Searching for the PERFECT Minimalist Cycling Shoe

[@lswt6026]

KZbin is such a great place to find info on a niche within a niche within a niche

[@kopprev]

Russ, Admittedly, I am an old dude here (probably). My first pair of cycling shoes were Bata Bikers. They were wonderful minimalist shoes before such a term existed (late 1970's). One important difference: They had stiffeners in the pedal connection area of the shoe. I would love to see a minimalist shoe with such a stiffener. One other important detail: when I switched from clipless pedals back to flat pedals my knee pain disappeared. I'm convinced that being bound to pedals creates additional demands on knees that are not helpful, especially as one ages.

[@chrislowe3060]

Rob Kopp I also remember the Bata. I also owned a pair of Avocet shoes back in the 80s. My dream shoe is a wide toe box, low stack height shoe with a removable set of insoles. One insole would be a thin but relatively rigid material such as plastic or carbon fiber for use on the bike to prevent hot spots. The second set would be more like what you find in a regular shoe for use when walking. Problem I have is low stack height shoes are often too flexible for pedaling while shoes with stiffer soles tend to be too bulky.

[@ericdanielson4177]

Also had Bata Bikers back in the day. Paid less than $10 for a pair and they fit great into the toeclips of the time. Just canvas and rubber, with something stiffening inside the sole.

[@NelsonSherry]

Being clipped in can help or hurt with knee pain. With properly positioned cleats (often hard to achieve) they generally can help significantly. There are a very small minority of people that have a knee and or ankle structure that rotates the foot angle through the pedal stroke, that do best with rotational flexibility either through cleat float or flats that don't hold your shoe super well. If your flat pedals hold your shoe well AND solve your knee pain, your previous problem was almost surely cleat position in one axis or another, or cleats with too much float.

[@josephakendrick529]

Batas are great.

[@GeorgeDecker-n3l]

I loved my Bata Bikers.

[@josephloftusmedia]

I pretty much only wear Lem’s because of their toe boxes. I use the Primal 2s in summer, and the regular or waterproof Boulder Boot the rest of the year. Happy to see they made your top 2!

[@outbackwack368]

I would love to see Altra make a biking specific shoe. Most comfortable shoes I've ever worn.

[@Alistair_Spence]

Agreed. They're already so close. Just a few tweaks and they'd really have something.

[@jasondunlap9823]

Agree, I use the Altra escalante 2 road shoe, good upper mesh but a little soft on the sole. Honestly I'll buy another pair when my current shoe wears out. I've ridden one year with them at 4 rides a week and they are holding up really well

[@CanadianSledDog]

I use superiors for bikepacking and imo they're already perfect.

[@outbackwack368]

@@jasondunlap9823 Every Altra I've tried/owned have way too soft of an insole and I've upgrade all of them. With a more durable outer mesh and stiffer insole these would be excellent biking shoes.

[@ChuckNoctis]

Altras are allready top notch. No need for tweaks.

[@guycampbell5285]

Thank you Russ. I liked the idea of cycling specific "touring shoes" that used to be minimal, but as you mentioned, they were too narrow/had a tight toe box.

[@multipleman4870]

I've been using the lighter duty Astral TR1 mesh on the bike this summer and I've been pretty happy with it. It makes a great non technical warm weather riding shoe imho. Very lightweight, comfy, great ventilation, decent support, and the quick drying nature of the shoe comes in very handy. In warm weather, I can wash the shoe in the evening and it'll be completely dry by the morning. And if your socks aren't dry, they will be in a few miles of riding as well! The soles have held up well paired with OneUp composite pedals and provide good traction while hike a biking. The light duty mesh doesn't stand up well to thorns and limited toe box protection on the mesh version means it's not great if you're going to be riding a lot of technical single track. The one feature I'm a bit ambivalent on are the water drain vents on the toe. Besides aiding in draining water and drying out the shoe, the airflow they provide makes a noticeable difference in keeping your feet cool. Which can be a pro or con depending on the temps. Unfortunately they also let in a lot of dust and dirt. Which can be a problem depending on where you're riding. I usually bring along some electrical tape and put a strip over those vents if I deem it necessary. I'm curious about the heavier duty TR1 Junction so I look forward to your long term review!

[@zepolekul]

On my flat pedals I wear Saucony jazz low. They come in multiple colors, cool retro look, very flexible and light, very little fabric overlay, made of suede and nylon which allows for breathability. I have this shoe in multiple colors and the tread on the bottom grips well with the metal knobs on the flat pedals.

[@sethgreenlund5065]

It's like this video was made for me! I mostly ride clipless, but when I'm on flats I find that my Xero HFS shoes are just not stiff enough and cause pressure points on longer rides. Now the unicorn I'm chasing is a casual looking SPD shoe with a wide toe box. My Googling has left me finding out that I'm apparently the only one that wants this :~). I just ordered a pair of Shimano SH-AM501 yesterday hoping they'll do the job. Thanks for the great video!

[@fwaefwefaf1964]

So how has it worked out? I'm looking for the exact same thing. A casual SPD shoe that doesn't strangle my feet.

[@sethgreenlund5065]

@@fwaefwefaf1964 Pretty good! They fit just like a skate shoe in the toe, but are incredibly stiff. I got them for touring, but am loving them for mtb as well. They are a DH shoe so I guess that makes sense. Since I've been riding with these I've also been made aware of the DZR Cove shoe. A bit more on the casual side and a bit better looking in my opinion, but I'm not disappointed with the Shimano's at all.

[@fwaefwefaf1964]

@@sethgreenlund5065 I'm glad it's working out for you! This past month I've been trying to find a pair of SPD shoes that would fit my unusually wide feet and I'm just about ready to give up. I've even tried out Lakes in their wider fitting sizes but they still don't have that "natural footshape". The toe box still tapers to a point like all the other cycling shoes, aggravating my big toe. I'll definitely give the AM501 a try. If that doesn't work out, I guess I'll have no choice but to use flat pedals with clips/straps.

[@CuriousMind_LVG]

I am 100% in the same camp as you Russ. I love my Merrell Vapor Glove and also Merrell Trail Glove. The latter works Ok with flats. Maybe you should start making shoes for people like us. I essentially want a Trail Glove with 5.10 soles. For now I'll stick to the 5.10s

[@philipcurry6863]

Woohoo Astral! Thanks for testing our kicks. glad you liked them, and I look forward to your extended use feedback.

[@davidrowe8747]

Russ, have you come across the Adidas/Five Ten Terrex Trail cross shoe? It fits the requirements you described, except for the zero drop. It is durable (sole and uppers), has a stiff midsole and flexible toe, sticky sole for pedal grip, dries quickly, and comes in low, mid and high versions. I think they are about £110-£120 for the various versions, so probably about $150-$170. Adidas designed them with exactly the thoughts that you described - tough and rigid enough for riding the trail, but also flexible and light enough for hiking and hike-a-bike. A lot of customer reviews say it's suitable as a do-it-all everyday wear kind of shoe. Check it out!

[@isilber1]

I love my pair! Comfortable on and off the bike.

[@Max-xl3ml]

I have a well worn set, hiked a 14er in them and have ridden for over a year in all sorts of terrain. Great for winter too lots of purchase in the wt. Compared to the minimalist shoes though it is heavy and that heal toe drop is significant. When it comes to a multi-use shoe that's a deal breaker for someone that runs with the forefoot.

[@treal512]

That is a good looking shoe. Too bad the drop is so high. I may still consider though!

[@matthewchristensen8901]

I'm currently wearing the Altra Grafton, one of their outdoor adventure lines. Seems to check all your boxes. I quite like them, and have been wearing minimalist shoes (mostly trail running) for a long time now.

[@jimbrannlund4677]

Wouldn't they be super warm in a MTB setting?

[@matthewchristensen8901]

@@jimbrannlund4677 No bad. I've worn them on desert trips in Utah and they seem to breathe quite well. They are leather.

[@WillEightFour]

Pearl Izumi X-Alp Flow Pop look interesting. Like a cross between a Five Ten and a sleek road shoe.

[@ceciliaeleon]

Thank you for this and the previous video about searching for a good minimalist cycling shoe. I live in the Pacific Northwest and I have been trying to find the best winter boot (some snow, but mostly rain weather) for cycling in this region, yet haven't been able to find a whole lot of content or reviews from other people that is comprehensive (other than some blogs where people will write one or two sentences). I'd love to watch more content pertaining to cycling shoes. You're channel is amazing!

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Have a vid on cycling boots soon!

[@WhatisHealth-q7l]

Inov8 with graphene soles. Lightweight, breathable, zero drop options and graphene non wearing lugged soles. The best grip of any trail runners I have owned.

[@dnewman4952]

Check out Topo, similar sort of shoe to Altra but I think the uppers are more of a solid build. Less flexible than full minimalist shoes.

[@toddpollock9234]

Long time Altra wearer. I run flats on my fat bike and wear Altra King MT. This model has a lower stack height.

[@scottfox6271]

Depth, is a key to my great appreciation of your work! Another great piece!

[@jeffb8331]

Thanks for the video. This is a great topic. I've been clipped in for thirty years, riding mostly in road shoes/pedals. It's been a real struggle with my gravel bike to find something that works with my high arches and tendency for hot spots and numb toes with spd shoes. I wanted to go to flat pedals for touring but it has been a tough transition. I bought some Issi Thumps for the transition. I learned that I pull up a lot on climbs and at high rpm's and my feet were all over the place on these pedals so the transition will not be easy. I'm currently using an older version of the Pearl Izumi X-road Fuel v5 with a Specialized Body geometry inserts (which resolved the numb toes). The shoe weighs 377 gms including cleat and Specialized insert. This is 68 gms more than the reported weight of the Astral shoe. I also find them fine for walking around (not hiking). In practice I don't find I generally walk that far from my bike when touring but I still like the idea of going to flat pedals so I will keep trying. The criteria you developed mimic what I would look for so I look forward to the long term review.

[@grahammcneely1490]

Yes, yes, yes! So excited to see this video. I tore up my trail running shoes this spring and have been riding in Shamma sandals (pretty close to bedrocks) all summer. With the weather changing I’m looking for exactly what you’re describing to flat-pedal bike with. I may try out those astral shoes. Keep it coming, Russ. Great work!

[@AlienTrees]

I've been using Five Ten Freeriders for mountain biking and gravel riding for a few years now. Yes, they're heavy and overbuilt, but I like that about them. I only ride flat pedals (Kona Wah Wah 2) and the Five Ten rubber soles stick like glue.

[@justinhart7031]

Thanks for putting together this video Russ. I have been using the Xero Prio and really like them for cycling, walking and running. I have another pair of Xeros for teaching in and am considering getting their insulated boots for winter riding. Chrome has yet to make a shoe that actually works well, they are always super heavy in the sole, rigid and crazy narrow. Chrome waterproof riding boots are okay but not comfy. My wife loves the Astrals after she picked them up is Asheville a few years ago when they came out.

[@ehounshell]

my go-to shoe for urban riding at least: hi-top converse with superfeet insoles. sticks to pedals, comes in and out of clips easily (yeah i know that ain't your thing but i ride fixed a lot), protects your ankles, doesn't look weird. insoles add wonderful arch support that is lacking in converses. pro tip: wax them for waterproofness and greater warmth in the shoulder seasons! shitty for anything off road though :)

[@dovelove813]

Bedrocks are my favorite. Been wearing them since they only had the earthquake model. Perfect for rain and double as the most durable trail running shoe I have ever worn.

[@MelvinHughesatp]

All spring and summer I've been riding in Merrell Moab Ventilator shoes for two reasons. First, they are wide and supportive. Second, they are actually pretty well ventilated. The Vibram soles have held up well to metal-pinned, flat pedals. They aren't light! So I've been on the lookout for an alternative. Having paddled in Loyaks for several years, I'm familiar with Astral and the quality of their footwear. I just ordered a pair of the TR 1 Junctions. They appear to be lighter overall, less built-up than my trusty Merrell Moabs. We'll see. Thanks, Russ!

[@BarronFujimoto]

I just went on a 31-mile gravel ride wearing the Merrell Moab Ventilators and I was impressed. And by impressed, I mean I never once thought about them. Granted, I've hiked in them exclusively for a while now, so my feet are used to them, but they are comfortable (wide toe-box), breathable, and stable on my flats with pins. They are not too expensive, and since I can use them for hiking the South Rim at Big Bend as well as cruising the neighborhood on the bike, the are a nice multi-purpose solution and value. Yes, they are relatively heavy, but I don't have to worry about them breaking down any time soon.

[@Andrew-Andre]

Great topic Russ. I really enjoy Vans slip-ons as well as KEEN closed toe sandals on wide flat pedals. Lighter skateboard shoes are a good option for balancing weight, foot support, and comfort.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Sorry everyone. Apparently uploaded the unedited 20 minute version the first time.

[@kimkrimson]

No reason to be sorry. We thank you for the cool content you create :)

[@Anthropomorphic]

I've heard that minimalist shoes have a bit of a learning curve to them, that you have to give your feet time to get stronger to compensate for the lack of structure in the shoes. This video made me wonder if the best solution for many might be to not get activity-specific shoes, but rather to use the same shoes for everything, making sure to ease into it so your feet have time to adapt.

[@salad_gold_rancher]

I looked into and found a cleated "barefoot" cycling shoe. It's not exactly the same as a Vivobarefoot shoe, but it does have the wide toe box. I'm referring to Bont. I saw that Universal Cycles was a retail partner, so I waddled over to their Ankeny St. outlet. They did not have a pair. Boo. But that's all backstory to my question. In my quest to understand the foot coffins we wear willingly, I stumbled on a surprising insite. Walking, your foot is dynamic and barefoot shoes enhance the operation of the mechanical foot. Good stuff, better balance, less aches and pains. Whereas pedaling, your foot is perpetually in a mid stride shape. Having foot flexion is actually not desiree's, so this postulate goes. In fact it can have two negative outcomes; loss of joint alignment due to heel bob and foot / leg injuries due to excessive flexion / strain. Essential, it comes to injury prevention. So, what are your thoughts? Bear in mind I wear Vivobarefoot everyday at work, so I'm fully on board with the benefits of barefoot shoes.

[@milanb.6022]

"Having foot flexion is actually not desired" - Absolutely correct. This is why good bike fitters recommend stiff soled shoes + footbeds which actually support your arch while the foot is flat on the pedal.

[@salad_gold_rancher]

@@milanb.6022 I think a further extension to that is, the torpedo shoe is also somewhat desirable. Because this reduces the pancaking effect when pushing down. Taking into account that you shouldn't be squeezing into your Cinderella slippers. I really wish I could find my original source for this because it was a real "ah-ha" moment.

[@jimgourgoutis]

Keen used to make a line of shoes with a "CTX" sole -- I have two pairs of those that work really well on flat pedals.

[@bisti1900]

Everybody that loves wide toe boxes and cycling should try Camper Peu Pista, the tough weather version. They are a similar fit to the normal Peu but they have Gore Tex liner and the most important thing is that the sole is much thicker, with a grippier and tougher rubber compound and much more rigid. I find them perfect for flat pedals. Yes, unlike the normal Peu , they have a bit of drop but not too much.

[@debthomas1293]

I love my Inov8 F-Lite 195. I don't think you can buy them anymore but mine have held up for years. I ride in them all the time. The F-Lite G 230 is similar but has a 3mm drop. The Bare-XF 210 has 0 drop. They are flexible so might not work for everyone or on aggressive pins. By the way, I love your videos. I love bike riding but am non-competitive, for years I never felt like I fit in. Now I feel like there are other people like me.

[@Armin_27]

I use Skechers Elite Flex for my flat pedal Bikes. They have a wide toebox, are light and a sole that is stiff enough to transfer power, while also not wearing out too much with the pedals.They cost me aroud 65 bugs.

[@marcusjslee]

I've been looking forward to this one as I much prefer having the wide toe box of minimalist shoes. I do currently just wear skate shoes, I find them plenty light enough with good support underneath and usually with zero drop but just like you, I wish they had a wider toe box. When the weather's good (ha!) I've found Birkenstocks ok - nice and wide, the support at the arch is fine, heel & toe height is the same, if anything they're perhaps a little too stiff, also the sole's are getting a little ripped up from the pedal pins! I'm glad you enjoy the Lems as I've actually been eyeing up the Trailhead V2's, they seem like they'd be a perfect all activity shoe.

[@lancerturner79]

Love your bike nerd content. Thank you!

[@donhuber9131]

I'm currently using Shimano CT 47 touring shoes. I do not employ the SPD compatibility. Rather I use "old school" toe clips with straps left loose. Works for me, and the shoes are not particularly expensive. They seem quite durable and they are just fine for walking unrideable stretches of unmaintained road. They are not "torpedos!

[@jeffpedals]

I'm stuck on 510's.. pre Adidas merger. I like the sole stiffness & support for my supanating feet. I just wish they were lighter somehow.

[@Tomalahno]

Yes, my 510’s are like cement boots when they get wet on tour. They don’t air dry for a long time.

[@mojosdad68]

My only feed with these, the dry time.

[@tallartisthiker529]

thanks, great review. I've been cycling for a good 40 years years and wearing minimalist shoes for about 3 years now, but never thought to pair the two! I usually ride SPD pedals on my daily ride/commute bike and LOOK on my road bike and pointy shoes are terrible for me now. So.. I'm going to put some flat pedals on my commuter and wear my Lems to see what that's like. Thanks for the great ideas.

[@radercalisthenics]

Refreshing to see this video, thanks. I have worn minimalist shoes exclusively for many years and now if I put on a pair of "regular" shoes, even Chuck Taylor or Vans, my feet hurt pretty quickly. I ride about 120 miles/week (pre-COVID) work commuting, always in these shoes (no SPD). I love Lems and Vivobarefoot but wanted to tell you that in a quest for more "normal" looking minimalist shoes, there are some new brands that I like: Feelgrounds, SOM Footwear, MukiShoes, and Birchbury Bramfords. There are others popping up, a lot in Europe, so you have to keep your eyes open. I also like Groundies but haven't bought a pair yet.

[@Billlakeview]

My combo of xero and catalyst pedals have been my solution for some years now. The shoe flex is solved by the oversized pedal. Shoe life has been over a year and could be longer if you replace the inner sole before the outer sole starts to produce hot spots on my arthritic ankles/feet. Yearly mileage on the road bikes has been 6400+miles with Prio and Xtera being my only shoes here in my retirement.

[@danvee4523]

I really was thinking about trying this with my Vivos. Was curious if the catalyst pedal would solve the sole flex/ arch pain I somtimes get from barefoot shoes and flat pedals. Is this still your go-to set up?

[@Billlakeview]

@@danvee4523 Absolutely. I have been doing this combo for about 3 years.

[@dishwashersafe222]

This is helpful! I've been riding in vivobarefoot primus trail shoes. They're my go-to everyday shoe, but I found pedal spikes will completely destroy the soles in about 1000 mi, so I'm looking for more durable alternatives.

[@chrislowe3060]

What I want isn’t a shoe but rather an insole. I’d love a thin but somewhat stiff insole to pair with a minimalist shoe. My issue with many minimalist shoes is they’re too flexible and after a while the pins on my pedals start to create hot spots. A stiffer but thin insole would be perfect as you could remove it from the shoe when you’re not riding.

[@igorbonifacic424]

Check out a company called Superfeet. They make thin carbon soles for a reasonable amount of money.

[@danvee4523]

I always thought about doing this too. Have you tried it? Seems most compnies that make carbon insoles dont make them wide enough for barefoot shoes. Thought about trying to DIY it

[@marcharris3602]

Russ, i have been on this search also. My best solution: Carbon fiber insoles. They will stiffen up the shoes of your choice and can be removed when you are done riding

[@iecrime]

I don't know what truly makes a perfect biking shoe, but I'm not a fan of clipless shoes. I use hybrid pedals on my gravel bike and mtb in case once in a while I want to clip in. Otherwise, I use an altra lone peak 6 trail running shoe and they awesome! You should check them out. Wide toe box, light, have great traction, they dry fast if you get them wet, and by a country mile, they're the most comfortable shoes I've ever worn. Wear them all the time, not just for biking and hiking. The only thing for me, and this is to those who might also run on a treadmill, is my balance on a treadmill while running. I have always had good balance, but I use a traditional running shoe for treadmill exercise because my balance is shaky with the zero drop, especially at higher speeds.

[@eudesmatos6860]

Thanks and Recommended for all

[@LeslieDugger]

The loyak AC version is really good for hot weather. Perfect for cycling.

[@crimsondiesel9929]

I wear Chaco Odyssey’s on my flat pedal bikes. The closed toe is safer for cycling, the wide toe box and footbed distribute load effectively enough that I don’t notice hotspots on long rides. Not zero drop or minimalist although the thickness of the sole (which is pretty much a typical Chaco sole trimmed down) is what imparts the favorable load distribution. The arch support also isn’t as aggressive as your z1 or z cloud as well, I think of it as a happy medium between all the different variables

[@Azer_GG]

I come from trail running, Inov-8 G 270 with "graphene" outsoles are in my wish list, I hear they're super durable but also super expensive.

[@aaronblonden6774]

Still immensely impressed with the right amount of stiffness in lems trailhead v2. A bit wider then version one. Bottom is tough. I have pins on my mtb and composite for gravel and road. I was using xero models but now only use those or xero trail sandals for hot days. I did notice the calf pain but got more arch pain on shoes of that 3mm or less sole. I can feel my toes spread out and help put power through the pedals on any wider shoe or sandal and love it. Thanks for diving into this further!

[@johnwelch557]

I'm a casualty of narrow shoes. Six decades of riding (not racing) daily 20-50 miles and beyond have ruined my feet. Nerve removals, etc. We must wear wide a toe box, with a solid bottom and lots of insert soft pading. NO clipless pedals. I'm learning to walk normally without pain. Still have struggles.

[@nixternal]

If I'm just using flats, Keen's hiking style shoes are the best for me. If I want to go clipless, Bontrager has a new shoe called the Avert. Oh my, there is finally a cycling shoe that is pretty comfortable even for my big feet. Comfortable on & off the bike, and they don't look like a cycling shoe either. Love the desert color, matches my 920 :)

[@raquelj8547]

The video I’ve been looking for!

[@smithgrindrevert]

Just buy a pair of Vans. At least for the warm months, I think that we tend to over think this kind of stuff. I have been riding flat pedals with vans forever.

[@Max-xl3ml]

Minimal shoes make great camp shoes even if you don't wanna ride in them you can pack them really easy. I have trail gloves, standard vans (dead now too torn up from skateboarding), bmx pro vans, and the discontinued Adidas trail cross. The bmx vans are by far my favorite, lighter than my Adidas' but actually stiffer than the trail gloves. Five ten used to make a Danny MacAskill shoe which seemed like it was pretty minimal but RIP it no longer exists.

[@ericcalica7369]

I too have been trying to find the "perfect" flat pedal riding shoe. I have tried cushy running shoes and I have tried more sandal style shoes and I have tried more minimalist skater style shoes. I have settled on an older pair of Asics Gel Venture 4's. The sole is a bit hardier than a normal "running style" shoe. So, the traction pins on the pedals do not tear up the soles. They are light enough and have a breathable outer mesh design that I like. I also like the gel innards that offer some firm cushioning. I find that canvas outer style shoes make my feet too hot. So far, the Asics have really been terrific.

[@Aubreykun]

Thank you for the brief intro at the start so I know this isn't directed at me. I just wear USA-made New Balance running shoes. Lots of support and breathable. Pretty much the exact opposite of a minimalist shoe - but they fit my feet so well after wearing flexible (not minimalist, but softer) shoes before. I've never heard of most of the brands in the comments here. PS: Barefoot walking/running has no proven health/posture benefits over or under more traditional shoes - it's entirely up to preference and your unique physiology which side you slant towards for more benefit. PPS: Why comment? Metrics boost lol

[@tardigrada6000]

does it have to be cycling specific? what about feiyue?

[@urlauber2884]

Ok, so this is super late but whatever, Might help someone. I absolutely love the Vivobarefoot Primus Trail II (firm ground). They are barefoot trail runners, as the name suggests, so they're flexible, zero drop, blah blah blah. The flexibility is probably not for everyone, but other than that they're great. Super grippy on flats, upper and sole still hold up after 2 years of daily use and you don't feel the pins at all. The mesh upper does get wet and cold very fast though. Not an all weather shoe.

[@mstark77]

I do just about everything in my Chaco Z1 sandals. Yes, your toes are exposed, and I’ve rarely had a problem. That said, I don’t do nearly the gravel you do. Pair them with a pair of wool socks, and I’m good in the Fall and Spring.

[@SmurfPerfect]

Great vid, worth the wait.

[@steveedwards5280]

So glad I found this. I thought I was the only person in the world looking for a minimalist cycling shoe. Since going minimalist a couple of years ago and finally curing my PF, I've had to sell all my conventional clipless cycling shoes. Coming from mountain biking, I ride a mid foot position with 5:10 vxi. I want to build a gravel bike but toe overlap seems to be a problem. I'd happily got SPD again but I want a wide enough toe box. I also want a shoe without toe spring and arch support. Why does every shoe designer think arches need supporting? Have they never travelled under a bridge?

[@stevepark6363]

Great great session. Delicate balance between minimal but foot-safe. The Astral TR1 looks worth a try! I agree that the Altra Lone Peak is too delicate for traction pins and other bike hazards - instead I like the casual Altra Cayd.

[@kimkrimson]

Thanks for the awesome comparison. It is truly tough and feels like we have been left out by the cycling industry when all we want is give them our money 😭

[@wf2197]

I wear Altra Superior 2.0, an old version that has since completely changed as you pointed out. They definitely get torn up from pedal pins, but I have been using Race Face Ride Pedals which have composite “pins”/“nubbins” and do not tear into minimalist shoe soles. I’m lighter though, so this might not be the best for folks who need a super tough pedal. These pedals are cheap, light, and strong enough for me though.

[@PrincessPea1]

DH rode the Southern Tier + on flat pedals with Merrell gloves. They are light weight and dry pretty fast.

[@ParanoidPixel]

More like this please please please

[@laurentgeyer7674]

Fizik Terra Ergolace X2. Ride them clipless, or just on flats. Decent enough flex to walk around, nice grip with Vibram outsoles, but for sure on the harsher side compared to a comfy sneaker.

[@roamingwolfpack]

Try the Altra brand of shoes! They have the foot shape, many of their models have the vibram soles. The Olympic is my personal fave, high stack height, & zero drop! Give em a shot!

[@felipefreire3201]

have you ever tried indoor soccer shoes? they are resistant and are usually not very flexible and have a flat and hard rubber sole. some even have a small cushioning system and a kind of neoprene sock in place of the tongue, which makes them very comfortable. Here in Brazil, where soccer are very popular, It is a choice for those who want to Ride on flat pedals. Let me try to find and example on USA

[@felipefreire3201]

Nike's Superfly series is an example

[@BenZCardiff]

Russ, I also think you should try the Altra Escalante. Either the 2.0 version or the 2.5. I tried them today with CB Stamps and they worked super well. Exactly what you are after I believe.

[@mattsheah8415]

Have you checked out the Astral TR1 scuffler? Same as the shoe you showed but has the drain holes filled in and a reinforced outsole. The TR1 has become my go to travel/cycle shoe.

[@gravedoja]

Yes, I'm currently looking for a minimalist shoe to replace my free riders, tried riding in my Vivo shoes and Xero shoes but I need something with a little more support. I'm using catalyst pedals btw.

[@brad.coombes]

Bizarre! I spotted then watched this video just now, but I asked almost the exact same question this morning (New Zealand time). My path to a conclusion was a little different. Decision to go with big flat pedals > five10 freeride (loved the flat, dotted sole; hated the bulky hot upper) > next purchase, experiment with approach shoes because the five10 sole is allegedly an approach shoe sole > mamut hueco GTX (great for winter but a bit heavy and inflexible for summer and a bit pointy at the toe) > Black Diamond Circuit Approach (shunned by climber types as gym/pub approachees but.... light upper, laces don't go all the way to toe and a reasonably wide toe box; retains perfectly flat, dotted rubber approach to the sole).. bought an hour ago, haven't ridden home in them yet...hoping they'll do for all the gravelpacking/touring I've got lined up for the summer :) Great minds clearly think somewhat alike.

[@MozOnBikes]

As other have mentioned by a few other Five Ten Trailcross or even the Five Ten Tennie Approach Shoe sound like shoes that match the attributes you’re describing to me. Both of these are on my radar for next spring

[@carloshernandez7874]

Oboz low leather mesh are my favorites for flat pedal riding and walking around too... check em out!

[@sagehiker]

I am looking for a shoe that will deal with flat pedal, dirt road, and hiking about when I get wherever. I agree with you about the Altra Lone Peaks, though I scrounged up two NWT pairs of 4.0 and will stick with them until they blow out.

[@mojosdad68]

I’m wearing the freerides by five10. They’re okay. Excellent grip with the Crank Bro Seven flats but I’d really like a shoe that was more suited to walking and rain. The freerides take a while to dry out.

[@bjulaszek]

Have you tried the Merrel Burnt Rock or Catalyst shoes? They are within the "casual" category, but I use them for light hikes, walking and of course biking.

[@davehoover8853]

Wow, I plead totally ignorant here. I have ridden MTB using Sidi clipless with Time Attack pedals and just put them on a new OPEN gravel bike. The shoes have lasted for years in everything from PNW mud to rocky southern Utah and now some long stretches of Wyoming gravel. I put Surefoot insoles in these and also in various LaSportiva approach or trail shoes and love the support and protection. Have you done a segment on the benefits of going minimalist-I would like to learn more. Thanks.

[@corynardin]

I am actually in the market for some new minimalist running shoes. I used to love the N1 from Perl Izumi, but they stopped making them. TheMerrill With respect to a bike shoe. I am looking for a lightweight, stiff sole shoe that accommodates SPD cleats and has some lugs so that I can walk when the trail gets too steep. But I imagine that there are plenty of XC shoes that would fit the bill. I just haven't found them yet.

[@SashaLokhtin]

For anyone looking for a clipless foot shaped cycling shoes check out bont cycling they have a pretty good range for normal prices as well can do full custom for the $$. But they kind of racing shoes so it’s not for walking at all, just riding performance.

[@davehoover8853]

I like a fair bit of stiffness in the sole. I also prefer clipless for road, gravel and mountain biking. My Sidi MTB shoes have lasted for many years, are not heavy or bulky and are very well made. I am curious why you would ride flats on gravel or single/double track?

[@ichirofakename]

OK I'm gonna go down to Chrome Central in the Mission and try some.

[@Eric-Red]

For me it's Hoka Clifton for running, 510 for flats, Giro for road/gravel. I'd like to try a Hoka Speedgoat also.

[@stewartlogie]

For a shoe that is too bendy in the sole, but otherwise is of good minimalist fit and construction, it might be worth experimenting with a cycling specific insole. If found these to add stiffness. They certainly add expense, but may serve in several shoes.

[@MrRedPony01]

I ride trail gloves on gravel but no grip on the MTB. I used freeriders for MTB because it has the widest forefoot I can find. I really want to make a minimalist clip less shoe.

[@bikelanez7376]

Great information thank you for sharing this 👍

[@Gwenc22]

Thanks for this info. Right now I'm using Xeros. I just wish there would be a minimal bike shoe with velcro so I don't have to worry about laces getting caught as I ride.

[@awanderingriver]

SOM's are a good choice and might fit what you're looking for.

[@curtbrown7967]

I'm also on this quest. Keens are good on toe box but haven't found the right one that drains/dries well - yet. Best shoe needs to dry quickly, ie not waterproof.

[@dinoschumacher9226]

I use the Keen Jasper. Low bulk, super flat and nice and wide in the toe box.

[@LoLa-md6fy]

Have you tried anything from the Camper Peu line? The Rambla has a canvas upper which is great in summer.

[@dragonphotostudio]

Long shot- Have you ever seen the Pearl iZumi X-Alp Launch? I've had my ey on them for some time for the same reasons but can't find much info.

[@arminhess1512]

I prefer minimal shoes while commuting although using flats with pins. Especially vivobarefoot and their firm ground sole works good.

[@amandapeine6745]

I used to wear Crocs for mountain biking. They seemed to be good protection but tore up on the pedal pins.

[@mrmrmaples]

@mewcyclingshoes on instagram it's a slow process, but I'm working on making barefoot cycling shoes!

[@CanadianSledDog]

I look for all the same things in a shoe so I can't believe altra didn't make the list! I mean I hear you about the uppers being thin but it's never been a problem for me. It's a benefit. I put 1000 km of bikepacking on a pair of superiors. I rode 6 months on flat pedals with a pair of lone peaks with no damage. I still use the same ones. Maybe give them another chance?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I rode and ran in very early versions of the Lone Peaks that were notorious for mesh tear. Maybe look at them again in the future. They keep changing the shoe too much tho.

[@CanadianSledDog]

@@PathLessPedaledTV I was late to the altra party so I don't even know what the old ones were like, maybe that's just for the best! Lol.

[@chrislang8553]

I actually like wearing my Altra HIIT shoes. Zero drop, wide toe box. Comfortable with fair soles.

[@nealweeks6632]

Altra Superior 5 - Great soul

[@NelsonSherry]

Russ, Thanks for a great channel. As I'm watching this video, it is reminding me that I am looking to up my winter cycling footwear game. I recently watched one of your videos comparing the 45NRTH to the Trek winter shoes. BUT, if we choose to ride in flats over the winter, we are not limited to SPD compatible winter shoes. Being in Montana and cycling all winter, and preferring flat pedals in general, have you not worked toward refining your winter cycling footwear solutions? I've seen very little on this topic and would love your take, especially for more extreme conditions beyond short commuting in cold but not truly troublingly cold weather.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

A good winter hiking boot combined with a Neos overshoe.