupidos" at the poor fighters as though they were playing musically badly Regards-John

[@RE55]

Toscanini.. One sharp dude. He caught Verdi's idea, and did something to this beautiful piece of music which resulted in a 6 min. clip that was, is, and always will be so incredible. Simply amazing.

[@fisk7aal]

What masterfull conducting... The brass section has a perfect balance between high and low. The attacks of the begining are so perfect that it all most scares me. The melancholi from the clarinet, and the eavil wawes from the strings right under. Verdi did a master piece.

[@nafamusic]

Itv was a 16mm movie they got the tape from. the film runs at 24 fps, the Video on 25 fps, that explains the semitone sharp. It still is the greatest Verdi Overture ever conducted. Nobody could and can match Toscanini's musical approach to Verdi's music. This is the real source for inspiration.

[@nidabarboraeinikyte1005]

That's so fast for the 1st violins... And they play sooo clean

[@Ronnie1027]

i have played this song with the SC Youth Philharmonic. I love it and i'm about to play it for allstate. we didn't take it so fast. i wish we wil for allstate i love the piece. very well written

[@aldofontana6122]

Musica do infinito.

[@andreaklettke2878]

Legendary!

[@Olovlig]

I love his energy, presence, eye contact and listening

[@vincenzolucchesi9503]

Grande Arturo Toscanini

[@judahis1]

Wonderful "degrees of separation: My violin teacher was Andrew Galos, who was a student of Mischakoff (concert master with NCC/Toscanini, and Mischakoff a student of Leopole Aurer, who taught Misha Elman, Efrem Zimbalist, Jasha Heifetz, Tosha Seidel, Nathan Milstein, Miron Poliakin, and on & on......... I had alesson from Mishcakoff and he said I was a good violinist. I guess I was ready for heaven then.

[@violingirl2]

Obsessed with this!

[@LiliaAnauSmith]

Toscanini meu Amor !!!!

[@ioncrisu6861]

Bravo, Toscanini !!!

[@ErikaRagazzi]

Very very nice.

[@giuseppegiuseppe5875]

Quando hai le lasagne a tavola che ti aspettano!!!!

[@DERFNAM72]

Impressionante. Chi osa avere dubbi sulla grandezza di Toscanini non sà cosa significhi fare la musica!

[@atrebil71]

Ecco l'eleganza nel dirigere.