Pathfinders Kill Team Review

[@michaelitskov]

honestly when i saw new pathfinders rules for the first time i thought it’s all over for recon teams of the greater good. but then i reread rules for several times and realised that this ruleset gives a lot of interesting synergies and cool abilities. this kill team now become definitely one of the hardest kill teams to manage but with some skill, patience and experience you can handle it and release mighty combos against your enemies. like, two drones good in range attacking FOUR times pro turning point? sounds awesome! with new recon dash and comms i can push my grenadier in a very first round straight forward to the enemy deploy zone! new bonded ploy is super powerful AND with accelerator drone we can pull some operatives shooting at the whole new level, especially for Blooded and Shas‘Ui who hit at 3+. So now i think pathfinders no weak but hard kill team. And that is kinda cool too because it’s always interesting to learn and manage something complicate that rewards you for this

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah, I think most people will still struggle with em but good horde teams will also wreck PF sadly

[@trentathawat6714]

Simply the best Kill Team game analysis out there! Thank you for your continuing contributions to the community.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah thanks, you're too kind 🥹

[@tgcacreative]

I really like the feel of the pathfinders rules now, more synergy plays required between drones and operatives. Feels like a really nice teamwork ruleset. Pathfinder players who relied on easy one-and-done tools now have to be more creative but there's still a lot of juice in those synergies it looks like. Vet guard and pathfinders became less 3 trick ponies and more actual teamwork it looks like which feels really cool and way less oppressive.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Kinda, I don't think PF have much game whereas Death Korp still play very well

[@tgcacreative]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Could be the case but it looks like a lot of players are just jumping ship from both these teams instead of looking at how they can make the new rulesets work haha?

[@Optix334]

@@tgcacreative The most vocal parts of the warhammer community play competitive unfortunately, so this is what they do. If something isn't immediately amazing, most will just abandon it because thinking is hard. Props to those who stick with the bad armies/teams - when they are truly bad. The much larger group of non-competitive players agree with you. Its not nearly as dire for pathfinders in most games as people online are saying.

[@Adunapheth]

Pathfinders are still very potent in most gallowdark maps, however they will have a hard time in Volkus aka heavy city

[@callsignsaint1377]

Building it out of my combat patrol box and honestly, I can’t wait to see what kind of things I can learn to do with these as this as this is my first time with any war game

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah nice, hope you have fun!

[@lorenzostupify]

Well, something I notice is how to play the synergy of the Group activation. You have to keep it close to a medic and performe 2 operatives shooting against one single target that you want to kill before activates that can perfome a lot of damage vs your units Basically, if you can Markerlight that enemy operative before using Group activation, you can shoot with 2 characters that perfom 4/5, which if you get 2, you can already leave it on -8, plus one extra operative that allows you to kill a Ork Boss Kommander that has 14hp, plus you can keep them together with Bonded so they receive accurate +1, so One dice pass automatically. And, if you leave one of those two operatives on range to get shot, because from one angle they can shoot at you, you can revive him with Medic! and leave it in 1hp and Free Dash If you want to go the extra mile, the passive of the drone operative can give free Saviour protocol, which you sacrifice a drone to save the life of that operative to perform the next turn the same play with 2 operatives to kill before he activates one

[@kendozero1861]

I did Remote Control combos where i torrented three phobos twice, while under the effects of Pulse Accelerator

[@ainohaste]

I was lucky to have kept my old T'au army, so I have probably 50 drones, and metal miniatures of rail and carbine pathfinders. I could make all possible members available

[@ForeverAbroad]

love the mvc3 spencer bionic arm reference

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

YESSSS

[@Top-Bun]

@@CanYouRollaCrit mans has good taste in GW game systems and fighting games. respect lmao

[@Coraxery]

So when do we get the Tau mix and match Kroot and Vespid kill team ala Inquisitorial Agents? lol, probably never

[@jackgebhardt2932]

It'll happen when we get a Nicassar Kill Team 😂

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

TAUQUISITION WHEN

[@BingusMcdingus57]

That would be so cool! Blades of Khaine style too!

[@38crippler]

​@@CanYouRollaCritethereal kill team when

[@ianhancock7112]

Press F for Pathfinders

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

F 😭

[@georgekingstone6364]

​@@CanYouRollaCrit They should put them at 3+ :)

[@ddavis221]

Either whoever they put in charge of transitioning this team is a secret Tau hater, or they think if they make this team awful then Tau players will buy the Vespid.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

If I squint hard enough, Vespid do look like PF

[@totallycarbon2106]

As a Tau player I was always going to buy the vespid anyway - they are new vespid! Like the kroot refresh! So all GW have managed to do is make me sad :(

[@leox.jaramillo3231]

I'll reserve judgment on Pathfinders till I play them, but i believe they will generally struggle, and straight up suck in gallowdark maps, where their toolkit is nearly useless. This was probably GW trying to nerf them from bogeymen to average, but (as usual) overcompensating. They probably will blow up a reckless opponent, but will be a high skill team very vulnerable to mistakes or misplays.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah losing markerlight guard is so rough

[@MichaelUlan]

The 40k box ,tau combat patrol should have everything you need

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oh, might be a bit overkill?

[@Bawss5]

I really hope that this is just an overcompensation that gets fixed in their promised rule changes. Take the boogeyman team down a few pegs and then slowly bring them back up again. I can only hope, as the aesthetic of the pathfinders and the tau in general has been my draw to the game for ages.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Hopefully buffed later ):

[@Bawss5]

A really simple buff would be to make it so that you aren't limited to only popping one or the other for Mont'ka or Kau'yon. Being able to pop both, one per turning point, would make them at least a thematic set-up recon + fire-and-maneuver one-two combo which would, while being very one trick pony, at least give them something of a style. I guess we'll have to see. Novitiates being playable softens the blow a little at least 😅

[@senti5468]

I managed to buy my Pathfinders at release and not play them once the whole edition. At least I got some really fun times out of my Gellerpox before they got nerfed into the ground.

[@neilbatterham8370]

The new ratling ability to free dash every time an enemy operative has finished activating will totally nulify marker lights right.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No as it's not during their own activation

[@ForeverAbroad]

Can the opponent shake off even more markerlight tokens with a counteract since its technically a separate activation? Or does it not count as an activation at all?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

No as it's not their activation (:

[@pyrosandro3958]

Hi, noob here and I'm trying to choose my first kill team. I did not understand why do you say that Drone controller can allow a drone to shoot, move and shoot again (12:00). Even if he gives a free action to the drone, if the drone just shot, he shouldn't be able to shoot again. What am I missing? Thanks

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Drone controller specifically allows it to (:

[@Hyperschark001]

I have seen in the app Pathfinder's only got 9 ones now? On the website it is still 11 but lastly updated around the time you did this video. Could you tell me anyhow if the 9 one on the app is wrong or have they really cut 2 operators? That would be such a hard nerf.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Should still be leader and 11 operatives for 12 total

[@Hyperschark001]

@@CanYouRollaCrit thanks for the fast answer =)

[@IgnacioGlezCllo]

My 11yo son is really torn between Kroot and Tau, but he’s looking the APL and wound stats and he’s concerned he’ll get obliterated in every game. Anyone got any tips, other than “choose a different squad”!?? TIA

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Imo I think Kroot are better. They are more flexible and better at playing the crit op

[@IgnacioGlezCllo]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks, I'll let him know, and watch your Kroot video with him; he has a soft spot for that squad, and loves the Krootox (which he uses to play compendium cadre mercenary)

[@LanceTietjens]

Question about Tau Pathfinder Grenadier and frag krak grenade equipment option. You stated that this operative would have "unlimited" frags and kraks through the course of the game. Could you explain to me how that works as the wording is a little hard to understand. I do believe that this works for a few other operatives in different kill teams as well? Thanks!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Those operatives can use those grenades throughout a game (:

[@danielbruneau8998]

Drones can now use cover, so maybe Recon drone + portable + take cover for a 2+ save?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah but then it kinda is stuck there forever

[@fredericthalheimer3811]

it make so less sence to remove flying from the drones. I had quite nice moves with the Gun or Recon Drone repositioning due to flying

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah, they get +2 move with drone controller but doesn't really make up for it

[@MercenaryQ]

This is the most dejected I've ever heard you. Rip path finders

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

They're gone 🥲

[@Anon-s8n]

I came here as a brand new Killteam play who was gifted the Tau Pathfinders team for Christmas. I am now very, very dejected. 😔 I better look for some more competitive teams I guess.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah, what KTs do you have?

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

Can anyone tell me if tokens for existing teams can be downloaded anywhere?, I can't find these.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

In the PDF rules

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks, if there is no file to download so I can print tokens, the rules will have to do. GW should make these tokens available as a download for everyone who already has teams.

[@Thoadin]

@@stevebarnett-f5opurple website type kill team token

[@losthero0]

Everytime T'au gets melee, it gets taken away. No more onager gauntlet, no fusion blades, to bonding knives, reduced farsights melee attacks. And then people meme we don't have melee. We had it, GW keeps taking it away because they know we would be too powerful.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Tbh, the predominantly shooty faction should be weak in melee

[@LanceTietjens]

So, confused. Wouldn't you only be able to field 10 Operatives if you brought a Recon D? Since they take up two slots, or am i misunderstanding GW language again? Thanks!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Leader and 11 operatives. With Recon Drone it would be leader and 10 operatives (:

[@LanceTietjens]

@@CanYouRollaCrit Ahh yes! Thanks!

[@solarupdraft]

Could you detail a little why GA2 is bad? I had thought that now counteract replaced overwatch that might be a strong option.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Nah, hard to setup unless you go max shas'la vs hordes which isn't great

[@Ben-kc9ye]

So if i want to play pathfinders just play Kasrkin instead, is that what you want James Workshop? Ranged factions are good if they are imperium? Would you guys let me play pathfinder minis with Kasrkin rules just to make me feel better?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Ah no PF models are too small and on 25mm bases vs Kasrkin

[@Ben-kc9ye]

@@CanYouRollaCrit haha ok that's fine!

[@fleas5237]

Can I roll a crit? What kind of question is that?! Of course I can roll a crit! Unless when it comes to plasma gun hazardous rolls...

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

The most crucial of times 👀

[@kylebrown6257]

I mean this very genuinely and hope I dont sound like a jerk, but i feel like you come across very negative in a lot of these videos youve been putting out the last few days, and I'm really trying to understand why. I haven't gotten to play the new edition yet, but it my understanding from reading the rules and most of the team rules that everything has been touched with the goal of balancing, and there should be a whole new meta. Hav you been able to play a bunch of games (10+) with any of these teams to get a grounded understanding, or are these rule analysis' based on comparison to last edition and not just this edition? I feel like im probably missing something here, and am struggling to understand. Thanks for all the work you do in this community, you've been a huge part of getting me fully on board with kill team through the last edition!

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I've been positive on most of my videos actually so unsure about this 🤔 It's both as PF are now far worse, understandbly so, but they've gone a bit too far this time

[@kylebrown6257]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I've maybe misunderstood, I'm not going to claim to have near the game knowledge/experience you do, and as I haven't been all the way through all the videos, maybe I've just gotten unlucky with the ones I have watched. Probably means I'll have to work harder with my favored teams lol Have you been able to get many games in? Does it feel like most of the teams should be able to settle into a healthy 45-55%?

[@videogameluv]

Pathfinders used to be bloated as hell. They just seemingly did everything. I am very happy that they arent obscene any more.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I'm fine with that too but I feel they went a little too far

[@chikumori5530]

GW really trying to force everyone to buy two boxes for each team for a year of play.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Pathfinders were always a 2 box team since release, technically they're more of a 1 box now

[@EvilBearSkirmish]

whoop

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yup 🥲

[@andanotherthing6687]

kill team pathfinders OOS, regular pathfinders - omg how cheap ? 10 figures, 3 weird drones - 2 rail rifles ? ive got shield and gun drones elsewhere.... even if they are a bit pants now, £24 a team is intriguing as I have other tau to mix in.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Oooh nice! Yeah that's a solid find to start playing

[@robertviscomi8199]

I was thinking of stepping into killteam. Are pathfinders that bad ?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah not good as a starting point imo

[@robertviscomi8199]

@@CanYouRollaCrit what would you reccomend. I will pull the aytan card if I have to

[@diegobrando3430]

MFW still no Phobos marines 😭

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Soon 👀

[@czairkolmoslink5952]

After watching this video I feel like Andy from toy story, I don't want to play with you anymore

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

BUZZ LIGHTYEAR MARINES

[@rosspowell4446]

The voice. It’s going.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

🥲🥲🥲

[@lukecullen7934]

Sorry no disrespect you said the drone names so quickly and your accent I couldnt really understand which drones should be able to build?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Recon, marker, gun

[@lukecullen7934]

@@CanYouRollaCrit thank you!

[@rosspowell4446]

Yeah sad face. They simplified the mechanism, but made the ability to do damage is waaay too dependant on layering up figures & drones & marker lights.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah it's really weird

[@r3dcoat397]

Thank you for neglecting your life to put these out

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

I just want to sleep 🥲

[@Error-zp5cp]

Drones dont have fly ? They are on fly bases ? Wtf ?

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

These drones were made for walking

[@Error-zp5cp]

@@CanYouRollaCrit I mean the Tau likes mechs, maybe it's a mech with stealthsuit legs ?

[@Ralai14]

They are not just bad, they are boring.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Yeah that's the worst part

[@heronvitor6886]

i think bonded is pretty broken. al their weapons have insane damage, 4/5. a guaranteed hit for every shot is just ridiculous. yeah, there is the 3 inch restriction, but that is nothing. this ploy is broken.

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

It's a normal auto retain, has to be within 3 of a non drone operative, and the other shots hit on 4s. It's fine

[@isaachunt6694]

Good riddance

[@CanYouRollaCrit]

Blooded are next 👀🤣