Patriot SAM vs Chinese Subsonic, Supersonic, Hypersonic & Ballistic Missiles | DCS

We test CH's latest Patriot Pac-2 GEM/T and Pac-3 MSE mod against Chinese CJ-10 subsonic, YJ-18 Supersonic and YJ-21 Hypersonic missiles as well as a generic ballistic missile.
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0:00 Overview
1:33 Unit Patriot Details
6:21 Scenario Details
8:33 Subsonic CJ-10
13:40 Supersonic JY-18
18:15 Hypersonic YJ-21
23:30 Ballistic Scud
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[@JYF921]

“Patriot has a 70% hit rate. 3 patriots have a 210% hit rate.” 😂😂😂

[@majingwei]

I know that reference lol

[@dexlab7539]

US ‘math’ skills 😂

[@JYF921]

@Yang Ji but the strawberry major general clearly said so on TV xD

[@martineriksson8445]

@Yang Ji r/woosh

[@lexzie9568]

210% out of 300% dummy

[@wolf06291980]

It's awfully hard to hit something when the radar is placed behind a hill on a downslope where it has almost no line of sight to the target. Remember If you cant see the radar from the missile, the radar can't see you. (in game) 17:36

[@MitsukiTakeda]

Yup. Radars that are low like that should be put on the highest point of the hill with the missiles lower if possible. I'm sure if the radar were on the top of the hill versus downsloped, it would have had a better chance at getting a solution on the ground huggers.

[@ghoffmann821]

*places radar where line-of-sight is impossible* "These missiles are unstoppable, viewers!" Lol

[@cassius_eu5970]

Huh? You can clearly see the radar from the missile, and the radar is not placed behind a downslope, the terrain is simply slightly uneven. But since you can see the radar from the missiles that's not a problem.

[@ghoffmann821]

@@cassius_eu5970 I suggest glasses or contacts. The launchers are not the radar.

[@montys420-]

​@@ghoffmann821 watch the latest tests of SM2 smacking supersonic sea skimming target drones! Sm2 is the oldest missile in nato use and had the abilty to be upgraded to intercept these just fine!

[@zahnatom]

CH's modeling is absolutely outstanding

[@pkwiththepros]

This guy is amazing!!! Really piecing all my favorite systems together. A few years ago I had only the stock s-300, patriot, and the ships that came with the game. Now I have so much more stuff to fool around with.

[@pahtar7189]

The key to intercepting low-flying targets is to raise your radar. In this case you placed the radar trucks such that there was a low hill and the ship blocking much of the view in the direction of the attack.

[@LondonSteveLee]

The other key isue is to steer the interceptor before burn - an issue with most western VLS launched missiles.

[@Sardaukar240888]

I don't play DCS (but I very much enjoy watching GR and GS) but just wanna say CH is an absolute boss for making such high quality mods, so often, such a variety of mods and for free. That good sir, is cool as hell. If you should get some time.... a sneaky USAF F-111 family and RAAF F-111C wouldn't go astray 😉

[@rhysmoffitt6602]

At this quality I'd pay for that, well the RAAF one

[@krismcgrath2816]

Pig!

[@royjames8593]

Great job! I'm surprised nobody has modeled the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) in the game yet. It could be a nice project.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Having THAAD in DCS would be great! We could finally create a more realistic SAM coverage for the US.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

It’s incredible how much CH has added to DCS. However, there are a few things that don’t seem right about this Patriot. I’m highly dubious about the claim that Patriot can only track 9 targets. Especially in case of launching the PAC-3 MSE, which has its own radar in the missile. It’s important to remember that the Patriot has been constantly upgraded for the last ~40 years (mostly through software updates but hardware has also received quite a lot of changes while retaining the same designation. Most often the changes were small but sometimes the upgrades completely reoriented the system towards different threats, i.e. in late 90’s or early 00’s the scan pattern of the radar was changed through a software upgrade to be better suited against TBMs at the cost of somewhat worse results against airplanes) so some limitations that might have existed 20 years ago may no longer exist today. It’s also important to remember that the AN/MPQ-53 was the first Patriot radar and the AN/MPQ-65 was already a huge upgrade in capabilities, which was made even greater by the AN/MPQ-65A. It also seems that the AN/MPQ-65A radar’s model is wrong. To the best of my knowledge, the A version’s array doesn’t look like its predecessor at all-AN/MPQ-65’s PESA array is shaped more or less like a circle viewing from the front, like the one in DCS, while the MPQ-65A’s AESA has a larger area and it’s shaped like a rectangle, viewing from the front (the upgrade from 65 to 65A used mostly the same vehicle but the old array was taken off and the new one was mounted in its place + the two smaller arrays were added to give Patriot the ability to look behind the radar but at a decreased range).

[@rileymorrisroe6743]

I agree, i think that the PAC-3 MSE was underated in this simulation, but also at the same time, it makes up for it being highly overated in others. But PAC-3 MSE was specifically designed to defeat SRBMs/MRBMs and was also designed to be effective against cruise missiles aswell as IRBMS and a relatively capable defense against ICBMs. Its a terminal phase BMD system, i dont think all of the SCUDs would have been intercepted, as the Patriot simply wouldnt have fired at the 2 SCUDs that missed, but i also think it would have been a bit more effective against the 16 YJ-21s, obviously not a 100% PK, as that many missiles at the speeds they were travelling at would simply overwhelm the Patriot and its radar, but i think it wouldve been more succesful than it was, especially given the AoA of the missiles. But against the ground skimming cuise missiles, that was very accurate, and even if the radar had LOS i doubt it wouldve made a huge difference given the PAC-3 MSEs booster. I hope they find away of making the AI follow the usual AD doctrine, which is 2 missiles per target (usually the case).

[@manjisaipoe517]

Great vid and thanks for all your work CH. Peace.

[@alexandrebelinge8996]

CH is a valued moder !!

[@Orieni]

Valued moderoid?

[@sulyokpeter3941]

Currenthill is such an amazing modder! Can he do the UK SAM Land Ceptor(Sky Sabre)? I know is a shorter range SAM, but it might be very good and effective against missiles too.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Some other cool things for CurrentHill to add would be the American C-RAM system (LPWS), or maybe one of the newer western SHORAD systems, like the ADATS or the American M-SHORAD with the newest version of the Stinger (or the newest Stinger on its own), or maybe one of the never adopted systems which seem pretty cool, like the LAV-AD.

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

Question for Cap and CH: Would you get a different result if the Patriot systems were networked with American AWACS? (I strongly suspect they would be, and this might explain why American Patriots don't need a giant boom to mount their radars on, because Americans assume control of the skies over the Patriots). You might also assume they would be networked with F-35s. Question 2: What would happen if F-35s supported the Patriots by launching AIM-260s at some of the incoming supersonic and hypersonic Chinese missiles? (It's good to be the king of the skies). What if we also had some little drones with sidewinders loitering around the area?

[@92HazelMocha]

​@@MaxIsStrange1 C-RAM is coming to the core game via ED, ADATS never entered service (also that was 20 years ago so definitely not new). The only real modern American SHORAD is the M-SHORAD Stryker and thats basically just a humvee avenger with a radar.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

@@92HazelMocha ADATS was adopted by Canada in 1989 and they retired it in 2012. I said “newer” not new, and I was referring to M137 VADS from 1967, and Gepard from 1976. Btw. the F-4 Phantom also comes to DCS as an official module but that never stopped modders from adding it anyway.

[@grimreapers]

Gabriel, great question and honest answer is I don;t know. I know S-400+ from Russia can, so I suspect US has some capability.

[@KibuFox]

One of the things, with this kind of defense, is it wouldn't just be the patriots. With this type of system, you have a layered system, so to engage the faster, lower flying missiles, you'd also have some C-RAM defenses scattered around to engage anything that the patriot system can't. It would be interesting to run this simulation with those present as well and see the overall effective nature of the faster chinese missiles.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Thanks CH! great mod :) Good test Cap

[@texasknight5175]

These launchers look like they just came from the detailing shop. Love it!

[@beanhavok2287]

I feel like this is a Demolition Ranch video and the .22lr penetrants the target on the VERY FIRST SHOT...

[@BobH809]

Hey Cap. The SCUD's were also fired at and hit Riyadh. The place I was living at during the build-up to the first Gulf War was on what we called Government Street. Lots of government buildings. During the war I was lucky enough to be back in blighty but some of my fellow workers remained in the city. One of the SCUD's hit a government building across the road from where we all lived, just as someone was coming in through the large glass doors, which shattered. I have a picture of Patriots (launched from near the runway at Riyadh air base) destroying a SCUD over the city at night at 21:29 on the 24th February over Solomania. This was one area we used to go for 'posh' shopping. Watches, stereo's etc, cheaper. The first Patriot destroyed the SCUD and the second Patriot was self destructed later to cause less damage from debris. I think the Pac-3 are better. What a machine CH is, making all these Mods.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@rileymorrisroe6743]

Ive seen this instance in a video on youtube, and its exactly why 2 missiles are fired per target, the Patriot does misfire often, but it makes up for with a high PK per missile. Take Ukraine for example, 12-14 incoming missiles fired, 32 Patriot missiles fired, we have evidence of one catastrophic failiure. I forget how many failed launches, but if my memory serves me correctly, there were about 3ish. So 4 of the 32 failed, how been shown to fail, and of the remaining 28, they intercepted 12 missiles (they didnt intercept 2 because we have video evidence of likely 2 Kinzhals hitting near the Patriot site, one missed the site and the other hit near a Patriot launcher i believe). So thats 28 for 12 -13 missiles (the Kinzhal that missed may have been deflected by the Patriot), so for the most part 2 per missile and for atleast 2 missiles and at most 4 missiles, 3 CRIs (or standard PAC-3s) so its hard to judge PK, but based off of this it seems pretty good, and a similar PK to the instance that your describing.

[@motordyne_super37]

@@rileymorrisroe6743 correction older patriot misfires especially the ones the US gave Ukraine and Saudi Arabia

[@rileymorrisroe6743]

@@motordyne_super37 This is true, i've come to the same conclusion over the last 4 months.

[@virginccyy7645]

These are my favorite set ups!

[@Anarchy_420]

CH wish list-- Me262, P-59, YB-49, X-15, X-43A, X-51, X-60, HTV-2, F-15SE Silent Eagle, NF-16 Vista, F-16XL, F-18 HARV, BLU-118B, BLU-129, Expeditionary Ship Interdiction System with NSM, Littoral Combat Ships with NSM, Avenger Air Defense System, C-Ram, Rheinmetal Skynex, IM-Shorad, DE M-Shorad, SM-6 Block 1B, Switchblade Drones, Zumwalt Destroyer with CPS Hypersonic Missiles, Hypersonic Blitzer Cannon, RQ-4, MQ-20 Avenger, MQ-25 Stingray, MQ-28 Ghost Bat, XQ-58A Valkyrie, X-47B, RQ-180, AEGIS Ashore, AGM-129A, B-83, HAWC, HACM, AGM-183 ARRW, and LRHW!👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Almost forgot about The SR-72, NGAD, F/A-XX, B61 Bomb, and X-37B Spacecraft would be cool af!👍 I'd also love to add The X-41 Common Aero Vehicle and MAYHEM! However I dont think there's even an artist rendering and or really any info... Plus GAMBIT Rotation Detonation Engine/Missile!

[@Alexa-hh8so]

nice video again!

[@johnsmith-gk4td]

CH has mad skills!!

[@lightbenderga2017]

Gotta love Patriot, phenomenal system.

[@manyminichin]

YJ21 is claimed with a flight speed of Mach 6, and a terminal speed of Mach 10, not the other way around.

[@Stinger522]

Yeah. I just looked up the YJ-21 and you're absolutely right about the terminal speed. Looking back on past naval battle simulations the GRs have conducted, there is no way in hell the blue fleets should be surviving hypersonic missile barrages without a scratch with current tech given that terminal speed.

[@grimreapers]

Will pass onto CH.

[@lenthokchom]

​@@Stinger522 there is no way to shot down the yj21 in real life.

[@Stinger522]

@@lenthokchom At least until DEWs become more powerful and available.

[@marinuslubbe3993]

CH really brings a lot to this channel. Although ( I have pointed out this again in the past ) I have the feeling you guys have seriously nerfed the YJ21 to unrealistic levels. Here it was barely going mach 3 when it hit the target which is way too low. Stated terminal speed is mach 10 which, I get it, may be too much and you don't feel it is realistic to model it as advertised but something in the area of mach 5-6 terminal speed would be fair.

[@XiaoFeng347]

yj21合理的推测是末端再入大气层时速度会降至6-8马赫，而且最重要的是yj21是可以末端小幅度机动的，这点在dcs里面好像并没有体现，dcs的拦截模拟太过乐观了。🙂

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

In the high altitude arena, the air gets too thin for guidance corrections unless the thrust vectoring is still burning.

[@georgjetson4195]

improper radar placement plus you failed to ripple fire and they are always deployed with the support of multiple sensors. BUT that said this is one of my favorite youtube channels Thanks for all the work you put into making your simulations so realistic!

[@christopherwestbrook3534]

-phashed array radars looking up from down slope blind to the Horizon…how did it not hit that sea skimmer?

[@jdickson1234]

Way to go CH!

[@bourbonbrigade]

Thaad, SBX, UEWR, AN/SPY6 (V)1 would most likely all be in play depending where they are, not to mention all the satellites. SBX-1 was deployed in 2017 when NK was acting up then it left Pearl in 2019 for parts unknown.

[@steffenjespersen247]

A question: Does DSC actually look at a track like the scud and identify it as a ballistic approach and not just a "current speed and heading" if not that could account for the PAC3 going to high, as it did not predict it would go in a ballistic arc. I do belive modern systems take this into account, that if they see a ballistic approach they will not do a standard "heading and speed" track but predict the curve on what part of that curve they should intercept.

[@grimreapers]

No idea TBH. It's all locked away.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Yes that's exactly what's happening.

[@rileymorrisroe6743]

Modern systems can tell the speed, altitude aswell as size and trajectory of the target, so it would be able to understand whether its whether its a fixed/rotary wing aircraft, or a cruise or ballistic missile. Also, the missiles are guided by active seekers (active radars) and so can detect course variations themselves.

[@grasstreefarmer]

I don't know if its modelled but it looks like the radars are positioned behind a small rise that could be limiting their view of low flying objects.

[@petertyson4022]

I think the models and graphic are brilliant. 👍😊

[@haytorrock3312]

See the text on the thumnail and im wanting to go "another dimension - another dimension...."

[@bloodreno]

"just for the Lolz, and you know I like the Lolz" I can appreciate this lol

[@jansenart0]

Of course, the Patriot operators said they put the objective between the battery and the enemy.

[@maxlin3442]

We do operate upgraded E-2C AWACS, so the cruise missiles would be seen way earlier

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

CH does great mods. FYI, Canada and the US are upgrading the DEW Line.

[@ryangraber7929]

I'd be curious how it would have played out with the yj18 if the radar had been closer to the cliff face

[@timbaskett6299]

It probably isn't public but I wonder if the Patriot system is linked to the "in theater" AWACS, and that is the reason why they don't have the giraffe radar with the SAM sight.

[@arrogleinadtra]

Hello Grim Reapers, im new to this missile things and im very interested at these stuffs, my first fav Sam was the s 75 dvina sa-2 guideline when i was like 7 years old follwing the mim 104 patriot

[@krismcgrath2816]

Place the radar/battery on the cliffs a few kms ENE of the current position and I suspect that the hypersonic scenario would have been a very different scenario.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

‘Fraid CAP is fired as a SAM placement OC. Put the radar on a Hill!! 😊 Oh and ten miles ahead of the missiles???

[@JonathanHStone]

I'd like to see these tests with integrated systems, AWACS, pickets, etc

[@jeroenk3570]

Yes please.

[@jdickson1234]

That was fun. It usually is.

[@ROTNReaper]

Yes, the EPP III is a dual 150KW generator set. The only thing it does better then provide power is burn and leak oil

[@fredflinston41]

Rapier SAMs mounted on cliffs above and around Port Stanley could not shoot down enemy aircraft below the hard deck ( below the the altitude of the cliffs).

[@montys420-]

Needed to put that radar in front of the batteries

[@javiermoya2801]

I would be curious about an land based AEGIS system with SM6 and CSSM capability to mimick a ship. Since obviously it's not possible to have to basically teleport destroyer and cruiser flotilla to intercept a massive Salvo from a first strike.

[@Jeffrey.1978]

@Javier Moya - They have one of these in Europe - I won't say where. It is called Aegis ashore.

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

That is real and in service, AEGIS ashore

[@Michael-rg7mx]

Can the weapon system work using the net? An AWACS could see the missiles earlier.

[@RedneckRapture]

If I'm remembering correctly, the American Patriot System also uses an uplink to US satellite based radars up in orbit. Edit: Nevermind, that system (AIAMD) is still currently in development, though it's had a series of very successful tests and is expected to enter into production status soon for the Patriot.

[@motordyne_super37]

Patriot does use satellites but the uplink is still under going test

[@jokiejoker2011]

The scuds were aimed by coordinates and guess-timated range by the amount of fuel put in

[@bonedoc4556]

Hey let's put our radar at sea level, what could go wrong?

[@Stinger522]

This was a great video, GR. But hypersonic missiles do not slow down in their terminal phase. That is why everybody and their mother sees them as both a big threat and a must-have. For future naval battles, you should up the number of 0-55s to eight in order to get more hypersonic missile shooters on the board and give the Russian Gorshkov class frigates the Zircon hypersonic anti-ship cruise missiles which they do carry IRL.

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

They actually would have to do that against certain target profiles. Against non-fixed targets or fixed targets that demand high degrees of precision (thus necessitating SAR mapping) any missile traveling at hypersonic speeds needs to do a pull up maneuver to rid itself of the plasma sheathe that forms at hypersonic speeds in-atmosphere, since that blocks radio signals. The only cases where this is not necessary is if 1: the target is fixed and does not demand precision, thus only INS/GPS guidance is necessary. 2: It is a supersonic flight hypersonic terminal flight weapon, none of which exist in service currently. 3: it is being fed targeting information from other platforms via datalink.

[@EdGee1989]

The problem with this scenario is that the almost all areas in Taiwan that facing China, especially those that facing Fujian Province is very, very mountainous. You could argue this scenario is correct if somehow PLAN managed to penetrate the 1st Island Chains to get around to East Coast where the land is flatter, but by then every missile will pointing towards those ships.

[@ivanstepanovic1327]

In 1990s, the Israelis complained that the hit probability of Patriot against Scud missiles was unexpectedly low. Also, they claimed that there were occasions when a missile would be hit more than once and it would still reach the target (or close to it, having in mind poor accuracy of Scuds). That is why they Gave up on Patriot and started developing their own version called Arrow, I think... Now, Americans claim the identified the problems and solved them in the meantime, but let's be honest... Americans were never much into SAMs and rely more on airforce. Now, with more missile threats they should get better at it.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Yep, spend all their money on missiles threats when actually drones are the biggest threat - due to accessibility and the difficulty in tracking manufacture and storage. But this would follow the standard western doctrine of wasting money always fighting the last war again.

[@willwozniak2826]

Wow I'm impressed...I didnt think current defenses had a chance to intercept Hypersonic Missiles...OUTSTANDING!

[@nepenthy9804]

"Hypersonic missile" means the capability to maneuver and track at hypersonic speed

[@willwozniak2826]

@@nepenthy9804 yes We all know what they can do buddy, they say it's impossible to to shoot one down as proven on this experiment....🤔...the current air defense looks like they do have a chance.

[@dm1i]

This is just a simulation based on publicly available data. In a real life things may be dramatically different.

[@MandolinMagi]

It's not really that hard a problem, the hypersonic is really obvious and can't even think about maneuvering. If you can shoot a regular missile, you should be able to shoot a hypersonic. The biggest issue is detection, if you can detect it in time the intercept is simple.

[@youarebreathtaking903]

Seems like yj21 reaches mach 3 while reaching the target in the game. While the touted ability by the chinese is mach 10

[@ofir123456789o]

I wish the Arrow anti ballistic missile was possible to model, but I think it's too classified, and there are almost no details about it.

[@Wolfe351]

did it miss the last 2 scuds or did the system say they r going to miss anyway.....

[@martindice5424]

No mast? Maybe because AWACS or sats are built in?

[@zakiboug6685]

The best part that scud ballistic missile is cheaper than a pac 3 missile

[@gibbo_303]

if CH reads the comments then pls make the 9K720 Iskandar ballistic missile if it is even possible to do that in game, I assume it is because you made the YJ-21

[@JustinLee-pz7su]

I used to be stationed at RAF Lakenheath when we converted from F111 Ardvark to the F15E. (1990s) Desert Storm and the original attack on Libia. I always wondered of the F111 could have delivered tac nucs or other bombs on major Sovial Targets without being seen. They had a map of earth program/radar system. Could they have evaded Soviets Radar and delivered? And/Or what would have happened in Libia if they know we were coming? (More interested in Soviets battle)

[@tomsoki5738]

Interesting point about the height of radars, even the British ground based CAMM SAM’s radars are raised massively above the ground, so it’s not a East vs West doctrine difference. And of course on warships the radars are always on the highest part of the ship. My only guess on the reason is the Americans assume they will have AEW assets in the air 24/7 if they ever properly need patriots

[@dougmuti3850]

Would love to see a video scenario that tests a replica of Iron Dome vs PAC 3 or Iron Dome vs US naval fleet anti missile system (sm6 sm3 essm). And lastly, can you create something that resembles Israel Iron Beam defense system?

[@bonedoc4556]

Well, dome is shorter range system so difficult to compare.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Idiot Biden pulled out of Iron Dome in his first week in office - the tech in that project is critical to near term US capabilities - it's currently the only system that predicts where the aggressor will hit and ignores threats that have a current flight path towards low value targets. Pissing off Israel and pushing cutting-edge western armed Saudi Arabia into the arms of China was great work - well done Joe! I'm sure there will be ASRAAMs, Brimstones, Meteors and link16 modules sitting in Chinese and Russian labs within months - and given they will all be used in common missile applications finding their secrets is a disaster for the west.

[@ROTNReaper]

Speaking from a US patriot operators perspective, but I'm not sure what the Swedish have, but that is not an AN/MPQ-65 radar

[@virginccyy7645]

If the trajectory of the Scud isn't in the zone the Pac3 missile will not fire!

[@nigeldepledge3790]

That Scud's launch time might be terrible by today's standards, but it was nevertheless a huge leap forward from the V-2. A V-2 rocket took at least an hour to go from parking the missile-cerrier to launching. This was because the V-2 used liquid oxygen as its oxidiser, which couldn't be stored in the missile (it would all boil off in a matter of hours). So let's give credit where it's due. The Scud, of course, had about the same accuracy as a V-2, though . . .

[@tarrencesun1539]

Hi GR, isn't the yj21's terminal phase mach 10

[@LondonSteveLee]

Something doing mach 10 near sea level would break up - particularly if you tried to steer it.

[@timblack6422]

It’s a GREAT DAY!

[@gregmcgonigal363]

What would change if an AWACs was in the area? Is anyone currently working on a THAAD or Aegis Ashore?

[@jantschierschky3461]

Think those Patriot batteries would have multiple protection systems eg land-based phoenix

[@miauwgabriel3547]

Actually, Taiwan has it's own version of Patriot which was TK-I and TK-II.

[@randomdad8116]

Now do the naval lasers and railguns!

[@miauwgabriel3547]

Hello Cap, recently Currenthill created the Tor missile system pack, as it includes Tor M2, M2K and M2M. If you have time, that can you make a video about it?

[@grimreapers]

Yup recording tonight :)

[@miauwgabriel3547]

@@grimreapers Just to make sure that you do not also miss the T-80M and T-64 by CH or Currenthill. I used it in Combined Arms and was super fun and cool.

[@LondonSteveLee]

What isn't modelled in DCS (because it's not a sim) is the fog of war created by successfully intercepted missiles. The fragmentation cloud from an intercept will act as chaff cloud for a few seconds - giving other missiles on a similar flight path a clear run where they cannot be tracked by RADAR for perhaps 1-10 critical seconds - or at the very least will interfere with the ability to track them. DCS RADAR sees through these debris clouds as if they are not there.

[@Cadenkellner23]

If the radar was placed on a hill it would have a better shot at the yj 18

[@a..c..2469]

I'm learning to operate aircrafts now with flight simulator controls because I found what I'm doing until I can't do it anymore❤

[@virginccyy7645]

Why don't you use Awaks to see how it does with the Yj12 low flying missile?

[@hughmungus2760]

the YJ12 would actually make more sense here because there are land attack versions of the YJ12 and its predecessor the Kh31P is a dedicated SEAD missile.

[@mortoopz]

I have zero military experience, but I do have some engineering experience..... so: The US radar systems not being up on big poles is probably them using atmospheric bounce to see round corners. Probably. Don't quote me, but..... probably.

[@MandolinMagi]

Also, AWACS is kind of the US's thing, so the dedicated missile radar is slightly less important than the dozens of networked radars feeding the command vehicle.

[@Zalthook5048]

Think that hill out front is screwing the radar?

[@vulgar_potato4992]

Finally a Lazy W emplacement!!!

[@steffenjespersen247]

Should the Radar not be placed infront to the side of the launchers so the missile launchers to not hinter its view or does DSC not care ?

[@rubiconnn]

Also there was a small hill between the enemy missiles and the radar, blocking a large chunk of it's view...

[@ROTNReaper]

No, the patriot system cannot operate with that configuration. There are reasons the Radar is placed where it is

[@steffenjespersen247]

@@ROTNReaper Ok seems strange that it is places where the individual launchers can block its view against low flying targets. One would think off-setting the radar to get an unhindered view would be beneficial. It should not be that hard in its software to take this offset into its launching calculation.

[@ROTNReaper]

@Steffen Jespersen it doesn't really have anything to do with calculations, and I can't really get more into that and still be unclassified. And normally the launchers are far enough in front of the Radar that it doesn't cause as big of an issue as it would seem.

[@grimreapers]

We've got the units un-realistically close to each other BUT in game units can see through other units, so doesn't matter.

[@williamroberts6803]

Can an awacs tie into the radar to see them further away?

[@dirkaminimo4836]

You all the see the sand dunes, blocking the low line of sight targeting? Had there been no dunes targeting would have been much earlier. Run it again

[@castlekingside76]

The US can fly F35s and use their radar, and use Link 16 to relay coordination numbers to the SAMS

[@trcostan]

What about all the EWRs they would really have on mountain tops! They can cue the system! The giant UEWR they have would be huge in a missile attack!

[@pahtar7189]

Patriot is designed not to waste firing at missiles that would miss.

[@Umbreona]

It was Kuwait not Israel. The SCUD was not meant to be a real weapon. It was supposed to be a target drone.

[@MandolinMagi]

No, SCUD was an actual wartime missile. It was just really early, and thus from a time where a CEP of a kilometer was fine because you were probably using a nuke or chemical head

[@drewfierman3834]

patriot is a bit undermodeled IMO, but great video!

[@LondonSteveLee]

Try telling that to the Saudi's - they may say the opposite.

[@martindice5424]

And Saudi got Scuds.

[@Aeroman08]

PAC-3 is very effective against low altitude short to medium range ballistic missiles, such as SCUD missiles. Notice none that counted got through. The ones that did were not a threat and it's likely that PAC-3 calculated its trajectory and determined that they weren't a threat, thereby not wasting any further missiles on them. THAAD is most effective against the Medium and Intermediate range ballistic missiles that fly at altitudes outside of the atmosphere. It can engage targets at over Mach 8 at altitudes of nearly 500,000 feet. It also has a much larger engagement radius.

[@paulybassman7311]

Would YJ18 fly over other ships in its path to get to the target?

[@grimreapers]

Not in game, no idea about real life.

[@curtismayfield7190]

Valued viewer !!

[@grimreapers]

Hi

[@xterra4hire]

Not to mention you took awaks out which would absolutely be in the air

[@evangalinsky2499]

Should have placed the radar away from the site on top of a hill like it would have been irl. It wouldn't be way down where the site is, let alone behind it so the launchers themselves block the radar like you did here.

[@lohrtom]

The old SM-1 SAMs had a plus us or minus 100 feet kill radius Also, the earth is NOT round. It’s flat. I read it on the internet.

[@jacobchandler2083]

Need a cRam there with the pac battery

[@LondonSteveLee]

Which will hit what? Possibly the sub-sonic threats - if you're lucky.

[@billisaacs702]

I have no idea if it's modeled, but I noticed that the radar was behind one of the missile launchers. Its line of sight to the first, low flying missiles appeared to be almost perfectly "blocked". Is that a real issue in game, because it seems that it would be in real life. I would think (and I know nothing about this) that the radar would be placed such that its energy would have an unobstructed view along the threat axis. That may have an effect on the low flying missile scenario. This is way out there quasi-speculation, but there are rumors of radars in the U.S. arsenal that can "see" over the horizon, all very hush-hush. Perhaps that's nonsense. It would explain the low height of the radars, however.

[@grimreapers]

In game all units can see through all other vehicles.

[@Cadenkellner23]

what mods are in the works

[@Gunfreak19]

Mabye he can make a mod so ground fire is less silly unrealistic with AKs hitting planes going 500knots perfectly in the cockpit from a 1000 meters.

[@deadmeat8754]

Your placement of the Patriot radars was sub-optimal. For sea skimmers you should have positioned the radars closer to the cliff/ridge instead of inland, which allowed the very low altitude missiles to effectively travel in defilade. Overwhelming an AD battery is standard practice, not a new concept. Hyper-sonic makes the calculations and timings more difficult for AD batteries. As always, the modelling is fantastic. Great work CH !