Paul Mooney Warned Us About 'Tyler Perry Movies' - CH News Show

[@edreid7872]

You've seen one Perry movie, you've seen them all..

[@fyreleomh1896]

Even Alex Cross......or did you even watch it 😂😂😂

[@DevDaMan]

This is the premise for every movies he's made in the past. I swear his work is rinse and repeat.

[@edreid7872]

@@DevDaMan So true.. No rinse, just soak in the same water forever.. I must admit, they were interesting at the beginning, but as he said, I can do bad all by myself..😖

[@raczgreen6053]

Same predictable outcomes time and time again...Mea Culpa! Lol

[@edreid7872]

@@fyreleomh1896Lord no.. when I saw he was acting without a moo-moo and wig, I laughed.. when I read the reviews, I laughed even more…🤣

[@AlDavisSeriouslyLeft]

Also, not all of us live in the ghetto. I'm tired of the us embracing the negative stereotypes and justifying it with, " at least he gettin paid..." Money DOES NOT justify trash...

[@leonrobinson8180]

True. Others see money as a means to gain POWER. We see money as an end onto itself. Kanye's bank and Diddy's law firm dropped them both, proving that money has its limits.

[@TeeYah777]

Exactly

[@agentb1ack01]

Yeah, that brother on the left the dark skin brother I don’t think he’s black American. He’s just saying a lot of off code stuff like he hasn’t lived in this country and been black. He’s on something else.

[@blackcatjazzin]

Good comment 😊

[@blackcatjazzin]

This was an ‘enlightening discussion, well done all round ………..

[@FeelGoodNetwork]

It's called PROGRAMMING. Media is a very powerful medium... and the message being portrayed by this medium is EXACTLY what it was set out to do. The PROGRAMMER will use ANYONE... Oprah, Tyler Perry, Rappers, Housewives etc... to make sure that the PROGRAMMING continues.

[@msls6592]

🎯 exactly. Programming/ b r a i n washing

[@donatapowell8143]

I'm afraid this comment over their heads. Their too backwards.

[@gstringalation]

#toodeepforshallowminds

[@grammyj17988]

@network ~💯❗️👉🏾you said it👈🏾BAM👊🏾

[@blackcatjazzin]

Yes , so well said !

[@Thepharcyde4ever]

You never have to ask what a Tyler Perry movie is about. I'll give a summary that applies to all of his films: -somebody cheated -someone does drugs or is abusive -someone gets revenge Wash, rinse and repeat

[@savvystrandsxsnatchthatcat8122]

Black womens trauma porn for closeted men who hate them

[@michellelaguerre8760]

@@Thepharcyde4ever and when there is nowhere else for his storyline to go to twist. and twist again.

[@TheAries209]

You forgot going to church and forgiveness is not for them, but for you because if you stay mad, then they keep the power.

[@TheMathAcademy2024]

yep

[@rica7564]

Love it!!

[@eyeamkandake2680]

Bill Cosby showed what could happen if you go to college. Watching that and The Different World put me in the position as one of the first people in my family to go

[@NYRyder1983]

I am not following a man that drugged and raped women for decades.

[@sharittanorris4187]

I was definitely gonna say it's like the opposite of what bill Cosby did. He didn't like the perception he saw so he created something better so it can be done unless u lazy and settle for the easy money

[@benrichardson8099]

Congratulations

[@gooserich3970]

Exactly those shows gave me hope and gave me a blueprint of what to expect being successful

[@QuirkyTJones]

And it was a hit so lav is just projecting

[@ygbgforever]

I think Tyler Perry should use his platform to highlight other black writers to tell more diverse black stories.

[@acebutterfly2725]

That would increase the operating cost. If he is not losing money, what would motivate him to have other Blk writers?

[@chiefreficul9774]

he better do what he's told

[@donnytoliver9701]

B🎯m!!!!!!!!

[@lyndellrobinson3611]

@@acebutterfly2725 he hires other writers (Black ones included) already. He just has them working on his stories instead of telling their own.

[@Zan_zelee]

Tyler Perry has not advanced artistically. I mean honestly same movie different titles...

[@kimaleycreese28]

The Cosby Show was one of the most popular sitcoms consumed by black people. We need more of that. Tyler Perry has no balance. He has one concept of black experience.

[@solomonancrum5156]

OMG. That's the truth. The problem is they don't promote it. That's Why and TP is in a position to promote and he doesn't!!!!

[@Aminata65]

I agree!

[@IVY-jr7io]

Tyler is only making movies on his experience

[@ar_iii_3]

He feeds his customers is the truest statement. We consume BS and until we stop supporting BS things will never change. 😡We are the biggest consumers on the planet and we can control what is or isn’t produced to the masses 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@allisonclark223]

@@kimaleycreese28 i love it very intelligent

[@reggiebguitar]

Just because something makes millions doesn’t make it good. Lots of terrible things make millions. 🤯

[@Fredericko-k7p]

You missed his point...

[@laz0rama]

bingo! in fact MOST things that make millions are no good, imo.

[@bluu_ice6554]

​@@Fredericko-k7pwhat point?

[@bluu_ice6554]

​@@laz0ramadiet Coke makes millions and it's pure garbage

[@jaefrmbk2k]

but u not layin out whats wrong w/TP's millions

[@SandraHunter-c6u]

I'm not a part of Tyler Perry's audience but Denzel Washington makes movie that I want see, that no black person has EVER told me of. "The Tragedy of Macbeth" comes to mind. People said black people didn't see "Antwon Fisher" but oh well. Denzel Washington makes movies that will stand the test of time, well after Denzel is gone. Tyler Perry's movies are somewhat throwaways. To each his own.

[@Robbover]

Agree 100%...

[@Wrappedinhisglory]

Period ‼️

[@wi77iama773n]

Who over the age of 30 hasn't seen Antwon fisher? Denzel movies ALWAYS get major traffic. But Denzel is like the superman of Hollywood, but we need more. He shouldn't be the only one of few trying to make good black stories

[@Ms.July29]

MacBeth was released at a time when most of the (world outside the US) still had a lot of covid restrictions, cinemas were not open. Denzel's movies do well in the US but even better internationally.

[@TheRealDillPickles]

Zero rewatch value in his work for me if I even watch it 🤷🏾 I’m tired of folks reselling trauma to keep us in a perpetual state of men/women ain’t shit and/or that we’re consistent victims/criminals smh…

[@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e]

_The Boondocks_ take on Tyler Perry movies was spot on🎯🎯🎯

[@Mimi-cg2cw]

I can't watch that Boondocks

[@nicenynese]

💯💯💯

[@jerrellmackall4653]

Aaron was ahead of his time

[@felixicon]

..and Hilarious

[@barrettlafitte1966]

The boondocks. Never missed it. Loved it. I'm white sitting there watching with my jaw on the floor. 😮. Say WHAAAAAAAT 😂😂😂

[@Jonathon1031]

RIP Paul Mooney

[@saintsasha9825]

RIP Richard Pryor (IYKYK)

[@charlesmiller8299]

The internet was ready to string up Paul two days before he passed

[@informedRev13]

​@@charlesmiller8299, Right!

[@KaylasPointOfview]

RIP Paul Mooney ~ I forgot he was gone

[@itinavarait]

⁠damn really

[@ventionsx]

This is very interesting to me. I am not a Tyler Perry fan, but in my experience of running bus trips to the casinos, older black women eat his movies up. As I ask, "what do yaw like about his movies?" I get answers like, "She(character in movie) reminds me of my grandmother back in the day" or "That girl(character in movie) is like my niece going through her crazy marriage with her abusive husband). This man, who is a billionaire, creates a product that millions consume sometimes based from personal experience that speaks closely to them... except for me. His movie formulas are so tired-to me. On my bus trips, I have a "No Tyler Perry Movies" policy. There are so many other black or neutral movies everyone can watch and enjoy.

[@deemarshall995]

@@ventionsx and these are the memories he is preying on in the black community. We have evolved as a black community and that doesn’t mean we should forget our history it just means that as black people we are now more stable. We are educated and some of us are truly Spiritual. He is a slave master to his own people.

[@eggedon6112]

Y'all don't demonize White and other filmmakers for how they portray Black people. Why not? Scared?

[@deemarshall995]

@@eggedon6112 How do you know this? Also, it's for this reason that we expect our own blacks to not be like crabs in a bucket pulling each other down. But lifting each other up. This is the issue with blacks. Whites will also lift each other up even when wrong some times but black people just step on one another. We have enough movies made by white people tearing us down why do we have to do it to ourselves? What does if profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul?

[@elleh10]

I agree with the guest that said, we are all consumers. We make choices by our consumerism. Tyler Perry is talented and shows that we all can live our dream. He also casts a large number of African American actresses that we might not see. He is doing other things to lift up our community. In 2013 after a friend found out I never saw one of his movies, watching the marriage counselor provided me a new experience. I did not get up and walk out, which says a lot about my consumerism in action. I also never watched it again. I enjoyed Alex Cross. The saying "variety is the spice of life" seems so appropriate. I cant imagine a year going by without seeing Alvin Ailey dancers, Shen Yun or Universal Soul Circus. We live in a wonderfully artistic and colorful world.

[@Jerry-xs1uz]

💯 AGREED! I FEEL YOU!!!

[@deesudie]

When spike Lee was calling this out years ago, y’all told him to shut up and stop hating. Tyler Perry told him to go to hell. Oprah acted aloof as of she didn’t know what he was talking about.

[@dominiquejones3805]

Right, they told Spike he was jealous

[@generalkhan5569]

Bit when Spike was popular back in the late 80s early 90s he had his share of backroom politics when it came to dealing with black actors, besides Denzel Washington and a few other actors he really never gave any opportunities to them, and instead of criticizing Tyler he should've took him under his wing and mentored him.

[@ricol9291]

Spike called it buffoonery, because the comedy aspect was way over the top, and silly, he wasn't talking about how Tyler portrays black men with stereotypes which are always evil and or the abuser

[@deesudie]

@@generalkhan5569 is Tyler Perry a man who is receptive to mentorship and feedback? We’ve been asking for a writers room and he refuses

[@reddy11-11]

@@deesudie your right, but I believe Oprah so clueless and money hungry she didn’t know what he was talking about. Just look at how many times her and her buddy gayle put their foot in their mouths.

[@eddierascalhaskell4954]

If you listen to enough of Mr. Mooney's material, he warned us about everything.

[@rosiebrooks7685]

thank you. him and dick gregory.

[@msohsosolo]

Seriously…they told us long ago & it went over a lot of people’s heads.

[@gooserich3970]

Everything

[@dominiquejones3805]

Spike was told he was a hater 4 speaking about Tyler movies

[@yahnathantasian5152]

Including Christ being Black.

[@panamapaco5290]

Boomerang- ALL Black cast in Successful career roles throughout the film

[@mongoslade6170]

That part.

[@jdotsalter910]

That movie was so ahead of its time. I think it's because all that Black success was not even the focus of the movie, it was implied success, matter-of-fact. It was brilliant.

[@sandman1347]

God bless the 90s!

[@corey5991]

Naww it was simps and feminism all through that movie

[@shakiyagotdreams2299]

Paul Mooney never lies 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 we lost a legend

[@jonathancue1584]

Yes we did😔

[@PSICK1234ikillallracistrolls]

You all lost a man who was a homosexual who molested his friends son?

[@informedRev13]

Agreed!

[@Ms.Jamieh297]

My favorite comedian 😊❤ R.I.P PM 🙏🏾💞

[@Fruit17-ip4vl]

He told it like it was! RIP sir! 😎❤️

[@AFROBostonWriter]

We are not a monolith as a black community. Black folks do want something new, and we’re doing just that!

[@michelleelmore3974]

Not enough I’m tired of all the slavery movies I want positive feel good happy movies! We deserve that!

[@successready]

@@michelleelmore3974 Give an example of a feel good movie you would like to see that us black people will spend money on.

[@IsaidwhatISaid914]

A successful Black couple moving in the correct order. Black believable action movies, Black children cartoons. Black heroes.

[@stevenm.williams-Intergalactic]

@@IsaidwhatISaid914 Exactly! If it can be done with every demographic why can't we spend a LOT more time in the positive aspects of our journey in the Black community?! We all have different struggles in our community and as one said on this threat "we are not a fucking monolith" except they didn't use the f-word

[@ViraL_FootprinT.ex.e]

Problem is, when something new *does* pop up we turn against it & them within a few short years. That train is never late. All it takes is for one of our favorite podcasters to say something asinine that they don't like about something, and our collective herd mentality makes us turn against even the most promising Black creators and artists🤦🏾‍♂️ Damn shame. But *it does* explain a lot though.

[@ericshoffner7391]

It is a fact that our Society NEEDS more positivity. Regardless of our backgrounds or cultures. Change the perception by changing the reality, before it's too late.

[@emartinez7733]

Lav speak for yourself. I watch things with versatility and originality. Tyler can miss me with those struggle films. I never been in an abusive relationship. Never burned a man's clothes or slash tires. As a black woman his films offend me.

[@Shon1114]

Thank you....his generalities are aggy

[@maniac50ae14]

Like he said, Tyler couldnt have become a billionaire if a large segment of the community werent watching his movies

[@Rocanala]

Black folks do more than struggle, and pray. It’s the same thing as seeing countless, identical movies and shows like ‘Power’ over and over and over again

[@augustdelacreme]

UnLuved Lav needs to have several seats. His opinion was disappointing.

[@TheBreona12]

So don’t watch them

[@uploadvidz4490]

Two divorcees playing future divorcees. Touché, Tyler Perry.

[@dwendacharles5822]

😂😂😂😂😂EXACTLY!

[@leeolie3728]

Money is the root of all…

[@juju929]

& another divorcee (Richard Lawson) playing the minister. Coincidence or no? 🤔

[@JELIFISH19]

@@juju929 It's hard to find people who were never divorced in Hollywood.

[@ms.robbie7536]

@@JELIFISH19true and I don’t think Denzel will be doing a Tyler Perry movie any time soon!

[@joannecunningham7817]

Thank you guys for keeping the language clean. Respect 😊

[@ray_theindependent]

Tyler Perry became a BILLIONAIRE by portraying these negative stereotypes. At some point, he has a responsibility to maintain. TP counts on his loyal fan base, and I feel that consumers beyond his fan base have a right to be mad about what he puts out. It’s 50/50.

[@willia3r]

Tyler Perry is a capitalist who is simply catering to angry people who have unstable relationships and irrational outlooks. Unfortunately, it’s plenty of those type of people in the black community. It can’t be helped.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@lastsam9846]

Black women his audience. They'll watch anything that has black men portrayed negatively.

[@SlimeNews]

​@@lastsam9846exactly

[@SlimeNews]

So don't watch if ur not a fan WTF😂😂😂

[@ray_theindependent]

@@SlimeNewsI won’t be watching 😊

[@MissNoel82]

I think Tyler Perry movies are a reflection of his own trauma he experienced in his childhood. Him growing up being abused and seeing his mother be abused has stunted his creativity in a sense. We can only create to the extent of our imagination.

[@edsson2648]

I'm so tired of hearing about this trauma bullshit. Shit happens in life. It's how you learn to cope is what counts. You don’t get a pass because you experienced trauma. Please 🤨

[@MissNoel82]

@@edsson2648 Sounds like you need some healing so you don't have to cope. That's a huge problem in our community. No one is healing. Everyone is just bleeding all over each other. Very sad.

[@reginayfavors]

Your last line is life. Beautiful.

[@rw2698]

Or made-up trauma, in order to capitalize on Black struggles in order to enrich himself. Victimhood is real hot right now.

[@TheBreona12]

Thank you! He literally has said this a million times. People are unhinged in today’s society. Instead of not watching his movies, they tune in just to criticize everything about him and his work. Mental illness

[@Psalms1914]

The interviewer is doing a great job she's really asking all the questions😊 I think both of the men are extremely articulate it was really a pleasure to hear two eloquent men expound

[@Starbound1]

Totally! They even killed off the black panther character because the actor died! Never did that with Superman, Batman or Spider-Man

[@wintermonroe2894]

Ikr smh They can still bring him back if they wanted to ....get super created smh

[@francinefreeman9472]

Exactly.

[@airmix08]

They were going to replace him but the fans found it disrespectful to replace him. We have to pick and choose

[@TheVexedScribe]

...or...y'all can learn to make a script and be the change you want to see. Tyler Perry ain't the savior of black people..

[@Aminata65]

Isn’t he coming back in the son?

[@TheEagleKing12]

Opinions Opinions Opinions I don’t buy sneakers are jewelry. I agree with Paul 💯 And there are a lot of people who want more positive content like the Cosby Show, Movies like Black Panther, Coming to America. Show us in a better light.

[@Robbover]

Agree 100%....

[@debwright3190]

😮Paul Mooney was a legend May he rest in peace.😇🙏🏽

[@biggaboydraws5483]

I think any negative portrayal of black people deserves the same criticism! Whether it's a rap song or a Tyler Perry movie! It's time we start showing our people and everyone else in this world! That black people can be doctors, lawyers and scientists, etc! We need to show the portrayals in entertainment, that mirror the true reality!

[@donnagelina8548]

Rap culture is the worst thing to happen to black people. There are so many gifted black people in music - the composing, writing, and performing. But rap has permeated the whole society and it's not a good message for anybody of any race.

[@vincentmartin3337]

Such a great comment and SEVERELY underrated. I guess black folks have romanticized drama, bufoonery, ignorance, hypersexualization, etc.

[@XeniasWorld]

TP movies usually have black doctors and/or lawyers

[@biggaboydraws5483]

@@XeniasWorldyeah, the black men in his movies sometimes are successful, but he always portray them as abusive, womanizers, and psychopaths! It's too many hard working good black men in this world for him to portray us as the scum of the earth!

[@freethinkinmelanin6795]

@@XeniasWorld 🙄🙄🙄 They only see what they want to see. Tyler Perry himself has played a single father with custody of his kids. An accomplishment black men whine and cry about being impossible because the courts favor women. This is the perpetual victim hood that people talk about and leads to us losing support. We sit around bothered by the wrong stuff. I really feel like all these people complaining, can relate to the so called negative light they claim is all that his movies show. And they feel like they are being exposed. Triggered!

[@FunkSwaggMusiK]

He not wrong. I remember hearing this back in 2007. Back then it was thats TP casts Darker black men as the bad guy and the lighter skinned ones were the saviors. Also TP movies are made for Church goers and Chronic BET watchers. 😂

[@uploadvidz4490]

For prosperity gospel mega "churches"

[@Lifendz]

Yall spin anything to make it fit the light skin vs dark skin narrative you’re obsessed with.

[@craigalston2208]

​@@Lifendz ive said that too .IN FACT I believe that If every race / ethnicity of people on earth disappeared today EXCEPT for black people within 1-weeks time I guarantee you that the dark blacks would start FALSELY ACCUSING the LIGHT BLACKS of racial discrimination and be asking them to pay REPARATIONS .

[@allways8782]

​@@LifendzIt's not spin, literally in this new movie The browner color Man is the bad guy and the lighter brown man is the good guy. That's not speculative, that's a fact!

[@craigalston2208]

​@@Lifendz in the absence of white people some black people will make the lightest black into their white villian .

[@joangregg4378]

As a people, we don't like stepping out the box. "Black people don't do that." Let's break the stereotypes. I do and feel comfortable.

[@Bige220]

Just because something is popular and sells doesn't mean its good.

[@B.NICE302]

Ironically, Perry got filthy rich showcasing black culture and struggle while elevating a negative, stereotypical image at the same time 🤔

[@comedianpottymouth]

And black people bought into it just like sexy red it's gotta be a machine pushing this marrat8ve and not allowing black positivity to shine

[@3x3mm]

Tru.

[@jonstardc7160]

Hollywood loves hypocrisy

[@blackpalacemusic]

Just like rappers

[@koba9457]

So y’all just miss all the positive outcomes of all those movies! Which DONT happen in real life!! Too busy trying to to hate on him and miss the bigger picture!! Smh forget all the BLACK ppl he jobs! Crazy

[@tawny4613]

Our IMAGE is EVERYTHING!!!! We must protect our image!!!

[@milz5032]

@tawny4613 PROTECT YOU MEAN REVIVE ITS ALREADY DISTROYED AND MOSTLY BY OUR OWN

[@winniemabula7747]

Which image??😂😂😂😂 Tyler Perry is only showing what others already know about black people.

[@Peachpocket415]

I have never in my life related to a Tyler Perry movie.

[@rosemarywilkerson5742]

Not only that, growing up my Grandmother raised us to speak proper English and not to be so foolish

[@truthseeker3376]

So done with Tyler perry's movies..

[@Spruill526]

I like Tyler Perry’s Comedy Movies. Laughter is Good for the Soul

[@naptimelaser]

Educated black men are always the villains in Tyler Perry movies 😂

[@JaeRocReacts]

ALWAYS

[@Deriv44]

You forgot rich dark-skinned black men are always the villains in Tyler Perry movie

[@evonza4858]

SOMETIMES it's a woman 🤔👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@Generationalwealth66]

@@evonza4858once so stop it

[@XxThePhantomFreezexX]

@@Deriv44 dark skinned black men with money as well

[@FeelGoodNetwork]

A great movie creator creates a positive narrative of Black people and still makes it entertaining.

[@brianmitchell8479]

Paul Mooney passed away on May 19, 2021. Continue to RIP!!

[@candace27co]

❤❤

[@pambrown9914]

didn't know that he had passed..rih. love you always

[@cindyb2525]

@@candace27coI know saw him in concert and met him, he autographed a CD for me..such a cool person he was.

[@candace27co]

@@cindyb2525 😇🙏🏾

[@marciaheadley9933]

What was the cause of death. Thanks

[@debbiemoore1008]

Paul Mooney always kept it real my favorite comedian R.I.P.

[@KeithJackson-e7v]

Thank you all for the topic. It has its pros and con for Tyler Perry. He has helped with jobs and more awarenesses of Black folks. We can help change the messages in some of his movies or other producers can do it. Props to you three. All had great points. Enjoyed the podcast. More conversations with producers!!!! kJ

[@slyysodope]

Imagine being two grown ass men, not understanding how to articulate the dangers of blaxploitation. My man’s basically said “if they addicted to smoking crack and the dealer getting money, we can’t be mad at him ! Be mad at the addicts!” 🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️ how about not bringing crack into the neighborhood 😂

[@leonsprings8517]

That part

[@Andrea-nom]

This! This!

[@HerbertMoore-n1d]

Facts.

[@denisexx6337]

Thank you! It was so frustrating listening to all his dismissive anecdotal arguments. Like do you even hear what your saying? Saying the malls are full of sneaker stores while not even addressing the fact that those stores are not owned by us, and rather they push these sort of business into our communities then make media propaganda to paint this narrative that we asked for it. I thought we were woke in 2024? It's the same thing they do in the Media. We don't ask for trauma porn. They keep making it and marketing it to us. And I'm pretty sure the same amount of psychological damage is happening when black women and girls have to constantly see downtrodden, betrayed and beat down black women stories 24/7. Black people are not monolithic. We want real stories, we want fantasy, adventure, action, feel good, funny, family and dammit we want all of that for our children too! I'm tired of seeing white children being anything they want to be, while our babies get movies about growing up in the hood 😡

[@victory7763]

Naw, you may not like how he articulated it, but it's true. He's basically saying these movies only get made because BLACK PEOPLE keep going out to see it. Just like negative music keeps getting made because black people keep elevating and supporting it. Black people will sit behind a keyboard and reject things but they don't do it in practice. You for example, are just going to turn around and go right back to bumping Lil Baby, Lil Dirk, etc. People out here are hypocrites and have no shame.

[@carolhoward9102]

“What he’s feeding, I’m not eating!!!!

[@amyj4438]

This is a BOTH/AND conversation. 2 things can be true at the same time! They are both right!

[@SeeSetJaeMiirTv]

The boondocks aired this out perfectly with Winston Jerome

[@NixonKeith-es1bb]

The boondocks also REVEALED PROPHECY about alot of filth & shit in black American culture.

[@carlclark613]

🤣

[@redman6790]

Boondocks is just so ahead of its time on literally everything related to black culture

[@Vesalate5151]

Claudine in 1974 was a film about poverty and hardship, but extremely positive. We need to get back to that.

[@NixonKeith-es1bb]

Salute I agree. James Earl Jones before Darth Vader 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@natephillips1340]

Great movie .. watch every chance I get

[@eugeniawatson1604]

Legendary Diane Carroll

[@lulapolk6328]

@@Vesalate5151 Claudine is one of my all-time favorite movies, and the soundtrack is the bomb.

[@Mimi-cg2cw]

Why

[@Alreem-pp4bu]

RIP Paul Mooney my favourite comedian gone before I got the chance to see him live 😭

[@bossman5792]

that’s why “Family That Preys” is my fav Tyler Perry movie cause its completely different than the other movies

[@mariebrooks7341]

Exactly I loved that movie and it had more actors with name recognition and other good acting credits for projects other than Tyler Perry projects. I like Tyler Perry HOWEVER, it would be nice if he did some stuff that is different than the stereotypical formula. Most of his movies mirror his plays. His movies and plays sell really well so it is understandable why he sticks with the formula.

[@CreativeStages2010]

@@bossman5792 Unfortunately the writing is shit! White people don't talk like that and black women, no matter how stressed don't talk to black men like that. It was a poor attempt at Perry trying to mix the ethnicities with his style.

[@CreativeStages2010]

@@mariebrooks7341 I dare TP to write a complicated movie with substance. Please get out of the hood. There are several other classes and environments to focus on!🤨

[@lt3074]

I liked ' Good Deeds' , 'Alex Cross' & and' Fall from Grace.'

[@HisGaze]

Likewise!

[@vaslim80]

CH been blessing us with a lot of quality content lately, keep it up ✌🏾

[@elizabeth3230]

Tyler Perry was creating his type of comedy long before he became famous. He created the character Madea spontaneously and it was a hit. When Tyler Perry was doing small local theatre, his content was exactly what you see on the big screen now. Some of the people that criticize T.P. now have just as large of a fan base as he does. So they should be the change they supposedly want to see. You cannot be angry at a person because they are not who you want them to be.

[@daryl-anthonymitchell6786]

It's rare to see a movie showcasing the black middle class of America

[@ladyville3]

That would weaken the victim card.

[@theultimatenewplayer9341]

Then make a movie showcasing the black middle class America.

[@daryl-anthonymitchell6786]

@@theultimatenewplayer9341 I wish. Not a producer or director

[@reddy11-11]

@@daryl-anthonymitchell6786 there barely is a Blk middle class. Just about 70% of all Blk households of 4 make less than 65k annually and Less than 10% make over 100k. And it’s been that way along time.

[@rosacarroll6977]

Why no one made a movie about black wall street before they destroyed it.

[@jonathancue1584]

R.I.P PAUL MOONEY, MISS HIM

[@felixx8279]

Movies are visual and once you see something, it's hard to unsee it. Whereas with music, it's easier to forget because you have to hear something at least three times before it sticks in the subconscious.

[@MrHines88]

Paul Mooney Was Speaking 💯%Facts And We Can't Take It In Just Like Barney Mack Saying The Same Thing For Years..Etc

[@blackpixels]

I Totally Agree With Paul Mooney... Let's Have Some Balance... I'm sure the Acting is Great... However, We Have More Than Trauma To Sell ☮️

[@successready]

If you made a movie, what would it be about?

[@ronmcmillan5163]

Excellent show two different prospectives and still get along. Much love to you,peace and many more shows Cynthia!!😅

[@pkc11d]

Paul Mooney is spot on. There needs to be more positivity in our culture. I won’t be seeing this movie but shout out to people that do.

[@successready]

More positivity? Like what? What do you specifically want to see?

[@willdavis3951]

Kendrick sells out every tour, 17 Grammys, and a Pulitzer. He's gotten commercial success through conscious rap

[@Ishbikes]

Kendrick is the exception. Name some more

[@dstreet43]

Mos def, Nas

[@willdavis3951]

@@dstreet43 yes, exactly... My kids' favorite song is" I know I can" by Nas

[@willdavis3951]

@@Ishbikes Lupe fiasco, j. Cole. Nas, most Def, queen latifah, Black eyed peas, EVEN DRAKE, at one point in his career. Tupac was half and half, but still he's relevant 30 years later. I can go on if you want

[@Ishbikes]

@@willdavis3951 Drake conscious? Cmon man 😂😂

[@stancgaillard]

I must've been under a rock. Just came across this show. Excellent

[@LOSTGPS]

“We consume the same thing” Black Panther broke records Creed 3 did numbers Get out did numbers

[@ShonnysLab1995]

Facts

[@Ladsoftware]

The point is stop consuming the negative movies

[@LOSTGPS]

@@Ladsoftware All groups consume negative media. Breaking Bad Sons of Anarchy Euphoria

[@ursamajor6347]

Black panther inspired a lot of black boys and girls.

[@13thSerpent]

Selling trauma to the black community because in his mind it is what Black people are suppose to relate to. His writing format is cringe, all of the dialogue is strictly by script with no sense of naturalism with over the top characters(SUPER Protagonist & SUPER Villains) in his predictable 3 act structure. 1. The Introduction of the sweet & honest Woman or Man 2. Suffers heartbreak, setbacks and struggles horribly but a Superhero like perfect love interest (usually an Actor/Actress with sex appeal attraction) appears so conveniently. 3. Said Man or Women rises from the fiery ashes with their new profound love or happy ending. People thought Spike Lee was hating when Spike Lee called it "Buffoonery", Spike gave us Movies like Malcolm X, Do the Right Thing, Crooklyn, School Daze, Bamboozled etc..Movies that drew thought and delivered messages.

[@NixonKeith-es1bb]

Very interesting but GOOD COMMENT.

[@valeriereid1234]

At the end of the day, Spike is still hater!!😂😂😂

[@spekialcay1]

Exactly

[@Strictly4TheUNDRGRND]

You can't really make the argument that black people don't consume black thriller movies or more creative ideas. Because US and Get Out were both hits.

[@KingSimonPresents]

He's been hurt by his father and other family members...so, it has taken a toll on his Creativity. Art mimics life and vice versa. Paul is an old client of mine. I worked with him before. Great and funny human being. Also, Paul came from a different era of I'm "Black and I'm Proud." And all directors can change the algorithm. Tyler may need balance

[@niquehawks874]

🤔

[@josephjohnson1057]

Not all of us feel the need to be a "united front". I'm not defined by my race, and will think independently. You can be proud of your race but don't fall for the groupthink at the same time.

[@alphanomega2799]

And with that mind set that is why we are failing as a race. U can say “ I’m not defined by my race” as much as you want …white Mexicans Asians etc..say the opposite and that’s why they are winning and will continue

[@p-jaywade1333]

His mind needs to wander somewhere else. I know what that is when it comes to family trauma. Heartless to the point of death but my writing is my escape. What it is that I lack in this life I create an alternate one where I do have it. All that money Tyler Perry has he should be able to see the world and see how cultures interact when it comes to their own family instead of writing about a bunch of scandalous stories. Integrate that observation into your own writing. I'd get sick of writing that cringe worthy shit.

[@issachaarwazulu1726]

​​@@alphanomega2799black folks are the only one's who think they can rise above the circumstances of their own people.....while other group's like Arab's ,are building bridges amongst themselves ....you are 💯 spot on

[@lloydlawson3122]

The industry controls what sales and what gets promoted.

[@dmx1721]

yep and ounce you dig deeper into this you will find out who really runs the film and tv industry and this go's for any race of people , that industry as a whole is wicked if your not part of the "CLUB" and if your not you get the same treatment as Mo'Nique ,kat w etc.

[@stevedyches4635]

That goes for everything the masses consume. They produce it, promote it, and supply it all.

[@lorenzojones6484]

This was a great podcast… my first time watching🫶🏽

[@LindaOliver-e8q]

Years ago a business owner told me that you don't sell what people need, you sell them what they want. That's how you make money.

[@emanueljohnson7908]

That's unfortunate SMH!!

[@boredandonline]

Untrue. Pertaining to that one, no, you sell them what you make them think they want and what you make them think they need. Neither is applicable in this context.

[@MrIllesty]

For some reason people dont understand that. What usually goes viral? Its nothing positive but its something negative. If people would support something postive he would make those types of movies.

[@Cherokee-r8h]

Seems true but sad!

[@Cherokee-r8h]

Amen.

[@TheCloveart]

5:10 I don’t like his analogy. But who makes more money?... A chef of a 5-star restaurant or the CEO of McDonald’s. Yes, the CEO makes more money but his product is trash. Just because a subpar product makes a man rich doesn’t mean it's good. That’s capitalism.

[@deesudie]

Yea that analogy aggravated me

[@NixonKeith-es1bb]

Very interesting observation 🤔 2 more perfect examples of CAPITALISM! Nike Air Jordans ( $10 to manufacture ). Retail price for Nike Air Jordans ( $250 - $350 ). Dior women handbags ( $28 to manufacture ). Retail price for a Dior women handbags ( $2,800 ).

[@ministerforprofitministerf1671]

Like Paul Mooney said, POSITIVE IMAGES.

[@TravisGriffen-pt7is]

Agree with Loud Love. People need to stop expecting one person to be the fix for every issue. Diversity what you support! Seek out and support the black creators that are creating the positivity you want to see and elevate their platform.

[@onemortyme]

i truly enjoyed this guest and his response, he was on point. how can you expect anything different with the same old thing

[@alhamilton8690]

As most things, the Tyler Perry movies perpetuated a small percentage of the culture, which the masses wants to make it a black thing it’s not a black thing. It’s a human thing that you’ll find in every culture in the world in some percentages.

[@MrJreed98]

Tyler Perry is feeding his largest demo. It’s unfortunate, but if the movie is in demand, what does it say about black America?

[@nicaye1918]

State of union

[@larrymarshall8900]

I'm surprised that he hasn't made Madea goes into space. Madea Goes Back To Jail,Madea Gets A Man Madea's Daycare. Those would be great films if Madea wasn't doing the same thing over and over.

[@laurenmaxwell2857]

It says that our culture only cares about things that uplift us in theory but in reality, we really could give a shit less about things of that regard. I love my people but we hoop and holler all day long about how we don't have films or music that uplift our culture and the moment that something does come along that is positive for black people, we don't really support it or we scrutinize it greatly. Black people have been saying for years that we want our own soap operas because we are not represented greatly on the current ones that are on the air. We had "ambitions" and "our kind of people" air within the last few years and those were black nighttime soap operas and both of them only lasted one season. Black people have been saying for years that we want music that is more positive and more cultured.....Andre 3000 comes out with a flute album and he is immediately crucified by this community. Black people have been saying for years that we want television that tells our story and the history of our culture. We get a show called "Underground" in that regard and it's about slavery and it gets 2 seasons and it is cancelled and Oprah has the option to pick it up on OWN but declines because she says it's not "profitable". Meanwhile this is the same woman who has trashy reality shows on her channel and thinks that's what the culture wants to see and thinks that the "story" of all black people. The point that I am trying to make here is that black people will bitch and moan about wanting something good and positive and when we get it, we really don't want it. I think that the only thing that disputes that theory is when "Black Panther" was released. Blacks absolutely went wild for that film and we dressed up and showed out and were in the theaters for it on opening day. However the caveat of that is you know most of the writers room for that film were white or latina, so it wasn't truly a black film. Tyler Perry's films are successes because of the black church. The man is a billionaire because church buses full of people went to his plays in the beginning of his career and supported him thereafter. Oh and if you know anything about being black and being in the black church, anything that you are told to do or that you hear is considered doctrine. I honestly feel like until the black community really wants better and is not just wanting better in theory, we are going to keep dealing with shitty filmmakers like a Tyler Perry or shitty ass musicians like a Sexxy Red.

[@jennaywilliams1024]

What makes you think his largest base are black? Yt people buy tickets to go see all Tyler perry movies

[@jennaywilliams1024]

And his gross movie sales aren't really more than his budget. So why is he given a budget or any type of financial support from outside investors? Netflix gave him money for mea Culpa and he made money because he doesn't hire anyone.

[@ladyrose83]

I don't think family secrets should be kept a secret. To many families have protected child molesters and domestic violence.

[@hadijatkubrat3580]

Tyler Perry dounce us with a lot of dark trauma that needs therapy. Paul Mooney is right with his pov however dark secrets and traumas need to be exposed and not a secret. The secrets is what eats at our community up.

[@Jokerasylum14]

Right. Idk what PM was talking about saying keeping secrets quiet. Nah expose them that’s why ppl can’t heal

[@rw2698]

No more victimhood excuses.

[@hadijatkubrat3580]

@@rw2698 give me an example of victimhood excuses?

[@TheLoveweaver]

That may be but are his movies really helping or is he beating a dead dog. That also doesn't explain why he doesn't hire other writers or why most times his production quality is so low.

[@hadijatkubrat3580]

@@TheLoveweaver it is too much. He needs balance. Also, he needs writers for sure. Him trying to hog every project and gives us similar stories different cast is played and old.

[@WaggyP815]

The coca-cola analogy is accurate. Similarly, drinking coca-cola on a regular basis leads to physical health problems, so these stereotypical movies lead to mental health problems due to the constant promotion of negative stereotypes in black movies

[@terrikamccoy650]

I concur! If you only see despair and foolishness in entertainment, you tend to sympathize with those who mean you harm. Look at P-Valley. It's given a new side to exotic dancing, but it shows the seedier side in balance. If you balance the narrative, give pause and cause your audience to think, then THAT is innovative.

[@tituspannell6009]

Great discussion. Great insight from both men. I never liked Tyler Perry's stuff because it was too stereotypical, but the gentleman explaining the business aspect of it makes me understand why Tyler Perry keeps on doing it. In the end, we do need a way better image in films, and if Tyler Perry was white putting out black films like this people would call him racist.

[@CoreanHoliday]

We as a community are never satisfied! When the Cosby show first aired we screamed that, "it was not a realistic depiction of the black family." When Spike Lee came along we cried, "he is to racist. All his movies are about race." Now here we are spraying vitriol towards Tyler Perry, for his portrayal of our community! However we seem to condone the misogynistic lyrics in rap music directed at Black Women, the glorifying of drugs, guns, rape, violence and money that's destroying our community! When positive images of us like American Fiction, The Deliverance, Shirley are on the big screen we don't support them! Furthermore, some of our self-loathing, self--hating, self-deprecating buffoons even had the audacity to criticize the Black Panther Movies, as racist, colonial xenophobia! In the words of Dap from the classic movie, School Daze " WAKE UP." We have become our own worst enemy! We are the only community who degrades and tear each other down on a public platform!

[@ThundaCracka]

Sorry but Tyler Perry movies are horribly written

[@melanindollface3666]

Beautifully spoken ❤

[@melanindollface3666]

​@@ThundaCrackaand I bet you've seen every last one of them 😕🤣

[@KM-zb9eg]

Yesss more of this more of calling out self hate

[@MightyThor1223]

Wonderfully said and written we are our own worst enemy. As much as I hate to say this that Willie lynch syndrome is totally on us.

[@kvocal]

Tyler Perry, like Hollywood studios, sticks to what works. If a formula succeeds, they repeat it until it no longer draws audiences. For example, rap music faced industry disdain until gangsta rap's profitability changed attitudes. They won't alter a profitable formula. Could they support less negative portrayals? Yes, but it's not in their immediate interest. This pattern is evident in everyday life: grocery stores stock popular items, even if they lack nutritional value, because they sell. Businesses prioritize profit over societal benefit. It's Bad Capitalism when your product is designed to kill your customer.

[@NixonKeith-es1bb]

INTERESTING OBSERVATION 🤔

[@debramolley2561]

You are so right, I think we should be more concerned about what we eat and do we exercise our bodies verses a Tyler Perry movie ! He does need to switch it up but we have much bigger problems than "movies" . 😮😮

[@LongwindedShortstory]

Lav is basically saying, get ya bag as a businessman, culture (if it matters at all) is secondary. I'm sad that these perspectives still exist. When are we gonna put us first?? RIP Paul Mooney

[@leonsprings8517]

Lav is a willing agent putting out false narratives for the ops. Nothing else to say. So supporting anything he does and watch him turn into a tp character....old broke down angry black man who got played by his own stupidity

[@micaeldeprez3091]

Exactly. Crab in a bucket mentally at it's finest.

[@JELIFISH19]

Tyler Perry is bigger than Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry is opening many doors and breaking barriers. And he mainly employs black people. There will be a generation of black filmmakers who get to do what they do because of Tyler Perry. He's going to make it easier for certain types of movies to find funding. His success shows that movies don't NEED to cater to a white audience. That's actually a relatively new concept. He is putting us first by not seeking crossover success and giving our talent a chance to shine in ways they traditionally aren't able to in white cinema.

[@schildress0467]

Not a Tyler Perry fan at all and cannot remember the last time I watched one of his movies or tv shows.

[@sanaacreatrix]

Really good conversation guys.

[@jusLonda]

This was soooo good…these are the conversations that our community should be having

[@waltergill1226]

I spoke the same sentiment as paul Mooney to a girlfriend of mine. I said "why cant we just have a happy and goofy movie like the ones adam Sandler makes? Where's our black Adam Sandler?" She told me "black people aren't happy and that's not our reality". ABSURD

[@mariebrooks7341]

That would be Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy making the goofy good movie that's funny and they're good actors.

[@waltergill1226]

@@mariebrooks7341 i agree with that but they haven't been consistent in a long time. Adam Sandler releases a movie pretty much every year. Tyler perry is constantly releasing his garbage in some fashion every year.

[@nikitawashington9328]

Facts... Preach

[@robynsegg]

NGL, I wish i had thought of "Diary of a Mad Black Woman part 55" that first. That got me! 😂

[@timmy-bo2891]

I stop caring about Tyler Perry movies long ago because I felt exactly like what that comment said we are watching the same movie every time

[@geraldcooper284]

To the brother in the hoodie (and I can't believe I have to make this argument) just because it makes money doesn't mean it's high quality. We're accepting Spam when there's Fillet available

[@Comedianlavluv]

I speaking from a perspective of, if we don’t like it why are we consuming it? I know networking executives. Who will tell you we ask for positive programming but we don’t watch it when they do. So what’s a company suppose to do?

[@geraldcooper284]

@@Comedianlavluv That is a great response/question. For me, there's some psychological based (dime store as they are) reasons why we gravitate to particular kinds of media. I believe a big part of it is decades and decades of us not being represented. I think we're taking what we recognize as a result. But I believe there's hope. Seeing families and school trips dressed up en mass for Black Panther. Anecdotal as it may be. It showed me that there's a hunger for something other than stereotypes that have been presented for years. The work Donald Glover and Jordan Poole are doing. There's an underserved market out there. Not only should black creators rush to fill it. But if they begin to offer more unique, thoughtful work I think we will begin to gravitate to and eventually accept more diverse black stories and characters.

[@freedomk.d.gulley9946]

I support Tyler Perry. 💯 Everyone complaining should be the change. Sad we tear our own people down. SMDH.

[@atjubair]

From Bangladesh we watched Cosby show & we don’t talk about how important that was for us to see black family who held professional jobs & family interactions. We need more shows like that. I still love Bill Cosby, he did bad things & he did his time & now we should give him his respect.

[@ssjup81]

We can respect what he contributed, especially as an 80s kid, but criticize him for the bad things. I respect what he did but I separate the art from the artist.

[@marcuse423]

Tyler Perry is a business man and provides a product. If enough products aren’t purchased then the product will change. He is doing what he is supposed to do. Ultimately the consumer controls the narrative.

[@missdiva2you]

He has said this. He had been trying to stop doing Madea for years! He said that the people keep asking for it.

[@jamesstaton4947]

Ok but if he controls it he has the power to change it no matter what he’s a billionaires, I will not be worried about losing New fans. He’s a billionaire. Let’s not trying to make excuses for what he’s doing to us like why not showing a positive black movie with a black family making it through life without negativity we do have a lot of those people too as again he shows a negative stereotype of Black people being abused people being cheated on this not just black ppl Every other race too. Why is our race the only one showing it . Rather his fans like it or not we still got other people here who don’t go through who have ever been.

[@Darrencollinsjr]

​@@missdiva2youlies. What people? He wanna keep putting on that dress

[@kosi_Iberu]

PR is a helluva drug. The mind is an easily manipulative muscle depending on one's upbringing. People are not used to good because we tend to be ok with the bad and say "well people watch it". Change what's available and you change people. Condoning BS does not make it right.

[@victoriagore470]

People ain't buying it. It's obvious he's being propped up by the establishment.

[@NewConstructionforDummiesPCF]

Sis Detroit Love. Almost shed a tear when I saw the host Aaliyah shirt. Thank you for wearing it! #PCFHOME

[@larrywoodland1332]

I really loved this discussion. I did not know these two men before and they are great. I hope they will continue on Comedy Hype.

[@blacksage81]

I am so glad that more people are speaking out about that man's "content", for years I felt that I was the only one rubbed the wrong way.

[@sebastianlee9969]

We have trained our people. They said the same thing about the Cosby shows and looked it was longest running popular and profitable shows on TV and it not only created a successful spinoff ,but also sets the black positive standard of society

[@allisonclark223]

@@sebastianlee9969 different world

[@TYB1970]

The Jeffersons

[@ldw1254]

Best conversation I've EVER seen on Comedy Hype!!!🎉🎉🎉

[@Alexsh2010]

I think Tyler Perry is just doing what the “hats” want him to do at this point. They love to promote us in these (blaxploitation) kinds of roles. The fact that he was able to get all that land and build a studio with no pushback.

[@ebonybb24]

I love this conversation

[@rgnlong]

Yes LL is telling truth. Exactly why everybody boppin to "not like us" but overlooked Black Panther soundtrack with better beats, lyrics & content for the culture as a whole

[@adubb805]

can’t blame people for consuming negative shit because that’s what gets promoted/pushed in our faces…you have to actually search for positive content…we just want it the other way around,promote positivity and let us search for negativity

[@leonsprings8517]

You're speaking generally just as he was trying to put all black people in your little box of what you experienced. See the problem with making a broad brush stroke statement is it just sounds ridiculous. You can't say everybody because you can't possibly know that everyone did what you said they did. Make your statements more personal and talk about the small percentage of people you've encountered. Yall also fail to be able to explain your stance when making your points about why one positive form of medium is not as popular within black communities opposed to the negative forms of media. You're just telling one side without giving the full picture. Btw the black panther soundtrack was made back in the 90s but you're wanting to compare that to something so recent as not like us??? You pulled that one straight outta your 🍑

[@orarichman9948]

Tyler Perry's movies, shows, and plays doesn't go hand in hand of his true character which is loving, kind, and gentle. His movies don't define who he really is. Y'all are just mad because everything he touches, God bless and turns to gold. Tyler Perry has a beautiful soul and spirit and a great character. I am friends with his family and some of the people that work for him. He loves black women and is hated for it. Tyler is color blind, he has white and black people in his family. He doesn't discriminate, he is just being wrongfully hated for exposing the truth through his work. 💯

[@nauyv]

i didn't know that constantly making a movie about the trauma that most black families go through and continuing to make those moves to paint a picture that has a negative connotation to it and for someone to realize "oh, i can't enjoy this at all or anymore because it is further pushing a stereotype we shouldn't be okay with" is hating, but you got it.

[@Andrea-rw9tf]

Coke went from real sugar to corn syrup, and just like Coke TP is formulaic. Paul is a legend and was right on many levels.

[@blackjesus6433]

Tyler needs to just step into another movie genre. He's like the Lifetime channel for black people. 😂 🙏🏾

[@rickyv7757]

Lol, yup

[@dominiquejones3805]

Him,Denzel,Spike,Cube,Regina King,Eddie Murphy,Kevin Hart, oprah etc should all put their money 2gether & form their own & distribute. That way we get a variety

[@candacequalls3599]

I was just thinking this

[@SheIsFearfullyWonderfullyMade]

For SOME black people.. I never cared for his plays or movies. I’m old enough to remember when his plays first started.. they use to always play them in hair salons😂

[@MrsRease2011]

@@SheIsFearfullyWonderfullyMadeThey were annoying as fck!

[@hermanlane9846]

Good news is here with shows that are featuring prominent brown leads so anyone who wants to watch subpar shows and give their hard earned money to a TP, that’s now on them. Great shows like Will Trent, Reasonable Doubt, Abbot Elementary, etc etc. movies are way too expensive to pay for nonsense but there is apparently a group of people who enjoy this type of show We are getting what we wanted more diverse content so let’s be sure to support these and push for more of these. Over time, our better choices can shift the entertainment environment. So let’s spend some more time pushing the agenda for these great shows and movies that speak to the diverse needs of the brown community. I use the term brown because the melinated community is diverse in how it thinks as well as how it looks. I think back in the time period that Paul Moony spoke, it was very relevant but things have been shifting with the new players on the block. Granted we have to stay vigilant because we know how those in the halls of power are corrupt and have their own agenda that they want to push - such as continued negative stereotypes

[@Comegetyourdose131]

“He be having them episodes”😂😂 “I’ll knock him into factory reset” 🤣😂🤣😂