What Can Beat Israel's Iron Dome SAM Defence System? | DCS

[@idfmodsproject]

Hey Grim Reapers, The Iron Dome is not designed to intercept ballistic missiles. its not a bug just how the system works simple research before the video will get you all the answers. The code for the interceptor path is made for rockets trajectory. that's why it didn't manage to intercept Harms. that will be fixed in the next update. Iron Dome in real life only intercept rockets, UAVs and cruise missiles. any other target will be intercepted by David Sling. Thanks for the video but a lot of wrong statements and misleading information.

[@grimreapers]

Roger noted, please make David Sling now and we'll give that one a test on the same targets.

[@arnoldjohnson3317]

Caps response is classic. Why I watch.

[@emmata98]

Aren't the trajektories of ballistic missiles and rockets identical?

[@aeroil-3802]

Not true.. Couple of years ago iron Dome successfully intercepted short ballistic missile from Syria above hermon mountain. It was revealed by multiple sources and probably was a missile from the fateh family (around 500km range)

[@osher87]

What about HIMARS? Iron dome should be able to intercept them

[@odedmartial-arts1455]

It's important to remember that Iron Dome is just one part of a layered defense system. It is not made to deal with jets or ballistic missiles, to my knowledge. There are other SAMs and anti-missile systems for that.

[@rupertbe]

Including Patriot

[@jhonbus]

Exactly; It's meant to be good enough to shoot down cheap rockets while itself being cheap enough for that to be sustainable.

[@rupertbe]

David’s sling is the system that’s used to defend against ballistic missiles (like the U.S. THAD system)

[@rgloria40]

Yep, and a more important fact is the next generation "smarter" enough to build, maintain and operate" it. One indicator is how many young people actually get STEM and advance STEM DEGREES...

[@hagaislutzki3311]

@@rupertbeThe david sling is for medium-long range rockets. Arrow 3 us for ballistic ones

[@mfreed40k]

Good deal, High keeping it relevant and to the point. Let your knowledge and skill shine.

[@cockatoo010]

i believe that if a HARM looses the radar it was homing onto, it doesn't just lose guidance, it will proceed to the last known coordinates of the radar emission

[@Fatallydisorganized]

The newer versions after the C have GPS and can do that but the C only had INS and is completely reliant on the homing to hit its target

[@recoilrob324]

@@Fatallydisorganized Does the HARM have any jamming ability? Wondering if the Iron Dome missiles turning the other way is a game glitch or a result of effective counter emissions from the HARM?

[@strichtarn3228]

What he described--the missile heading to the last known coordinates--is precisely what INS is. Adding GPS only serves as a means to update the coordinates already saved in the INS. This goes for any "GPS guided" weapon; it's only a supplement to the INS in case of course drift.

[@philippk819]

Only from the D version onwards, which got GPS guidance to hit the last known position of the target. The E version additionally got a milimeter wave radar seeker.

[@Fatallydisorganized]

@@recoilrob324 it’s a glitch. DCS doesn’t model ECM to any useful degree. The most it does is give a flat distance where your aircraft can’t be tracked by an enemy radar. Which is nothing like how it should function. There is no munitions in DCS that have jammers anyway only aircraft.

[@sid2112]

*In a frightened German accent* "I see missiles turning towards me" Hehehe I felt that.

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

yes i was

[@voradfils]

I have a theory. When the missile has just been launched, the instantaneous interception point can be on the "opposite side" for a split second if the speed difference is big enough at the instant the interceptor starts guiding. At rest, the interceptor would seek to be parallel with the targets flight path (in the same direction). Whether the interceptor is able to go there depends on how well it can turn at slow speed (and not accelerate as a result), and this one looks a little overmodeled in that respect. Once the interceptor has turned in the wrong direction, the target stays out of the seeker's FOV for the rest of the flight unless wagnercode magic happens. I think we saw this type of problem with S-200 early on, where it was never able to accelerate if the target was moving sideways. I discovered later that in real life, S-200 flies for like 10 to 15 seconds without guidance to keep it from doing stupid nonsense like that. Probably applies to most other missiles, too.

[@fredericlepeltier3435]

I came to the same conclusion. The missiles always fired in the opposite heading the threat is coming from. You are right about the guidance thing. The old SA-2 (radio guided) had its guidance antenna blocked by its booster. It would only be guided after staging. Gave the SEAD of the 60's time to kill the guidance radar.

[@idfmodsproject]

We made the interception path to much real life rockets interceptions. the interceptor calculates a lot of lead and because the interception path is not tested on Harms it calculates a lot of lead and the result are flying away from the target. in terms of ballistic missiles, Iron Dome is not designed to intercept them, that's the job of David Sling or arrow 2\3.

[@casper7221]

Can you explain this in simple terms?

[@voradfils]

@@casper7221 This simplest way I can put it is that the missile starts guiding too early and too hard. Like many other missiles, it has no idea about its current or future speed and simply steers to place the target in a spot where it stays put in its field of view at that instant (collision course).

[@CyrrusNL]

Germany's lack of fun at 17:30 is not due to the lack of an aerobatics team. It's simply German doctrine. It's shown really well in the German flag. The black colour stands for work. The red colour stands for work. The yellow colour stands for work and the green colour stands for fun.

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

I an agree🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@EfftupSmith]

There's no German Aerobatics team since the accident at the Rammstein Airforce base in 1988 that gave the band its name.

[@Raptor1970]

Iron dome, the only missile that knows when to run away

[@dexlab7539]

…built by the French, question mark? 😂

[@bynrdskynrd]

To paraphrase Bill Hicks, "Here comes one of those Buick SCUDs!”

[@manjisaipoe517]

At 33:20 Iron Dome obviously mistook the fish as the primary threat, and still maintained a 94% pk. Great fun, but please rerun this test when the fix happens. Could you also try long range arty please?

[@brianmcdonald2696]

Hahaha good one

[@dexlab7539]

97% PK on Fish?! 😂

[@budgieboi8979]

Get here 17 seconds after upload, can't wait for yet another amazing video!

[@mfreed40k]

Why is it I can imagine a HIMARS MIRV-like decoy that releases several high-radar return decoys to overwhelm systems like iron dome?

[@vegancoffee]

Iskander basicaly has this.

[@mfreed40k]

​@Medonja indeed. It's mainly an idea to overwhelm something like iron dome when you're going to launch multiple rockets to either overwhelm the tracking or exhaust the stores. I believe several new missiles have countermeasures.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

@@mfreed40k - That’s why the Israelis have a layered system (aircraft, Iron Dome & Iron Beam), have Iron Dome only engage rockets that are going to hit population centers (towns, villages & cities) or facilities like Ben Gurion), and use Iron Beam that uses its own radar.

[@tauncfester3022]

Cap, your dad probably worked with my Uncle who was employed by Hughes. He drove 2000 miles round trip to be at my wedding while in the last stages of Asbestos caused lung cancer. He was a minor WWII ace in the Pacific flying from carriers.

[@grimreapers]

oof sounds like your dad is much more of a hero than mine! Nice to see they worked on same project.

[@tauncfester3022]

@@grimreapers actually my Uncle, my dad was a refinery worker in WWII, keeping the Allied's planes going with high octane gasoline.

[@emergcon]

German airshows: there was a little misshap in Rammstein if you remember....

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

Yes but that was later the Problem started in 1962 When the Display taem ,that was training for the celebration of puting the F-104 into service, Crashed cause they lost orientation in clouds and all 4 Crashed On June 19, 1962, four Lockheed F-104F jet trainers crashed east of the Nörvenich air base after the pilots had lost their orientation in the clouds. All four pilots died. The accident had far-reaching consequences for the Bundeswehr's aerobatic teams.

[@alejandrogrossi9424]

Hi Cap. The German Navy had her Fleet Air Arm, if you can call it. Of course from land bases. It was the Marineflieger. They flew F-104G and Tornado

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

exatly and the Vikings were to be right not a arobatics team by name cause in germany thay were band after many crashes the Vikings were a Disply team of the MFG2 the Marine Fliger Geschwader

[@grimreapers]

Shows how much I know about German cold war aviation, pretty much nothing.

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

@@grimreapers We are hier to help you always Cap

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

@@grimreapersP.S. Cap the Kormoran Missile is in core DCS for the German kolitition Tornadoes

[@gendo1]

The Official Simba Fan Club has concluded Iron Dome missle are esentially Jason Bourne.

[@patricklopez1799]

"IT TURNED, IT TURNED!"

[@lenn55]

The USN has had an operational laser system on a few of their ships for years.

[@andyshepherd5067]

hms york had one during first gulf war

[@TraditionalAnglican]

And the Israelis have been deploying Iron Beam, a laser based system, for several years.

[@realseif4759]

​@@TraditionalAnglican the system isn't even operational yet

[@watcherzero5256]

@@TraditionalAnglican Project was begun 17 years ago, Its been in testing for 12 years, first operational deployment expected 2024.

[@MeirBorowski-vf7ci]

The problem is that the iron dome launcher is not a 360 degree launcher, which means you have to place launchers in the direction of the launch.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Watch until the end. They tested it and it had no effect.

[@saladiniv7968]

probably finish the video before commenting, they tested it in the end and it didn't make a difference what way the launchers faced.

[@grimreapers]

We tried that in the last few minutes of the vid but it made no difference.

[@aztec0112]

@@grimreapers Ditto.

[@idfmodsproject]

That's not true. Iron Dome can launch 360 degrees. The problem is they are trying to intercept targets that Iron Dome is not designed to intercept. that's why the interceptor calculates a lot of lead and hits the ground. anything else then rockets and UAVs David Sling will be used to intercept. just misleading and wrong information in the video.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

For science, fun and boom booms. GR best!

[@mcelravys]

This could be part of the problem... "We had to remake the rockets in DCS in order for the radar to recognize them and be able to intercept them (these are limitations of DCS), so new rockets were added "

[@grimreapers]

Yup it is a known problem in game.

[@anthonyb5279]

We all saw how good Iron Dome is defending Tel Aviv. Just miraculous. The US Navy is putting it on ships now.

[@therealfearsome]

David's Sling is the system Israel uses for Ballistic Missels

[@grimreapers]

Thanks, they'll need to build that next.

[@libertyafterdark6439]

The End of Ze world reference literally unlocked a core memory for me.

[@jrizos06]

We all need to buy Cap a beer for having baby-brain and still making videos for us to enjoy after work

[@grimreapers]

I would like a beer yes please.

[@dennisd7]

It could be that because of the speed, the solution is inside the ground (or beyond the site) so that's why they run that way.

[@voradfils]

Yes, the missiles start guiding and turning before they've had enough time to accelerate.

[@squiremc]

In ballistics, precision is how closely a series of projectiles group downrange and accuracy is how close to the point of aim they strike.

[@ivorharden]

German marineflieger did operate Tornado's after the f104.

[@FlybywireTheGerman]

Yes but no display team

[@ivorharden]

@@FlybywireTheGerman it's a shame, a luftwaffe display team would be nice.

[@nick4819]

So glad modern HARM's remember where the radar was. Kind of stupid for them to only keep track when the radar is hot. Supposedly, the newer HARMs can even track a radar that has turned off and started driving away....

[@philippk819]

The Iron Dome interceptor is based on the Derby, which is the Israeli equivalent to the AMRAAM. So it's heavier than a Sidewinder.

[@wormyish]

I want to see 1990s new jersey and Wisconsin vs a modern Chinese destroyer at 25 miles Also I'd like to see you destroy different battleships/ battleship fleets with modern equipment. The high HP makes for fun videos when you try different strategies to do more damage. Love your videos.

[@roentgen571]

One reason high-powered lasers weren't practical as weapons in the 1980s was distortion from the atmosphere fouling up the aim and scattering the beam, reducing its effective range. We can use adaptive mirrors now (large arrays of small mirrors that move independently to create a lens) with real-time adjustments to focus the beam. Computers of a practical size weren't fast enough then to keep up with the rapid calculations needed back then, but that's changed a lot since then.

[@Delta36A1]

7:10 I have to be honest 4200 knots seems way too fast for the Tamir. It is a missile in roughly the same weight class and of similar characteristics to the AIM-9 so I really don't think it should be reaching Mach 6+ even more so when you consider the Tamir is ground-launched.

[@grimreapers]

Possibly why it was causing some problems with intercepting the faster targets?

[@elliesanders885]

20:12 I found that happened in my tests too, spoiler alert, but it went weird and instead of intercepting the Iskanders I threw at it destroyed the near by town for me...

[@grimreapers]

Awkward...

[@elliesanders885]

@@grimreapers It was very embarrassing for all involved...

[@Arcane808]

Hey guys, thank you for these videos, I have learned a lot about missiles from you guys

[@manosbouzetos4132]

precision is the grouping of the projectiles accuracy is how close you are on the target and recall= tp/(tp+fn)

[@watcherzero5256]

Yes, so a grouping where all the hits were within 5cm of each other but that grouping was centered around a point 5 cm to the left of the bullseye would be precise, a grouping thats within 5cm of the bullseye every time would be accurate (even if for example one hit is 5cm above the target while another is 5cm below the target giving a 10cm spread)

[@emergcon]

As for the Wasserfall V2 missile: the us later did the same. But the missiles where armed with nukes.

[@grimreapers]

Nike Hercules??

[@arkbirdarcher19]

18:01 apogee

[@markjohnson734]

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia...is where the Patriots shot down the Scuds and the warheads immediately fell and detonated within the city....Desert Shield/Desert Storm 1991

[@Scarjit]

IronDome wasnt made to target fast missles. It is layered with Arrow 2/3, David Sling and Barak 8 and in the future Iron Beam systems.

[@grimreapers]

Noted thanks.

[@watcherzero5256]

Though worth adding IronDome was optimised to hit small objects. Its just as effective targeting a scud missile as an 80mm mortar round. Another big element of Irondome is a large element of discretion based on predicted impact location to conserve ammo, it only fires if it thinks the projectile will hit something within its operating zone its been told to protect versus other systems that will just always intercept anything in their operating zone if they are capable of making an interception.

[@tadficuscactus]

I love it when you dust off the Viggens.

[@brianmcdonald2696]

Can’t be that hard of a fix. I have all the confidence they can get this done

[@idfmodsproject]

We made the interception path to much real life rockets interceptions. the interceptor calculates a lot of lead and because the interception path is not tested on Harms it calculates a lot of lead and the result are flying away from the target. in terms of ballistic missiles, Iron Dome is not designed to intercept them, that's the job of David Sling or arrow 2\3.

[@knightwarrior3735]

For intercepting +Mach-2 missiles israel has the Jericho missile that works in sync with the Iron dome , The Iron dome will not fire if the computer detects a +Mach-2 , In this case the Jericho missile will be activated to intercept it

[@tomerniderhofer5756]

Israel actually have different defense system against supersonic missile and it could in theory even intercept satellites. The active defense system is based on intercepting missiles and rockets launched towards the State of Israel. The array includes four defense systems: The "Hats 2" system - a medium and long-term (upper layer) interception system. The "Arrow 3" system - a system for long-term interception (upper layer). The "Iron Dome" system - a system for intercepting surface-to-surface rockets for short range (lower layer). The "Magic Wand" system - a medium and short-range surface-to-surface missile interception system and a medium- and long-range anti-missile interception system (lower layer)

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

I’m sure this comment section will be completely civil and contain no antisemitism at all.

[@michaelboyd7211]

Still here brother

[@zahnatom]

i wonder how it would perform against the 1990's sead attack if the f-16s fired their HARMs in RUK mode and from behind a mountain but at super close range

[@paulparker7419]

An Arc Light B-52 raid would be fun......

[@Nineshadows44]

Actually, Iron dome is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. When a missile is detected without a possible solution, the system activates all ordinance to fire in the opposite direction in an attempt to remove the chance of secondary explosions on site. Most fire at inhabited areas, specifically, people that are taking too long of breaks in their car. I mean, someone is at least going to get part way into this comment before realizing it''s total BS.

[@JAEUFM]

Hmmmm,...Diesel fighter lays down 'smoke screen' upwind of installation, blinds Iron Dome human operators, aggressors can fly in unimpeded?

[@billpeterson178]

I read that if the Iron Dome doesnt see the incoming missiles as a direct threat, it wont launch. It will just let the incoming crash into an unpopulated area.

[@Dwight511]

Yes that is true. Or if it is about to land in a Palestinian ghetto... no reason to intercept. Shalom.

[@multitimmytiger2]

"Sacre bleu! You bought the french missiles again!?!"

[@trevorday7923]

I don't think you need to worry just yet about Cap Jnr learning bad adult language..... but if you're doing the 'here comes a plane!' routine at feeding time and he bats the spoon out of your hand you can feel proud knowing your boy has become a SAM 😇

[@Headhunter_212]

YT just served me a USAF recruiting ad. For a EOD tech role. 20k bonus.

[@thereub8166]

That money shot when the viggens were flying was hilarious😂🤣😭 TAKE IT IN THE FACE!!! 🍆🫠

[@ryangraber7929]

Also moths ate 2 of my suits and one of my cashmere blankets stored at my grandma's house, is this moth defense laser system commercially available

[@squiremc]

Did the moths fly toward the lasers? After all they are a lamp...

[@Mich_Angel]

The Chinese balloon with " 中国製 - ( Made in China ) got me laughing so hard ha ha ha! Nice detail 😜😂😂😂 Entertaining videos as always. Keep up the greatness! CHEERS ! 🍺🍺

[@schlix101]

Iron-Dome missiles beginning to pull lead, then realizing that the incoming missiles are arching downwards... Iron-Dome missiles proceed to lead the turn and end up hitting friendly farms, towns and cities! Morals of the story: 1. Never place iron dome solutions close to cities or towns or even in your own territory... 2. To cause mass destruction of your enemy's soil, just fire ONE hyper-sonic missile at their iron-dome defense system! 3. If you absolutely have to have the iron-dome, set it to never defend against incoming objects that travel faster than mach 2.0...

[@Joel-st5uw]

I was 100% on "Team Grump" thinking that swiveling those launchers would save the day 😂😞

[@geekpoet7443]

David's sling and arrow are used for aircraft and ballistic missiles

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Cap, the service ceiling on Iron Dome is classified, but it’s a lot higher than 30,000’ in order to intercept long range rockets being fired from Lebanon & Gaza, and the “going the wrong way” is a glitch in CCS and something ID is not known to do…

[@grimreapers]

Roger, I wonder if he meant that the B-17 ceiling was 30,000ft? I should have asked.

[@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO]

Great stuff (Besides the mod quirks)

[@RossOneEyed]

Accurate means hitting the right target. Precise means doing it again and again.

[@WyvernFalken]

Sooo basically what I said. :)

[@RossOneEyed]

@@WyvernFalken Missed you replying to Cap when I watched the video.....damn....gotta pay more attention.

[@jackwells2924]

Seems like there was a bug in ya the iron dome isn’t designed to destroy very high speed missiles ! That’s what the arrow 3 and David sling is for

[@mediamonitor980]

The grad example looked just like any of the real footage I’ve seen of Iron Dome in action. Grad rockets fired into Israel these days aren’t coming out of a Soviet era launcher. As I understand it - many of the grad rockets are home built for the most part and fire from rails set up on the ground. It’s barely above the level of level of high power model rocketry. Regarding the debris - there’s also videos of some of that online from attacks on Israel. That debris can be dangerous in its own right - albeit far less than a rocket with a warhead hitting.

[@the_nap_king]

Iron Dome was sold to Israel by Raytheon. I guess you could call it a coalition developed weapon. I'm sure Israel has made some of their own modifications to it. Also, don't forget, Iron Dome is only one part of Israel's layered air defense. I know they have David's Sling and a few others that I can't recall their names.

[@cg9952]

do you folks ever play against growling sidewinder?

[@YuriSurfsYT]

It's like Tamir missiles are running away from supersonic missiles or they're just like "ok, we can't beat these guys so let us be with them destroying our own cities" lol

[@Vulture-1066]

You killed all the fish

[@MikeN-cs8qe]

Send a squadron of caterpillar D10 bulldozers and some EN-B paragliders next.

[@docauger2032]

does it work aginaist mortar and artillery fire

[@aztec0112]

WIP

[@grimreapers]

I forgot to say, it does not, current limitation of core game with all SAMs.

[@wheelbasemedia5814]

Question: Is one of your usual flyers the host of the DroneScapes channel? The voice is very familiar.

[@expat0149]

First saw the Vikings 104's at mildenhll when i was a kid , one went past so fast i jumed out of my skin, they were a great display team :)

[@DarrenElbert]

This video is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kennyv8660]

Difference between accuracy and persision. Lets take a rifle. You can schoot a rifle that is very percies and schoots a 1 inch groep at a mile. But the accuracy is of and it schoots that 1 inch groep of bullets 100 meters right of the target. Now you have a very persies weapon system that is not accurate.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

I get what you mean but that spelling is atrocious.

[@S1LVERflyin]

Bro how the hell did you get thru school that spelling is awful good lord

[@krypticpanda6670]

A $50 homemade rocket

[@bartlomiejswierczynski7949]

main error, iron dome depend on multiple radars to extrapolate incomming missiles trajectory. With only one radar available system will be not efficient

[@sgxbot]

accuracy is the probability of a hit. precision is how close to the target the projectile will hit.

[@Istandby666]

Have you tried to reenact chrome dome? Have B-52's fly their pattern and have a nuclear launch from the Soviet's. I forgot what it was called when the u.s. thought the Russians actually launched a nuclear strike, at least for a moment. So, basically use both scenarios. To find out how effective chrome dome would or would not have been. Then try it with the B-1, then the B-2. Or at least different era's to see the difference.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Thanks CH. Pure GR!

[@krisspradlin715]

Maybe bc the haarm is passive and I Ron domb is active...they turn their radar off when they realize that the missiles are homing in on their radiation.?

[@yogiparashara4016]

So is the Iron SAM system an in game system or a MOD?

[@gibbo_303]

It looks like when the system cant or is having trouble getting a solution it fires in the opposite direction

[@Sivalente1]

Cap, i have been personally witness to it firing down an Iranian drone. It happened in 2017.

[@grimreapers]

Amazing! I want to see it now.

[@Sivalente1]

@Grim Reapers The Israeli military shot down a Saegheh drone during the February 2018 Israel-Syria incident. Israeli media reported that the UAV's design was indeed largely based on the RQ-170, IAF Brigadier General Tomer Bar said that the drone was quite advanced and emulated western technology.[41] From Wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_RQ-170_Sentinel This is the event, if you can find more information. It was also shadowed by at least one Apache, since the drone was actually seen far, far in advance. It was shot down the moment it slid too far in to israeli air space.

[@xenaguy01]

Cap, the Iron Dome system can also intercept 155mm artillery shells!

[@grimreapers]

Amazing!

[@occamraiser]

Cap: The Star Wars program was a 'stealth' success. It effectively bankrupted the USSR, as they tried to match the research and development the Americans were doing. The current search for effective lasers is all about cost - a few quids worth of electricity instead of hundreds of thousands of dollars for interceptor missiles.

[@jaysonvincent5051]

we have a US variant apparently. its called skyhunter

[@romanostrov3040]

21:45 you mean project Nautilus? (Nautilus laser system),develp in 1998 by THEL,they called the Demonstrator, which would utilize deuterium fluoride chemical laser technologies. In 2000 and 2001, THEL shot down 28 Katyusha artillery rockets and five artillery shells. On November 4, 2002, THEL shot down an incoming artillery shell. The prototype weapon was roughly the size of six city buses, made up of modules that held a command center, radar and a telescope for tracking targets, the chemical laser itself, fuel and reagent tanks, and a rotating mirror to reflect its beam toward speeding targets. It was discontinued in 2005 Now we have more modern system,same fanctional but more compacty (Not in size of building like Nautilus was ) and its in final aprouch ,its call Iron Beam

[@haytorrock3312]

Be nice to see CAAMs modelled at some point.

[@smokeyjoe1034]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that most of the kalibr cruise missiles that were fired in Ukkkraine hit their targets.

[@Bruhvernor]

My theory is that you faced the launchers all in one direction. Perhaps if you’re going to attack from different angles set up 40 of these in a circle

[@璩語輝]

Great test Cap! It'd be pretty cool if Iron Dome is used in Ukraine to defend from lofted rockets by helicopters and Su-25s! BTW last time you did a rocket lofting video you were actually doing CCIP. The F-16 DTOS way is more like it. So now with the Iron Dome it's time to loft some rockets again? :)

[@rosiehawtrey]

As I understand it ID works best from high angles - like indirect fire artillery it expects a 50-80° down angle. I'm not sure how it'd work with flat or almost flat trajectories at short range, not to mention the mass shadow/radar cross section of the launching aircraft ballsing up the detection of projectiles if they're within the mass shadow of the copter or jet that's launching them... I have a feeling that it might go after the aircraft, not the projectile and in this case it's not what you want.

[@璩語輝]

@@rosiehawtrey To deal with these two problems maybe lofting rockets from an altitude above/behind mountains can make the trajectory better and also mask the launching aircraft?

[@rosiehawtrey]

@@璩語輝 That could work, or you could change the detection logic, but either way you're stuck with the same problem. ID is supposed to be automated so if you had flipper mode missiles they've still got to pick the right mode.. I guess you could set it up with a logic gate that says "if I detect aircraft then = low angle mode else normal" but if it screws up... Or you can have two sets of ID covering the same area, one covering ground targets and the other air fired targets (Chain Home Low and High effectively) but then you have to stop whichever one isn't needed from false triggering... Either way it's more complexity and that always causes more problems which you don't want with missile-y things or for that matter U-boat toilets...

[@璩語輝]

@@rosiehawtrey That’s very complex indeed. Hope Cap and his team can work out a way to do the science better with your thorough information sir!

[@smiley3012]

So funny using a balloon. The US had a hard time shooting it down apparently

[@tadficuscactus]

They need to make a Saab Draken for DCS.

[@gibbo_303]

34:23 the actual missile is in use but i dont think the ground launched variant (iskander-K) is

[@ParallelComparison]

I think I know what went wrong and why was Iron Dome shooting the other direction. Iron dome Is not a 360 degree air defense system this means it could be flanked from the backside and the left and right. The Iron Dome must be deployed facing where the missile and planes are coming from. Iron dome(C-dome) naval version has 360 degrees protection though.

[@MrDJAK777]

Seeing as how the LRHW has a battery deployed at Cape Canaveral as of the end of March, how long till the "can xxx system stop the US LRHW" videos to drop.

[@DrDezaro]

I though the AAM variant of the A4 (V2) was supposed to follow and IR spotlight.