Pathfinder Planar Guide: Outer Sphere - The Heavens

[@briegroncal1551]

I am ready to learn even more!!! Left 5e, and this world makes it worth it

[@ninthplane8413]

Left 5e also! Already knew about the Pathfinder setting from the Owlcat games. I like it better than any D&D setting. This is the BEST channel for lore.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Awww! Thanks guys!

[@LeWebslinger]

Same boat

[@JamesAdams-nd1td]

This is the first time I’ve really come across the idea that in the Pathfinder cosmology, people loose all memory in the afterlife. I can’t say as that I care for that-except for the Foo Creatures. For then, that idea works; it fits with my admittedly limited understanding of Buddhist ideas of reincarnation, and it’s fitting for the souls who have abandoned even their humanoid appearances. It also makes them unique. Personally, in my homebrew settings I’d say that everyone other than the Foo get to keep most of their memory at least for a time. There would be some psychic/emotional distance to the memories, but the petitioners would broadly be able to remember who they were, be able to recognize loved ones, and keep their overarching personalities. Though they could still be subject to change after centuries or millennia. That’s just me though.

[@nicholaswrixon-wood3148]

I'm currently running a campaign set in Golarion for my group and your videos have been a massive boon. Thank you for putting out this content and all your hard work! You're the most digestible pathfinder lore resource I've found and I've already watched most of your videos two to three times to take notes haha

[@TheMythKeeper]

Thank you so much sir!

[@SeanSpeer]

Heaven sounds like a DMV, but beautiful.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Haha! It is!

[@andyknightwarden9746]

I would pin that on Axis more than heaven.

[@jasonmcintosh3661]

I've been playing Pathfinder from the beginning and have to say that your videos are wonderful. I love the way you bring the lore together with the art and explain things concisely. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you.

[@wanderdragon1075]

Man what I wouldn’t give to be able to visit Cayden Cailean’s realm.

[@andyknightwarden9746]

I've heard rumors that he turns the entire ocean around the city into beer on certain holidays.

[@agsilverradio2225]

Interesting how they took some of the names of D&D's outer planes, and moved some of them arround. ... In the D&D world axis cosmology, *Eliseum* was NG and The Clockwork *Narvana* of Mechinus was LN

[@andyknightwarden9746]

Among the Azatas, my favorite type are the Ghaeles. After that are the Lillends and the Lyriaken.

[@TheMythKeeper]

I have a video coming out in the near future all about the Azatas

[@Jo-Heike]

Watched all your Pathfinder video and now I am waiting for part 2.

[@retroic3165]

Thank you for the video! Keep up the great work

[@fearrection4465]

Thank you for the info I use as a base for my homebrew.

[@cpt191021]

some cool stuff Pathfinder Universe is pretty awesome. Just getting into it reading my 2nd book

[@danmaertens7872]

Really helpful!

[@Dramon8888]

Maybe a weird question, but do you know if Iomedae is refereed as "the Queen of Heaven" anywhere? In the Wrath of the Righteous videogame The Hand of the Inheritor call her so (and, if I remember correctly, also mentions Aroden occupied that "position" before hand. I have to replay the game to be sure about that one though), but I never heard about that outside the videogame so I think it's Owlcat invention.

[@TheMythKeeper]

As far as I know that's not one of her common epithets, but her domain is located in Heaven, so I suppose one could call her that.

[@Dramon8888]

@@TheMythKeeper I figured, I just found it really weird since I never heard anything like that in the lore before. Though I guess it would make sense for Heaven to have a hierarchy since it's a lawful realm.

[@j0625]

❤

[@andresmarrero8666]

Overall I like these better than D&D's set because they feel more like proper afterlives or at least realms that exist on the other side of eternity. No case of residents suddenly turning murderous just because you are a living mortal and did an action not in alignment with the plane's alignment or not wanting to ever leave said plane dispite still being alive and thus shouldn't be there for particularly large stretches of time. Though I don't understand why heaven is lawful good when it should be fused with Nirvana as the neutral good celestial realm. I do miss not having the wild lands or mechanus equivalent here. I probably would combine the concepts of the two, a celestial realm of ideal and perfect wilderness existing harmoniously with incredibly advanced and otherworldly tech. Though knowing me it may end up as a realm within the neutral good plane.

[@TheMythKeeper]

Considering they were somewhat hamstrung by the rigidity of the alignment system they definitely got creative with the more good aligned planes.

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@TheMythKeeper they did a good job though I think that rigidity is partially an issue of perception. Chaos and order for example are descriptors of the same thing in the same manner that hot and cold as well as nightmares and dreams are. Boiled down there are ultimately three kinds of areas that you will end up in, the good places, the bad places, and the numerous realms that you would actually want to visit. Even the inner planes follows this unintentional grouping to an extent. A lot of the issues are inherited from Dungeons and Dragons which didn't handle the afterlife and the other side of eternity all that well.

[@RicardoPM777]

Nice!

[@RicardoPM777]

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[@flibbernodgets7018]

Where did you find info on Gorum's realm, the Clashing Shore? There wasn't anything on the wiki or AoNPRD that I could see (I don'tthink I own any planar source books, sadly). I also thought it was weird that he has a realm of perpetual combat in Elysium when there valkyries and einherjar in the Maelstrom... you know, the actual Chaotic Neutral realm that Chaotic Neutral deities like Gorum ought to feel at home in.

[@TheMythKeeper]

My sources are usually in the video description now, and yeah, its totally weird right? I kind of love it though. When you start reading up on Gorum he's not just a battle god - he's a God that would be pro-David in the David v Goliath situation. Any time you fight incredible odds, he's happy, so as a god of undergods, I guess he leans ever so slightly on the Good side of the spectrum. Not enough to shift his own alignment to CG, but good enough that he will make his own domain on the Elysian shores of the Maelstrom rather than in the Maelstrom itself. Kind of cool I think.

[@flibbernodgets7018]

​@@TheMythKeeper ah, yeah I don't check the description enough. Your explanation of Gorum's attitude and realm makes sense but it certainly wasn't what I expected. Sounds like there's a niche for a bit nastier brand of war god though, if someone felt like trying their luck with the Starstone.

[@elenorefangirl3389]

So does the spire in Axis have a torus-shaped city at its supposed peak?

[@TheMythKeeper]

That spire leads to the boneyard, and Pharasma's realm ;-)

[@BrotherVarz]

You’ve mentioned Dragons a lot, are you planning on a Dragon Lore Video?

[@TheMythKeeper]

Its not planned for yet, but if you want to know a little more about dragons I think I have some interesting stuff in my first or second video on the evil gods in the section about Dahak. But maybe I will - who knows! I crank through a lot of videos at the rate of a 1 a week and there's plenty to talk about on the subject of dragons.

[@JoshMannon]

​@@TheMythKeeper I would definitely like a video that goes into how the dragons have shaped and been shaped by life on Golarion.

[@TheMythKeeper]

@@JoshMannon I have a 'creature feature' series in development now. I'll go out the gates with a video on Giants but dragons shouldn't be too far away.

[@Pathsfound]

14:50 what source did you pull this fact from? It sounds an awful lot lake it's suggesting the other two people were sarenrae and desna

[@TheMythKeeper]

My source is in the description, but despite the image I picked I don’t know who the two people who found the innermost garden are.

[@JoshMannon]

So far as I can piece together, one of the others was the builder, as she did not build the garden herself. That does not exclude those two but I don't find it likely.

[@Ulitemyfyre]

I have never liked planes based on alignment