Pathfinder: WotR - The Treasure Of The Midnight Isles DLC Review

[@Morgan_Blackhand]

I really hope OwlCat makes expansions to the campaign in Rogue Trader instead of these side story/rogue-like DLCs.

[@GamerSerg74]

Now we need a video of your best builds for the DLC!

[@MerkinMuffly]

I only wish they would do a high level DLC that has more to do with the main story, a treasure hunt isn't really all that compelling a story.

[@MortismalGaming]

Purely speculation, but the rumors are more late game quests being added by the enhanced edition at the end of the month, outside of continuing through the ashes havent heard anything about dlc

[@silenceburns1336]

Looking forward to picking up Wrath soon, then finally getting around to Kingmaker. I backed the Kickstarter for Kingmaker at the collector's edition tier (and they sent me 2), but being a new dad became ultimately more important. I am sad I couldn't back Wrath. Going to back Rogue Trader for sure.

[@wideout7838]

What is rogue trader? Another owl cat games crpg?

[@rpscorp9457]

@@wideout7838 the newest one in development.

[@wuthering20]

Thanks for the early review. From the sound of it, the way it plays out is just like Beneath the Stolen Lands, which takes multiple runs to beat the final boss. Don't think I will spend that much time on this DLC, but it's great to spend another 10-20 hours, though.

[@androsforever500]

Finished my first (and probably last) run on core difficulty, main character was a dhampir spawn slayer, followed by a half-orc steelblood bloodrager, a halfling skald, a human kineticist, a dhampir dirge bard and a human slayer. Had my steelblood tanking most of the time while my slayers shot everything along my water and earth kineticist and the skald + bard buffed everyone.

[@marklion250]

Oh, wow! I've been waiting for this. Thanks for the review. I will be trying this DLC in the main campaign. So glad that WotR is receiving such a great addition. Can't wait to see what will they come up with in the second season

[@Baraz_Red]

The decision that I find difficult is whether to play this DLC in my main playthrough (I am at the very start of Act 3). On one side, I would get extra XP and items, but on the other side I would spend most probably over 20 hours (I am slow and turn-based) trying not to die (main party).

[@mitoryninja]

I am very looking forward for this roguelike mode. I hope they improved it from previous game: It was playable and I enjoyed it but it was't very rich.

[@daniel.holbrook]

This is the perfect sort of DLC to tide me over until enhanced edition comes out, I've been hankering to play the game a bit but don't wanna start a whole new campaign before that update. Not to mention playing with builds is always fun

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

do you know if they plan to fully voice act this game?

[@8556126]

It seems to me as if Owlcat is using this DLC to test and sound out their ideas for the Rogue Trader. I like this approach to be honest.

[@graceypatrick]

This game looks spectacular

[@Bellicosy]

I really hope the concept of roguelite portions makes more appearences within the crpg genre: more so than companions it is a relatively convenient means to allow players that are somewhat inexperienced within the genre experience various character and party archetypes without expending many hundreds of hours: aiding them to familiarise themselves more to the normally daunting genre.

[@shawngillogly6873]

Even if you play for the story, being able to make a character build that works for you. As opposed to a Neoseeker triple-dip monstrosity, is worth playing these for. Because once you know what works, you can recreate it much more easily in the Main Campaign. My one minor concern is that it already is so easy to hit level 20 in Wrath that I'm not sure how playing a side DLC makes sense in story terms. In Kingmaker, you needed the DLC, and thorough exploration, to reach lvl 20 before the final battle. And it usually was right before the final battle. Wrath you hit max level before Act 5 is done even if you're not a completionist. That is a minor discouragement when it comes to playing a super-long side mission. Though I guess it makes it safe to skip Blackwater and take a different quest. 😁

[@duyas1628]

Blackwater is not that bad, the real worst dungeon is Neno's optional dungeon with the puzzles that would take hours to solve without a guide.

[@walterkrueger5947]

This is perfect for trying out the mythic paths I can't bring myself to use in the main game.

[@graceypatrick]

It amazes me how developers come up with this stuff literally just mind blowing

[@loz9324]

Thanks Mortem!

[@CurtisDurden]

I was already sold on this, but when you explained the Mythic advancement mechanic, I was supersold. This gon be gud.

[@molliethomas2585]

Thanks for the review! I think I'll wait for Steams next big sale to get it, since I'm also eyeing Crusader Kings 3

[@tenzinalexander]

I am so glad I ran into this channel...

[@404cp]

The roguelike mode really really needs an option to export/import premade level 1 characters. You can spend more time in character creation every time you start a new run than actually playing the game.

[@GamerGrade]

Just what i was looking for, thanks!

[@DamianBloodkil]

First boss for me was a viking sounding guy with the Heavy Crossbow Evercold, proceeded to one shot my frontline cause it comes with Cluster Shot literally attached to the crossbow, can tell ya now i immediately nabbed a Ranger to use it on and it just carries the game now.

[@bigles025]

honestly, i hope for dlc that adds more companions like kingmaker...or story dlc for endgame(but not another insane dungeon)

[@IReallyDontKnowWhatToEnterHere]

Same, I preferred Varnhold's Lot much more to Beneath The Stolen Lands.

[@bigles025]

@@IReallyDontKnowWhatToEnterHere to be fair i was not the fan of that either, because i cant get invested in playing characters that are not mine main party...i liked the tiefling sisters dlc the most

[@IReallyDontKnowWhatToEnterHere]

​@@bigles025 Maegar Varn, Cephal and your own character didn't feel like a main party to you? I thought they were great. I only wished there were more interactions with your DLC character in the main campaign later, but I find the concept of creating a side hero for your main campaign very cool.

[@bigles025]

@@IReallyDontKnowWhatToEnterHere i liked it, its just my personal preference, i like it more when the dlc adds to the story of my main character

[@Nergalsama01]

Alright. Now to see when Owlcat will tell us more about the second round of DLCs. ;)

[@amateurpwn4182]

Can't wait to play this! My two favourite genres in one of my favourite games. Great review as always 👏

[@Terron29]

Gonna wait until enhanced edition and then jump back into this incredible game. Cant wait ti try out this dlc. It sounds nuts! Absolutely love the combat in pathfinder.

[@jeremylackey6587]

My favorite Tailwind so far has been the one that converts Arcane armor failure you ignore into extra spell damage. 3% damage for every 1% spell failure. It's either bugged or it takes the entire party into account, because my magic missiles were doing 50-60 damage each.

[@City-Hunter]

Kinda reminds me of Dragon's Dogma, when the chasm with multiple doors (and random fights) appears in the middle of the city...

[@Caesar_1415]

Yesss! I brought the season pass so I can't wait to try this out! I'm still on act 2 in WOTR so it will be a while before I dive into this!

[@Seelenverheizer]

Are the Kingmaker items finally back too? I need to build a claw of the bear god build with mythic levels.

[@SlanderedGaming]

Weird...I completed two runs of the Roguelite and didn't get any story developments. Probably just an issue with the version I had. Thanks for the review.

[@franklinxavierdixon2231]

Have either of you done swarm in rogue like? Is it solo like the main game?

[@MortismalGaming]

Yeah, not sure, hard to say with a press copy. The story advanced when I hit the major bosses (Star Rattle, Songbird, the Archpriest etc) which were at the ends of each quest phase

[@SlanderedGaming]

@@franklinxavierdixon2231 Thanks Morty. No Franklin I didn't try Swarm in the DLC. I would assume that it does require you to go solo.

[@snonyabeeswax]

looking forward to this dlc when i get around to it i like to hoover up sidequests before i move on so i might take a while

[@annmester2740]

Thanks for this. I was just about to start a new game but I think I will do the roguelike first to test a couple of builds out

[@divac7777]

This is sick. I love the combat in these games but hate exploring and reading story dialogue.

[@briankelly1240]

Opposite for me, love the story and exploring, don't like the combat. Let's take turns playing!

[@Zathurious]

Now, I just have to figure out where and when I can trigger the segment of this with my Commander.

[@EarlyRound]

Finally... We can now use some of the otherwise useless subclasses because there is something besides demons. Sweet!

[@Chessrook44]

One question. You said all Mythic Paths are unlocked to be chosen at level 3. Does that include late game paths like the Gold Dragon, or are you still restricted from picking them until Mythic Level 7?

[@MortismalGaming]

You dont get to pick them until Rank 8 like normal, they dont have any abilities for the earlier ranks so it wouldnt do you much good to pick them at rank 3

[@Laban6112]

I loved the campaign, but can't bring myself to play it again after 2 opposite alignment playthroughs, because I already saw like 90% of the game and spending potentially ~100 hours just to see mythic quests doesn't excite me. Trying out a million of build ideas is the real reason I even tried playing again, but stopped at act 2 each time, so this dlc is a life saver for me.

[@billc.8569]

Great review as always!!!

[@aaronnunavabizniz199]

How does the swarm stacking mechanics work on the roguelike mode?

[@cyrusvile6622]

This expansion is best described as grim dawn / titan quest meets pathfinder wotr

[@jepeman]

The mercenaries you find/rescue, are they premade or do you create them from scratch like your main character?

[@MortismalGaming]

You can create them

[@duyas1628]

Now we need a Call of the Wild type mod for classes not in the game. I loved BNTSL with that on.

[@Voxavs]

YAAAY! Finally this mode came out. Time to build some builds for real XD A question, enemies are random as well right? In the core game we fight demons and they are immune to electricity for example which made a number of classes and builds redundant. Does this have the same issue?

[@kryze7250]

Idk about other builds but for those having problems with the elemental resistances just pick the mythic feat Ascendant Element and you can use any element just fine as it will bypass resistances and immunity to the element you pick. You can also just add the feat through the toybox mod if you dont feel like wasting 1 mythic feat.

[@MortismalGaming]

Demons have a lot of resistances compared to most things, but yeah ascendant element with the mythic abilities is the way around them

[@kmg9763]

Great video. But, some things I'd like to know. Can you access the DLC within the main game? Do you use the Original Party? Also, if yes, how does the Mythical level works?

[@MortismalGaming]

I answered all of that in this video

[@kenny3179]

​@@MortismalGamingbro didnt watch the video lol

[@This.ability]

I've enjoyed all your videos on this game (and many others). Keep it up, MG 👍

[@Drakno2]

Once I unlock the abandoned warehouse what do I need to give to the dry fountains to progress?

[@Shindarah]

Finally the mode i bought the game for :D.

[@jonathanrodriguez6079]

oh snap...

[@asteroidmonger]

Been waiting for this to finally buy WoR.

[@clifcorcoran9917]

Very excited for this. Too bad I'm in the middle of a move and have no free time. Such is life I suppose.

[@iandevine3063]

Oh wow I didn't know beneath the stolen lands was bigger if u selected it from the main screen instead of go there on the map.

[@MortismalGaming]

Yeah its like 50 floors or something off the top of my head vs I think 15 in the main campaign

[@johnhobbes2268]

Was magic vestment and greater magic weapon nerved? It seems to no longer increase the enhancement of an item but replaces it. Or is it just buggy in my current playtrough?

[@iviay00]

Is layout of islands also generated or always pre-designed same location?

[@johnhobbes2268]

Is there a possibility to save gear for the next playthroughs? Is there any function to the second chest on the ship?

[@MortismalGaming]

You can sell stuff to the greedy chest and buy it on the next run, but thats about it

[@jamespark3510]

Great vid! one thing I have to note is your love for the kineticist class! LOL, do you ever get tired of them? haha

[@MortismalGaming]

Nah, if I want to do something more melee Ill usually go sword saint though

[@Tresh9555]

Do you think that is Better wait or play the game right now?

[@sarahohara5806]

This is the first DLC they released that is a mandatory buy for me. I played the randomized dungeon for Kingmaker a ton just to get a feel for different classes. And this one seems to be a whole lot more fleshed out than that. Also some cool patchnotes for 1.4. All animal companions with the Gore attack type now get a free trip attack which at least makes them competitors to the wolf and hound. And a big nerf to the Wolfscarred Face curse which used to be pretty much a boon for all characters who did melee. Now they get a 10% chance of spell failure which makes it much less of an easy pick for me and only viable if you focus on melee and keep your spells as a backup.

[@Voxavs]

I recently had a question pop up in my head, given how fast you complete content, do you actually play anything for fun or return to some games over time? Maybe some more open ended games like rimworld or stellaris or something?

[@clifcorcoran9917]

He's mentioned a few different places that he does play things for fun - they are mostly action RPGs like the Diablo franchise and he just does it to unwind and relax and so doesn't really review those types of games.

[@benjaminwhite2049]

Looks great!

[@TheRetifox]

Hope we will see more DLC that adds to the base games. Beneath the Stolen Lands in Kingmaker was nice, but anything then that, was honestly rest of those small side stories were underwhelming.

[@erikskoog8415]

Good show sir

[@CountElectric]

Sounds a bit like Slay the Spire meets WotR. Reasonable idea for replayability.

[@VainToxicity]

IIRC: In Kingmaker, if you started in the dungeon and lived, you could import the character over to the main campaign to start a new main story with it. Is this ( still(?) ) the case in WotR?

[@scottmccool7242]

Any thought on the items/loot?

[@MortismalGaming]

They added some set items which is probably the most interesting overall

[@Haristoteles]

Hyped!

[@alexpoobum]

i havent finished kingmaker or wrath, no where near finishing. Is it worth getting this because i love dnd games and their combat or should i finish wrath first?

[@MortismalGaming]

You can play this in the main story of wrath, so you can just do both

[@franklinxavierdixon2231]

Is swarm solo in rogue like in the main game?

[@zyfryth]

Hey, Mortismal. Thanks for the review. I wanted to ask about the resting mechanic? Do we still have to deal with curruption, or is it different mechanic like supplies or something?

[@MortismalGaming]

Corruption on the islands, but some islands can clear corruption and you can rest in the port and it's cleared automatically at port

[@Dzugoslav]

Looks good. How smooth was your playthrough bug-wise? Pondering whether I should start right away or give it few weeks for patch updates.

[@MortismalGaming]

Outside of a few wonky doorways it was good

[@Dzugoslav]

@@MortismalGaming perfect, thank you for helping me wandering in wisdom good sir.

[@Enter_Paradox]

when does the EE edition come out for this game? and what would it likely have?

[@MortismalGaming]

Sept. 29th, details are a bit vague, but they'll be sharing more soon. Supposed to be additional late game mythic path stuff (devil, gold dragon etc) and controller support at least though

[@Arcling]

So main campaign version is rather short compared to how big rogue-like mode is? It looks good, will add a lot of replayability after finishing main campaign.

[@roeci6]

Does anybode know if there is going to be mutch improvements between now and the version releasing end of september (pc)?

[@MortismalGaming]

Should be one more patch dropping with the console version at least

[@tuvarkz]

How does the mythic path unlock affect the lategame paths and their abilities? What about Legend?

[@MortismalGaming]

Late game paths require rank 8 still, doesn't change their mechanics at all

[@t0lar]

So how does mythic path work? Is it just for one character? Or is it unlocked for all character in the party?

[@MortismalGaming]

Same way it works in the main campaign, you just unlock the ranks via the crystals

[@alexoelkers2292]

Awesome! Finally more content added to the main game. This is the kind of DLC content I generally prefer as it adds more content to subsequent play throughs. Even if in this case it is shorter version in the main game.

[@bakuiel1901]

Just wondering if you need to keep completing it over and over again to get the true ending like in Beneath the Stolen Lands

[@rafasr0]

You find One Piece at the end?

[@Mildriot]

Beneath the Stolen Lands was what made me paly Kingmaker more since the campaign and kingdom management wasn't my cup of tea, I was hoping this was in base game of WOTR or DLC 1, better late than never I guess.

[@Rezuvious]

I tried it a little, made a character got a companion and went to the first stop, It was disappointing, every encounter was a single imp that cant hurt you. It's been awhile but I'm pretty sure in BTSL every encounter was 3-4 enemies at minimum.

[@kaidorade1317]

Anyone else first think that Mortym’s into music is saying “Mortismal Gaming” and find themselves singing it out loud with every upload? No? Just me then? Ok

[@eugenekhoo990]

I'm still not clear here. What exactly do you "carry over" when you end your run in this rogue-like? In Kingmaker DLC, the equipment shop changes for new runs based on how deep your previous run were.

[@MortismalGaming]

One shop changes, another has every unique item you've found so far on each run for sale. Rewards from the islands can also apply to your next characters, and the quest progress carries over. As you hit new phases more things unlock at port and on the ship.

[@eugenekhoo990]

@@MortismalGaming Cool thanks. I just died on my first run on the third island to a very angry monitor lizard thing which killed my entire party solo. Best death ever

[@Mystra]

@@MortismalGaming Hopefully you can answer. Are you saying some items are imported on fresh runs if I completed the DLC on another? And if so, when does that happen and does it count if you did it in the main campaign? Or are they all just in shops not from import, then which shops is that?

[@Hkit-sv9mb]

can you keep the items, that you get in dlc, for the maingame ?

[@MortismalGaming]

No, but you can find them in the main campaign version of the DLC

[@KarlWinterling]

My feeling after looking at the "rules" of BTSL roguelite mode was that actually getting the Apocalypse Can Wait achievement could take you 25-50 hours depending on your speed at getting through fights and RNG luck. There were only around 10-20 unique "levels," though.

[@ernestyylaw309]

I was in chapter 3 already before DLC coming out. How to start the DLC in the old save or I need to restart the main campaign?

[@MortismalGaming]

Should start after I believe its 18 days in Chapter 3

[@ernestyylaw309]

@@MortismalGaming sorry but I am already past the 18 days in my saved game. Does it mean I have no way to kick start the DLC?

[@MortismalGaming]

@@ernestyylaw309 shouldn't matter, just pass some time and it should pop up

[@PandaStyle07]

Finally, I loved this DLC on kingmaker and it seems to be way better now, I feel like every CRPG should have a roguelike DLC or at least downloadable community made adventures. You can only play the same story so much until it becomes meaningless and you just wanna enjoy exploring making builds and the combat

[@dirtybasiccasual]

I don’t like the one-save-thing, but love the rogue-mode and dlc otherwise.

[@Dawnseeker_Ch]

When you call the game a rogue-lite (at least, my ears hear lite and not like), I'd like to ask a clarification on what you mean by rogue-lite vs rogue-like. I know there's a lot of opinions out there, but i tend to lean on 'like' meaning progress made on a run for the most part does not help your next run (FTL being one i'd consider a rogue-like), whereas when i hear 'lite' i think 'progress made this run will make the next run easier with permanent buffs for successive runs' (a la rogue legacy 1/2). Could you elaborate on your distinction if you haven't already?

[@MortismalGaming]

I use them pretty interchangeably, it reminds of the discussion around cRPG and whether it means computer or classic, its just semantics after a point. As long as people understand the information you're conveying its not that important

[@RaptorRed79]

I have one question about this DLC, and that is. What the heck is the Toothy Chest for ???. I can't seem to put anything into it, and there's on info online.

[@MortismalGaming]

Just a storage chest

[@RaptorRed79]

@@MortismalGaming Okay. But if that's the case then why will the game not allow me to put anything into it ??? Do I need more than one playthrough to use it? or is it the link between the dlc and the main story line for getting items across different characters?

[@bradveach2333]

I wonder why i wonder is it for wisdom

[@lucasorourke8759]

I couldn't select some of the mythic paths on rougelite mode does anyone know why?

[@MortismalGaming]

Main options are at rank 3, secondary options are at rank 8 (GD, Devil, StW, Legend)

[@matunusdonnerhammer3423]

Thanks for the review. I'm not too exciting about this DLC to be honest. I got the Season Pass and I'm happy about some subquests and items for the main campaign, sure, but I wont touch the roguelike mode with a 3m pole.

[@justin8865]

Have they added controller support yet or no?

[@MortismalGaming]

No thatll be when the console version drops next month

[@justin8865]

@@MortismalGaming sweet thank you

[@randomised1]

Can you bring the loot back to the main story line?

[@mightytoast2693]

If it works like in kingmaker, the standalone rougelike mode will be completely seperate with no loot brought over, but any loot you get from doing the dungeon in the actual campaign will, of course, stay yours.

[@majoraborne403]

I’m a sucker for rogue likes especially deck building rogue likes. There’s one for iOS and android called Pirates Outlaws. I’m getting those vibes from this a little.

[@Zubilir]

This isn't endless right?

[@ishtarianauthor949]

But what does the Toothy Chest do?

[@MortismalGaming]

Mostly just chest stuff

[@iandevine3063]

Wow owlcat has done great with these dlcs, imo. This looks amazing.

[@sugoblaster]

is this DLC actually endless or are there only 25 islands?

[@MortismalGaming]

Just the story part assuming you don't die is like 200 islands, and you can keep doing runs afterwards if you just want to see more.