Pathology and the Ivy League | Victor Davis Hanson | EP 325

Ep. 325
Dr Jordan B Peterson and Victor Davis Hanson discuss the state of Ivy League universities, the rise of administrative exploitation, and the cost of our institutions losing credibility.
Victor Davis Hanson is the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, focusing on classics and military history. He is an accomplished academic, professor, and author. He has taught at Stanford, Hillsdale College, the US Naval Academy, and Pepperdine University. His books include “The Second World Wars,” “The End of Sparta,” “The Soul of Battle, Carnage and Culture,” the most recent being “The Dying Citizen: How Progressive Elites, Tribalism, and Globalization Are Destroying the Idea of America.”
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:23) Intro
(2:30) Citizen or consumer?
(6:20) Transformation of the tribe
(8:00) Modern reversion to tribalism
(11:42) The need for a higher-order principle
(13:40) Aristotle: democracy leads to radical equality
(17:00) Western culture’s emphasis on the individual
(20:22) Recalibration of the term “diversity”
(23:00) Merit left behind, SAT’s
(30:00) Campus demographics, competition
(31:00) Criteria for admission: why it matters
(36:40) What your degree used to mean
(38:55) The commissar system
(41:00) Admission rejection based on DEI
(44:00) The new education front
(48:28) Taking accreditation public
(53:13) Academia is broken
(58:40) Points of failure, Adjuncts
(1:03:30) Petty tyranny
(1:05:45) Critical legal theory
(1:07:15) Child psychology, predators
(1:09:39) When patriotism dies
(1:13:30) The armed forces, seeking challenge
(1:16:00) The fall of Civilization
(1:17:25) The dilemma for Conservatives, Trump
(1:22:02) Agenda = financial support
(1:24:55) The Gulag Archipelago, ethos
(1:28:50) Literacy and empowerment
(1:33:54) Experiments in belief
(1:36:01) America is not a democracy
(1:38:15) Appeal of democracy, reality of the mob
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[@destinymayberry6217]

I'm in Virginia and we're fighting right now. Because around 13 or 14 schools did not inform students who were winning academic awards and scholarships weren't told. Because they wanted to treat all students the same. These kids got no recognition and missed huge oppurtunities in the spirit of not giving credit to earned merit.

[@roninbruh]

What part of Virginia? I’m in Clifton Forge.

[@myles3856]

What

[@selenaclarke]

Destiny can you please elaborate for those of us elsewhere?

[@destinymayberry6217]

@@selenaclarke Kids who were winning Academic Awards and Scholarships. Were not told by the schools. For reasons of making other children not feel lesser. They did not tell them. Youngkin and winsom Sears are fighting to hold those schools and schoolboards accountable some how and make sure it quits happening. I don't honestly understand what you mean by elaborate. It's that cut and dry.

[@destinymayberry6217]

@@roninbruh I'm from Appomattox. I don't remember the names of all the schools. But I'm sure it's on Youngkins or Sears page. I know Sears did an interview on it already and they've put out statements. Still fighting issues in Fairfax. Which I don't even get.

[@mr.sotack6586]

I’ve never clicked faster on a Jordan Peterson video! Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure and the most astute historian and political commentator of our time. Brilliant!

[@neillezotte6818]

ME TOO!!

[@a1erii]

Two of the best intellectuals of today in one place!!

[@toungewizzard6994]

I'm from the UK. Never heard of or from him, thanks for the recommendation 👍

[@keithwilliams8342]

Ha. Me too.

[@WestCoastBroodWar]

Proud to be from the Central Valley of CA! Livining in Alabama now still loving VDH and JBP!

[@cjsmith8319]

I got accepted into an Ivy League school after I got out of the military. I was definitely a diversity hire, but I made peace with it. I went to an orientation group meeting and I knew I was in the wrong place when I was cursed for being white. I wasn’t as well versed on the societal issues back then. It just seemed like the biggest pissing content to see who was the most unique or oppressed. If only they could see what went on in the Middle East back then. What happened to my buddies. However, I’m glad I went with my gut. I decided that I did not belong there. I went to a smaller college in my hometown. I thought that I was going to have the privilege and honor of studying with the greatest minds in the world, but it felt like I was trying to be cudgeled into thinking that since I was white, I was wrong. I can’t get behind that.

[@warnerchandler9826]

Thank you for your service. So many universities are lost. I hope you got a decent education locally.

[@patricklosi3358]

@cjsmith8319 Normal human beings don't need to be thanked for their service. So I will not extend to you that which is utterly ridiculous and useless anyway. I couldn't stand the phony morality play anymore than I can now. Can you imagine someone thanking your for pulling your over and giving you a ticket? Or thanking the fire department for checking the hydrants? Anyway. It was nice to read your anecdote. However I can't help but note you did not in the least nit point out how: 1) Absolutely useless the Ivy Leagues are (outside of stem and an appeal to authority) and furthermore the fact that All elite universities descrimate actively against.......?

[@cjsmith8319]

@@warnerchandler9826 I did. Got my bachelors and masters degrees on the GI Bill. I’m doing ok for myself

[@stevenemery4952]

This is deeply sad, but brilliant in your revelations of the IV leaguers true intent. They themselves are bigoted, self loathing racists full of themselves; deeply narcissistic in thoughts & oblivious to their hipocracy ! Well stated. I’m sure your a better citizen for going back to a home town college & thank GOD you got away before you became another brainwashed statistic 👍❤️

[@cathtf7957]

I agree that thanking these ex military is unnecessary It is just a job. Seems like people are just mimicking what they hear others saying. It seems kind of phony to make such a big deal out of military service. We all hear about the situations of the large numbers of vets who are denied veterans benefits and have to struggle thru red tape for years to get what they are entitled to. This experience must let them know that they are NOT appreciated or even worthy of just compensation.

[@donaldkasper8346]

My grandmother started the first school in North Dakota in her kitchen to teach her children how to read the bible. Other farmers heard about this, and began sending their own kids over, along with food, and things to pay for her effort. She later got an award from the governor for that.

[@carlchilders6069]

amazing

[@hillsofwi]

That should be a story worth telling in detail. What area of the State if I can ask?

[@donaldkasper8346]

@@hillsofwi Cando, ND? She did get an award from the governor for it. Never was handed down, I did not see it.

[@terriejohnson6498]

Beautiful

[@terriejohnson6498]

Good to make a movie

[@michaelboyd7508]

I literally got goose bumps when i saw JP was speaking with VDH ,two of the most brilliant thimkers of our time. This should be broadcast for free on every station around the world in every language. Bravo Dr. Peterson!

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

It's too bad that MSM subscribers will never believe them.

[@sheilabright2091]

I add Thomas Sowell to that illustrious pinnacle.

[@Turtleday112]

Ditto! Man I’ve been waiting for this conversation!

[@rafed3672]

Apparently our affairs are quite bad, if even bright conservative minds can offer nothing but complaints. No winning strategy. Sad...

[@jokekelleey2071]

Literally that means you wrote it down

[@ericfrehlich8800]

As a regular listener of the Victor Davis Hanson show, I can tell you I've been highly anticipating this interview for a very long time. Victor is a very intelligent and judicious fellow that has been an invaluable source of historical commentary for myself and others. Thank you and bless you both!

[@NuvoVision]

amen.

[@lancelot1953]

Hi Eric, I had the same hopes as you (anticipating such interview of two of the greatest scholars of our decade). What a treasure of philosophy and psychology, Ciao, L

[@terriejohnson6498]

Amen

[@litraturest.germain7468]

Oh my, my, my. Listening to these great intellectuals is so depressing. The world that has been created by the woke and cancel culture is enough to make one want to find a rock and crawl under. I have been a victim of said culture, and those who perpetrated their abuse are doing well. Where is the justice?

[@diji5071]

Bringing it all back to the filks3

[@gianfrancobenetti-longhini8192]

When in boarding school in Kenya '52 to '57, where in form 4 and form 6 (high school in the USA), we had the exams sent to the school in sealed packages from Cambridge University, that were opened only to be given to the students at the start of each exam. There was given a time for each subject, and when the bell went, the student had to put his paper into the envelope and sealed, whether he had completed it or not. All these were sent back to Cambridge and checked by examiners who had no clue to who the student was, other than in his name. Certainly a democratic way of verifying correctly.

[@SteveB-nx2uo]

how is that democratic? do you mean neutral? fair? above board? anonymous? without bias?

[@gianfrancobenetti-longhini8192]

@@SteveB-nx2uo Thank you for the observation, as in some countries the term "democratic" is not what I meant, so of your choices I would choose "without bias", purely based on the answer of whoever.

[@SteveB-nx2uo]

@@gianfrancobenetti-longhini8192 Glad to make this distinction. The reason I do so, is the political left in America has been using the word "Democracy" to support all sorts of backwards, damaging policy, and its important to define words properly, and correct people using them rhetorically. For example, the current political class in the US tells me that they are "Supporting democracy" in Ukraine, by funding a government they engineered with a violent coup, which took over the country and has since banned opposition language, news, media, and political parties. they call it democratic to support a regime that disallows other political parties from trying to run for election. pretty ironic.

[@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers]

I've listened to this interview 3 times now. Victor Hanson is an absolute treat. Together with JP? An irresistible combination.

[@booboo4963]

I find it extremely rude that Peterson interrupts Victor every time. Peterson goes on for minutes at a time setting up and asking a question and then when Victor finally has a chance to answer, Peterson cuts him off and changes the topic. It actually makes for an aggravating discussion.

[@Rbullard]

Amazing conversation. ~15y ago I started telling all three of my kids that I would pay for their undergrad educations at any public institution they could get into, no strings, and then I would pay for a graduate degree but only from one institution - Harvard. I'm in the financial services industry, and I've seen over and over what a Harvard degree means, and the doors it opens. About 2 years ago my sentiment began to change, and now I've done a full 180. A Harvard degree has lost all of its luster and power. Now when I see "graduated from Harvard", I have to look and see "when". Because if it was after about 2018... it's a vacuous piece of paper. What a loss, for all of us.

[@humantacos9800]

I could listen to these two for four hours too.

[@mputilin]

So, to what degree is that true? Are there exemptions to this or are everybody as failed as the video claims they are?

[@samscott3505]

Service academys still hold their pedigree.

[@anonymike8280]

Respectfully, you are part of the problem. Your kids and the childhood friends and classmates they grew up with might be talented. No guarantee they can get into Harvard graduate school even if academically and intellectually qualified. Have you ever considered fighting back against the Ivy League monopoly? To some extent, the Ivy League monopoly is a monopoly on the entry level in certain careers and with certain employers. It is difficult to argue the vast generalities which seem to govern the lifetime arcs of huge swaths of people. When you reduce it to the simplicity of the entry level and maybe advancement to the next level, now you can have a coherent debate.

[@TimL1980]

👍You need to screen for brains and humility by throwing simple math questions at them!

[@onishomar489]

As an Ivy League student this is so true. Half the people in class have no interest in learning, and many cannot put together a coherent paragraph. They sit on their laptops and scroll through social media.

[@startupsstartups5564]

How they get in? Why they are doing like that?

[@KurenaiTenka]

@@startupsstartups5564 'How they get in?' Surely the video explained that?

[@tristan8041]

The students are also painfully aware of this “woke agenda.” So they know what their professors are looking for. I’ve had to write countless papers where I made up for my lack of effort with mushy leftwing bullshit. It helped me get good grades but definitely hurt me in terms of personal growth.

[@robertporter4501]

Onish, very revealing. Equity and woke-ism is for mindless, talentless drop-outs like those of Black Lives Matter. who never could achieve anything of note or handle a real challenge on their own and cry foul when their stupidity is exposed. Just watch the slide into total mediocrity as this new philosophy takes hold in which, talent, imagination, diligence and industry is reviled and punished, and brilliance like that of Elon Musk is vilified

[@garyjones3142]

@@startupsstartups5564 You make no sense !

[@forcefedapocalypse]

As a man who once walked the life as a provisionally licensed clinical psychologist, (I left U of Pitt due to mandatory cultural diversity training in 2018) I would like to say how lucky you all are to have had access to this man's work over the course of your lives. Many of us had to scrounge through scientific literature for years before we could even be a figment of Dr. Peterson's excellence. If you haven't at least completed a Bachelors of any kind with honors, you haven't even scratched the surface of what's its like to be him. I guarantee this man has worked 8-12 hours a day for the better part of his entire life. Not because he is required by law. Because he loves humanity. If you can't see that by now, you are truly one lost soul.

[@mathewm7136]

Hard to beleiive that, at one time, he considered himself a staunch socialist.

[@johnboylan3832]

Give it a rest, eh? 8-12 hours a day is normal for most people. He lives a privileged life.

[@PhillipSherriff-kx4jj]

If you want to stop these universities and colleges to quit this DEI BS, cut out these unlimited student loans. Guarantee they will change their tunes. All these people that want the U.S. to provide free education like Europe, well prospective students have to take a qualification exams. And those exams are much tougher than the SATs. And believe no one is wasting their time with womans', minority, or other garbage degrees.

[@SM-pd5cl]

I'm glad they lost you. I'm afraid that after all of the hard working and smart people have people have been pushed out and all comes tumbling down, we will have this large population of vicious narcissists with no job and will have plenty of time to focus their energy to seeking revenge. They will continue to blame the same people and institutions.

[@thomasaristycruz8997]

And yet the other man seems so lacking in knowledge. Dr Peterson has said himself that in spite of Legacy students and affirmative action, it’s virtually a competition between valedictorians. The other profesor lacks the intellect to look at the debate with more than one logical frame of reference. Peterson stands way above him and I’m surprised he didn’t correct him

[@The_Red_Off_Road]

I’m glad the internet did not break when these two got together. JBP and VDH are two of the top minds in western society. One is psychology/sociology and the other is history/military. Well rounded

[@benjaminlasseter8929]

Former professor of biochemistry here. Left when I had to be more of a lawyer than a teacher or even researcher. My opinion is that our current university system cannot be redeemed and should be destroyed. The degrees conferred (even in my field) no longer certify that a graduating student has the knowledge or skills that the degree says they do. It isn't even close, anymore. Students could get degrees based upon their family's social connection, and could be excused for almost anything if they were well enough connected. Better to learn the skills on the job itself.

[@B.Mega.D]

That's a shame...biochemistry is so awesome and important!

[@marcielizabeth7425]

This explains why I encounter so many people with degrees who can't even spell or punctuate properly. It goes downhill from there.

[@joesmith-dk3uz]

WOW!, I've felt and seen examples of this for years. In my view, college is doing nothing more than selling their wares. There seems to be no accountability as to outcomes of students. College and trade schools tell their students that they will make big money yet the things such as character are never talked about. College isn't for everyone, I try to hire young HS graduates to go into the simple field of sign type installations, after several years of training, its possible to earn up to $100K or more. They either quit after a year, not willing to go through the apprentice period or because a factory gives them $.25 mor per hour to which they won"t ever advance at. That is, even if you get them to show up for the interview.

[@JulesGardening]

Still teaching economics but getting close to the day I walk away. I was at a conference in 2020. One I had attended for two decades. ALL of my colleagues were counting the semesters to "walk away" day. I think the top 10% of the students will be fine. What I see is the bottom 10% has expanded to about 20% or even 25% and the middle students have declined on average. They seem to be happy with mediocre. Maybe that is due to the no child left behind standard in public education? Anyway, it is too complex to fix now. After 30 years in the field, I see no hope for the system. Education has become a commodity where food grade a b and c are mingled in the market place of labor. Currently, I would wager at least a 1/3 of college students would not have been admitted 50 years ago.

[@user-ji8ll1qn6o]

Honestly i agree since i moved to north america i feel like im learning nothing in university lol

[@davidweber5922]

This should be a monthly series. The range of topics that these men could cover at an elite level would be inexhaustible.

[@julias.3835]

@Kyra he and his daughter are currently founding “Peterson Academy” - looking forward to it!!🎉

[@shannonferguson4810]

YES! 😃

[@timsteinkamp2245]

They have been here for years and what has it profited us? Do you just like listening to the problems and place blame? Do you not want a path out? This is the problem of the educated, discus it until you fall asleep.

[@brandons9913]

@@timsteinkamp2245 what would you have them do? Run for office and become politicians? Become the government and be the one’s “here to help?”

[@milou22rh]

@@timsteinkamp2245 oh and what do you do to contribute? Any actions lately?

[@ambition112]

0:00: 📚 The development of literacy through the translation of biblical writings and the importance of the Gutenberg Bible in history. 11:42: 👥 The discussion explores the concept of citizenship, the value of individualism, and the challenges of identity politics and equity. 23:36: 📚 The speaker discusses how the concept of diversity has replaced class differentiation and oppression, leading to a focus on race as the arbiter of victimhood. 34:09: 💡 The speaker discusses the importance of meritocracy in selecting individuals based on general cognitive ability, personality, and interest, and how abandoning this principle can lead to corruption and nepotism in admissions processes. 48:02: 💡 The value of traditional universities and the current education system is being questioned, leading to potential market opportunities and alternative models of education. 56:04: 💡 The speaker discusses the flaws and failures of faculties of education and universities in the United States. 1:06:01: 📚 The University system is a drag on the economy, culture, and collective morality, and needs to be radically changed or destroyed. 1:16:39: 🤔 The speaker discusses the decline in trust in American institutions and the paradoxical willingness of the left to trust large-scale institutions that align with their ideological agenda. 1:32:44: 📚 The purpose of a true Humanities education is to transmit knowledge that allows people to become wise enough to forestall the deterioration towards idiot and vengeful egalitarianism. 1:37:49: 🎓 The conversation explores politically correct beliefs, the role of universities in education, and the need for civic education. Recap by Tammy AI

[@cbrvo8440]

I dont trust doctors anymore.

[@cbrvo8440]

I dont trust doctors anymore.

[@thekatarnalchemist]

Thank you, this is a great resource!

[@ms.t9411]

Omg thank you so much!!!!

[@ronniredmond3222]

I have to watch this again! Spent so much time taking notes I need a review in case I missed something. Total relevance to what’s happening today. 15,000 administrators to 16000 students at Stanford? Admissions and graduations now synonymous? Let that sink in!

[@TheShanty50]

As expensive as concerts have become, whatever the cost of Admission to listen to these two talk live for 3 hours would be priceless. We could use a few 1000 more Dr. Hanson's in this world. The first time I ever saw him do a short interview I was a fan.

[@tlindsay1007]

Yet, we get to watch them for free on KZbin. Pretty amazing!

[@travelbuddiesexcellentadve4117]

First exposure to DVH was on BOOKtv on cspan in a 3 hr interview years ago. My fav ever since. Such a grounded person.

[@sagatuppercut2960]

I would also pay to see this discussion in a theater. Hopefully, they would allow the audience to ask questions.

[@dentonfender6492]

Even better priceless discussions in concerts are already on You Tube. Discussions, and debates with one of the greatest intellects of our time, Christopher Hitchens. Christopher Hitchens if he were still alive would have easily mopped the floor with both Jordon Peterson, and Hanson. Although, since there is little on You Tube between Hitchens, and Hanson, you could conclude that they were in agreement with each other on various issues rather than contrarian, for example WW2.

[@SeptemberAdam]

Yeah, we could could we? use 1000 more Hanson's. He don't like Black People, particularly young Black Men. And that is particularly why we need 1000 more of these Hanson's right?

[@allisoncabral1957]

JP and VDH are two of the most brilliant minds in public discourse today. Fascinating and deep. They bring understanding to the chaos of our dark world. Truly dedicated and gifted men. Grateful Thanks for your efforts and meeting! Please meet again in the future! God Bless you both!

[@allisoncabral1957]

show the receipts...for all I know you could be just a BOT...don't believe your BS for a second....

[@lesliecherylp1976]

Ivy leagues allow the secret societies. Yale is skull & bones, both bush presidents, kerry, shifty, Clinton? And now, they are saying DeSantis is skull & bones! On Yale campus their meeting hall is separate from any other bldg, painted black and called "the crypt", they are evil, and their loyalties lie with the lucifarians, not the US!

[@annacolleen-eo8hc]

My husband thought I was nuts, when I told him what patterns I saw developing on universities, about 15 years ago. I never had a chance to go to college, even if I had been interested.

[@SPAZZYok]

These two and Thomas Sowell are the best. Should be mandatory teaching for young kids.

[@joeantonelli5533]

Yes!!!!!!!!

[@patricklosi3358]

After Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, Peter Brimelow, Edward Dutton, F. Roger Devlin, Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, Lipton Matthews, Joe Sobran, David Cole, Jim Goad, Illiana Mercer, Michelle Malkin or Greg Hood.

[@richardk6659]

Does anyone actually think that the leftist, liberal teachers who permeate the public school systems would teach the thinking of Sowell, Hanson, Peterson, etc. to young kids? Better home school your kids if that's what you want.

[@egorone0408]

Two intellectual giants of our time. This is a genuine privilege to listen to such advanced thinkers. Thank you JP and VDH.

[@samfisher9413]

Jordan Peterson is NOT a giant of ANY kind. He's a pseudotradcon who's stuck in The era of his youth and has absolutely no real grasp of how the crap that he talks about actually works in the modern age. Don't get me wrong he does have some good points on some pretty interesting topics but overall everything he says is just basically scripted and utterly useless.

[@marvinbone1379]

Now, i want to read this (new( book of Victor's !

[@kieranb7747]

@@samfisher9413 i'd like to read how you think he doesn't have a grasp on this age.

[@BeijingYank]

Psychobabble Peterson v. Groom of the Guggenheim Stool, Victor Davis Hanson. Priceless.

[@lauriemanno7829]

Wonderful talk!

[@AANasseh]

Now… this is the combination that was on my wishlist forever! JBP and VDH together in one conversation!!! What a treat!

[@AirtimeAerial]

Dilly! Dilly! 💯👏

[@autumnleaves2766]

My jaw was dropping as I listened to Victor Davis Hanson describe what is going on in the American universities and other institutions, including the military. We have very similar problems here in the UK. I think the seeds were sown back in the 1960s, as Dr Peterson was saying, and we have certainly seen a dumbing down of education in the last few decades. So today's youngsters are being taught by people who are themselves poorly educated and lacking in critical thinking. The result is then a dangerous drop in standards across the board. All institutions have been politicised, even healthcare. I wish I could understand the psyche of these radical left wingers with their Marxist divide-and-rule agenda. Why do they hate western civilisation so much ? What do they want to replace it with ? Are they all mentally ill ? Is it a sort of mass psychosis ? That's what it feels like these days. Thank heavens for voices like those of Dr Peterson and Victor Davis Hanson. Voices of sanity amidst the collective insanity.

[@leslie6938]

I believe they’ve been propagandize (effectively brainwashed) into the ideology, as they are militant about it, can’t calmly or rationally debate or explain it and most are unwilling to hear alternative viewpoints or accept that others see things differently. They tend to lash out, name call and drop friendships with those who disagree. They seem like cultists. A relatively small group of very powerful elites (WEF, CFR and other similar overlapping organizations) are behind it, using these propagandists to control everyone as they continue implementation of their one world government agenda. They’ve been open about it but the media (under their control) simply never brought it to the public’s attention.

[@gregkosinski2303]

I definitely think calling Marxism in it various forms a cult is pretty apt. It’s gotten stranger over the years because when Russia went Marxist, it was a bit of an experiment vs all these other terrible forms of government in Russia. But now a century later we have so many data points that no matter how much lip service you give to helping the less well off, that Marxist policies make everyone worse off. I suspect that there are some legit bad actors using Marxism as a tool just to direct chaotic forces. Blackrock would be public enemy # 1 to marxists except it’s been able to form some symbiosis. You losers leave us alone and feel free to malign whites, Jews, Asians, conservatives while we buy up half the single family homes in the United States.

[@booboo4963]

I find it extremely rude that Peterson interrupts Victor every time. Peterson goes on for minutes at a time setting up and asking a question and then when Victor finally has a chance to answer, Peterson cuts him off and changes the topic. It actually makes for an aggravating discussion.

[@jscott4557]

Not that is not true, Peterson just shared his views.@@booboo4963

[@judylyoness2290]

I couldn’t agree more! I have been an adjunct professor and I have been a student advisor and tutor for years. I have seen the degradation of my institution (I am in BC) over the last 15 years to the point where I retired in despair. But I also taught elementary and high school and I saw how diabolical is the curriculum that creates the situation where most students coming from the high schools are unable to pass an entrance exam. Their vocabulary is so appallingly low, that the language part of the standard exam is frequently too low and a second or third attempt is needed, and they are often accepted without a competent score. i could tell so many stories!

[@captainbeastazoid7084]

It's horrendous, Judy. I'm a teacher myself. I've taught at the grade school and high school level. There are so many teachers who curve their student's test scores and just shuffle them through each grade level, especially in public schools. It's obscene. Nobody wants to be the bad guy when they need to be.

[@marufmunsur1991]

Now the students can question their gender; whether binary or non-binary. They get the greatest sex education in the entire galaxy. Why bother about vocabulary, geography, science, history? Gender and Sex are the MOST important things for the students to learn.

[@anthonyjgreene]

've been praying for 3 years for an opportunity to hear these two men talk together, my two favorite public intellectuals. This really makes my day. I hope it's great.

[@roninbruh]

You speak for thousands. Your comment articulates so well what we’re all thirsty for: Intellectual Center-Right political and social commentary.

[@fredbretz7703]

Your hope is fulfilled. It's Great!

[@rafed3672]

I am from a communist country. I was the leader of a group of young communists. It is so sad to see how the bright minds of the West wander in the darkness, not understanding the main thing. We called you useful idiots. Are you completely dumb or what?! Lenin said - they themselves will sell us a rope on which we will hang them! You are playing with leftists in words and terms, and they are playing on your life and the life of your children! You are arguing with the left about words, about terms. And the Lefts are opportunists (read Lenin!!!). words, slogans - it's just a tool. Tomorrow they will easily change them. They care about the goal! If today the military is not suppressed by them, they will be against the military. When they tame x, they will glorify them. Is it hard to understand?! Believe me, I know their strategy. You must be pleased to console your mind by exposing the hypocrisy of the left, but if you fail to organize resistance, you will think about it further in the concentration camps. And stop saying that this is a bunch of leftist professors and freaks who have intimidated corporations, governments, all business and all states! Everything is quite the opposite! If you are not idiots, you should understand. Explore it! Find the essence. Develop a resistance strategy! Although my prediction is that you will lose because you sit on the sidelines and chat about what is happening?! And write it down in your notebook. Instead of acting, or at least thinking about how to resist. I thought the West was immune to Marxism, but it turns out not. Save us, God!

[@taskcasburn6086]

@@roninbruh And that's exactly why the mainstream players are trying to silence him. We are winning the culture war, with true enlightenment, and the accepted stupidity of the day is being rejected by more and more.

[@roninbruh]

@@taskcasburn6086 I hope you’re right. I’m in Virginia rn, and I see very little pushback. I see millions upon millions of brainwashed zealots with MBAs, MDs, & JDs. Your comment gives me hope.

[@remonedward6660]

A long awaited interview between two giants 🥰

[@barbararussell9757]

This conversation is thrilling. When I was in graduate school in 1971 (pursuing my masters in English literature) I met a very smart and amusing woman from the Ed School who was taking elective classes in the graduate English department. She was getting a teaching degree in memory of her brother, a teacher who had been killed in the Viet Nam war. She told me that her classes in the Ed School were idiotic and everyone got an A or a B. I told my mother who also had an advanced degree and was the daughter of a college president. Mom told me that the Ed School was an intellectual embarrassment even in her day (she was class if 1933). I asked why people don’t know this? Even today with Dr. Jill Biden (who says that without laughing?) the general public seem to be impressed with that degree. It’s a flim flam.

[@LadyBug1967]

Yes, Barbara, the MO is conform, conform, conform. There is sterility in conformity.

[@stephenkramp5602]

I once read that the lowest college entering SAT scores were the college of education, and the highest graduating GPA scores were the college of education.

[@denisek4392]

Yes,Dr. Jill Si se podway. (could not even say puede )ears ago,a classmate who was a "D" student graduated from a teaching college.he told me that at least half the questions on the teacher's exam were ridiculously easy.For example, what fraction is one day of the week? Wouldn"t a third grader know it was 1/7? How many months have 30 days? Pathetic!

[@normanpodhoretz3725]

)😊

[@franssusan]

@@denisek4392, I'm an education major and I agree that education is a comparatively easy course of study. However, I never had anything as easy as the examples you mention. All the exams I had to take were essay questions....at least you did have to understand sentence structure, have a decent vocabulary, and have some original ideas. However, this was many years ago when a college education was an actual meaningful thing. With affirmative action, all that changed, and now a college education means nothing unless it's in a STEM field. Affirmative action teachers don't know anything about anything and they teach that same nothing to affirmative action students.

[@gailhandschuh1138]

A conversation with my 2 favorite educators, all truth and no BS Thanks gentlemen! 😊

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Oh really? Hanson is an inveterate warmonger, no less than Samantha Power. Perhaps even more, if that's possible. BTW, Elizabeth Warren never got a Harvard appointment based on her heritage. She was very good in her area of law, but much more important, MARRIED a Harvard law professor. So, she made it on terms these two could (perhaps grudgingly) accept. (Look up "spousal hire.")

[@booboo4963]

I find it extremely rude that Peterson interrupts Victor every time. Peterson goes on for minutes at a time setting up and asking a question and then when Victor finally has a chance to answer, Peterson cuts him off and changes the topic. It actually makes for an aggravating discussion.

[@jjforcebreaker]

VDH might be my favorite American right now. Awesome to see him introduced to more and more people. He's not an American treasure, he's a Western treasure.

[@zengjanezhu]

I like him, but I like sowell even more. Had you read Sowell's books? Highly recommended.

[@rednhrailroad]

Many great Americans are actually Canadians; Dr Peterson is from western Canada.

[@sambassil7825]

I wish he would be part of the team in the next administration for shaping our country and education system.

[@jonkragness8177]

Thank you for meeting with Victor. Excited to see 2 people who's minds I respect meet.

[@sheilaoneil18]

As someone in my eightieth year, I am so thankful to these two men for their clear and concise discussion. As a mother and a grandparent I am feeling informed and enlightened and justified; the latter, because I have been experiencing such a disposition of alienation and guilt. I have been completely unable to address this overwhelming and frightening condition. Perhaps, I was thinking, I have turned into an extraordinarily grumpy old woman. Well, now I don't think so. I think that along with Jordan and Victor, I have had a justifiable reason to question just exactly what has happened to the world I knew. Thank you very much indeed for explaining so much. I'll watch this again, and probably again, and recommend it to friends. God bless you both.

[@richardscathouse]

I haven't had an intelligent discussion in America in DECADES!🤭🤭🤭

[@jeffreywoods5091]

Dr. Hanson was a professor of mine at CSU Fresno, great classes. I’m a fan.

[@robyncohen8542]

Wow! How wonderful

[@nicholasblackwell6158]

Victor Davis Hanson has written my favorite books on history. I haven't found an author who has done a better job describing how western philosophy confers an advantage even in military conflicts. His books on Greece and World War Two are excellent.

[@CB-so8xd]

The crossover we needed. Just need to do an interview with Thomas Sowell and your career is complete

[@AANasseh]

OMG! That would be Epic!!!

[@gottskalkgizurarson9230]

Dr Sowell is the wise old man that paved the way for these great thinkers

[@destinymayberry6217]

Agreed it would be brilliance. Hope peterson sees this one.

[@opinionatedape5895]

Before Sowell dies

[@joeybagodoughnuts3357]

The few good men.

[@cher8644]

What a powerhouse pairing. I could listen to these two for days and never get bored. They pack more learning and knowledge into their asides than most professors do in an hour lecture. More please.

[@Rakealia]

So my dad has a PhD in Chemistry and he used to teach at a CA state university and community college as an adjunct... for a decade he tried to get in as a full time lecturer, they wouldn't do it. EVER. Always hiring people of color or women over him. People who on standardized testing their students would FAIL constantly and they literally got angry at him for administering that testing on his students because he was making everyone else look bad due to his students scoring very well. >.>; We moved up to WA, he became an underpaid adjunct at a private university... and they kept him for 4-5 years before booting him... they booted every adjunct on staff over the years who had a PhD because they didn't want to have to pay them more... never mind they paid 1/4th less than the average salary for the area. It was crazy... screw high standards of teaching, screw high standards for their professors/lecturers (which they were replacing professors over time with masters level adjuncts too). The whole system was nuts. XD

[@487shawntower4]

Honestly any male of any value is heading east, South Korea, Japan etc., A white man only has "failure to launch' given the sexist and racist nature of the West today!!

[@elsaclementt]

As a young woman who has been experiencing the downfall of education for a few years now, thank you both so much for shining a light on this issue.

[@chrisnam1603]

💯

[@exchangestyle]

In general. But teaching whites accurate history it's important since they grew up thinking Indias are bad. Not the fact that they came to America and forcefully took over. Duh

[@jonnyjazzz]

This is the first time I've ever heard Mr. Hanson speak and I'm blown away by how articulate he is with his thoughts and the amount of insightful information he was able to convey. What a great speaker.

[@donnix1192]

Victor is an American treasure, he is the finest speaker and author when it comes to classics, politics, and military history.

[@patricksouth6668]

Two Titans. We need more of these phenomenal orators!

[@MrDavinci1965]

Tremendous conversation gentlemen. God Bless You and Thank You.

[@dw8555]

This is one of the most important discussions I have ever been exposed to... thank you Jordan and Victor!!!

[@mattmatt6572]

Vdh is the only intellectual who can speak on the same level as Peterson so great to see them combine their knowledge in this wonderful conversation.

[@donnix1192]

@@mattmatt6572 Jordan brought in an intellectual heavyweight of the same ilk. VDH is in my opinion the preeminent voice on American politics and military history, a master of the classics and an eloquent speaker of greek and Latin. Victor has an innate ability to decipher the mindset of the progressive bicoastal elite and eloquently describe their hatred for the working middle class. Great to see these two brilliant minds having a discussion.

[@ILoveAnchovies334]

This show should be called “3 white dudes feeling sorry for themselves “

[@mattmatt6572]

@@ILoveAnchovies334 lol why would they feel sorry for themselves they are prominent men during a time when they are most likely going to go down in history as great patriots.

[@ILoveAnchovies334]

@@mattmatt6572 exactly. The longer I listen to the conversation I can’t help but to think they believe they’re the victims even though they are sitting at the top of society.

[@ryanwilliams7206]

This is absolutely one of JBP’s best interviews. You can sense the respect he has for VDH and see how excited he gets covering issues with higher education with someone who genuinely understands his criticism. This podcast literally made my day. Respect!

[@l.w.paradis2108]

How much real education have you had, that these two impressed you? Hanson is an inveterate warmonger, no less than Samantha Power. BTW, Elizabeth Warren never got a Harvard appointment based on her heritage. She was very good in her area of law, but much more important, MARRIED a Harvard law professor. So, she made it on terms these two would accept. (Look up "spousal hire.")

[@michaelcap9550]

JBP for POTUS 2024!

[@thomasaristycruz8997]

I Didn’t like he focuses on LA and completely ignores the gerrymandering going on to decide minority neighborhoods. It gives me the sense that he’s hinting some groups can and it’s ok

[@jimsjacob]

VDH is a national treasure. He’s endowed with a great mind and strong common sense. His life’s experience has made him uniquely qualified to speak on these topics. He’s lived it.

[@romanandthelonghaul]

Jordan/Victor - so excellent to watch you both in a discussion together. Of all the difficulties presented by online technology the ability for a 49 year old high school non-graduate to access lectures from Harvard, Stanford and more importantly Hillsdale professors is wonderful. KZbin university is important, thank you. One thing to note Jordan, in your important critique of the college schools of education and their monopoly - those massive state budgets employ an overwhelming number of American voters and their government employee union is one of the most powerful in the world. Politicians on both sides of the political spectrum avoid discussing K-12 education if they value election. The current education system has already been taken by the marxists. And it seems, so have the government institutions. They are so large they monopolize the vote. It’s the best move they ever made. Government employee unions and state educational control. It’s a winning strategy. We have one hell of an uphill battle to save this great experiment.

[@stephenm.klevas3637]

listening to these two talking about anything is always worthwhile, listening to these two speaking to each other is a rare privilege.

[@timbarton6145]

Wow! What a combination Peterson and Hanson together. I have enjoyed listening and learning from both of these guys for some time now and to be able to hear them talk together is a real treat. Hopefully we will get to hear more like this soon.

[@sonjadidyk-tn4cc]

@@bartonlee3594 Yeah. I am an immigrant, but I did not invade, nor did I demand special privileges. I was grateful to be able to make a small contribution to my adopted country.

[@seankeenan6138]

@Eric Huckaby sorry, did they promise to solve something. I think it wasn't suppose to be much more than a conversation. What do you do Eric Huckaby? What do you bring to the world?

[@jonhubbard8013]

Why can’t anyone see or understand that the left and the right are working together There is no one working for us !

[@31tmdavies]

I love both of them, but I got the feeling that Dr. Hanson felt like he was trying to discuss one topic, and Dr. Peterson is talking about the general human condition

[@timbarton6145]

@@31tmdavies Yeah, Dr. Peterson is such a broad thinker he tends to go all over the place, still, I enjoyed listening to them.

[@theiggles]

If they would have included Doctor Sowell it would have been absolutely perfect! These gentlemen are two of my favorites!

[@trilliumlane]

Yes, true! These two and Thomas Sowell are gifted communicators, always presenting the concepts and the details or particulars so to help anyone make sense of the world.

[@Outcast1016]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@cvictor1126]

I was thinking exactly this!!!!

[@lisareiter5368]

I owe Thomas Sowell a debt of gratitude. After graduating from college in the late 80s, my worldview was off and my knowledge was weak. Thomas Sowell's books and Rush Limbaugh radio helped round out my education and turn me conservative.

[@juliegraham5033]

I really can't get enough of listening and learning from Dr P. I'm 58 this year, you are never too old to learn something new and fascinating

[@wregils]

At 82 l cannot get enough of content like this. I confess to keeping my dictionary handy but these two men challenge and educate in a way that I could never have imagined. I was severely dyslexic as a child and embarrassed by my inability to read well. I still do not read for pleasure but get lost in time hearing great dialogue and music. JBP’s series on Exodus is superb . I thought I was familiar enough with that book but I watched most episodes multiple times. A BIG THANK YOU for your sharing your wealth of knowledge.

[@sambassil7825]

I’m 78 and I love learning from VDH so much.

[@conniecooley5542]

Wow. So glad to see these two together. So smart. So articulate. Thank you Sirs.

[@noahvale2627]

Two of my favorite people having a conversation. Wow. I hope they keep in touch and even collaborate on solving the problems they describe so well.

[@davidkarr214]

I could listen to these two for hours. They make me feel smarter just absorbing some of their wisdom and experiences.

[@philobetto5106]

Asset emancipation Executive order 14067 section 4

[@SeptemberAdam]

Damn. Then you must be one horrible piece of wreck up there. Jeeze man!

[@mathewpaul5038]

...My 2 favourite professors in one podcast, it doesn't get any better than this...

[@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438]

1:07:53 a war on competency - so well said!

[@richardscathouse]

Exactly

[@offsideserj3431]

Thank you Dr Peterson. You have shed a light into this dark world we live in

[@yoitsdan]

He's saved a lot of lives. There are people that would be dead without him. There are also 10x/100x or 1000x or even more lives, that he has improved by at least a bit, but for many a lot. From personal experience, I don't want to measure the depths of my lows, or the depths of my gains because I don't want my account to be cliché. What I will share is that the knowledge Jordan has announced (most of it wasn't even his, it was found in research) will remove some of the pain in not just your life, but also the people IN your life. Often we love our family more than we love ourselves. You'll be helping them too just by giving his ideas a chance. Just read it. It's ancient wisdom that is beyond agenda.

[@franklinfleming1237]

There is infinite light.... and love.

[@terriejohnson6498]

They are great to listen to but Jesus is the light of the world. These two are blessing to Us from Him

[@amarissimus29]

It's only dark to those who willfully reject the wavelengths cast by the enlightenment. Their own contribution turns out to be completely invisible to the rational minded.

[@spudwesth]

FDR was a commie. He started it.

[@martiakatz8442]

I love listening to these professors. They are so cool and their feathers rarely become ruffled even when they speak about the armageddon that our universities are performing on our culture. Jordan says when people leave these IVY LEAGUE institutions they are less sharp than when they entered. Thank you JBP for explaining so much to us laymen in simple terms after your years of careful investigation. Thank you for giving young people an alternative to the pocket picking woke promoting higher education institutions. May God bless you and keep you.

[@montelott8570]

Jordan peterson and Victor Davis Hanson have most effectively verbalized thoughts l have had concerning so called " higher education". Thank you gentlemen.

[@sounddio1598]

Jordan - your block chain idea with respect to education is positively superb!! That will work and your timing couldn't be better! Make it happen sir!

[@destinymayberry6217]

It's like when I sent my kids to school they went into school and came out in actually knowing less then when I sent them. It was the first time I realized there's a huge problem in education.

[@nevadavis8587]

Same thing with my younger siblings--tested lower on reading and math at the end of the school year than they had at the beginning. The public schools are useless.

[@hazelstops]

I have the same thought.

[@annabell3385]

I knew it when I saw the weird math. I'm not a mathlete, but what they're doing is the most ridiculous, roundabout, idiotic math I have ever seen. They're dumbing the kids down for sure.

[@destinymayberry6217]

@@annabell3385 aggh I can't understand it My kids yelling no the butterfly method. And I'm like....What

[@kellybrown7671]

EEEKKK...my dream team! About to watch and am crazy-excited! Thank you Dr. Peterson for having this amazing man on your podcast! I am such a fan of you both, and Dr. Hanson is my favorite historian. I have taken a couple of his classes online @ Hillsdale, and highly recommend them to anyone reading this.

[@user-rt5pc7nt3t]

This is the most important conversation on education I've ever heard! Amazing!

[@junker7791]

"A miracle of incompetence." Best description of a university I have ever heard

[@Ccrippie]

These two have helped me traverse through these trying times more so then any other source around. Thank you

[@elvinilista]

This is truly remarkable. Makes me want to jump into history, poetry, psychology, literature. Thank you Dr. Peterson.

[@Seaby41]

Great isn't it?

[@philobetto5106]

Asset emancipation Executive order 14067 section 4

[@BenMJay]

Remember the people pushing D.E.I. are all the ethnic Bolsheviks. Larry Fink, Soros, Rothschilds, and the rest of them that were educated by the Talmud.

[@TJ28628]

We agree

[@TheWestlandgirl]

That's what College used to stress and we were alot more well rounded in our Education. Not anymore.

[@profeh3346]

I am a retired high school teacher who had to teach with all that stuff. I worked so very hard making that crap “work”. How validating to hear that at my gut level what I knew - it was all BS. What made me a better teacher was engaging my students, demonstrating that I cared, insisting they do the damn work and holding them accountable when they didn’t. Those that did - learned. Those that didn’t work didn’t learn. But to have a good evaluation I had to use and demonstrate the “new” lingo. That was the primary factor that made me quit early. Imagine being told you have to change everything you know that works and teach a multiple choice test only on a system that barely functions and the test had to be given at the same time as your colleagues classes and it has to be the same test LESS THAN 24HOURS BEFORE THE FIRST DAY OF CLASSES. Not to mention insulting to any kid who wants to learn and explore with synthesis and creativity.

[@malindadenlinger882]

Thank you for your service ❤

[@brucetharp7610]

I appreciate the interaction of these two intellectual giants!!!

[@waderich9904]

This is the exact message American needs right now and what we need to focus change on. As a current PhD student I’ve seen how deep the rot goes. There’s no way I’ll send my future children to institutions like the current ones. Looking forward to the development and growth of Peterson academy!

[@heather2028]

It's truly a dilemma for parents. I have a daughter who is junior in hs. She is a serious student and has always done so well. I feel she has to go to college. I am so worried about where I'm going to send her.

[@jamesconner3437]

@@heather2028 The real question is does your daughter know a career choice yet ? College just for the experience is indeed a dangerous gamble, when a bright student chooses general education or some non-specific study. To be a computer analyst, engineer, accountant, doctor,...well those will have a built in curriculum without too much room for social extremism,, at least after the freshman year.

[@valeriebrewer5669]

I'm scared to death for my grandchildren who are currently in the college system . They're not aware of the things going on around them and I don't know how to get to them??? So I do the only thing that I can do 🙏🙏🙏.

[@justinfoard3322]

@@heather2028 University of Dallas. You won't be disappointed.

[@heather2028]

@James Conner thank you for this information. She hasn't chosen a career choice yet, but she does want to major in English. Reading and writing have always been her strong subjects. Not so much with math or anything with STEM. It certainly is a gamble also bc I'm in a very blue state. I can't even imagine sending her somewhere here.

[@agnesadagio816]

Oh … Finally ….Two Professors - I have been watching or listening to everyday - are sitting together to discuss ISSUES of the day !👍🏿👏🏿🤩😍

[@shanecomeback8296]

Two of the best thinkers of our day.

[@Spinonemaster]

Two intellectual giants together, Jordan Peterson and Victor Davis Hanson .... talking about one of the worlds most important topics ... education and history

[@booboo4963]

I find it extremely rude that Peterson interrupts Victor every time. Peterson goes on for minutes at a time setting up and asking a question and then when Victor finally has a chance to answer, Peterson cuts him off and changes the topic. It actually makes for an aggravating discussion.

[@anitapaulus937]

I have followed both of these men for some time. They have very effectively explained what is happening to our society at large, and it’s more horrifying than I thought,

[@glowinthadark]

May God bless you Mr. Jordan Peterson and thank you for helping me to expand and cultivate a higher level of thinking and finally somebody I can actually admire, you have helped me to expand my life.

[@anitapaulus937]

@Google Sucks Ass Did you even watch this discussion, or do you spend your time roaming from subscriber to subscriber making asinine comments?

[@anitapaulus937]

@Google Sucks Ass I didn’t ask for your opinion.

[@timsteinkamp2245]

Did it get you off your back?

[@anitapaulus937]

@@timsteinkamp2245 I beg your pardon?!

[@dwb1919]

VDH has been one of my favourite US historians and speakers for many years. So Jordon and Victor together .... it doesn't get any better ! My family immigrated to the US from Europe in the 1920's so I have some very deep roots and bonds to our southern neighbour. (I'm Canadian) and I always greatly appreciate VDH's wisdom and take on historical, political and our current landscape. I could listen to these two brilliant people for hours.

[@philfranklin8378]

My family came to the Americas in the 1630s and they helped build this Republic. The current system sickens me

[@rayRay-pw6gz]

Your grasp of world history does not enforce the idea that Canada has a good education system .

[@rayRay-pw6gz]

@@philfranklin8378 are you referring to the white religious racist / fascist affecting our country like a bad virus ?

[@vildaolsen563]

Victor Hanson is a find wonderful intelligent man I enjoyed listening to him, I just wish that Jordan Peterson with stop interrupting him Jordan gets all excited and can't wait to give his opinion on and show his intelligence in memory extending letting us listen to mr. Hanson. Jordan Peterson has an eagle this 10 times bigger

[@vildaolsen563]

Not an eagle but an ego Jordan Peterson has become full of himself

[@davidrains3918]

Two of the most intelligent and insightful people alive having a serious discussion together. Add Thomas Sowell to the conversation and their combined wisdom would easily surpass the wisdom of all of the World’s Leaders combined, times ten.

[@peterroselle7612]

Two brilliant scholars with the courage to speak the truth and live with the consequences.

[@rafed3672]

I am from a communist country. I was the leader of a group of young communists. It is so sad to see how the bright minds of the West wander in the darkness, not understanding the main thing. We called you useful idiots. Are you completely dumb or what?! Lenin said - they themselves will sell us a rope on which we will hang them! You are playing with leftists in words and terms, and they are playing on your life and the life of your children! You are arguing with the left about words, about terms. And the Lefts are opportunists (read Lenin!!!). words, slogans - it's just a tool. Tomorrow they will easily change them. They care about the goal! If today the military is not suppressed by them, they will be against the military. When they tame x, they will glorify them. Is it hard to understand?! Believe me, I know their strategy. You must be pleased to console your mind by exposing the hypocrisy of the left, but if you fail to organize resistance, you will think about it further in the concentration camps. And stop saying that this is a bunch of leftist professors and freaks who have intimidated corporations, governments, all business and all states! Everything is quite the opposite! If you are not idiots, you should understand. Explore it! Find the essence. Develop a resistance strategy! Although my prediction is that you will lose because you sit on the sidelines and chat about what is happening?! And write it down in your notebook. Instead of acting, or at least thinking about how to resist. I thought the West was immune to Marxism, but it turns out not. Save us, God!

[@peterroselle7612]

@@dsshakespeare I respect your right to express your opinion, and your right to put “truth” in quotes. You may have, as these men do, advanced degrees and published research to your credit. I have listened to hundreds of hours of Dr. Peterson’s content, including the lectures he gave at Harvard, which are freely available on KZbin. I would not refer to him as a shill. To say both men are “not scholars in the fields of biology, anthropology or history,” implies that expertise in those disciplines would be needed to have an opinion about the downfall of Ivy League. How so? A quick Google search listed over 20 books that VDH has published - is that not enough for him to have an informed opinion? I’d like to steelman your position, but it appears to be “lack of credentials.” Who are two people you can point me to that are more qualified to comment on the subject?

[@secularnaturalismalways3331]

@@peterroselle7612 You are a very astute person. I agree with you. Dr. Peterson, and Dr. Hanson, are beyond reproach. They have history and truth on their side. They are not just opinion. But, fact. Period. God bless them. God bless America.

[@petermadany2779]

One intellectual I respect more than VDH and JP is VDH’s friend and colleague, Thomas Sowell.

[@destinymayberry6217]

@@petermadany2779 I think their all brilliant actually. Just uniquely so.

[@NoName32747]

Can't wait for this one. Two of the most intelligent people of our time. What wonderful times in which we live. 👍🏼

[@brucehutch5419]

Listening to Victor Davis Hanson and Jordan Peterson is the equivalent to watching sparring match between Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis. Brilliant insight.

[@SeverSTL]

It's comforting to see that two and a half million people watched this.

[@malindadenlinger882]

3.1 now

[@adamblock5141]

Yes ! I have been wanting Dr. Peterson to speak with Victor Davis Hanson for years! Haven’t listened yet but I’m sure it will be enriching. Thank you, gentlemen! You’re both doing important work

[@rafed3672]

Apparently our affairs are quite bad, if even bright conservative minds can offer nothing but complaints. No winning strategy. Sad...

[@rosscampbell1173]

@@rafed3672 recognizing the problem isn’t the same as “complaining”. It’s the first step in fixing them.

[@jeremyscott3645]

😅 hui 😅😅😊😅😊😅😊😅😊😅😅😊😅😊😅😅😅😊😅😊😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😊😅😅

[@jeremyscott3645]

@@rosscampbell1173 😊😊iiîuuu😊😅😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@just1fixx189]

Two of the most intelligent men on the scene today. I could listen for 10 more hrs.

[@billb4709]

As someone who retired from the system about which these two great men were discussing, I can vouch that it is beyond repair. An entirely new alternative must be created once again based on merit and the Woke instructors, administrators, and politicians who support them must be removed from office. God help us.

[@bigbubba4314]

It’s not beyond repair. But it will take significant time to resolve. Most Employers will stop seeking their graduates as employees. Some will continue to do so however. Those employers will suffer the effects of the market. Even the rich woke elite want a good return on their investment. Look at what is happening to the left wing media outlets presently. Woke leaders, managing woke “journalists” don’t produce a product that consumers will pay for. The woke investors are beginning to realize that their fortunes are being wasted. The tipping point is still a few years away, but the evidence on this is clear. It will be a wild few years though.

[@jonboy9912]

I appreciated every word of this marvellous conversation - if only many others could appreciate this kind of conversation and apply it in their daily lives.

[@RedShortsPolitics]

Jordan! You're in inspiration to us young men and women out there struggling with today's madness! You've saved many lives and will continue to do so. We will continue to pass on your teachings as much as we can, as right leaning content creators! GOD BLESS YOU! THANK YOU! 🙏

[@cookshackcuisinista]

And to us senior citizens as well! Thank you dr. Peterson!

[@RedShortsPolitics]

@@cookshackcuisinista That is amazing to hear! He's serving humanity better than 99% of the politicians!

[@RedShortsPolitics]

@@AFringedGentian So happy to hear that! ☺

[@destinymayberry6217]

@@AFringedGentian Agreed he echoes alot of my thoughts. And I learn. I use it more in my day to day life with my kids. I only write poetry. I'm actually good at starting off writing a book. I like Fantasy and Scifi. But I always fall short and stop. But I would love to read something where he's not vilified.

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

where. Better than Andrew tate! We need men like this not like that!

[@CRJines]

What an honor and a privilege to be alive in an age where I can be at my off-grid cabin in the middle of the New Mexico desert while listening to such insightful and high-level dialogue.

[@startupsstartups5564]

How ia the life there?

[@philfranklin8378]

Just wait friend if we don't fight the encroaching parasitic system you won't be allowed to live off grid in just a few years.

[@avq5]

Living in a dirty, congested city, to me that’s a dream life.

[@heinrichzerbe]

This was a phenomenal discussion. I wasn't aware of this guest, but I will look up his other discussions with earnest curiosity.

[@warrenoleary2168]

Amen ! These Professional high I. Q. intellectuals are truly impressive. Have been watching them over many years. @ of my daughters attended and graduated from Hillsdale College; they went onto their Masters Degrees out of Michigan. Hillsdale College is an impressive center of fair & balanced education plus constitution understanding.

[@jacquedegatineau9037]

Just like every other red-blooded American kid, I went through the whole "obsessed with Greek phalanx battles" phase in the late 90s early 00s. I remember stumbling on Professor Hanson's website with the University of Fresno and devouring everything he could tell me about classical Greece. Many thanks Dr. Hanson for the history lessons through the years.

[@thomasreaves588]

The so-called Greek history that Hanson is refencing is largely myth and legend put forth by Western European government propagandist. People like Pythagoras and Solan probably never really existed and are composite mythical figures....like Jesus Christ or Thor. The ancient Greeks by in large never really embraced democracy. The period of democracy in what is now called Greece lasted less than 90 years, and only really took place in a small portion (Athens) of the Hellenistic world. Most of Greek history is filled will tyrants, slavetraders, pirates and dictators. In reality, the framework of the US government came from the Iroquios Confederacy and their constitution which was called "The Great Laws of Peace". The founding fathers even copied the Iroquios' national symbol, the Bald Eagle.

[@tonyducks1121]

@@thomasreaves588 The Iroquois Confederacy and their "Great Laws of Peace" weren't the foundation nor the inspiration for the United States Constitution. Only one woke "historian" named David Grinde has ever made that ridiculous claim. Falsely and intentionally using Ben Franklin and other Founding Fathers names to shamelessly spread his historical BS aka propaganda . And Grinde made all his specific nonsensical claims without even one single shred of corroborating historical evidence to back it up.. Not even one single historical citation or shred of corroborating evidence. Not one. That's not how honest and duly recorded history works if you're on the level. Exactly why Grinde's ridiculous claim is completely disputed and ignored by every legit professional career historian in academia. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to back them up. David Grinde literally pulled that crap straight from his colon, and right up through his loose fisted rectum. Because a grifter like Grinde knows most people are extremely gullible like you, and will believe anything and everything without any credible evidence aka historical citations. No matter how irrational and idiotic it may sound. Grinde's woke historical wet dream is purely a figment of Grinde's vivid imagination, or perhaps one of Grinde's PCP induced hallucinations. Same exact thing with your historically erroneous claim that the American bald eagle as national symbol was somehow copied from the Iroquois Confederacy, and only then subsequently adopted by our Founding Fathers as our Nation's power animal.. When once again there is absolutely no historical evidence to back that stupid nonsensical claim up. In fact "on the contrary" would be an understatement. Because throughout the entire West the eagle has been a sign of dominance and strength since ancient times. In fact Roman legions even used the highly venerated eagle for their standard legionnaire battle symbol. Furthermore there is also indisputable recorded historical evidence regarding our Founding Fathers's selection origin, and symbolism regarding the American bald eagle. Plus it's subsequent adoption by the United States of America as our official national symbol. Pennsylvania lawyer William Barton and Secretary of Congress Charles Thomson are both fully responsible for the American bald eagle being adopted as our national symbol. With Secretary Charles Thomson getting the lion's share of credit on that particular one. NOT the Iroquois Confederacy. In fact the Iroquois Confederacy never even had the American bald eagle as their Confederacy symbol, or power animal. However some members of the Iroquois Confederacy used an unamed/unspecified eagle for their tribal symbol. But the Natives unspecified eagle mascot had completely different spiritual meaning and symbolism. With completely different symbolism and connotations than our America's bald eagle. For Natives the random unspecified eagle some of them adopted was about clairvoyance against future mishaps, and protection of their spirits, and the spirits of their ancestors from evil. But the Iroquois's number one defining tribal symbol was never an eagle or any other animal for that matter. For the Iroquois Confederacy their #1 symbol was always the eastern white pine tree aka "Tree of Peace". Have you ever once read the Iroquois Confederacy with specific regards to their 22 most established national tenets?? It is completely foreign, and reads absolutely NOTHING like our US Constitution. Only a complete moron or shameless propagandist would make a connection between the Iroquois's "Great Law" tenant narratives, and United States Constitution or our constitutional republic. It's literally like comparing night with day. Their is no legit basis for any comparison. Do yourself a favor. Stop LARPing as a disgraced historian like Grinde, and spreading his propaganda on KZbin. Who knows maybe you are him derp derp.

[@cacadores3955]

@@thomasreaves588 It would be beneficial for you to re-look at the early Greek philosophers and then you might be in a better position to determine what to do with knowledge you cannot know for certain, like the existence of Solon, which justifies the concept of 'mythos' - the origen of language. As Solon said (or may have), 'Knowing, keep silence'.

[@tonyducks1121]

@@thomasreaves588 So Professor, what is your credible historical evidence that Pythagoras wasn't a real person, and was entirely based on mythology? And who the Hell is Solan??

[@portapotty69]

I recently went back to university in my late 30's, working on a degree in technical theatre. I'm already established in the industry, but I wanted to get my B.A. I was shocked that critical race theory was deeply embedded in the curriculum of nearly every class I took, aside from mathematics. I don't know how any white male can sit through this without going mad.

[@philfranklin8378]

They really want to destroy this Republic and that won't happen unless they can destroy the European Diaspora.

[@sultanofswing7198]

Name the university please. So that the rest of us not to hire anyone from there.

[@portapotty69]

@@sultanofswing7198 Indiana University. Don't be fooled by all the corn and tractors, IU is as woke as they come.

[@jbwentworthe6082]

In the end these academics will do themselves in. Just hope they haven't taken our entire Republic with them ! One way or another, Nature will prevail and those who "can" will rise to the top - "Ayn Rand"

[@soniajulie6465]

I also returned to community college to take some classes now that I'm newly retired - I haven't taken and CRT, but I took an environmental biology class and I really enjoy questioning the professor when it came to the topic of climate change and watching many of my young fellow studenst surprised that I questioned him. I can't wait for my next class - child psychology and this silly gender bender crap to argue against !!

[@kristinebailey6554]

I thank God for men like you, telling the truth. Let it soak in, 15,000 administrators for 16,000 students. Administrating pays more than teaching these days. And when you dumb down the student body, there is a lot of hand holding going on. Sad, pathetic times we live in.

[@moors710]

I Never took the SAT because I was not going to the schools that required them the ACT is more common a requirement in the Midwest in 1976. On the PSAT/NMSQT I received a 84th percentile on the English portion , and on the mathematics /quantitative portion I did a perfect score. Columbia University did reach out to me, but the assistance was in toe form of a50% tuition relief, and that was completely out of my means so I went to North Dakota State University and did physics graduate work later. the old boy network was sill quite active at the Ivy leagues,and people from my area often dropped out of the Ivy leagues not for academic reasons, but social pressure at those universities.

[@abpgrace]

I’ve wanted these 2 to get together for a couple of years. Bravo!!!

[@kapokia]

This is TOO GOOD. Two living legends and intellectual giants in conversation. MORE PLEASE.

[@alexmook6786]

Amen! Does not get more outstanding than these two giants.

[@buddhistsympathizer1136]

Too good for what? Too good to be viewed? Too good to be on KZbin? Nothing Jordan releases is 'too good' - VERY good, but not too much. I've no clue what 'too good' would look like to be honest

[@kevinwager9284]

time well spent! Thank you both.

[@ipell5280]

Delicious conversation. Sweet music to my soul that these two minds are engaged in the exploration and exposition of everything that matters to me. Deeply grateful for their presentation. Thank you

[@samscott3505]

I can see why I relate so much to mr Davis’ points, as I had several professors like him in college. I was blessed to go to the Air Force Academy, where the focus is almost completely centrist (maybe even a bit right of center. I was an econ major and my profs in that were very conservative, at least economically.) They dont try to brainwash you there (as far as education and politics are concerned) and since there is no tuition ie profit for the academy to target, they focus on producing educated, responsible citizens/airmen. I see that Davis himself taught at the naval academy, and im sure they were fortunate to have him.

[@rayRay-pw6gz]

The military has never been anything but far right . They even allowed the flying of the confederate flag on some military bases.

[@nicholauscrawford7903]

Since you studied economics, what do you make of the Creature from Jekyll Island?

[@MarloFan]

These long-form interviews are thoroughly fascinating, many thanks for uploading.

[@douglasroseveare7295]

Amazing. There is so much information in this video it is literally staggering.

[@kehrtum1]

WOW! The 39 million Candians and 342 million Americans NEED this wisdom discussed by these two Wise "physicians" of North American society ... past, present and future! Thanks for this.

[@glenf6639]

This was absolutely incredible! It felt as if we only scratched about 1% of the surface material that these two could enlighten us on. I truly could listen to them forever. I’m a massive fan of VDH and JP.

[@glenf6639]

@@MikeFuller-ok6ok You and 99% of the rest of us. :)

[@tlindsay1007]

Hear, hear!

[@romanianhustler3309]

@@glenf6639 they’re zionist puppets. Neocons

[@joeday4293]

Honestly, they should put out one of these per week.

[@timeno1763]

Their shared combination of intelligence, education, and articulation is wonderful. Refreshing that as brilliant as they are, neither of these gentlemen is educated beyond their intelligence, as most on the left are.

[@johnburton9772]

As a retired psychologist who also served as a second-class, adjunct professor at 2 institutios across my 40-years, I recognized the veracity of the observations and opinions of Drs. Peterson and Hansen on the devolution of higher-education in America. I share their unspoken sadness and alarm! I am grateful for the rigorous doctoral education I received at Purdue University. I wonder if standards and rigor still exist in some institutions in America?

[@stephens1950]

No Brandon destroyed that

[@Lavasalsa1]

Some individuals homeschooling are working to keep rigorous education alive.

[@joesouthborn2960]

Thank you for sharing insights into your professional development, and your growing uncertainty that educational goals have remained the core focus of tertiary education. If you have further observations or critical questions, please feel free to share them. I've walked a similar road... though a lower road. It helps to see parallels, in order to understand how manipulative the system has become. Perhaps awareness is a useful point to arrive at. At least that.

[@scottsmith81]

Hillsdale?

[@westwest6985]

To answer your question, one only needs to watch a few senate confirmation hearings on those the Biden administration has nominated for high level governmental positions. Sadly, many of those are lifetime appointments.

[@bjohnson535]

Wow!!! Simply superb on an erudite plane. This is such a timely and necessary dialogue that is desperately needed in the marketplace of ideas. Especially given these trying times we find ourselves in. Thank you, DW

[@hungrygarfield]

Thank you JBP in fleshing these ideas out and putting them in terms we can understand and use