The Altar Call

[@danielgaley9676]

Keep praying for my wife, Cathy. Thank you, Father, for your reflections.

[@orthodoxpilgrim6311]

I stopped drinking coffee back in 1997. It was the worst three hours of my life.

[@keytonbush3925]

lol :)

[@b0ondockz838]

😂😂😂

[@josephaggs7791]

I haven’t all year

[@coltnipps]

😂

[@RobertEmmettHenry]

Perfect! We who love have a merry heart!

[@PeterB_]

Haha, fellow Reformed Christian here and I saw the nod to Charles Spurgeon who said of his cigar smoking “I’ll know that I smoke too much when I’m smoking two cigars at once!”

[@peteroleary9447]

Getting saved is as easy as quitting coffee -- I've done it a thousand times! I'll see myself out now.

[@taasch2505]

Its now officially 1 month since i first started coming to Church after being a dorment, non-practicing Roman Catholic. I'm very happy I came to Orthodoxy. Fr. Josiah, Patriarch Kyrill, the Monks of St. Anthos, and Brother Nathanael all brought me to Orthodoxy. Their words on the Orthodox church reached and touched me at a dark point in my life years ago. It just took me time to get there. Fr. Josiah is a role model of mine now. His children must be so proud to have such a disciplined and dedicated father. I pray for him and his Parishioners. 🙏

[@robertjarman4261]

Greetings from Holy Russia 🇷🇺

[@taasch2505]

@@robertjarman4261 greetings from California my brother in Christ. ☦️

[@RobertEmmettHenry]

Here here, dear brother in Christ! Same reality and results for me and my wife of 47 years, both of us raised Roman Catholic and now joyously fulfilled in Orthodoxy! Your faith-filled REFLECTIONS through the last decade are such a blessing to us. Years ago I gave my dear wife your inspirational set of lectures on The Beatitudes for Holy Pascha... and o do we continue to listen to them earnestly, and share them with our 8 children ... and it is now time to have the older of our 15 grandchildren hear them too! You fill us with the joy that Jesus gave to Cleopas and Luke the very first day of His Resurrection as they traveled to Emmaus: INTERPRETING and explaining Scripture pertaining to Jesus. Thank you so much for this gift that keeps on giving, as do all your Reflections. We pray for you each day. Bless you now and always. And o yes ... after 50 years of drinking only fine organic whole bean coffee, preferrably from the Yirgachef Valley in Ethiopia,, I announced to my children that I augmented my range of beverages to alternate with fine teas by the pound. My patient, frugal wife just says with a smile, "Bob can get it for you more expensive." We remain head over heels in love. The greatest of my poems - a gift I asked my patron, the dear Theotokas, to give me when I turned 16 - is my ode to my wife in our holy marriage in Christ.

[@brandonhethcox5354]

I myself was also raised an Evangelial Protestant in the "Church of Christ". We had a ritual such as this. However, we did not call it a "Altar Call", we called it an "Invitation to Christ".

[@RobertEmmettHenry]

I purchased your extraordinary book, ROCK AND SAND, and I cannot recommend it highly enough for EVERYONE who heard this talk. I found it to be "required reading" for all Christians of all denominations... it shows, indeed documents, the fundamental flaws in Protestantism - one of them being the absurd reliance on emotion rather than the holy Sacraments as the basis for reunification with God. You see, I experienced a profound spiritual awakening to Jesus when I was 18. But having been baptised & raised Roman Catholic already, I had received the immense power of Baptism but lacked the strength of faith that Orthodoxy brings. The Holy Spirit graciously led me and my wife to Orthodoxy! Yes, the power of the Sacrament of Baptism kept working in us ... kept us continuing to SEEK THE TRUTH .... and so here we am now, joyous members of Christ's one true Church: ORTHODOXY!

[@McGheeBentle]

The altar call is a symptom of the ever-hurrying, ever-striving, ever-desperate emotionalism that is a hallmark of the American Folk Religion. I hesitate to even say that “their hearts are in the right place” because the emphasis seems to be on the performance, the once-act of “transformation.” I find the often slow contemplative spiritual life lived out by the Orthodox Church to be much more refreshing to the soul.

[@johnsambo9379]

The time is not the focus. It's what is in your heart

[@ishitrealbad3039]

What's mostly wrong about an altar call from my perspective, is that the preachers who make the call usually do so for their own feel good. As in they want to do this and people to call forward in order to boast about how many answered THEIR call (not God's calling). It's also hella awkward to witness when nobody is coming forward lol.

[@SimpleAmadeus]

To be fair, having come to belief in charismatic Protestantism before discovering the true Orthodox Church, when you know for sure that God exists, and you seek Him with all earnesty, these types of emotions are the closest that you'll get to experiencing what God is like, when you do not have access to the real Church, and when every presumed follower of Christ that you know is doing the same thing. I think the real test of whether the heart is in the right place comes up when confronted with the truth of Orthodoxy. Will they recognize God and run towards Him, or will they choose to cling to their own, self-centered thing?

[@NavelOrangeGazer]

Yes its a performative act done in the midst of a crowd. It involves no repentance!

[@RobertEmmettHenry]

Indeed, the final years before my wife and I converted from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy, we saw a similar process in the shallow attempt by priests to ENTERTAIN with their "homilies!" These priests really think that holy reverence is BORING, not realizing that it was an absence of the Holy Spirit that was emptying their pews! So empty ... it helped us see the gap between our fervor for God and the emptiness in this rogue breakaway remnant of the one true Church, Orthodoxy. As an Irish-American history major who had grown up loving Christ, the Blessed Mother, and the Church, I felt a keen betrayal of my faith, and of my heroic ancestors who had fled or died under English persecution. Such a sad irony, being martyred to avoid apostasy to the schismatic church that broke away from Orthodoxy based on the False Decretals! All we can say now that we found and embraced Orthodoxy is "Praise God!" for rescuing us from the unholy scam of the Vatican.

[@Mrs._Honey_bee]

This weekend I will ask my local Priest to allow my wife and I to become Catechumens. We are being drawn to the light from a dark depression of angry agnosticism that followed our separation from the Protestant church in college. We have a baby due in December, and Orthodoxy is calling us home. The future is bright! -A Husband who is using his wife’s YT acct.

[@triplea6174]

As a curious protestant, sorry you had what seems a messy experience with protestantism, trust me theyre not all like that. Nonetheless I do hope you find God even in the orthodox church ☦️ God bless you on your journey 🙏

[@robertjarman4261]

Rarely comment but this was a good talk. Greetings from Holy Russia 🇷🇺

[@mik569]

Приветствую Христос воскрес ☦️ God bless Mother Russia 🇷🇺 I am a convert to Orthodox Christianity but nobody in my life knows outside my house. I keep it secret, as I am stuck living in Canada 😭 no social media, and nobody knows I'm learning Russian. One day, I'd love to move to Belarus or Russia. To volunteer in a medical center. And be among other Orthodox Christian brothers and sisters. It is bad here, very bad. I don't feel safe.

[@raygipson8896]

Coffee breaks are welcome Father👍👍

[@davidkehrer7342]

With fear of god in faith and love draw ye near

[@bricemenaugh4828]

Coffee is Gods gift to humanity...

[@andys3035]

I recall Fr. Josiah talk about the alter call with no alter in his video about Protestantsism. That one stuck with me.

[@questionmark3583]

I'm glad that you finally decided to allow comments on your videos dear father Josiah. I'm sure that you have noticed the immediate uptick in your viewers number😉.

[@Hello-pz6hb]

So stripped-down but so edifying. I love it.

[@alexpetrovich85]

Cheers. 6:30am here and I'm listening with a cup of coffee (Nescafe Instant, highly rec 👌). Our bodies are designed to pray and this is us praying (listening is praying).

[@JayRedding12_12]

I thought I drank too much coffee. But apparently I don't because I don't drink with two hands lol Father isn't just a really good Christian teacher, but hes also a very funny lol

[@makingsmokesince76]

What a wonderful word. Thank you Fr. Josiah. Glory to God!

[@ProtestantismLeftBehind]

Ty Fr. Josiah for these videos

[@Cross0987]

When I was little and until very recently I thought that looking at the Holy Alter is forbidden. Internally I had strong, strong veneration. Now I look at it with even stronger love and respect that means LIFE. ☦

[@ConcreteReminder]

If anyone is having health issues they can not pin-point it could be caffeine consumption, unfortunately caffeine is so accepted that many can have problems (digestive issues, nerve and bone pain, heart issues, sleep, anxiety, vertigo the list goes on) because of it and not realise for years.

[@odonohoe7654]

Blasphemy

[@daverushbrook8345]

"Let me just grab a drink of coffee" "PATRISTIC NECTAR"..."Nope, not enough...just let me grab one more" (PATRISTIC NECTAR). We get the trifecta of one logo on the cup, one logo on the hoodie, and one on the coffee cup...hahah. Beautiful Logo none-the-less. :D We support you!

[@ishitrealbad3039]

7:53 exactly how i've looked at it too as someone who comes from these evangelical churches. i've only seen myself as a half Christian because I belief but am not baptised, and always found it interesting how little emphasis there is in evangelical churches regarding baptism. Baptism sort of is viewed as an after thought, like "oh yeah and you also have to get baptised". But when i read scripture it clearly states that Baptism IS what makes one a Christian besides believing in God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit.

[@b_ks]

lol I think someone has been bugging Father Josiah about his coffee intake. ☺️

[@orthodox1717]

lol, I love Fr. Josiah

[@b_ks]

Yup

[@pnsexe725]

Cosmas the Aetolian lived during the ottoman occupation period and was preaching in areas of present day Greece and Albania to the predominant orthodox population. He is very famous for his prophesies and his insistency to persuade the locals to open greek schools in order the kids to learn the scriptures of the church.

[@PomazeBog1389]

When I lived in Italy, I knew people who had 10-11 espressos PER DAY. Yes, really. So, Fr. Josiah, I'm quite certain you don't have coffee problem lol.

[@swordweaver9696]

just from the title, I thought this was going to be about being called to the clergy after explaining the phrase, I was like "that's Communion"

[@dougharitopulos9288]

Coffee is great

[@angelandres08]

Beautiful words as always dear Abouna

[@davidkehrer7342]

Orthodoxy has the best alter call

[@johnalexis8284]

are you born again?

[@mariobaratti2985]

I'm catholic and I know I'd probably be called but in an eastern rite🥲

[@johnwebb1501]

I was raised in a holiness Pentecostal church in Kentucky the alter calls were pressured with eternal hell. Too much emphasis on speaking in tongues as proof of salvation. I responded to them for 18 years and never felt saved. I thought I had no spiritual gifts. I got saved 6 years ago after wandering 36 years. Praise God now I attend the first United Methodist church. I love it’s tradition. Western Christians are becoming weak and I think America needs strong Christianity

[@NavelOrangeGazer]

That strong Christianity is Orthodoxy, come and see!

[@landry3341]

Strong Christianity certainly isn't the heretical Methodist church lol. Return to the Catholic church not Orthodoxy

[@Flame1500]

I’m sure there are good Methodist churches, but honestly Methodism in the modern era is basically church for atheists. Probably some good believers but the institutions are doctrinally courrupt

[@harispaterakis917]

The first and only church is the Orthodox.

[@dj393]

Look into your church heirarchy and what they do with their money

[@johnvanderschuit]

Protestant altar calls are pure emotionalism and social pressure Protestantism is wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle, and charismatic protestantism is the same thing but sparkly and multicolored

[@OrthodoxInquirer]

I disagree. I heard a Protestant sermon about forgiving my enemies years ago, and that we need to reach out as if we are the woman with the issue of blood, but instead of for healing, to get help in forgiving my enemies. It was a miracle to me. It's very scary to go down front. It's also embarrassing. It's testifying publicly to Christ and admitting our sin publicly. Most of the time people are crying and they are ready to surrender to the Lord and don't care what other people think. Some of the great Orthodox Saints would cry every time they received Holy Communion. If we are doing Orthodoxy correctly, maybe we would be radically changed every time we went to the alter.

[@johnvanderschuit]

@@OrthodoxInquirer doesn't matter what you felt or saw as a miracle, it was emotionalism and underlying social pressure I was a protestant for 30 years and experienced hundreds of altar calls and even participated in several You cannot liken an altar call to the receiving of the eucharist - they are two completely different things both spiritually and metaphysically If you don't understand that and the great chasm between simple emotional conviction and the overwhelming majesty and glory of being able to partake in the eucharist, then perhaps you need to do a bit more learning

[@OrthodoxInquirer]

@@johnvanderschuit Since I've not been baptized Orthodox yet, I'm just speaking from watching others. Many receive the Eucharist as just a matter of course and don't take it to heart. I'm just observing people from the outside. I've heard testimonies from people like Eric Metaxas who was Orthodox for years and even turned against God after college brainwashing. Stalin even served at the alter. That's not to say the Eucharist is not powerful, but when taken unworthily it would be best not to even take it. Certainly, many of the people taking it don't really prepare or take it seriously. I know what I experienced and if you truly repent and are willing to admit your fault in front of everyone, it's very similar to the confession described in the Bible or Didache - confessing in front of the whole church. It's not the same sacrament but the Holy Spirit is the same. He is everywhere present and fills all things. He even shows up in Baptist churches occasionally to change people's lives. He was in the burning bush, in the tabernacle, the Temple, in the Theotokos and in the chalice. I'm not going to limit Him or judge other people's experience. He somehow led a poor sinner like myself to Orthodoxy and I won't deny His working in my life before as purely emotionalism. I agree that some people are carried away by great singing or frightening sermons but that was not what happened to me that day. He actually took my hatred and anger and removed it from me, just as He takes alcoholism or drug addiction from people sometimes just with one prayer. Just as He received the thief on the cross without any baptism or sacraments. He is so much more merciful than we can imagine. St Symeon the New Theologian thought that people should have a moment when they accept their baptismal vows for themselves. You might be interested in reading his works. I have had some fairly terrible interactions with Orthodox extremists online who called Corrie ten Boom a heretic and other harsh rhetoric. I hope you're not one of those. Fr. Josiah should do a video on how ppl talk to converts and about their previous religious experiences. We should bless the Lord for everything and everyone that led us to the present moment.

[@marlamay]

My Father was a Baptist preacher and always gave altar calls. As a youth, I felt pressure to set a good example because I was the Preacher's daughter. One Sunday during altar call, the young people of the church were invited to come forward and surrender their life to Christ. At that time, I felt no need to do this, because in my heart I already had! As all the youth came forward, I stayed in my seat and felt guilty for not going forward. I felt it was a manipulation. After church when we arrived home, my parents told me they were disappointed in me...😢 Praise God I have found the Orthodox church, now!

[@toby-jeanne_almy]

Everyone asks if Father has had too much coffee.. but no one ever asks if Father has had enough coffee.. (insert Kim Kardashian Meme of not being ok)

[@billybenson3834]

Come down the sawdust trail and sling the snot of repentance

[@KazX37]

Monks in Greece at monasteries are drinking coffee on and off too, nbd

[@MrAwak3]

As someone new to Orthodoxy and former Protestant, I do find the length of time required to get baptized excessive. If baptism is required to get into Heaven, why hold it off if the person is sincere when tomorrow is not promised. God knows if someone is sincere and entire households were baptized at once in the Bible

[@NavelOrangeGazer]

Catechumens that die are given an Orthodox burial. To come into the Church without catechesis and then leave and apostatize it would be better if that person had never heard of Orthodoxy in the first place. Forgive me for being blunt but you are still thinking of salvation in the western legalistic transactional sense which it is not.

[@michaelazar9339]

It is important to be educated in the faith. Baptism is the beginning of the Christian journey and is the spiritual renewal. You need to understand the mystery and the church well enough to understand what you are receiving. The time spent is time in both preparation and education, and to experience the mysteries of Christ, you must be prepared. Although lengthy, it is imperative to truly believe what you are saying when you denounce all other entities and heresies of this world, and what you believe when you recite the creed. If you are interested in becoming Otthodox, find a parish and talk to the priest. There is so much depth to our faith, and having a priest you can ask questions will help you on your journey. God bless!

[@McGheeBentle]

What’s the rush? Wouldn’t you rather take much time to pray, carefully discern, learn, ask questions, read, and so on before such a monumental life-altering decision? I’d have to agree with the above commenter that perhaps you are superimposing a Western lens on this process. It’s very much on purpose that it isn’t an immediate decision. Better one faithful catechumen who perseveres in the process, gets baptized, and lives out the rest of her life full of faith and piety in the Church than a thousand baptized souls who then end up deserting the Church. Emphasizing numbers, speed, and “just getting it done” is not traditional nor Orthodox.

[@XIXCentury]

You're doing it for all of the descendants you might one day have, remember your sons/daughters will be baptized at birth. Hope you keep at it ❤

[@lindaphillips4646]

These are excellent, thoughtful answers. As i understand it, there used to be an average of 3 years before someone was baptized after being made a catechumen.. That signified the seriousness of the decision. And the hope that one wouldn't get discouraged and fall away because of lack of preparation and gradual change of life so that the new Orthodox life would not be so difficult.. i expect that those who have rushed into things, may often look back and wish they had had more time to grow and prepare. I do know that i can think of a few people who rushed in...and aren't at Church services anymore. A scary thought.

[@nikademos]

Father I must know where I can find one of those giant prayer ropes.

[@JohnPridgen]

There is a name for it. It is called the invitation.

[@JohnK-i7j]

I have been looking for a large knot prayer rope like Fr Josiah Trenham but with no success. Can anyone please point me in the right direction for this?

[@codymarkley8372]

I believe protestants call it an altar call because we are the altar, a living sacrifice in their theology. So a physical altar is unnecessary in their mind. Now let me ask you folks if there is a father of the church that deals with this me centered, or psuedo mystic theology?

[@pg618]

Thank God it was only once that I saw the priest turn to the people with the chalice, show it to them and then immediately walk away.

[@billybenson3834]

Apparently no one was properly prepared. He'd be condemned if he allowed them to receive

[@gizmorazaar]

What was the context for your circumstance?

[@dj393]

Our priest always reminds everyone right before serving the Eucharist that it is for those Orthodox Christians who are prepared by prayer, fasting, and confession.

[@pg618]

@@gizmorazaar I was visiting a very large very beautiful Macedonian cathedral that had very low attendance. The priests turned in the usual manner to serve communion, lifted the holy chalice up in the air brought it down and immediately walked away. In 36 years as an orthodox and having seen orthodoxy on four continents I've never ever seen the chalice not be offered.

[@BozheTsaryaKhrani]

how would one go to an alter that they dont have

[@gidget8717]

Do orthodox have confession? Maybe the alter call is something in the middle between the first step into the journey and it is often used also as a public confession of those who have strayed from the path. A call to rededicate their life. A public confession, if you will.

[@perrylc8812]

We do have confession. In my Parish it’s normally done Sat evening at the end of vespers. And for last minute confessions (if needed) Sun morning during Orthros.

[@makahiadanielle8459]

I love how basically the entire comment section is just about the coffee 😂

[@JulianLife81]

The question: how does Father drink his coffee?

[@stefanbasarab4506]

Fr. Josiah, if you feel you need to justify yourself for having coffee, then you definitely need to quit drinking it :))))

[@Bobthe0strich]

Exactly

[@kabbalisticteddy]

There must exist some people that know about these things, all of them. In the old days that was the Pope. :)

[@OrthodoxChristian809]

Coffee 😋🤗😸☦️🙏🏻

[@forestantemesaris8447]

What if the altar call includes trinitarian baptism?

[@Bobthe0strich]

Coffee/caffeine is a psychoactive drug and highly addictive. As someone who abused it for years I say be careful.

[@coldjello8436]

Algorithm boost.

[@wissenschaftkraft5075]

The father has an interesting accent? Did the father grow up around latinos or does he know spainish

[@L2A815]

How about those knots?!

[@pg618]

How sad to see a comment down below that turns into a quarrel about Macedonia. Yes human nature seems to hang on after baptism evenin in Orthodoxy.

[@irs8628]

please Turkish subtitle

[@Parmenides100]

"You drink too much coffee because you take a couple of sips in every video". Powerful logics there! ... aka cognitive bias. XD

[@georgemasmanidis5640]

Η Μακεδωνια ειναι Ελλαδα!!!!!😇😇😇

[@Will-ge7ri]

What is this ‘too much coffee’ nonsense. It’s GOOD for you!

[@deanaburnham9571]

FATHER, we know it's heavily spiked for medicinal purposes. 😅😂😊

[@Hospody-Pomylui]

You paraphrased Spurgeon... I see what you did there. 😏

[@yianniboulas9315]

Macedonia is Greece! ☦️🇬🇷🇺🇲

[@andersongoncalves3387]

Based

[@ivansince91]

Greece is Greece. Macedonia is Macedonia. Greek Macedonia is Greek Macedonia; you can call northern Greece that way or in whatever way you want to. We also call Northern Greece - Greek Macedonia. Macedonia historically was a huge Roman province that involved your part as well, and we can all use that name. Like, why do you panic over a name? Your country is obviously called Greece; nobody is taking that from you. Your people forbade mine to communicate in Macedonian just because we call our language that way(the language that was born in this area) and expelled them for that, and they still forbid the language up to this day. Macedonian is not a recognised language in Greece, although hundreds of thousands speak it. Wherever I go in northern Greece, I openly speak this language, and all the people understand and return with the same. Last time was before two weeks, and an employee in a supermarket in Florina (Lerin in Macedonian since it had a Macedonian name before you renamed it and hundred other historical places) who we had to ask for assistance on something was speaking my language fluently. This language we got from our ancestors, but you don't accept this truth. If we say we didn’t learn this language from our ancestors, we would be liars. My ancestors told me this is the Macedonian language. They spoke the Slavic language from this area and they called themselves Macedonians and the language Macedonian. Most of them were poor people but hard working and honest. None of them had ill intentions towards you and nobody understands your silly argument. It’s not just what they told us; we also have a lot of physical evidence that our ancestors called this Slavic language Macedonian. It’s not Christian to lie. We do not take anything of yours, and for the sake of truth, the Greek people expelled my grandparent and his family from their own home and land and took everything because they declared themselves as Macedonians and spoke Macedonian. The village is still empty to this day. We forgive you. But don’t you think that if you are a Christian, you need to search for and speak for the truth? God will bless you abundantly if you open your heart for us. The truth is that Macedonians who speak one of the Slavic languages existed, exist, and will exist, God willing. Not to mention that Saint Cyril and Methodius were from Thessaloniki (Solun), the city where Old Church Slavonic was invented, and we Macedonians have more similarities to this language than the other Slavic nations. This is obviously not a coincidence, considering the geographical location. It is not really hard to understand if you want, A SLAVIC ALPHABET WAS MADE IN MACEDONIA(HISTORICALLY FAMOUS REGION) AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE AND SPOKE ONLY SLAVIC CALLED THEMSELVES MACEDONIAN AND THE LANGUAGE MACEDONIAN. Why you would call that a lie, there is no way around that historical fact? You venerate saints Cyril and Methodius, but if they spoke this language right now and spread the gospel in Slavic, would you expel them as well? Like you persecuted archimandrite Nikodim Tsarknas for decades now because he is preaching in Macedonian? Let us live and call ourselves as we want; call us whatever names you want; and if you don’t want to accept us, well, let it be God’s will. I’m not here to proclaim how we are great people and how our nation is superior than yours, etc. By the Grace od God, I am an orthodox Christian who is trying a little to follow the Commandments of Christ and i just wanted to say that this hatred that you have for us should not exist if you consider yourself an orthodox Christian. I’m sure that you are better in many ways than us, but you overreact with your name, and if we want perfection, we should first call ourselves orthodox Christians and only then we can add if necessary the place where we come from… forgive.

[@pnsexe725]

​@@ivansince91Macedonia was an area with native Hellenic population centuries before this area was a province of Roman or Byzantine empire. The core of Macedonia, the birthplace if this Hellenic people, lies within the area of Northern Greece, so this is Macedonia. Regarding the language of the Ancient Macedonians that was a greek dialect. Everything else is a false copy.

[@ivansince91]

Just because the majority were Hellenic, this does not mean that other people didn't live there and still do up to this day. These people also have the right to call themselves Macedonian because they were born there; it doesn't matter if they are black, white, yellow, Christian, Jewish, etc. My city has been inhabited for at least 2300 years, and all this time they have spoken the Macedonian language. We have physical proof, and many Greeks recognize this. It's stupid of some Greeks to ignore this. I mean, I never heard someone get so upset over a name. I could call myself an American, who cares. That would be inaccurate and a bit insane, but calling myself Macedonian as my ancestors did is perfectly normal. My ancestors were killed for this name; we have the obligation to honor them and keep the name because of them. Why would the Greeks get offended because of that? They can be offended all their lives if they want, but this is not healthy and will end in disease. Greek nationalism is known all around the world. Many know that nationalists consider themselves more special than others. But guess what? Nobody cares anymore. People care about true values, care, and compassion, not about Greek history. Although history is important, of course, but giving priority to that over true values is nonsense, and they won't be able to use this famous past anymore to step over the people's heads. It's over.

[@pnsexe725]

@@ivansince91 The present day so- called allegedly Macedonian language is not spoken for 2300 years since it is Slavic and Slavs do not exist in the area for so long. It is a mixture of Bulgarian dialects part of the Slavic dialectal Continuum. The original Macedonian language was a greek dialect then the Macedonians along with the rest of the Greeks adopted the Hellenistic koine based on Attican. The problem doesn't lie on whether many different people passed through Macedonia or whether the name was used for political reasons that is for naming territories and provinces but the problem lies on fake irredentism of a people that bases its existence on stealing foreign History, history of another nation at least partially. This is why your referred to the alleged greek nationalism. People care for many different things either for the truth, others for making money and many more for nothing but mere existence and of course the problem is not the Greek history or the Japanese one. But since one is thought to be a truth seeker at least he should be precise enough. Greetings from free Macedonia!

[@pichetkullavanijaya6908]

Padre, at least you are not a drunken Franciscan or Benedictine Monk.

[@JoshOchoa-i3y]

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