Paul Washer Discusses Lordship Salvation

Feel free to comment and even debate here, but if you're not amiable (trolling) your comments will be removed and you'll be blocked. No matter what side you're on in the debate of lordship salvation, I would recommend watching this to the end before making any judgement. You may be surprised.
The Tom Roten Morning Radio Show on 12-9-11; Roten interviews Paul Washer, a itinerant preacher and director of HeartCry Missionary Society.
Full interview: www.800wvhu.com/media/podcast-...

[@HelloKitty-wi1jl]

i used to listen to Paul Washer, every time i listened to one of his sermons i started feeling a deep sense of despair and doubting my salvation....feeling like i need to stop sinning to be saved when that is impossible. no matter how hard i try it will not save me. i am so glad my eyes have been opened and that i no longer have to depend on me......i am believing only in Jesus to save me from now on.

[@BenjaminQ23]

Good on ya bud👍

[@williamgullett5911]

Maybe that was the Holy Spirit warning you

[@brianb4390]

You don't need to stop sinning to be saved. Being saved will convict you to stop sinning, if sin doesn't bother you than you probably haven't been born again. We all sin, even Paul Washer, he is a man there is none righteouss no not one. They are right, there is plenty of Scripture to back it up, as well as the Scripture people use to oppose it. Is Scripture infallible, inerrant? YES so Scripture never contradicts itself, we must understand it in its fullness. The whole counsel of God, and even the wisdom He gives us is by His grace and NOTHING we do.🙏🙏❤️

[@TheLightShines]

@@brianb4390 some believers disobey God, even when they get convicted.

[@holaamigo3084]

1 John 1:6

[@DylanGalvinMusic]

When I first heard Paul Washer I remember getting so angry at what he said. I later learned I was holding on to certain sins and didn't want to part with them and his words were stirring up my spirit. From the mouth of Paul Washer during this interview: "We are not saying that in order to be saved you must accept Jesus as savior and you must obey Him as Lord"..." Many people are criticizing Paul because he reminds some that they are stagnant in their walk and some are not even saved. This is of course hard to hear.

[@markrogers7546]

Dylan - Well stated brother.

[@CrypticHowl]

ByHisCall spot on!

[@luckied7542]

@ByHisCall ... Well stated. When we trust in Jesus Christ alone for our salvation, our spirit is purified, not our flesh. Do people even bother to read Romans 7:14 - 25?! In that passage Paul explains the difference between the spirit and the flesh. He clearly starts off saying in verse 14 for we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. (KJV) read that passage carefully people. The fruit of our salvation is not our behavior. The fruit of our salvation is what we trust in, and that is Jesus Christ alone and not of ourselves.

[@graceambassador65]

@Lucky Di, friend *In CHRIST!!* Amen! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏💖 + ♫😇↑

[@luckied7542]

@@graceambassador65 ... Amen! Praise the Lord! Once saved, always saved through Christ alone is the true gospel. And many thumbs up to you my friend in Christ for contending for the faith.💟👱

[@MrKenramse]

An old "down home" evangelist taught me something a long time ago. " I don't do what I do to get what I got... I do what I do 'cause I got what I got!"

[@lucashack5318]

Is that required for salvation? That you do what you do because you got what you got?

[@williamgullett5911]

what he got was the salvation and what he did after was out of love for GOD. And its not works

[@lucashack5318]

@@williamgullett5911 Do I have to be good to be saved? Or just believe on Christ?

[@williamgullett5911]

@@lucashack5318 "Do I have to be good to be saved? Or. just believe in Christ?" Great question, tough question,easy question Being "good" won't do it. Belief....when translated into faith does it. And then being good is still unattainable but GOD knows our hearts. Love Jesus and the rest follows

[@lucashack5318]

@@williamgullett5911 Belief in what? Faith in what?

[@NickEBN79]

Just because your spirit is made new in salvation does not mean that the sinful flesh goes away. If you are saved then fall back into sin even if it’s for a persons entire life salvation does not go away. It’s not a gift if God can take it back when you don’t do right. Jesus is Lord no matter what I do in my life. That’s a key word he says. “For I never knew you”. Not I used to know you.

[@scriptureplz9045]

Amen! 1 Cor. 15:42-54 teaches our "natural body" is unchanged!

[@buckiemohawk3643]

That verse in Matthew is directed at people who never believed and thought they were saved by what the did... What do they say, look at what I have done, I have done this and that.... The word is I. I not Jesus. And then carnality comes into things and what are these works they keep talking about. Do they know what the work are? Love God and love thy neighbor as they love thyself. Those are two commandments in the New Testament which are works.

[@real8342]

My questionis,why do people believe that christians are good?we are just like the rest..the difference between us and them,we put our faith in Jesus Christ righteousness...it is Jesus Christ righteousness that saves us from our carnality that is enmity against God..you will know if that person is truly a Christian, not by the works he do,but by the power of the Holy Spirit, because looks can be deceiving. .

[@bzba1358]

wow Niko what tool do you use to detect this difference?

[@JonathanGrandt]

Not true. Christians are not just like the rest. I also have a problem with people who say “we are all wicked sinful wretched people” as Christians. That’s simply not accurate either. We are in Christ.

[@andrewlailvaux1571]

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[@luckied7542]

@Greg Zeno ... You're right. I used to be in works salvationism for 30 years. Went through three denominations and 4 false Gospels and I can tell you I tried all those years to differentiate between a true Christian and a false Christian based on their behavior and failed every time. Matthew Chapter 7 verses 21 through 23 get twisted all the time by works salvationist all the time. They want to say that there's a hidden sin in there somewhere. Nothing is hidden in that passage. Those people were trusting in their works and Jesus was calling their good works iniquity. Watch "Paul Washer said "if you don't have the works you are going to hell" WHAT?!" on KZbin by Renee Roland kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIe7k5p5bbdrq68 For any Armenians that might be reading this let me also just add the following: Watch "30 REASONS YOU CANNOT LOSE SALVATION - OSAS eternal security in Christ" on KZbin by Renee Roland kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIq0l2qVhtxora8

[@kath1017]

Amen b

[@BenjaminQ23]

"Whoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life" It is free to all those who simply believe. If we add works in any way we are denying that Jesus's blood was enough. I'm sure Paul Washer/ John MacArthur/ R.C Sproul have good intentions. They wish to see more Godly people and that's good. However we can't change the message of Grace being totally free. A different Gospel condemns people.

[@markrobertsministries]

Exactly

[@Christ_saves_sinners]

Amen!

[@putgospodnji3949]

The Bible teaches that it is not "faith" that saves us, but "living faith," "active faith," "faith that works," not "dead faith." The Bible teaches that faith is a work. That is why Jesus says that baptism is necessary for salvation, and baptism is a work; that is why Jesus says, "He who endures to the end will be saved." Endurance is a work.

[@torontobiblestudy]

No, the Bible clearly distinguishes sharply between faith and works. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9) When James talks about faith that is dead, he is not saying that dead faith does not save. He is simply saying that we should add good works to our faith so we can be profitable servants (James 2:14a, 16b). On two occasions Jesus says "He who endures to the end will be saved." In Matthew 10, He is talking about the disciples that He was sending out being persecuted, saying that if they endure to the end they will be saved from death and suffering due to persecution. In Matthew 24, He is talking about people suffering persecution during the tribulations He is talking about there, that if they endure in the faith to the end of that tribulation, they will be saved from death. He is not talking about people enduring for salvation from hell, because salvation is a free gift and does not require any obedience from us (Rom 4:5; 5:19).

[@mikerems8861]

It is only by faith that we are saved, nothing more. It is neither by works, nor can we keep our salvation by works. Once saved, always saved. It is by faith alone, by grace alone, and in Christ alone. However, if one claims to have faith in Jesus but cannot surrender his life to Him, despite Jesus commanding us to make Him our Lord, does he truly have faith in Jesus? Or does he trust/believe in himself rather than Jesus? If one trusts/believes in himself over Jesus, then most likely he keeps the control over his life, he cannot submit his life to Jesus because he does not trust Jesus. He trusts himself more. On the other hand, if someone GENUINELY trusts/believes/has faith in Jesus, then he allows Jesus to be the Lord over his life. God bless everyone.

[@jaybrick8973]

Its so simple those who believe on me will be saved

[@jaybrick8973]

@adam_4_18 so would you tell someone on there deathbed they have to believe an abide in him how can they abide in him if they don't have long to live

[@Romans-cn8mw]

The term is in error. Salvation comes by faith thru grace, the blood of Jesus, the only atonement for our sins. Being born again, receiving grace is two-fold. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, saved. Our inheritance is secure. Through the Holy Spirit, we are given a new spirit, one that despises sin. We are a new creation. We are in Christ and He in us. We are on a journey becoming more Christ-like, ordained unto good works. We strive to follow Jesus and keep His commandments, not the Law. We rely on the Holy Spirit to give us understanding. Note: Born-again believers are not judged by sins. All have been washed clean. There is no condemnation for not being perfectly obedient to His lordship. Grace is salvation and a new spirit. His yoke is easy and His burden is light. Stop the fear and intimidation. And this constant message of "getting right with God." Say this to an unveliever, but if already a true believer, you are imputed with the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ, utterly blameless. Rest in Jesus. Don't complicate the wonderful Gospel message. He came to save. It is finished. It worked. He is the High Priest. His blood saves all from Adam on.

[@nikokapanen82]

"There is no condemnation for not being perfectly obedient to His lordship." - if your disobedience is wilful, there is.

[@panoply13]

@@nikokapanen82 Really? Where’s the verse?

[@nikokapanen82]

@@panoply13 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age- and then have fallen away-to be restored to repentance, because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame. Hebrews 6:4

[@panoply13]

@@nikokapanen82 This describes unbelievers, Mr. Seagal.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@panoply13 I got the wrong verse, sorry. Here: Hebrews 10:26 - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" If i remember correctly Mr. Seagal has Nico with c, not with k.

[@sherrytodd1952]

Those who he said depart from me Had MANY wonderful works!! Works salvation is a lie. He works in us.!

[@gilov3]

Truth!

[@lawrence1318]

Yes as Paul says we are to steer clear of "voluntary humility" (Col 2:18), the reason being that it is Christ in us who works, not we ourselves.

[@holzmann-]

Lordship Salvation has its roots in Catholism

[@AveChristusRex]

What is Lordship Salvation precisely?

[@graceambassador65]

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[@AveChristusRex]

If you want to enter life, keep the commandments :) If we say we are Christians but don't keep the commandments, we are liars. If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with Him. If we don't pick up our cross daily, we cannot be His disciples. Easy-believism is a doctrine from SATAN HIMSELF. The NT defines faith as obedience to the Son of God, by accepting His sacrifice, and walking accordingly in life. Easy-believeism means Jesus came to make sin tolerable to God. Christianity means Jesus came to wash away sins, and to keep us-requiring constant co-operation and consent therewith-from sinning. That works are necessary for non-dead-faith doesn't mean necessary doing works earns the reward given. Jesus earned salvation. That it's given only to those woh obey Him is not proportional, but simply duty. Jesus said when we have done what we are commanded, we aren't to expect anything earned, but to say we are unprofitable servants and have done only what was commanded, and expected. Easy-believism leads to the place where 'even the demons believe.'

[@georgepenton6023]

Of course lordship salvation comes from the Catholic Church! That's how we know it's true. Dominus vobiscum.

[@derekbirmingham2244]

No it doesn't. They put works after faith. The Catholic system puts works before faith.

[@nelsonrezek339]

The Lord says you will be hated for the truth!

[@mathematiknet]

Yes, thats why catholic (salvation by works) killed millions of non-catholics (salvation by grace).

[@dfstarborn]

Why do you believe what Paul Washer says as he's a well known wicked heretic and Calvinist.. Calvinism is known as a daughter of the Catholic harlot.. Do you know know that Calvin preached that infant water baptism a Catholic teaching is required fo salvaiton? His teachings also stem from Roman Catholic heretic Augustine.. Paul Washer is famous for attacking the promise of eternal life made by Jesus for whom it is impossible to lie according to the scritpures. He mocks soul winners when the bible encourages this and promises rewards for soul winners. He's also promotes the lie that there is no such thing as a carnal Christian when the bible exposes him as a liar.. Carnal baby Christians are mentioned in scriptures.. 1 Peter 2:2, 1 Cor 3:1-3, Heb 5:10-14, Heb 6:1-3 KJV He also uses the modern bibles which stem from occultists Wescott and Hort who were well known supporters of the Catholic harlot of Lucifer.. Paul Washer is just another agent of the devil..

[@sherrytodd1952]

He just Is Lord. You don't make him Lord. If you're in him. He is Lord. Even if I don't work I'm saved. He did it all.

[@torontobiblestudy]

Amen, sister! Hallelujah!

[@ritasha2010]

"Every tree that doesn't produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." - Jesus of Nazareth Now are you going to call Him a "works gospel" "false preacher" too?

[@TimpBizkit]

You have to be made into a good tree by Jesus and produce good fruit. Justification by works would be a bad tree saying "Look at my awesome fruit!" and Jesus says "it's rotten and mouldy, come to be for tree surgery and then you can produce good fruit". Jesus also cursed a fig tree without fruit.

[@TimpBizkit]

What this "easy believism" states is that. 1 it's impossible for you to ever be a good tree and do good fruit but rejoice that Jesus died to take a bad tree into heaven and doesn't expect any fruit.

[@TSammut0219]

First of all the good tree/bad tree is referring to false prophets. Not salvation

[@jimkraft9445]

Matthew 7:15-23 tells us what fruit is. Fruit is the gospel by grace ye are saved. Not by works. These men are not preaching the fruit of the gospel of all grace to save us sinners. They are preaching another gospel. Their fruit is bad fruit. The gospel preaches is good fruit, that Jesus died for our sins, according to the gospel, that He rose again according to the gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4 We are saved by His life, death, and resurrection, not by any works that we do. Salvation is a free gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. These men are boasters in themselves, instead of what Jesus did for us on the cross. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Lordship salvation is a counterfeit gospel by works.

[@mathematiknet]

Well, you pass the exam with 51%. Well done! The only way to bring REAL good fruit is to let Jesus do the work in you. Maybe he beat you but he don't send you to hell. Would you send your son or daughter to hell because he/she stole something, take drugs or go to prison? Another question: Have you the "peace of mind" Jesus talk about? How can you have "peace of mind" when you are not sure of your salvation?

[@jaymorris9952]

We must make Jesus our Lord in the sense that we must put all of our trust in him as our only savior. If we add anything to that, including trusting in our "turning from sin," then Jesus is no longer our Lord

[@brandonengell5252]

what about the carnal Corinthian church who were walking entirely in the the flesh (debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults, contentions, suing one another, etc, 1 Cor 1:11, 6:1-8, 2 Cor 12:20 and others), and yet, the Apostle Paul called them "brothers" and "brethren" over twenty-five times in his letters. They were so bad, that one of them was in an incestuous relationship with his fathers wife and the Church was tolerating it, until Paul rebuked them and ordered that sinning brother to be kicked out of the fellowship until he stopped what he was doing. We are also told that many of them even died because they were taking Communion in an unworthy manner, 1 Cor 11:30, yet they were saved. Hebrews 12:5-11 makes clear, that God will chastise those who are being disobedient, like the Corinthians, and 1 John 5:16 even says that there is a sin unto death. That sin may be different for each Christian, but there comes a point when God says to a sinning believer, enough is enough, and He calls them home. So, if the Corinthians did not deny all, if they did not forsake all of them sins, etc, etc, etc, then why were they still saved? why did Paul consistently call them brethren, not doubting their salvation?

[@kath1017]

Yep

[@gardenjoy5223]

Totally agree with the speaker. There was a time, when I thought I already was a Christian, because I was truly interested in it and even touched by God and I read the Bible and listened to Christian music. Yet, after I became born again, giving my life over to God and experiencing a much deeper contact with God, I knew I hadn't been the 'real' thing before yet. On that day of becoming born again, the Holy Spirit indeed did convict me of my sins and I indeed did repent of them. It took but a few minutes, but it was intense! There and then I accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and experienced this wonderful new birth. Since, I did develop a whole new set of interests, like Spurgeon said about the pig becoming a man. It's not that hard to want what is good, once the Holy Spirit put such desires into your heart. Of course you've got to learn to not resist His leading and allow Him to sanctify and radically change you. And it is very possible to not grow as fast as is possible, because of some common misconceptions about what Christianity is all about. But once you do realize that it is no longer you who live, but Christ in you and that you must make way for Him and abide in Him, you actually long to submit to His Lordship. To me it is like I was already 'conceived' so to speak, but I wasn't born again yet. Had I passed away during this time, I do believe God would have been gracious enough to take me to heaven. For He knew I needed to learn to trust Him. Yet, had I resisted Him during that time and after a while would have turned away to live in worldly things without Him, I do think it is possible that I would have missed the boat. Thank God for the problems He sent my way to help me understand I truly needed Him. To anyone resisting Christ's Lordship, I would say: be very careful. For you might end up like the guy in the parables of the talents that had been given one talent of God to work with, but put it in the ground (Matthew 25: 14-30). Verse 29-30 "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, EVEN WHAT HE DOES HAVE SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY. Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Don't we all rather hear Jesus say to us what He said to his other servants: "Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master." And look at Luke chapter 13! Verse 6-9 "And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for FRUIT on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. CUT IT DOWN! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’” And Luke 13: 23-28 "And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you EVILDOERS.’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". Let us see what Jesus said in John 14: 15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." And He commanded this: "and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12: 30-31). If you think you can do less, how does that not make you an enemy of God? For when you do not love, you neglect, abuse or hate. The absence of love is sin in all its variations. As James 4: 4-10 strongly warns and instructs: "You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you."

[@MsBizonline]

Awesome! Thank you for sharing your testimony! God Bless!

[@danielrutigliano7938]

Can one lose their salvation?

[@loreshanta9720]

Perfectly stated with the living word of King Jesus Christ 💖

[@Joel-e3b]

I cannot lose salvation since it is GOD who gave me that salvation. I don't qualify to be saved nor do I deserve anything but hell. But it's GRACE FROM CHRIST that saves me. Following MY SALVATION FROM CHRIST, the Holy Spirit stirs me to sanctification/repentance throughout my remaining days on earth

[@gardenjoy5223]

@@Joel-e3b My whole point was, that many think they have it, but do not.

[@aaroncf07]

Jesus Christ is Lord of All.

[@davemitchell116]

So let me see if I've got this straight. In order to receive salvation there are certain works/fruit that must be present. Not exactly what Paul told Titus: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His own mercy He saved us." (Titus 3:5). So bring your filthy rags (Isaiah 64:4) to God and see if they will save you. Evidently lordship salvation is not Bible salvation.

[@60sfanatic]

Conversely Dave, try holding onto your "filthy rags" after “being saved” .... and see if that will save you. We can’t put on the new garments of salvation which God provides, unless we discard the old. (Matthew 22:1-14, Romans 8:12-17, Hebrews 12:1-2, 1 Corinthians 6:7-11)

[@courtney7027]

Not to BE saved! Works will naturally flow AFTER salvation. That is all he is saying!

[@davemitchell116]

@@60sfanatic No Christian I know is holding on to filthy rags after salvation. But it's a nice strawman argument.

[@a.kamileon]

Titus 1:16?

[@WagnerPaivaCCB]

I agree 100%. When you are saved, IF you are reall saved, the Holy Spirit makes you love God´s Law and makes you hate sin. Of course you may still sin sometimes, because of weakness, however you feel terrible and repent when you do. You pray, you cry, you ask for forgiviness, you hate the very sin you just commited. This process gets stronger with the time, you get more and more under God´s yoke and out of satan´s yoke. This is a colateral effect of being saved, if you do not feel any of this, you better repent while there is still time, cause no man serves two masters.

[@ChiTownOnDeck]

The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth; God's commandments are no longer grievous to us. A believer can commit horrible sins, just look at David & his son Solomon. As believers we can still walk in the flesh and fulfill the lusts thereof. We can be unrepentant of our sins, does that mean I'm not saved?

[@WagnerPaivaCCB]

ChiTownOnDeck I do not think that this means you are unsaved. Can I give you my example? When I was saved I had some really bad habits, and the Lord God took them out, one at a time, teaching me day by day. The very last sins of these that are gone, I only repented after the repentance about the first ones. Like, the first thing that I repented about was fornication, then listening to worldly music, then greed. But was not repenting worldly music before I overcame fornication, so I think that with many people, as it was with me, is a gradual process for some sins, but a automatic process for others. Like, I repented sorcery and meditation in a single second, and burned all the books about it. Others sins I didn´t even knew I had till the Lord called my attention to it. So, the very fact that you already call your sin a sin is a sign that the Lord is working. Funny how we like to say that our salvation does not comes from works, it is true, it does not. We do not work for it, but the Lord sure does a lot of work in us. David did repented of that horrible sin, as I recall =) But I agree with you, we will never be perfect, only the Lord Jesus Christ is perfect, and in Him lies our hope of getting into Heaven, only in Him and in the mercy of God. =)

[@johndodson8464]

"Make Jesus Lord of my entire life." Sheesh, that's not only works, it's INSTANT SANCTIFICATION, aka sinless perfection. Might as well say, "faith is understanding + assent + glorifying yourself."

[@jerrymann20]

The king of Lordship salvation gonna preach on it. Who better. He preaches " faith by works" anyone who hears the Gospel through him probably is not SAVED.

[@vectorvinnie]

Listened to it. Doesn't change my mind about him. He is a lordship salvationist.

[@simonskinner1450]

Mark Fullington Christianity is a faith of good works, as Titus 2:14, and Paul Washer is simply qualifying grace teaching with scripture. 'Saved by grace', and 'live by faith' are 'headlines', not scriptural detail. It seems to me the details as Paul Washer, and St Paul gives just add to the 'throwaway headlines' which have a become the gospel to some.

[@andrewlailvaux1571]

People are so eager to label and judge eh. Nothing he said is untrue. Millions of people who called themselves Christians are in Hell right now. If you're living in sin thinking you're once saved always saved you may join them. Repent ;)

[@luckied7542]

Amen! Washer is completely contradicting what Paul said. Paul made it perfectly clear in the Bible that he was carnal.

[@jerrymann20]

THANK YOU

[@jerrymann20]

@@simonskinner1450 you're unsaved

[@gilov3]

"When God says "depart from me for I never knew you", that means He NEVER knew them... they NEVER believed on Him or what He did for them. That wasn't to the believer but to the unrighteous, that WERE NEVER BORN AGAIN.

[@konroh2]

To know someone has many levels. Jesus could be saying He didn't know them intimately. Because obviously they were doing good works in Jesus' name. The whole context of the Sermon on the Mount is discipleship, not initial salvation.

[@konroh2]

@D You are proving my point. Knowledge can be intimate knowledge. So Jesus is speaking of knowing someone experientially, He obviously knows everyone, but He know those who follow Him intimately.

[@lucashack5318]

Paul Washer immediately yokes himself with John Mcarthur when defending his gospel as if that validates its truth. That's everything you need to know. He is more interested in the praise of men than God. The Bible is clear, trust in the blood of Christ saves you. Galatians 3:2-3 KJV "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" Washer seems to think so.

[@nikokapanen82]

You picked this one verse which talks about following the law of Moses and then rejects the rest of the Bible like the book of James and dare to claim that Bible is clear about this issue. Not good.

[@lucashack5318]

@@nikokapanen82 No. I picked the verse that showed where apostle Paul reprimanded the church because they began following the laws of Moses. The Bible is clear, no one could or can keep the law. The law was meant to lead us to a Savior. Christ.

[@theearstohear]

Key to the whole matter is the question: Are we made righteous by the obedience of one or the obedience of two? (Romans 5:19) A proper biblical answer to that question obliterates the notion that man's obedience or commitment to God has ANYTHING to do with how he obtains eternal salvation. Man's obedience/commitment to God is never anything more than a lagging indicator of saving grace ALREADY imparted. It is not a requirement of the covenant, because Jesus Christ alone met all of the requirements (Heb 1:3, 9:12, 10:10,14, Titus 3:5, Romans 9:16, John 1:13). Failure to eliminate mans' works from the equation of eternal salvation is the most prevalent error in Christendom and it shows up among the so-called "sovereign grace Lordship Salvationists" even as it does among the semi-Arminians they oppose. Search the scriptures to see if these things are so, (Acts 17:11) TETH

[@Jesusandbible]

I cannot follow the life of Paul Washer moment by moment. So what has happened to him? Has he started preaching the Lordship Salvation heresy, been crushed in the debates and 1) Stuck to it - and thus is damned? or.... 2) Is he trying to hide in a middle ground, by saying something free grace believers also believe, that we will produce fruit, so he can try to reinvent himself as a free grace believer who got misunderstood? Free Grace is NOT Antinomianism. They are distinct. Hmm..... he is so cunning and tricky. Is THAT a fruit of salvation?

[@luckied7542]

It is very difficult for me to talk to people who claim they believe in eternal security but still look at behavior as evidence of salvation. They keep insisting that they believe the same as I do and that I misunderstand them.

[@emmaaudu3461]

@@luckied7542 I think such thinking is something to be aware of. There's something as self-deciet right? There is eternal security, however one has to be careful and not think they've been secured when they aren't secured in the first place

[@luckied7542]

@@emmaaudu3461 .... It's OK to question if someone is saved or not if you have doubts. I use the following check list to find out of they're saved by asking them the following questions: • Do you believe that you have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God? • Do you believe that you are hopeless helpless sinner and cannot save yourself? • Do you believe that Jesus was God in the flesh? • Do you believe that Jesus was the only begotten son of the father? • Do you believe that Jesus was born of a virgin? • Do you believe that he died and that he was buried and he rose again on the 3rd day? • Do you believe that his precious blood was enough to cover all your sins past present and future? If they say yes to all these questions then they're saved. Warn them that if they remain in heavy sin God will chastise them. There are born again christians who do remain in heavy sin and they get into more trouble than the lost. Your face stubbornly remain that way long enough they can go to an early grave. We see an example of this in 1st Corinthians chapter 5 verses 1 and 5.

[@emmaaudu3461]

@@luckied7542 And all those are good. I'm actually saying more of a personal examination. I would only be comfortable talking to someone about themselves if they are in a position of authority but their lives show otherwise or maybe out of concern for someone very close. My main thought here is more of a personal examination. And sure saved Christians wallow in grievous sins, I won't make that a yardstick though as many people might take that as an ok to not even exam themselves if there is salvation there in the first place. My point is, yes God who began a work in us work see that it is completed. That being said, we need to be very careful as to not be self-decieved. Not everyone who say lord lord, but everyone that does the will of the father. One of such will is for us to be sanctified. According to the scriptures we are not saved by good works but unto good works, right?

[@luckied7542]

@@emmaaudu3461 ... Agreed. Without faith no one can please God.

[@60sfanatic]

What a low point Christianity has sunk to when we are reduced to arguing over whether obedience to God is essential unto salvation, or an optional extra to receive a reward. Jesus was not in any such doubt when he said things such as "Not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven”. (Matthew 7 vs 21-28) Those taking heed of His warning would have no cause to boast, or expect reward . (Luke 17 vs 9-10) Grace is given to empower us to conquer sin, not to excuse, ignore or even exalt it. Our choice is clear, "for if we are living according to the flesh we must die, but if by the Spirit we are putting to death the deeds of the body, we will live." (Romans 8 vs 13-14) Sayings such as "You cannot out sin the grace of God" (Stanley) and "Let your sins be strong" (Luther) are variations on the Antinomianism heresy addressed by Paul in Romans 6 beginning "are we to sin such that grace might abound?" It is small wonder that we have lost all fear of God and completely forgotten about His "severity". (Romans 11 vs 21-22)

[@60sfanatic]

Fair question Oswald, answer "no". I see myself as endeavouring to cooperate with God in “putting to death the deeds of the body”. (Rom. 8 vs 13) I understand this to be a life long process of "sanctification". The longer we continue as Christians, the more aware we should become of how far short we fall, and hence utterly depend upon grace. I strongly believe in the need for balance in all things including, between the kindness and severity of God. (Rom. 11 vs 22.) We see balance in the messages of Jesus to the Revelation Churches for example. We can take it that none were perfect. But some were pleasing to Him while others were in grave danger of crossing a line, and being rejected. My grave concern is that such a possibility is totally overlooked and denied these days. All balance has gone.

[@mdu6580]

Ted B There is must and shoulds. If there was a condition on Salvation than would it be a free gift??

[@60sfanatic]

+m Du +Oswald Cobblepot I endeavour to be true to all of Scripture, not just selected passages. Consider the gift of physical life that God has given us. We didn't do anything to earn or deserve that gift. But now that we have it, we need to look after it. We shouldn't abuse our bodies. Take unnecessary risks. Commit suicide. Normal things. We are not there-by earning our lives, but sensibly working to preserve them. A HUGE difference. I see the God's gift of faith/eternal life/eternal security in the same way. Faith is a living thing, that we have to cooperate with God to preserve. eg. By "putting to death the deeds of the body". By not so doing, many people make shipwreck of their faith. So I am "sola fide". But "sola scriptura" leads me to conclude that saving faith is a living thing that must have works to survive through to death and judgement.

[@60sfanatic]

As I said Oswald, I understand faith to be a living thing. (James 2: 17&26) If we continue in rebellion, backsliding etc. we will eventually “make shipwreck of our faith”. (As many do) And apart from faith (sola fide) we are lost and destined for hell. We cannot oscillate between saved/unsaved states. For it is impossible to restore those who once saved (by faith), then commit apostasy. (Hebrews 6:1-8) Part of the confusion may lie in the translations. In his book on the KJV, controversy, Calvinist James White references (p175) the following passages where KJV incorrectly renders “being saved” as “saved”. Acts 2:47. 1 Cor. 1:18. 2 Cor. 2:15. Eternal life is the birthright of those who have truly believed and are being saved. But those who continue in rebellion, can eventually surrender that birthright, as Esau did. So I differ from “Lordship Salvation” in some ways but it seems to be the “best fit” to Scripture, that is currently being put forward.

[@mdu6580]

Amen

[@markhenderson7407]

Ok, so i'm a little confused about the whole doctrine of regeneration. When Paul says a Christian cannot stay in sin, what does this mean whenever we will always have at least some sin struggles in this life. Are we dividing different sins here (some will send you to hell but others won't)??? Are we looking at amount of sins toward the latter end of a person's life? Sin repetition rates? Really? How do we even gauge where we're at salvation-wise with this doctrine if it means nearly complete cessation of sin at some point? It's confusing to me how one would be able to properly examine themselves here. When we focus or fixiate on our sin instead of Christ's redemptive work, it becomes confusing and very fear inducing to say the least! Don't get me wrong, i'm not condoning a licence to sin here. A true convert doesn't go around trying to see how much he or she can get away with. This is not what Grace by Faith alone salvation is at all. Quite the contrary true converts hate sin in their lives and don't want it, but it's always there until we're glorified at Christ's return. I think Paul Washer is really a sincere and Godly man, but not sure about what this regeneration really means. Could it mean more about learning to grow in sheer trust in Christ alone for salvation. I see this happening more in my life, as i'm experiencing evidence that i'm still His (Christ's) despite my dreadful and wretched sinful ways. Again, I'm not a complete heathen, just painfully aware of sins that I still struggle with, and may continue to struggle with until I die or Christ returns. I think the focus shouldn't be on our sins, but in growing in our complete trust in Christ alone for salvation, despite our sins. Who will rescue me from this body of death??? Thanks be to God thru Jesus Christ our Lord!! Any comments are welcome.

[@JonathanGrandt]

Paul is not accurately expressing LordShip Salvation here. Does a believer turn from sin? Sure but not FOR SALVATION.

[@slappylippy]

PW, how do you reconcile Romans 4:5 with your "No fruit...no root" doctrine?

[@slappylippy]

Paul Munro Yet the script verse says in Romans 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Clearly this is illustrating one that has no works is still as saved as someone who does because both trust in the finished work of Christ. So when PW says "if you have no works, you're going to hell", he is clearly in error and perpetuating a false teaching. Therefore, John 14:15 is speaking of fellowship with God and being sanctified in Him rather than a statement of positional justification by faith alone.

[@slappylippy]

Paul Munro Well that's the point isn't it? Me, you nor PW have any idea whether or not a professing believer has ZERO fruit after they have been justified by faith. Only God knows. Fact is, I have never known a believer who has no fruit. Also, how many fruits does it take to satisfy PW's criteria? And why does PW spend so much time railing against those have confessed Christ while calling them false converts? I'm pretty sure it's because his fruits (teachings/doctrinal errors/Matthew 7:15-20) are rotten when it comes to salvation. Again, Romans 4:5.

[@slappylippy]

Paul Munro James 2 is talking about faith before men on the horizontal, not the vertical. It's a discussion between people. You are quoting a verse you do not understand...friend. You're not alone tho.....it's the most misunderstood verse in all the NT. Yes we agree, If you believe, you will have fruit.All those born again will have fruit. However, none of those works/fruits play a part in Justification before God. You affirm the heresy of lordship salvation and are apparently oblivious to it. I realize you feel a need to defend PW, but I would take the time to compare the truth of the Gospel to what PW teaches. PW (my word) spends 80% of his time behind the pulpit accusing the already justified. His ministry of one of redundancy. Again.....since Romans 4:5 means exactly what it means, it is totally nonsensical to fruit inspect someone behavior to an "unsaved" status. Lordship salvation=fruit inspector Christianity which produces a convoluted gospel, which is no gospel at all. Perhaps we should use more scripture with versus cited so that our exchange could be more......."fruitful".

[@slappylippy]

Paul Munro All good. Find out what lordship salvation is compared to the gospel and biblical justification. God bless.

[@ritasha2010]

BK Shmocko Jesus Himself said that a good tree bares good fruit and a bad tree bares bad fruit. He also says that trees that do not bare good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire! You wanna argue with Jesus?

[@gmichaelprice668]

For all those who are riding the fence on this issue; Just consider this: Can Jesus save a person who is stuck in a garbage can who has heard the Good News, and believes it, so then cries out for Jesus to come enter his or her's heart and be their savior as they admit that they cannot overcome the sin that they are stuck in without God's strength in them. Does Jesus say to the abused child who was tormented right out the womb into life buried in the cacophony of confusing signals, " I'm sorry, you need to figure out all by yourself in your own strength how to clean up your act before I choose to Love you or even look at you." May nobody ever assume that of our compassionate King! Amazing Grace is like a music box that needs no winding up to play its music; Grace needs no help from man to be Grace, but fallen man cannot accept that, so they put their greasy fingers into this beautiful box and attempt to dissect it and even go so far to say the music you hear is not of God if you did not "first" wined it up with your own strength..think of that. Horrible right? It is wonderful though when a person hears the good news and immediately transforms as Jesus enters their heart! But the angels are just as happy about the ones I mention below: Salvation for some begins with Jesus entering a persons life and then gives them the measure of Himself to transform that life, and it can be a slow process at times. There are chains around people we cannot see, but God does. That is why He died for us "while we we sinners" and that is why He "Loved us first". As for the ones who put conditions on God's Love and Grace, Jesus said we will know them by their fruit.(hashtag: fingers and frowns) Come on somebody! The worst stone one could ever throw is the one aimed at GRACE. The heart muscle of the Holy Ghost is GRACE.

[@jimkraft9445]

The horrible truth of Lordship salvation, is that people believe they are saved by making Jesus Lord of their life, but have never believed the gospel in First Corinthians 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. If you believe He did it for you personally, you are saved, sealed by the Holy Spirit and are given eternal life at that moment. It is what Jesus did for us that saves us, not by what we do or do not do. We can not save ourselves. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, (how) through faith, and that not of yourselves, (we did nothing for it) it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest any many should boast. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 4:30. And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Second Timothy, 2:13 What if we lose our faith? If we believe not, He abideth faithful, He can not deny Himself. (the Holy Spirit that lives in the believer) Second Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, the foundation of God is sure, having this seal, (the Holy Spirit ) the Lord knoweth them that are His. Hebrews 13:5 And be content with such things as ye have for He hath said, I will never leave you or forsake you. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye might KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Salvation is a free gift from God when we believe the gospel. We did nothing for it and we have nothing to boast in. Salvation is not do, it is done. Finished. Jesus paid it all and we paid 0. It cost Jesus everything and cost us nothing, It is free. And that is the only way we can accept the free offer of salvation by grace. Romans 11:6 It is all grace, not works, if it was by works, it is no longer grace, and if by grace, it is no more work. Romans 4:5 But to the one that worketh not, but believe on HIm who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. When we accept Jesus as our savior, He imputes His righteousness to us through the Holy Spirit, and will no longer impute sin to our account. Romans 4:6-8 Lordship salvation is a false gospel that saves no one. We are saved when we believe the gospel. John 6:40 And this is the will of HIm who sent me, that all that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day Matthew 7:21-23 Those that are trusting in their works are not saved because they have never done the will of the Father. John 6:40 Jesus does not know those that do not have His Holy Spirit in them through the new birth when we first trusted Jesus as the only way to be saved. Romans 8:9 So making Jesus Lord of your life does not save you. Believing He died for all your sins is what saves us. AMAZING GRACE, JESUS PAID IT ALL AND WE PAID 0. IT IS FREE. Romans 6:23

[@johndodson8464]

No one is denying that the RESULT of faith is works. But if you add works to the mental act definition of believing, you've violated Sola Fide.

[@dangaerlan6906]

Whoah! I cannot believe that he would miss the importance of context in understanding the Bible....Washer's understanding is so Calvinized and T.U.L.I.P.ized.....

[@reneewashington931]

Accept Jesus as Savior? Where is that in scripture?

[@bonganirobin5431]

Just a small matter of confusion about James 2, it may seem disrespectful for me to presume to teach brother Washer for the anointing on him. The passage in James 2 is reference to the law of liberty mentioned in James 2: 12 & 13. The saving here is from the discipline/chastisement(a.k.a judgement) of the Lord according to the law of liberty. It however is not the one of the law is sin & death(i.e. eternal judgement which is hell fires). We are free from the law of sin & death by the blood of Christ who has redeemed us from its punishment (see Romans 8:2). The law of the Spirit of life in Christ, which is also know as the law of liberty, is not without rules. It as all laws has punishment/judgement which comes by doing certain things i.e. James 2:13, and blessings which come by doing other things i.e. James 1:25(he will be blessed in what he does). Let me add this disclaimer, this may seem like a hoodwinking: the 'save your souls' in James 1:21 is in reference to the law of liberty. We are not with out law(antinomian) in Christ. James is introducing or expounding on the rules and regulations of the Law of liberty, which is also known as the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ. It is the law by which we were freed from the law of sin and death. These are, to put it sprightly, Kingdom rules. Whenever salvation is mentioned in James(i.e, save you/save your souls) it is in reference to the law of liberty( save you from the judgement/discipline/punishment by the law of liberty), to which the believer has no escape from except on one instance ; mercy triumphs over judgement. I hope that someone would be edified from this, most of all if brother Washer and his company would ever read this, I hope that they would take no offence for I have a huge respect for him. I hope that, by the grace of God, I have not and will never touch any of the Lord's anointed. Go well my brother, my elder, respect is due to you

[@stevendunn8197]

James does not contradict Paul, James was talking to people who say they are saved but have no evidence (fruits) that they are saved. When I was saved by grace through faith alone in Christ, I got this unearthly itch to tell someone about Christ, to love the unlovable, to help the homeless and the hungry. That itch is still with me today, its only gotten stronger.

[@AveChristusRex]

When Protestants claim or even suggest that Paul contradicts James, what they mean or imply is that Paul taught you can be saved by a faith which produces no fruit, which is obviously false. James doesn't teach you can do good without faith; and Paul doesn't teach you can be saved without works (since faith doesn't exist without works). There is and never was any contradiction. They are both clear that faith works by love. That faith works together with doing good, to be complete and true faith. And that faith without works is dead. Good works are not optional, since Scripture describes true faith-the only true faith-as producing good works. Anything less than a life full of good works is therefore not faith, and cannot save: "Can that faith save him?"

[@crosswalker1380]

Thank you for sharing this wonderful teaching

[@g6ge]

thankful for this, soli Deo gloria

[@real8342]

But the truth is,we can never be perfect in our carnality. Our flesh is God's enemy..thats why we believe in grace alone..there is nothing we can do, to stop this body from dying everyday. The reason why it's dying or already dead,because it is sin and nothing good comes from it..so im against lordship salvation, because it takes our focus off of Him,and put the focus on us

[@jimkraft9445]

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, (what Jesus did for us) through faith, (when we believe it) It is the GIFT of God, (we did nothing for it) NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. You can not boast in free. Romans 3:26-28. Faith is not a work. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation,, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) in whom also AFTER ye believed ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. What does the seal of the Holy Spirit do? Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, (Just believes John 6:47) but believeth on Him who justifieth the UNGODLY, (Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23) his faith is counted for righteousness. We have to be as righteous as God to go to heaven. Romans 4:6 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness APART FROM WORKS. Blessed is the man who sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Our sin debt, past, present, and future sins are all paid. We can no longer be condemned to hell. John 3:18 We can be chastened by the Lord, and lose our rewards in heaven, but not eternal life because that would make God a liar. John 6:47 Salvation is free by faith alone in Jesus finished work on the cross alone. Our works are for rewards in heaven after we have received the free gift of eternal life by faith alone. First Corinthians 3:11-21. You can not work your way to heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, First John 1:8, but the GIFT of God is eternal life. You can not boast in a free gift because the payments have already been made. Romans 11:6 It is all grace, not works. You can not save yourself. We can only be saved by grace. If you add one work, then it is no longer grace but all works. Oil and water do not mix. Neither do law/works with grace. The GIFT of God is eternal life. First John 5:13 Read it. John 1:12 Romans 1:16 Jesus plus any thing else can not save sinners. Jesus alone. John 3:16. The greatest story ever told.. Romans 1:16

[@Romans-cn8mw]

Works follow grace. A true follower of Christ has already been saved. Good works are not possible without God. Jesus doesn't save you and leave you be. He is always with you. This is the message of John 14. This is not speaking of the false rapture event. Jesus had to go away in order for the Father to send the Holy Spirit to dwell in every believer. "...I will come again and receive you unto myself..." John 13:20, 33 John 14:16-18, 23, 33 John 15:26 John 16:5-7, 16 How do His disciples see Jesus again if He has gone to the Father in Heaven? Because His Spirit comes down to dwell within them!

[@ccsworldaustralia4332]

Hello, MS, i didn't know you are a youtuber as well, i just subs, hope you are well, saw your lovely family, you are blessed. take care

[@harryjwanna1]

if you do not have a relationship with Jesus himself, you have NOTHING. if you think your "interpretation" will help you come judgement day, you are mistaken. SEEK JESUS. deny yourself and follow him. he will lead you and guide you.

[@steveroop11]

Josh ✞ That's awesome. I am a new creation in Christ Jesus, all former things have passed away. I am no longer a homosexual, no longer a drug addict, no longer a thief or a liar. I have been born again. It breaks my heart to see all these people arguing about these things.

[@scriptureplz9045]

Lordship Salvation fails to recognize the believer has two natures. The mortal body is not changed until Jesus returns. The nature of Adam remains (1 Cor. 15:42-54). The "new creature" is the spirit which is "born of God" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9). Jesus said we must be "born again". He said "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:5-6). To be born of the Spirit is to be born with the divine nature. It is completely new "in Christ", having been made spiritually "one" with God (John 17:19-21). Paul teaches in Galatians 5 believers can either walk by the Spirit or the flesh. In Romans 12:1-2, he is addressing those who are already saved, saying it is our "reasonable service" to present ourselves as "living sacrifices". It's a choice of every believer, but Lordship Salvation teaches every believer *will* do this, which is not what this scripture says. 2 Peter 1:1-9 teaches in order to multiply in grace and peace, believers must "add" to their faith. Those believers who don't might wind up "barren and unfruitful", having forgotten they were "purged" from their sins. Lordship salvation twists scripture, misleading people into thinking if they actually were saved, they *will* live the faith, however, I have given scripture that completely deny that teaching, and there's much more scripture I could add to refute this false teaching.

[@SlipKnotRicky]

Is Repentance a prerequisite to Salvation?

[@seekinghimdaily92]

I've only been walking with Christ and seeking Him for 11-12 months at this point of me commenting......it's because the "Christians" of the world I was exposed to growing up DID NOT have the same ideas, actions, lifestyles, beliefs, or LOVE OF CHRIST that Paul Washer describes we should is why I was pretty much agnostic for a while because I couldn't understand how people would claim to love some "God" but act no different than any other person, any atheist/satanist/non-believer/other religion believer-practicer etc. In my journey thus far of study in my walk, I find nothing WRONG with what the principles of Lordship Salvation state and believe Washer when he claims that name was given to himself and others with the same beliefs almost as an insult! I believe in having LORDSHIP FROM OUR PROCLAIMED LORD. I mean how does that NOT make sense to people who don't believe in that?????? One scripture that helped confirm that for me is James 2:14-26.

[@MustardSeedish]

Amen. Even as a Christian who has been walking with Christ for 20 years, even I and "Christians" can ruin God's good name. Just keep looking unto Him.

[@britnisharde7127]

I commend you on your journey. Please continue to seek Him in all that you do. And know, that yes, more times than not we tend to make Dad look bad.. Smh. But God is faithful to prove that He is who He says He is. And that His love endures and conquers all. Even when we fail to uphold our promises ad lifestyles to Him. Be blessed on today fam.

[@MustardSeedish]

Britni Sharde Amen!

[@Mr.Anglo1095]

Amen!!

[@courtney7027]

it's a deep deep truth and it flies way over people's heads. they aren't that mature in Christ yet because they have sat under watered down church preachers for a long time.

[@reneewashington931]

...that whosoever believes in Him... plus whatever you add to Jesus completed work... shall not perish but has everlasting life. Hmmm

[@user-ep8cl3zt7n]

I think I agree with 90% of what Paul w said here but I think the context of "many will say to me lord lord " is misused here. He says "depart from me" not to those who didn't have works but to those who "worked many miracles and cast our demons in your name..." these are people who added works to grace, not antinomians.

[@Djnc17]

"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’" (Matthew 7:21-23) I'm not sure where this extra stuff comes from. It is certainly clear that Jesus said, "Depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness." Of course their works didn't save them, but what was it that kept them out for sure? "Lawlessness". KJV says "iniquity" (sin). What is lawlessness according to Scriptures? Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). Casting out demons and and working miracles won't get anyone into heaven. But scriptures also make clear elsewhere that sin won't enter (1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Rev 22:15, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:5). Again, regarding those to whom Jesus is speaking, it wasn't their dependence on works to save them that kept them out, but their sins.This isn't to say we won't still sin til we die, but we cannot practice such things, willfully sinning after coming to knowledge of the truth. We have to give up those sins, and depend on the grace of God to empower us to do so. We have to make choices every time we are tempted, and it will be a struggle til death. This isn't "salvation by works" either, but obedience.

[@user-ep8cl3zt7n]

I agree with much of what you have said. I'm just trying to make sure people don't put the cart before the horse. We love Him who *first* loved us. We are inspired to become a living sacrifice because Jesus was a dying sacrifice. We live like Jesus because He has brought us true life through being born again by faith alone in Christ's atoning work alone. Since we love him, *then* we keep his commandments. The faith and love come first, then obedience is the fruit of the Spirit we received when we believed. The tree first must be made good by the blood of Jesus then it can bear good fruit. The tree doesn't try to transform itself so that it can be "cleaned up enough" as to be a candidate for grace. I will ask you, what is "the will of my Father in heaven" in Matthew 7:21-23?

[@AveChristusRex]

Right, they weren't cast out for doing the good works his apostles did. It was the misconception regarding their ability to somehow override their sin. As though salvation were a game of scales, where you can keep sin but outweight it YOURSELF by good works. They worked iniquity. Good works like freeing people of devils or healing is not iniquity.

[@gilov3]

Amen. That's what alot of Lordship teachers do... they use some scripture to prove their points... but sadly they use them out of context... and not rightly dividing. I grew up with this doctrine, and finally realized what they were doing... almost NEVER used scripture within context.

[@oldnikonian343]

This is my defence of Lorship salvation from a thread accusing Paul Washer of being a heretic for holding to Lordship salvation, AKA Christianity... === I often see people condemning Lordship Salvation, but to use Paul Washer as an example, when he says, "If you don't have works, you're going to hell" he doesn't mean that we are saved by works, in fact he says outright that we're not. Neither is he saying that we have to be sinless, in fact he says outright that we cannot be. He is referring to evidence of salvation, a changed life, a change of direction. If there is no changed life, no change of direction in a persons life, the conversion experience of that person isn't genuine, because faith without works is dead, because faith ALWAYS results in a changed life, a change of direction... James 2: 14~26 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Genuine saving faith ALWAYS produces works... 1 Thessalonians 1:3 We remember before our God and Father your work produced by faith, your labor prompted by love, and your endurance inspired by hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. As for sin, when Paul washer says to turn away from sin, he's referring to deliberate sin, not inadvertent sin or when we make mistakes because are human and we ALL fall short (Rom 3: 23)... Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left. The people that the message "Lordship Salvation is a heresy" appeals to are those who wish to deliberately sin while falsely claiming to be born again. They use the false teaching that "Lordship salvation" (making Jesus the Lord of your life) is a heresy, as a licence to sin, and why not if they are saved regardless? If their is no changed of life, no new birth, no change of direction, no works in a persons life, it means that they are they are a frauds, they are the ones in whom God has not begun a good work... Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. Good works cannot save, but they are a necessary evidence that a persons conversion experience was genuine, for we are not saved *BY* good works, but *TO DO* good works, we are created in Christ *TO DO* good works... Ephesians 2: 8~10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 *NOT BY WORKS* , so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus *TO DO* good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Genuine Christians don't do to works to *GET* saved, but because they *ARE* saved, it is the *EVIDENCE* that they are saved, the fruit of their salvation, and it *WILL* remain, in other words, they will *KEEP* bearing fruit... John 15: 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain. Of course that doesn't mean that we don't sin any more because we are still in our corrupt bodies of flesh and it doesn't mean that we can't backslide for a season, but God, by His grace will bring His people back to repentance, for they are the ones who WILL overcome before they die or Jesus returns (whichever comes first)... Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Those who are calling humble men of God like Paul Washer heretics, will have to give account for that before God. Say no to Jesus being the Lord of my life? *NEVER.* I'll leave that to those who are looking for an excuse to deliberately and willfully sin. Am I without sin? *NO* because... 1 John 1: 8~10 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness (in His eyes, i.e. the credited the righteousness of Christ through faith). 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. We don't have to be perfectly righteous because Christ was perfectly righteous and that righteousness is credit to us by faith. Our sin is charged to Him on the cross and His righteousness is charged to us... Galatians 3: 6~9 Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith (are credited with the perfect righteousness of Christ in Gods eyes, i.e. He see's their sin no more even though they are still sinners). Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were *STILL* sinners, Christ died for us (by taking our sin upon Himself). There seems to be a lack of posts on here refuting those who deny Lordship Salvation (making Christ your Lord), which begs the question ~ are they being removed to leave a back patting session for those who don't want to make Christ their Lord?

[@oldnikonian343]

Here's another, shorter response I wrote on the thread condemning Lordship salvation, this one, where the condemning video was posted by a youtube user named "Say No To Lordship Salvation." The video is called "Lordship Salvation Blacklist - Part 1" and is linked here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ3IZZ55pZKlrLc === To "Say NO To Lordship Salvation" (the poster of the above video), your user name means, whether you realise it or not, "say no to Jesus being Lord of your life," which would make *YOU* Lord of your life. Perhaps your *OWN* glory is blinding you to the gospel that displays the glory of *CHRIST* ... 2 Cor 4: 4,5 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what *WE* preach is not *OURSELVES* , but *JESUS CHRIST* as Lord, and ourselves as your *SERVANTS* for Jesus’ sake. And what do servants do? They serve and by doing so, they produce works. Is a person who produces no works a servant? Well no. We're either slaves *_(servants)_* to sin or slaves *_(servants)_* to righteousness. John 8:34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. ...but... Romans 6:18 You have been set free from *_(the power of)_* sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Does that mean that we will never sin? No, it means that the *POWER* of sin is broken, but because we are still fallible due to still being in our corrupt flesh, we will *STILL* fall short of God's glory (sin). We will *STILL* have weaknesses where sin is concerned... 2 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. Perhaps you think you came to Christ under your own steam, by your own free will choice, not by Gods electing love and sovereign grace, and that's why you think it's not important to bear fruit *_(works)_* , but Jesus said... John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last. Charles H Spurgeon: "I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil and the spirit of an unhumbled, unrenewed heart. In short, if Jesus isn't the Lord of your life, then He isn't your saviour, because "Lord" and "saviour" are inextricably linked, i.e. Jesus can't be one without the other ... Matthew 7: 21~23 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but *ONLY* the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven *_(those who have MADE Him Lord by being an obedient servant)_* . 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Lordship salvation simply put, is Christianity.

[@mikerems8861]

Very well said brother. Just want to add a few verses in relation to the above-mentioned: Galatians 5:19-21 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will NOT INHERIT the KINGDOM OF GOD. comment: changed life is a necessary consequence of genuine or saving faith. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will INHERIT the KINGDOM OF GOD. comment: changed life is a NECESSARY consequence of genuine or saving faith. Romans 2:5-8 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give ETERNAL LIFE. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. comment: changed life is a NECESSARY consequence of genuine or saving faith. Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the FRUIT of the SPIRIT is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. comment: changed life is a NECESSARY consequence of genuine or saving faith. 2 Corinthians 13:5 EXAMINE yourselves to see whether you are IN THE FAITH; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you-unless, of course, you fail the test? comment: Examine whether or not your faith is genuine. There is a false "faith" as pointed out in James 2:14-26 Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. comment: Lordship comes hand in hand with genuine faith. If you truly believe in Jesus, you will make him your Lord. Luke 14:27 And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My DISCIPLE. comment: Lordship comes hand in hand with genuine faith. If you truly believe in Jesus, you will make him your Lord. Are non-disciples of Christ saved? Luke 9:23-25 23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my DISCIPLE must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. 25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? comment: Lordship comes hand in hand with genuine faith. If you truly believe in Jesus, you will make him your Lord. Are non-disciples of Christ saved? Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. comment: Lordship comes hand in hand with genuine faith. If you truly believe in Jesus, you will make him your Lord. Are non-disciples of Christ saved? Matthew 19:16-26 16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to GET ETERNAL LIFE?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]” 20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” 26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” comment: Lordship comes hand in hand with genuine faith. If you truly believe in Jesus, you will make Him your Lord. ....and more P.S. Acts 16:31 and verses similar therewith are very true, but these above-mentioned verses are just as true as Acts 16:31. Hence, we need to reconcile these verses, otherwise, we imply that the bible contradicts itself. Hence, indeed it is only by faith in Jesus that we are saved, but it has to be GENUINE faith--that which produces a changed life, and not a false "faith". A life in the lordship of Christ is a lifestyle of obedience to Christ, not perfect obedience(because we still have flesh), but a life in the direction of obedience to Christ, there is growing in the obedience to Christ. It is the turning around from a SELFish lifestyle to a lifestyle in obedience to CHRIST. (a shift from SELF to CHRIST). If one truly has faith in Jesus, or trusts Jesus, then why will he not allow Him to lead his life? If not, does he truly trust Christ? Does he trust himself, or does he trust Christ? To avoid confusion from the readers, salvation is not attained by works, but by faith in Christ--that faith which is genuine, but good works will be produced by someone who is genuinely saved. Once saved always saved. God bless.

[@oldnikonian343]

+Mike Rems, it's not difficult to see that you are a true brother in Christ, one who seeks to submit to His lordship as He commands, so thank you for those additional verses brother ;o) You wrote the following at the end of your post... *"To avoid confusion from the readers, salvation is not attained by works, but by faith in Christ--that faith which is genuine, but good works will be produced by someone who is genuinely saved."* Yes, it's VERY important to point out that we are saved by the gift of faith alone, but genuine faith WILL produce good works AFTER believing. Those who hold to easy-believism invariably leave out verse 10 from this passage... Ephesians 2: 8~10 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. *10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus **_to DO good works,_**" (not BY good works) *which God prepared in advance for us to do.* When the text is taken out of context (con

[@mikerems8861]

Thank you brother. God bless you and your kin as well. These people sound so right on the surface unless if you further dig into God's word. The reason that they sound so right is that the verses that they pound on people's minds are those that we believers also embrace,among others (e.g. John 3;16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Act 16:31), but people need to be reminded that the other parts of the bible are just as truthful as these verses. My advise to the readers of this thread is to interpret the bible in its entirety. That means reading the bible from cover to cover, once done, read it again, and again, and again(don't depend too much on daily devotion booklets). Selective reading is discouraged. The more you read the bible in its entirety, the less likely you will be entangled by false teachings. Of course, we should not neglect asking wisdom from the Lord, and trusting Him that He can and will provide the same. Let's not be fully dependent on Pastors(although God can use them to provide for us wisdom, and im not saying also that we should stop attending fellowship in our respective local churches) because if they are wrong, especially in the aspect of salvation, then that is big trouble (could be eternal trouble). In all fairness brother, i do not think that all these people(easy believists) are not saved. A fraction of them could be, but i just think that what they teach is wrong, and thus, should be corrected. To all easy believists who have not yet submitted their lives to the Lordship of Christ: You already believe that Jesus already paid for our sins, and He is God, don't you? If he is God, then He is omnipotent, omniscient,and LOVING, isn't He? If so, then He can definitely take care of you if you let Him be in charge. So I challenge you: why not surrender your lives to Him? Make Him be in control over your life. It is not my command, it is His. Don't you think we are better off in His hands than in our own hands? Remember, He LOVES His sheep, hence, He will take care of His sheep. As they say, "let go and let God." Peace be with all of you. By the way brother, from what country are you? Thanks for the verses by the way, they will be noted. :)

[@oldnikonian343]

Hi Mike, I agree with you regarding the dire need to take account of the whole counsel of God, to divide righly His word of truth, to engage in exegesis... exegesis [ek-si-jee-sis] noun. critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, especially of the Bible. ...rather than eisegesis... eisegesis [ahy-si-jee-sis] noun. an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text. I also agree that not all in the easy-believism camp are unsaved as even true believers can have their ears tickled and stray from the path of pure devotion to Christ, although there will be some who are outright Antinomians. Antinomianism is an old word for an old heresy that is still with us today, in fact in these days of great deception, it's more prevalent than the true faith, so... Matthew 7: 13,14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Webster's 1828 dictionary defines an antinomian as ~ n. One of a sect who maintain, that, under the gospel dispensation, the moral law is of no use or obligation; or who hold doctrines which supersede the necessity of good works and a virtuous life. This sect originated with John Agricola about the year 1538. That's when the heresy first took hold proper, but there were cases of Antinomianism back in the apostolic era... Jude 1: 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord (deny His lordship). 2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them (His lordship), bringing swift destruction upon themselves. The word antinomianism comes from two Greek words, anti, meaning "against"; and nomos, meaning "law." Antinomianism means “against the law” or "lawless." If we consider who is being addressed in 2 Peter, we need to go right back to the beginning of the letter and we see that it is written to p[rofessing believers... 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ *have received a faith as precious as ours* Now when we look ahead in that same letter, we see Peter calling those same professing believers to repentance, to Christ's lordship... 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Clearly in Peters time there were those who although they professed faith, were not producing fruit in keeping with repentance and he was calling them to repentance. Those who refuse to repent, turn to Christ and follow His commands were never true believers in the first place and WILL perish. Btw, I'm from the UK. And you?

[@karenturner8322]

Wide gate vs narrow gate...just keep on doing what you want being lord of your life that’s wide gate submitting to the will of God that’s the narrow gate..read your bibles those of you calling this man as a heretic.

[@shanusav]

I believe that persecution of the church (the body of real believers) will come from within. Many of the posters here prove it to me. To believe that God regenerates us is called heresy. To believe that we are changed, made new, and our behaviors become different is vilified. Why? My theory is that those who fight so bitterly do so because they are living lives that they are ashamed of, but they don't want to stop. They refuse to surrender to God. That is hard. Heck, it is practically suicidal. Instead, they reshape God as Santa. They don't change. They change the scriptures. And they are a growing force. Soon they will turn against good churches and the persecution will begin... I know, I am doom and gloom.

[@charlottehullender3169]

i am confident of the same thing concerning widespread persecution. the pump is being primed by so-called Christians not being able to tolerate sound doctrine. They will be the ones turning us in as enemies of the state to be slaughtered. May God give us endurance at that time, and He will!

[@ryangallmeier5987]

Systematic Theology matters! The proper 'Ordo Salutis' (Order of Salvation) matters! Q. What is the sole, *instrumental means* of the sinner's justification? A. Faith ('sola fide'). Q. What is the sole, *efficient cause* of the sinner's justification? A. Christ's sacrifice ('solus Christus'). *We could also discuss here the imputed (notice: not 'imparted,' or, 'infused') righteousness of Christ's active and passive obedience to the sinner's account. This is where we could also say that all the faithful are justified by works: Christ's works imputed to us; not any of our own works. Two simple answers to two very in-depth questions. I noticed that Washer did not address the doctrine of justification in this vid. He addressed the need to emphasis the doctrine of regeneration, and then he jumped to sanctification. Non-Lordship proponents want to stop and concentrate on what's between these two, namely, justification, and the proper prerequisite for it. This is commendable, but in their theology there is often a disconnection between justification and sanctification. That is, they teach that you can have one without the other. This proposition the Scriptures know nothing about. Therefore, it is unacceptable. (This is why I have said that listening to Lordship/non-Lordship debates is like watching two ships passing in the night…it's frustrating). Now, non-Lordship proponents tend to believe that 'faith' is the sole, *efficient cause* for the sinner's justification, rather than the sole, *instrumental means* for it. This is in error, and makes God's justification (not to mention His grace) something earned by one's belief. They believe that faith is something that any lost sinner can exercise. They deny that faith is a divine gift given to the regenerated sinner alone, no one else. Since non-Lordship proponents tend to be synergistic in their soteriology, they have a faulty view of how a sinner comes to saving faith. They do not have regeneration as logically prior to God's gift of saving faith. Washer is pointing this out when emphasizing the necessity for the recognition in our churches of the doctrine of regeneration. However, Lordship Salvation proponents need to be very careful when answering the question: 'what is saving faith?'. If 'obedience, commitment, repentance…etc.' are thrown into the very simple definition of saving faith, then this is *false*. The definition of saving faith (notice: not the 'Christian Faith' in totality, which would include all Christian doctrine) is: mental acquiescence to understood propositions concerning the gospel of Jesus Christ. Faith is: intellectual assent (same as 'mental acquiescence') to understood propositions. Two things are included in the definition: 1) understanding/knowledge of some proposition(s); and, 2) assent that the proposition(s) is/are true (in other words, saying, 'Amen!' to them/it). Lordship Salvation proponents, often following what John MacArthur wrote in (at least the 1st edition) of his book, "The Gospel According to Jesus," are missing his (at least previously) erroneous definition of saving faith, and need to be reminded of the true, biblical definition. It is precisely here that non-Lordship salvation proponents take issue with Lordship proponents; and they are right to do so. Both sides have their errors, to be sure; and we should concentrate on cleaning up our own houses before we attempt to clean up another's. BTW…I'm a Reformed Baptist, myself…just so people know where I'm coming from :) Hope this is helpful and edifying. In Jesus' precious name.

[@Janicesaheed]

Guys I watched a sermon where he says we can’t be sinless

[@marylamb6063]

Lordship Salvation is Roman Catholicism. We Catholics teach "enabling grace," not saving grace. Christ died for you, but you have to complete your salvation by cooperating with God to work out your salvation. A lot of Protestants are like us Catholics. They just don't realize it. I just wish the Lordship Salvation group would acknowledge that they' re using our beliefs!

[@markrobertsministries]

Yes and your wrong.

[@ribletsm4313]

"And here's another that we need to see?" While I agree with what he's saying, he doesn't need to see anything. Each person is responsible for their own salvation.

[@markrobertsministries]

What's he talking about regeneration? Repentance?

[@36742650885]

To be led by the Spirit is to be under Grace otherwise we are under the law or walking in the flesh and those who are in the flesh cannot please God

[@CalledHigher-ib8ce]

Im not afraid to comment. I'll prove from some scriptures that Salvation is by faith alone.Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then?It is excluded. By what law?of works?Nay:but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the DEEDS of the LAW.

[@tabasco7915]

Amen and Amen! Good video! The right balance and understanding of scripture is essential. If one is truly saved, the sanctifying work of the Spirit will be evident as 2 Cor. 3:18 and many other passages articulate. We are not working for or adding to our (completed) salvation / justification; we as God's people are simply corresponding with Him working in us as we find this to be the harmony of saving faith all throughout scripture. Although we may interfere, there is no avoiding such sovereign practicality if He resides within an individual.

[@lucashack5318]

Proverbs 3:11-12: “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives. If what Washer is saying is true, then God would have no need to discipline his sheep. Yes, you should be obedient to God in your walk through this life, but that has nothing to do with your salvation. If you believe Jesus died on the Cross for your sins and you accept him as your savior, and you disobey God after that, God will let you know that he doesn't approve. He doesn't say, " nope, you never new me because you didn't bear lots of fruit. " He won't take back the gift of salvation. He'll allow you to suffer down here without helping you. If you get too bad, or wicked, he'll pull you out the game. A Christian that disobeys God will have a hard life down here. But he will not lose his salvation because he didn't bear lots of fruit in his earthly walk. Believing is enough. Blessings come when you obey.

[@imavishcii1123]

Lucas Hack Well if he disobeys God like the commandments and sin is breaking of God’s Law For the Wages of sin is death

[@lucashack5318]

@@imavishcii1123 Yes. The wages of sin is death... on this earth. The Bible does not say, the wages of sin is hell. The wages of unbelief is hell. Christ paid for man's sins on the cross with his blood. All you have to do is turn to Jesus and accept it.

[@imavishcii1123]

Prove me scripture

[@lucashack5318]

@@imavishcii1123 1 John 2:2-3 KJV "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." If you want to know God's commandments, read 1 John 3-23. John actually tells us what God's commandments are.

[@lucashack5318]

@@imavishcii1123 Did you ever go read 1 John 3-23 for God's commandment?

[@ChristisLord]

Thank you for sharing, sister...liked and shared.

[@datchet11]

Christian Praise and Worship in Songs, Sermons, and Audio Books I love your channel 😁👍🏼

[@Jesusandbible]

Paul Washer in his ramble does not seem to grasp the meaning of the centre of his own heresy. Why go on and on and on and on preaching as a "dense" that he thinks real believers will produce fruit? Does he REALLY believe that Free Grace believers DONT think we will produce fruit? This whole ramble by him is evading the issue...... WHAT IS THE BIBLICALLY DEFINED "Gospel by which we are saved"? I have NEVER seen a Lordship Salvationist believer state a clear concise gospel of salvation, rather an hour long video to HIDE their actual covert salvation by works error.

[@TSammut0219]

Exactly. They make the gospel confusing with their rambling and covering up. They all sound like boasters to me.

[@hi2cole]

T Sammut No, you are complicating it. He is actually pretty simple to understand. You are saved by faith, but works prove your faith to be genuine and that your spirit is regenerated.

[@TSammut0219]

+hi2cole works prove your faith before man, not God. Read James 2 and Romans 4. But Paul washer teaches works probe salvation before God, which is heresy

[@hi2cole]

T Sammut I'm not sure I agree, the verse says faith without works is dead, now I agree with you on your works Justify you before men, but we need to be sure our faith in him is genuine. Christians need to stay with God and to let him get rid of your carnality. I don't believe in a carnal christian. Works don't save, but when God saves you, you are a new creature.

[@jimkraft9445]

We are either saved by grace, (what Jesus did for us on the cross) or we are saved by works. Romans 4:5 If you think you can make yourself good enough to go to heaven by what you do, you will end up in hell because you have not trusted in the only way to be saved. We are all sinners, but Jesus paid for all sin so that we could be saved by what He did for us, not by what we do or do not do. Our works. We can not save our selves. Only Jesus can save us when we believe that He is the only way to be saved. Paul said he was yet carnal, so I guess we probably are too. We are saved when we trusted Jesus as the only way to be saved. Not by any works we do or do not do. Salvation is a free gift of God and is the only way we could be saved. Galatians 1:8-9 says if we preach any other gospel than all grace, we will be accursed. Salvation by works is another gospel. It is not grace. Romans 11:6 Romans 4:5 We can only be saved by what Jesus did for us sinners on the cross, not by any thing we do or do not do. Only Jesus work can save us, we can not save ourselves by works. Those that preach another gospel will be accursed. Matthew 7:15-23 These are false teachers preaching a gospel of works salvation. Jesus says, depart from me, I never knew you.

[@oldglory6922]

Having a staunch Calvinistic discuss Lordship salvation reminds me of the classic idiom of “the Fox 🦊 guarding the henhouse”. ✝️📖😜

[@LuciaTheGoddess]

WHY I DISAGREE WITH ALL FIVE POINTS OF CALVINISM by Dr. Curtis Hutson (1934-1995) The term "Calvinism" is loosely used by some people who do not hold Calvin's teaching on predestination and do not understand exactly what Calvin taught. Dr. Loraine Boettner in his book, "The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination" says, "The Calvinistic system especially emphasizes five distinct doctrines. These are technically known as "The Five Points of Calvinism". And they are the main pillars upon which the superstructure rests." Dr. Boettner further says, "The five points may be more easily remembered if they are associated with the word T-U-L-I-P , T, Total Inability; U, Unconditional Election; L, Limited Atonement; I, Irresistible (efficacious) Grace; and P, Perseverance of the Saints." These are the points of Calvinism. I have heard preachers say, "I am a one-point Calvinist." I have heard others say, "I am a two- or three-point Calvinist." I want us to look at all five points of Calvinism as taught by John Calvin, then see what the Bible has to say on each point. ------------------- I. Total Inability ------------------- By total inability Calvin meant that a lost sinner cannot come to Jesus Christ and trust Him as Saviour, unless he is foreordained to come to Christ. By total inability he meant that no man has the ability to come to Christ. And unless God overpowers him and gives him that ability, he will never come to Christ The Bible teaches total depravity, and I believe in total depravity. But that simply means that there is nothing good in man to earn or deserve salvation. The Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." A preacher brought a wonderful sermon on the depravity of the human heart. And when he finished his message, someone came to him and said," I want you to know I can't swallow that depraved heart that you preached about." The preacher smiled and said, "You don't have to swallow it. It's already in you!" While the Bible teaches the depravity of the human race, it nowhere teaches total inability. The Bible never hints that people are lost because they have no ability to come to Christ. The language of Jesus was, "Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life" (John 5:40). Notice, it is not a matter of whether or not you can come to Christ; it is a matter of whether or not you will come to Christ. Jesus looked over Jerusalem and wept and said, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem . . .how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matt. 23:37). Here again notice, He did not say, "How often would I have gathered you together, but you could not." No. He said, "Ye would not!" It was not a matter of whether they could; it was a matter of whether they would. Revelation 22:17, the last invitation in the Bible, says, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely ." If it is true that no person has the ability to come to Christ, then why would Jesus say in John 5:40, "Ye will not come to me." why didn't He simply say, "You cannot come to me."? The only thing that stands between the sinner and salvation is the sinner's will. God made every man a free moral agent. And God never burglarises the human will. D. L. Moody addressed a large group of sceptics. He said ,"I want to talk about the word believe, the word receive, and the word take." When Mr. Moody had finished his sermon, he asked, "Now who will come and take Christ as Saviour?" One man stood and said, "I can't." Mr. Moody wept and said, "Don't say, 'I can't.' Say, 'I won't!'" And the man said, "Then, I won't!" But another man said, "I will!" Then another said, "I will!" And another said , "I will!" Until scores came to trust Christ as Saviour. Some Calvinists use John 6:44 in an effort to prove total inability. Here the Bible says, "No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him...."But the Bible makes it plain in John 12:32 that Christ will draw all men unto Himself. Here the Bible says, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." All men are drawn to Christ, but not all men will trust Christ as Saviour. Every man will make his own decision to trust Christ or to reject Him. The Bible makes it clear that all men have light. John 1:9 says, "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Romans 1:19,20 indicates that every sinner has been called through the creation about him. And Romans 2:11-16 indicates that sinners are called through their conscience, even when they have not heard the Word of God. So in the final analysis, men go to Hell, not because of their inability to come to Christ, but because they will not come to Christ-"Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." The teaching that men, women and children are totally unable to come to Christ and trust Him as Saviour is not a scriptural doctrine. The language itself is not scriptural. ------------------- II. Unconditional Election ------------------ By unconditional election Calvin meant that some are elected to Heaven, while others are elected to Hell, and that this election is unconditional. It is wholly on God's part and without condition. By unconditional election Calvin meant that God has already decided who will be saved and who will be lost, and the individual has absolutely nothing to do with it. He can only hope that God has elected him for Heaven and not for Hell. This teaching so obviously disagrees with the oft-repeated invitations in the Bible to sinners to come to Christ and be saved that some readers will think that I have overstated the doctrine. So I will quote John Calvin in his "Institutes," Book III, chapter 23, "....Not all men are created with similar destiny but eternal life is foreordained for some , and eternal damnation for others. Every man, therefore, being created for one or the other of these ends, we say, he is predestined either to life or to death." So Calvinism teaches that it is God's own choice that some people are to be damned forever. He never intended to save them. He foreordained them to go to Hell. And when He offers salvation in the Bible, He does not offer it to those who were foreordained to be damned. It is offered only to those who were foreordained to be saved. This teaching insists that we need not try to win men to Christ because men cannot be saved unless God has planned for them to be saved. And if God has planned for them to be eternally lost, they will not come to Christ. There is the Bible doctrine of God's foreknowledge, predestination and election. Most knowledgeable Christians agree that God has His controlling hand on the affairs of men. They agree that according to the Bible, He selects individuals like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David as instruments to do certain things He has planned. Most Christians agree that God may choose a nation-particularly that He did choose Israel, through which He gave the law, the prophets, and eventually through whom the Saviour Himself would come- and that there is a Bible doctrine that God foreknows all things. I have often said, "Did it ever occur to you that nothing ever occurred to God?". God in His foreknowledge knows who will trust Jesus Christ as Saviour, and He has predestined to see that they are justified and glorified. He will keep all those who trust Him and see that they are glorified. But the doctrine that God elected some men to Hell, that they were born to be damned by God's own choice, is a radical heresy not taught anywhere in the Bible. I have in my hand a booklet entitled TULIP written by Vic Lockman. In the booklet Mr. Lockman attempts to prove the five points of Calvinism. Under the point, Unconditional Election, he quotes Ephesians 1:4, but he only quotes the first part of the verse: "He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world. " However, that is not the end of the verse. Mr. Lockman, like most Calvinists, stopped in the middle of the verse. The entire verse reads: "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." The verse says nothing about being chosen for Heaven or Hell. It says we are chosen that we should be holy and without blame before him in love Under the same point, Unconditional Election, Mr. Lockman quotes John 15:16, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you." Again, Mr. Lockman, like most Calvinists, stops in the middle of the verse. The entire verse reads: "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you." The verse says nothing about being chosen for Heaven or Hell. It says we are chosen to go and bring forth fruit, which simply means that every Christian is chosen to be a soul winner. The fruit of a Christian is other Christians. Proverbs 11:30 says, "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise." Nowhere does the Bible teach that God wills for some to go to Heaven and wills others to go to Hell. No. The Bible teaches that God would have all men to be saved. Second Peter 3:9 says that He is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." First Timothy 2:4 says, "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." Those who teach that God would only have some to be saved, while He would have others to be lost are misrepresenting God and the Bible. Does God really predestinate some people to be saved and predestinate others to go to Hell, so that they have no free choice? Absolutely not! Nobody is predestined to be saved, except as he chooses of his own free will to come to Christ and trust Him for salvation. And no one is predestined to go to Hell, except as he chooses of his own free will to reject Christ and refuses to trust Him as Saviour. John 3:36 says, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Nothing could be plainer. The man who goes to Heaven goes because he comes to Jesus Christ and trusts Him as Saviour. And the man who goes to Hell does so because he refuses to come to Jesus Christ and will not trust Him as Saviour. ------------------ III. Limited Atonement ----------------- By limited atonement, Calvin meant that Christ died only for the elect, for those He planned and ordained to go to Heaven: He did not die for those He planned and ordained to go to Hell. Again I say, such language is not in the Bible , and the doctrine wholly contradicts many, many plain Scriptures. For instance, the Bible says in I John 2:2, "He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world ." The teaching of Calvinism on Limited Atonement contradicts the express statement of Scripture. First Timothy 2:5,6 says, " The man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all...." The Bible teaches that Jesus is the Saviour of the world. John 4:42 says, "And said unto the woman, Now we believe , not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." Again I John 4:14, "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world." The Scriptures make it plain that Jesus came to save the world. John 3:17 says, " For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." No man will ever look at Jesus Christ and say, "You didn't want to be my Saviour ." No! No! Jesus wants to be the Saviour of all men. As a matter of fact, I Timothy 4:10 says, "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." The Bible teaches that Christ bore the sins of all people. Isaiah 53:6 says, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." There are twos "alls" in this verse. The first "all" speaks of the universal fact of sin- "All we like sheep have gone astray." And the second "all" speaks of universal atonement-"and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." The "all" in the first part of Isaiah 53:6 covers. If all went astray, then the iniquities of all were laid on Christ. Not only did He bear the sins of us all, but the Bible plainly teaches that He died for the whole world.Look at John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world." If that isn't plain enough, the Bible says His death was for every man; "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Heb. 2:9). Nothing could be plainer than the fact that Jesus Christ died for every man. First timothy 2:5,6 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all. . . . " Romans 8:32 states, "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?" Look at the statements--statement after statement: "that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man"; "Who gave himself a ransom for all"; "delivered him up for us all." John 3:16 has often been called "the heart of the Bible." It has been called "the Bible in miniature." "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Jesus died for the whole world. He suffered Hell for every man who has ever lived or ever will live. And no man will look out of Hell and say, "I wanted to be saved, but Jesus did not die for me." Some argue that if Jesus died for the whole world, the whole world would be saved. No. the death of Jesus Christ on the cross was sufficient for all, but it is efficient only to those who believe. The death of Jesus Christ on the cross made it possible for every man everywhere to be saved. But only those who believe that He died to pay their sin debt and who trust Him completely for salvation will be saved. Again I quote John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life. . . ." Everybody is potentially saved, but everybody is not actually saved until he recognises that he is a sinner, believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay the sin debt, and trust Him completely for salvation. The atonement is not limited. it is as universal as sin. Romans 5:20 says, "But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound." Isaiah 53:6 states, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." A famous English preacher spoke in an English town, then rushed to catch his train for London. A sinner who heard him preach felt that he must immediately settle the matter of salvation. So he followed the preacher to the train. Just as the train pulled into the station, he took hold of the preacher's lapel and said, " I want to be saved! Tell me how!" The minister said, "I must catch this last rain to London. Do you have a Bible?" "Yes, I have one at home," said the anxious inquirer. "Then go home and find Isaiah 53:6. Read it carefully. Go in at the first all, and come out at the last all, and you will be saved." The preacher rushed away, and the anxious sinner was left alone. He went back to his home, and opening his Bible, he turned to Isaiah 53:6. What did the preacher mean, he wondered--"Go in at the first all and come out at the last all, and you will be saved"? He found the verse and read it carefully: "All we like sheep have gone astray." Well, he thought to himself, I can certainly go in at the first all. I have gone astray. I am a poor, lost sinner. The he read the last part of the verse, "And the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." He said to himself, "If I come out at the last all, I must believe that all my sins were laid on Christ, that He took my place and paid for my sins. And if I rely upon that, I will be saved. That's what the preacher meant." He then trusted Christ and was saved. He believed that he was a sinner, and that all his sins had been laid on Christ. --------------- IV. Irresistible Grace ---------------- The fourth point of Calvinism is irresistible grace. By irresistible grace, John Calvin meant that God simply forces people to be saved. God elected some to be saved, and he let Jesus Christ die for that elect group. And now by irresistible grace, He forces those He elected, and those Jesus Christ died for to be saved. The truth of the matter is, there is no such thing as irresistible grace. Nowhere in the Bible does the word "irresistible" appear before the word "grace". That terminology is simply not in the Bible. It is the philosophy of John Calvin, not a Bible doctrine. The word "irresistible" doesn't even sound right in front of the word "grace." Grace means "God's unmerited favour." Somebody said G-R-A-C-E- God's riches at Christ's expense. Grace is an attitude, not a power. If Calvin had talked about the irresistible drawing power of God, it would have made more sense. But instead, he represents grace as the irresistible act of God compelling a man to be saved who does not want to be saved, so that a man has no choice in the matter at all, except as God forcibly puts a choice in his mind. Calvinism teaches that man has no part in salvation, and cannot possibly co-operate with God in the matter. In no sense of the word and at no stage of the work does salvation depend upon the will or work of man or wait for the determination of his will. Does the Bible say anything about irresistible grace? Absolutely not! The Scriptures show that men do resist and reject God. Proverbs 29:1 states, "He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." Notice the word "often" in this verse. If God only gave one opportunity to be saved, then man could not complain. But here the Bible says, "He, that being often reproved.. . " This means the man was reproved over and over again. Not only was he reproved many times, but he was reproved often. But the Bible says he "hardeneth his neck" and "shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." That certainly doesn't sound like irresistible grace. The Bible teaches that a man can be reproved over and over again, and that he can harden his neck against God, and as a result will be destroyed without remedy. Again Proverbs 1:24-26 says, "Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." Here the Bible plainly says, "I have called, and ye have refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof." That doesn't sound like irresistible grace. God calls, and men refuse. Is that irresistible? God stretches out his hand and no man regards it? Is that irresistible grace? No. The Bible makes it plain that some men do reject Christ, that they refuse His call. John 5:40 says, "Ye will not come to me, that ye may have life." That verse plainly teaches that men can and do resist God and refuse to come to Him. In Acts chapter 7, we find Stephen preaching. He says in verse 51, "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." To these Jewish leaders, Stephen said, "Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost." So here were people; some of whom had seen Jesus and heard Him preach; others who had heard Peter at Pentecost; others who had heard Stephen and other Spirit-filled men preaching with great power. And what had they done? They were stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears. That is ,they were stubborn and rebellious against God. The Bible plainly says, "They resisted the Holy Ghost." Notice the words of Stephen in verse 51, "Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." Here the Bible teaches that not only were these Jewish leaders resisting the Holy Ghost, but that their fathers before them had also resisted the Holy Spirit. Stephen says that all the way from Abraham, through the history of the Jewish nation, down to the time of Christ, unconverted Jews had resisted the Holy Spirit. There is absolutely no such thing as a "can't-help-it-religion." God doesn't just force men to be saved with His so-called irresistible grace. God offers salvation to all men. Titus 1:11 says, "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men." But man must make his own choice. He must either receive or reject Christ . John 1:12 says. "But as many as received him , to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." When Jesus wept over Jerusalem, he said, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, ho often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" Here again the Bible clearly indicates that God would have gathered them together as a hen gathers her chickens, but they would not. That certainly shows that they could reject and resist Christ. "I would, but ye would not" does not fit the teaching of irresistible grace. So people do resist the Holy Ghost. They do refuse to come to Christ. They do harden their necks. They do refuse when God calls. That means that those who are not saved could have been saved. Those who have rejected Christ could have accepted Him. God offers salvation to those who will have it, but does not enforce it upon anyone who doesn't want it. -------------- V. Perseverance of the Saints -------------- The Bible teaches, and I believe in, the eternal security of the born-again believer. The man who has trusted Jesus Christ has everlasting life and will never perish. But the eternal security of the believer does not depend on his perseverance. I do not know a single Bible verse that says anything about the saints' persevering, but there are several Bible verses that mention the fact that the saints have been preserved. Perseverance is one thing. Preservation is another. No. The saints do not persevere; they are preserved. The Bible states in Jude 1. "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ..." First Thessalonians 5:23 says, "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul, and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." The other morning I opened a jar of peach preserves. I don't know how long those peaches have been in that jar. But the jar had been sealed some time ago, and the peaches were preserved. When I took out the preserves and ate them with a good hot biscuit, they were as good as they were the day they were placed in the jar. But wait a minute! The peaches had nothing to do with it. They were not fresh and good because they had persevered. They were good and fresh because they had been preserved. The Bible makes it plain that the believer is kept. He does not keep himself. First Peter 1:4,5 states: "To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." The Bible says in John 10:27-29: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand." Now that doesn't sound like perseverance of the sheep or the saints. Here the sheep are in the Fathers hand, and they are safe-not because they persevere, but because they are in the Fathers hand. Charles Spurgeon once said, "I do not believe in the perseverance of the Saviour." To be sure, the Bible teaches the eternal security of the believer. But the believer's security has nothing to do with his persevering. We are secure because we are kept by God. We are held in the Father's hand. And according to Ephesians 4:30, we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. So I disagree with all five points of Calvinism as John Calvin taught it. There is a belief that if one does not teach universal salvation, he must either be a Calvinist or an Arminian. In this book, The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination, Dr. Loraine Boettner says on page 47, "There are really only three systems which claim to set forth the way of salvation through Christ [And he names them]: "(1) Universalism, that all will be saved. (2) Arminianism, which holds that Christ died equally and indiscriminately for every individual......., that saying grace is not necessarily permanent, but that those who are loved of God, ransomed by God, and born of the Holy Spirit may (let God wish and strive ever so much to the contrary) throw away all and perish eternally; and (3) Calvinism." He continues, "Only two are held by Christians." That is Calvin's position and Arminius' position." Calvinists would like to make people believe that if one does not teach universal salvation, he must either be a Calvinist or an Arminian. And since the Arminian position does such violence to the grace of God, many preferred to call themselves Calvinists. But a person doesn't have to take either position. I am neither Arminian nor Calvinist. I believe in salvation by grace through faith in the finished work of Christ. I believe in the eternal security of the believer. I believe that Jesus Christ died for all men, and I believe what the Bible says, "That whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." But I disagree with all five points of Calvinism as John Calvin taught it. In conclusion, let me say that Calvin and those who followed him claimed to believe and follow the Bible. They claimed to find at least a germ of the Calvinist doctrine in the Scriptures. But a careful student will find that again and again they go beyond Scripture, and that Calvinism is a philosophy developed by man and depending on fallible logic and frail, human reasoning, with the perversion of some Scriptures, the misuse of others, and the total ignoring of many clear Scriptures. Calvin did teach many wonderful, true doctrines of the Scripture. It is true that God foreknows everything that will happen in the world. It is true that God definitely ordained and determined some events ahead of time and selected some individuals for His purposes. It is certain that people are saved by grace, and are kept by the power of God. That far Calvinists may well their doctrines by the Scriptures. But beyond that, Calvinism goes into the realm of human philosophy. It is not a Bible doctrine, but a system of human philosophy, especially appealing to the scholarly intellect, the self-sufficient and proud mind. Brilliant, philosophical, scholarly preachers are apt to be misled on this matter more than the humble-hearted, Bible-believing Christian.

[@halilalexanderzeverboom6872]

Romans 4:1-8 says justification without any works. James 2:14-26 says justification by faith and works. Hebrews 4:1-11 says those who came to faith and entered God's rest will rest from their works. Works are never the basis for salvation, faith is. And God is now working in us to sanctify us by His truth because it truly is His truth that sets us free in the long run, not our inpur or commitment. We may rest as God works in us. We can't kill any sin by our flesh, if we believe so, we deep down believe a false works based Gospel unto salvation.

[@tiny72]

There is only two times in scripture where regeneration is mentioned, Matthew 19:28, and Titus 3:5. In Matthew Jesus refers this regeneration as the 1,000 year reign. In Titus Paul refers this regeneration as washing, a work of God's mercy, salvation and renewing of the Holy Ghost, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour.(Titus 3:6). He uses James as faith without works is dead(James 2:26), but the context is about those who see their brothers or sisters in need, and do not help when they have the resources to do so. Also in verse one of James it tells us who James is writing to...to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad...The Body of Christ are not twelve tribes, but a new creature.

[@bonganirobin5431]

Brother Washer may not be being aware of himself, he says that his repentance now is deeper than it was in the beginning. Part of the problem that is being highlighted by the other brethren is the self-examination than looking on to Christ. It is looking onto what is happening to you(regeneration) as proof that you really are saved.

[@jcpg9592]

This is very dangerous, and the exact opposite of assurance. If I look to my own desires and works for assurance of salvation, as the Lordship theology advocates would have us do, I will not only not have assurance, but I will only experience either pride or despair. Looking inwardly I will either see my "good works" and boast in them, or I will see my horribly depraved heart and will be crushed. For our assurance, we must ONLY look outward toward the finished work of Jesus. This is where I find my assurance : That the man Jesus lived a perfect life, suffered, died, and rose again, and is reigning at the right hand of the Father. And this truth is fed to me through baptism and the sacrament of the supper. THAT is my assurance!

[@chrisnorton2356]

Amen!

[@ASeedSower234]

Well said.

[@Jesusandbible]

Write for us here Paul Washers "Gospel by which we are saved" Let's see one of you do that.

[@theearstohear]

THREE PROBLEMS WITH WASHER'S THEOLOGY: 1. Washer uses regeneration and conversion interchangeably. Regeneration is a monergistic act of God (Ephesians 2:1, John 5:25). Conversion is the proper motion of the new creature in Christ under the instruction of the word of God (Luke 22:32). They are NOT the same thing, though MANY evangelicals believe that they are. The former is something God alone does; the latter requires man's willing and active obedience. 2. Washer insists that James's "dead faith" discourse designs someone with "no faith." But James is addressing "brethren" (James 2:14) and his topic is the "profitability" of exercising faith. It follows that dead faith does NOT design a man who has no faith, but rather a man who has God-given faith but who is not living in accordance with it and thus becoming unprofitable to the kingdom of God. A man who does not have a dog, does not have a dead dog. Likewise, a man who does not have faith, does not have a dead faith. Those with dead faith are regenerate men who are not acting in accordance with their belief. 3. Washer's "new nature" explanation of regeneration is a half-truth. Regeneration does impart a "new nature" to man, but the old sin nature remains. This is the old man (carnal nature) / new man (spiritual nature) dichotomy to which Paul makes reference (Ephesians 4:22, Colossians 3:9, etc.). But the new nature (new man) does not so dominate the regenerate man's life as to result in the level of obedience upon which Washer insists. Any reading of the saints in the bible prove this beyond any reasonable doubt. The fact is that the regenerate are in a battle between their remaining sin nature, and the new nature given to them by grace. Washer's view of the behavior and attitudes of the regenerate is unscriptural and overly optimistic given the testimony of the saints of God in the bible (Lot, Solomon, Samson). Washer's preaching on depravity is good, and his recognition of spiritual malaise among professing evangelicals is impossible to refute, but the three theological problems I set forth here do a great disservice to the understanding of the saints of God, IMO. God bless, TETH (theearstohear.com)

[@MustardSeedish]

I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful rebuttal. God bless you!

[@mdu6580]

They add works to Salvation..Hence Lordship Salvation

[@MustardSeedish]

By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

[@Winchester1973]

m Du That's not what he means, and it's not even what he said. An acknowledgement of Christ as Lord is not an item of "work", or is it?

[@real8342]

The reaon why i say that the nature of Christ come by faith alone because the lost can be married,not steal,not curse..

[@Greg8098]

Amen Greg

[@rlyle5804]

So a person can be a Christian and be unchanged and not bear good fruit?

[@lemuelst1905]

All Paul Washer had to say was that we are saved by God's grace(Ephesians 2:8) through faith in Jesus Christ, we are justified by faith in Christ alone(Galatians 2:16)Then the Holy Spirit comes to live in us at that moment and day by day changes and empowers us to pursue a life of obedience to God, purely the working of the Holy Spirit, we have no part in Salvation, it's all God.

[@jesuswashesfeet1805]

AMAZING

[@ut-ohMary]

the flesh is not regenerated....Christ Jesus imputes His righteousness on us. HIS seed in us does not sin. You are not going to make it trusting on yourself. There are good works that only God knows about, you are being a fruit inspecter. Think about it Paul Washer. Trust only on Jesus!....nothing of us will get us saved, but FAITH.

[@scriptureplz9045]

Amen! Without His imputed righteousness none could be saved.

[@twenty-fivethirty-six3946]

If we do as Mr. Washer teaches, our righteousness be like that of the Pharisees who subdued their flesh in strict obedience to the Father’s Instructions. But Christ tells us that our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees (Matthew 5:20). In other words, they did right out of their fear of death, because the Law kills by showing us our wretchedness (2 Corinthians 3:6). But those who accept Christ and die to their selfish nature are set free from their slavery to their fear of death (Hebrew 2:15) so they can worship in a new way, through the Spirit (Romans 7:6). Those who follow the Spirit sift the Father’s Instructions through a heart of love so that their wretchedness leads them to see their need for a Savior and lead them to Christ where He is able to fulfill the Law in our heart, allowing the Spirit to give life to the Instructions by giving us a desire to obey it. It’s in this way our righteousness is able to exceed that of the Pharisees. For more understanding on this I invite you to watch our short teaching called; “Walking in the Spirit and Truth” where we explore what it means to be the type of worshiper the Father seeks (John 4:23).

[@kingdomambassador1904]

To obey is a RESULT of being saved. Messiah justifies, His PATH of obedience/repentance from sin...If you love keep My Commands... This is ACTION, works. Its like the Love Law, and works and OLD Testament is kryptonite to western christians, go figure when the Scripture is ONE not TWO books.

[@HM-kk8jp]

Mr Washer is very confused on the topic and is clearly ignoring foundational bible teachings. People who disagree with lordship salvation doctrine do not teach that you don't have to believe in Christ as Lord to be saved. What we contend is that works of any sort have nothing to do with salvation, before or after! He clearly has a very confused and double standard on the issue. First, he says that all christians sin after salvation, but they are characterized by a desire to do good, repent, submit, and obey, even though they still sin. But on the other hand he says regeneration means that you're a new creation so you have new desires, which means you are going to do the right, because it's your very new nature. Ok, so why do you still sin then? If you have a new nature, why do you still sin? He makes it as if you don't have a choice after you are saved. Do you have a choice or not? Ok, if you have a choice, can you choose to disobey and quench the spirit? Yes, or no? If you can choose to obey, can you choose to disobey? So, if you disobey, what percent of works determines that you are saved, compared to the ones that sin a lot? Who decides? So, if it is determined by your works, then how are you not preaching a salvation by works gospel? Do you see the mess you get into when you pervert the scripture? Did Mr. Washer ever read 1 Cor? So how come those were carnal, and living in sin? Where was the new nature? Did Mr. Washer read this verse: 1 Cor 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. How can you deliver someone unto Satan and the spirit be saved??? Does Mr Washer understand the difference between the spirit and the flesh? Does Mr. Washer think that the flesh gets any better by becoming a christian? Obviously he doesn't. The new nature doesn't guarantee one will walk in the Spirit, it simply enables one to do so. You still have to submit and yield to the Spirit and that is an act of the free will. The spiritual warfare is real, and the flesh doesn't get any better. These are basic bible doctrines, and Mr Washer is obviously confused about them, to the point of teaching a false gospel. Get it in your head and heart: Works have nothing to do with salvation, BEFORE or AFTER!

[@Jesus_Christ_is_LORD]

So many people are deceived in comments below. Your american christianity has become nothing more than: "accept Christ as you Savior" and live how as you prefer it doesn’t matter. So salvation is not just a one time event, it continues till the end of your life, it’s not a ticket from hell to heaven. We look to Scriptures and the true preaching: "If you love Me, you will keep My commands" - Jesus Christ "If we say, “We have fellowship with him,” while we continue to walk in darkness, we lie and do not act in truth" - Apostle John "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." - Apostle Paul “Why should a person come to the cross? Why should a person embrace death? With Christ? Because it’s the only way that God can get glory out of a human being!” - Paris Reidhead “A person repents when he comes to the place where he discovers that the will of God is the government of his life and the glory of God is the reason for his life. He only has repented who has changed his mind about his reason for being.” - Paris Reidhead “If JESUS cannot control you, HE cannot save you. And if HE cannot control ALL of you, HE cannot control any of you.” ― A.W. Tozer "If He is not Lord of all, He is not Lord at all.” - Leonard Ravenhill

[@johndodson6475]

Washer doesn't even address the issues of the debate: intellectual assent, the object of faith, propositional revelation, the definition of pistis, etc Just read "What is Saving Faith" by Gordon Clark

[@thekingslady1]

Nobody is saying salvation is saying "I accept you as savior but I don't accept you as Lord" Paul Washer. Jesus Christ is Savior and Lord, it is not mutually exclusive!! The issue we have with you is that you add onto simple believing to gain eternal life by twisting Jesus Christ's Lordship, perverting it into WORKS. When a person believes in the finished work of Christ, Jesus Christ automatically becomes both Savior and Lord of their life. The savior part is by virtue of the fact that they now have eternal life through Christ having saved them. The Lordship part is living it out by being a disciple, taking up your cross daily and following Him. The fact that many Christians are not living the Lordship part out does not negate the Savior part- actually it negates neither! They are STILL SAVED, Christ is still the Lord of their lives but they are not letting go of self for the grace that comes through Christ as Lord of their lives to flow through in their lives. Stop muddying things up.

[@AveChristusRex]

Every branch in Christ that does not bear fruit is cut off and cast away and burned by God the Father. Good works are not optional. Hence, "Just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith, if it has no works, is dead." And, "You see that faith was working together with his works: and by works, faith was made complete"

[@beeforeal5497]

Why are Calvinists considered Lordship Salvationists when they think we don't have freewill?

[@jimkraft9445]

Matthew 7:21-23 Many shall come before me on that day and call me Lord, but they never did the will of my Father in heaven. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. Lordship salvation is a counterfeit gospel of works salvation. Not the free gift of God by faith alone in Christ alone apart from works. Romans 3:26-28. Romans 4:5-8 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness apart from works. Blessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin The second we trust Jesus as the only way of salvation by grace, we are sealed by the Holy Spirt unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13-14 and Ephesian 4:30. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. The gift of God is eternal life by faith alone in Jesus finished work on cross alone apart from any works. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. You can not boast in a free gift that we did nothing for but believe. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that BELIEVETH ON ME, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. Present tense. Lordship salvation is trying to earn your way to heaven by your own works. Salvation by works never works. Romans 11:6 Amazing grace, Jesus paid it all and we paid 0. It is free, or not at all. The gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. Galatians 1:7-9 Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received from us, let him be accursed. Lordship salvation is saying Jesus died in vain and we can save ourselves. Demonic counterfeit gospel of works. If we could do one thing that would save us, then Jesus died in vain. John 3:18 Believers are no longer condemned, but unbelievers are condemned already because they have not believed on the name of the Son of God. Paul Washer is preaching a false gospel of works. Paul the Apostle said, let him be accursed.

[@TheLightShines]

Amen!

[@dooeege298]

Ask Washer how he got saved...

[@davidfraser3447]

Repentance cannot come first in regard to salvation,why? Because we cannot repent of our sinful nature in the body of this death,it is DEAD!!! FIRST we need the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and then repentance through sanctification follows.

[@AveChristusRex]

Grace comes before any action unto God. Grace gives faith. Grace gives repentance. Grace gives good works. Our part is to never will the flesh over the grace given to help us: "My grace is sufficient for you." "Without me you can do nothing." "Every branch in me that does not bear fruit.." etc.

[@Jesusandbible]

Paul Washer is mixed up in the "Lordship Salvation" error or heresy. The Free Grace gospel is different from "Lordship Salvation". The Antinomianist error is NOT the Free Grace Gospel, it is a heresy, but Lordship Salvationists paint Free Grace as if it is Antinomianist, in order themselves to propagate covert or sly and crafty salvation by works. If Paul Washer is free Grace he certainly needs to put more time and effort into explaining himself. The heretical add on "and accept Jesus as Lord" becomes an heresy simply because its definition is warped, that is do people really believe that free grace salvation believers do not accept Jesus as Lord in their walk with him? Anyway. Just thought I would mention these issues. That is it is HERESY to add the phrase "and accept Jesus is Lord of your life" to the 1 Cor 15:1-4 or Luke 24:44-48 Gospel, and then define this in the stereotyped way Lordship salvationists do, extra specially if they preach the even more heretical error of "sinless perfection" after believing.

[@Alex1611AD]

Amen to that

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Do you think the Corinthian church (truly saved people) were showing good fruit? You do? You need to understand the reasons for Paul's letter to the Corinthians...

[@MustardSeedish]

Blues Man 63 Weird. 2 Corinthians 13:5-8

[@blueskys6639]

Paul Washer is over complicating how to obtain God the Fathers free gift of Salvation for non believers. He's putting too many stipulations on what it takes for a non believers to become Saved. He's even causing believers to question they're own Salvation, what kind of preacher does that? He's causing people to look deep within themselves and ask the question, are you really and truly Worthy of receiving the free gift of Salvation, and have they done enough to be saved. He needs to stop causing people to doubt they're belief in Jesus Christ. That's why the verse simply says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved", and let it go at that. Don't question yourself, are you, will you, have you, when will you, maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Just simply believe and trust in Jesus Christ and you will be Saved, no matter what anyone says about it! The hymn writer said it best when he wrote Rock of Ages. "Not the labors of my hands can fulfill thy laws demands, could my Zeal no respite know, could my tears forever flow, these for sin could not atone, thou must save and thou alone, nothing in my hands I bring simply to thy cross I cling".

[@ut-ohMary]

Paul Washer thinks his flesh was regenerated along with his spirit....maybe that heart attack didn't really happen since his flesh was regenerated. His whole body including the flesh is a new creation? Wrong. The flesh is SIN, and that SIN was covered by the blood of Jesus for the believer. Jesus imputes His righteousness on us and God sees us with Jesus blood and our sin debt as PAID IN FULL. That propitiation is for ALL sins, past, present, and future. Anyone who thinks they do not sin after they are born again is deceiving themselves. Trust only on Jesus and not of yourself. GALATIONS 3:2-3

[@savedbyjesusblood]

What part of us is regenerated Paul? Maybe if you stopped your vain babblings and actually read the Bible you would learn something. Your flesh is NOT born again at salvation. Your spirit is. Hence why the Scriptures are always telling people not to walk after the flesh. This is what Lordship salvationists fail to understand.

[@bible4truth]

Exactly. He doesn't understand the basics. Your spirit is born again and you have a new glorified body the instant you believe the true gospel. You carnal flesh still wants to sin and isn't going to heaven, which is why we are told to walk by faith and not by sight. Saved people who walk *unworthily* will be chastened. If they continue to sin in the flesh, they will be chasten unto sleep. I guess he missed 1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 *For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep*. This is an example of people who continued to walk unworthily and where chastened to carnal death (sleep). They are still saved, just like the guy who had his father's wife. Paul needs to stop quoting his "church fathers" and his "church tradition" like the other works-salvation false religion (the Catholics) and just believe the gospel. Paul is calling God a liar, who really teaches the doctrine of men and esteems men/traditions higher than God. Get a KJV Bible and read it.

[@JaredandCelia]

"Savedbyjesusblood," what is your point by saying the spirit is born again and not the flesh? Did you not hear Paul W. say we still struggle with sin as Christians? There are so many self-righteous people on posting that Lordship people are confused and all that, Paul's not even saved, etc., etc, yet no one can even demonstrate what Mr. Washer said was in error. Tell me what he said that was wrong. I'd like to hear that, not just straw-men arguments.

[@JaredandCelia]

Jacob Becomes Israel Where does he say that? Specifics please. I've never heard him say that. If you are going to call a guy a "heretic" back it up please. Also, saying a Christian will do works for Christ is biblical. Read Ephesians 2:10. That in no way undermines Ro. 4:5. You are very confused. Saying a Christian with the Holy Spirit will perform deeds in keeping with repentance does not suggest they are saved by those works. What is so hard about that? Your calling of P.Washer a heretic (along with everyone else doing so) reveals your ignorance. Again, please back up your slanderous remarks.

[@JaredandCelia]

Jacob Becomes Israel I've watched many of his videos, including Shocking youth message (he never said what you wrote in your first reply to me). I wonder if you are the heretic, though, along with all who teach that a born again Christian may go their whole life without performing "deeds in keeping with repentance" (Ac. 26:20). What Bible are you reading? There are many, many verses which suggest this (Eph. 2:10 being one of them as I mentioned). But, I repeat, this in no way invalidates the truth of Ro. 4:5. You are calling PW a heretic for reading the WHOLE counsel of Scripture. I suggest you and the other slanderers do the same.

[@savedbyjesusblood]

Paul Washer is a Calvinist. Enough said.

[@nickjr.7344]

I used to like Paul Washer when I was a new Christian 10 years ago. Now, I can clearly see he is a “Lordship Salvation” heresy teacher, teaching: works & faith. Salvation it is very simple: Ephesians 1 [13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Here in Ephesians 1 Paul said we are sealed with the Holy Spirit right after we believe… seems like a pretty quick and complete salvation to me. Ephesians 2 [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Paul Washer should be teaching that all you have to do is: 1). Repent. Repentance means to change your mind about a belief. Our original belief we all had was that we were basically “good enough” people deserving of going to heaven. Sorry, but in the eyes of a Holy God no one is deserving. We all deserve to go to hell. Nowhere in the Bible is there a verse that says “…repent of your sins.” God’s Word only ever says “…repent…” Once you have realized you’re a sinner in the eyes of God and need Jesus with His righteousness and His sacrifice to be forgiven and to go to heaven… You have repented! 2). Believe on Jesus’ work on the cross for complete salvation. When the Bible talks about the need to endure until the end God is talking about enduring in your belief... not in your ability to endure to stop sinning. Basically he's mixing salvation with sanctification... Sanctification comes from yielding to the Holy Spirit (after we’re saved) and Jesus still gets the credit for these works because: "...we are his workmanship..." To be sanctified in the flesh we do have to yield. Romans 6 [19] I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. Romans never says, “…or you’ll lose your salvation…” Sanctification in the flesh will only earn us rewards in heaven by bearing fruit... But it has nothing to do with our salvation. We will still have complete salvation with rewards in heaven or… without rewards. Sanctification in the flesh will never be completed until we die. No matter what we do in the flesh (yield or no yield)… all believers will be fully sanctified on the last day of Christ Jesus return. 1 Corinthians 15 [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. You’ll never be assured of your salvation if you are continually relying on your own works of Holiness as Paul Washer demands. The only thing to receive complete salvation is…. to believe and trust in Jesus’ completed work!

[@lawrence1318]

At 2:56 Washer says that James is NOT saying: 1. "If you truly believe you will also be so devoted you will have works". At 3:05 Washer says that James is ACTUALLY saying: 2. "If you truly believe, you have been generated by the Spirit of God, and a good tree brings forth good fruit". But (1) and (2) are saying the exact same thing in different words. So Washer's purported distinction here between (1) and (2) is false. Jesus has told us that we are not to let our left hand know what our right hand is doing (Mt 6:3-4). Accordingly, in reference to the judgement of the righteous in heaven, Jesus says He will say to them that when He was hungry they fed Him and when He was sick they visited Him, and that they will reply: "Lord when did we do these things?" (Mt 25:44). So we are to look to Christ and Him alone. We are not to look to see how we are faring, for the moment we do that we actually take our eyes off the Lord and for that period of time cease to love Him with all our hearts. Faith is a reckless abandonment of one's reliance on self: we are to look to Christ and Christ alone. We are not even to look to Christ for salvation. We are simply to look to Him and Him alone, period. There is a great recording by the Imperials Quartet, called: "Because of who You are". The main line is: "Lord I praise you, because of who You are; not for all the mighty deeds that You have done. Lord I worship You because of who You are; It's all the reason that I need to voice my praise, because of who You are." The song is available on KZbin to listen to. May it bless your heart and lift the Lord up.

[@sedgielimited7608]

John-17:17"Sanctify them through thy truth,"Why else would Jesus ask The Father to sanctify them that already believed?Jesus IS Lord!

[@Recon777x]

I have just been introduced to this debate yesterday. So I spent the evening watching videos and listening to arguments on both sides. I think I have come to a conclusion about the issue. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Here is the breakdown: Free Grace (FG) people are seeing a certain segment of Lordship Salvation (LS) people preaching that you _must_ show repentance or you are not saved. They are right to call this heresy. Certain LS people like Paul Washer in this video are calling that a straw man, pointing out that if you are regenerated, you will show works. But they also make the error in assuming the FG people are "say a prayer and forget it" easy believism Christians. So both sides are using a strawman argument against the other. The reason for this is because neither side is really understanding what "works" are. We must look at the whole of scripture to see it. Paul says the Christian is no longer under the Law. In fact, the Law was for the Jews only, so for Gentile Christians, we should not even be thinking about the Law. The Bible has a big list of dos and don'ts, but it also goes on to say "All things are permitted but not all things are profitable". Additionally, Romans 14 says that whatever is not done in faith is sin. 1 Corinthians 13 says if you do not have LOVE, you have _nothing._ The Fruits of the Spirit show us the visible characteristics of a person with love. What does it boil down to? The two Great Commandments of Christ: 1- Love the Lord your God with everything you have 2- Love your neighbor as much as yourself It is pretty obvious to me... Works = LOVE. This very neatly resolves the LS vs FG debate. FG is satisfied because LOVE is not a thing you can DO to gain favor with God. It is a character transformation. An involuntary regeneration effect which is caused by salvation by faith alone through grace alone. LS is satisfied because a transformation of LOVE contradicts "pray and forget" easy believism.

[@MustardSeedish]

Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comment. You've given me a lot to think about.

[@bengentile2162]

@@MustardSeedish I really like the way you are thinking on this. I also believe both "sides" are misunderstanding and characterizing each other. And of course they feel passionate about it, because they both see eternal souls to be at risk (either works-based salvation or deficient saving faith). Unfortunately, I do not see either extreme to be biblical--and both extremes could rightly keep people out of the kingdom of God. The bible teaches a balance of these things: a simple profession of words is not enough! but if you are dependent on your behavior to validate your faith, you faith cannot be truly validated. Salvation is a free gift, and is in no way dependent on our good works; yet true saving faith grants us with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who produces godly sorrow unto repentance, "fruit" and obedience.

[@MsBizonline]

Thank you for sharing. You make valid points that allow for greater consideration, no matter what a person has been led to believe, as does Paul Washer. I find myself in agreement and find the more I know , the more I realize how much I never knew...I pray that no one be deceived but come to a greater understanding in LOVE. Much compassion for those that are "striving" and may God grant us all discernment in our words, actions, thoughts and deeds and may they be in alignment to achieve His plan and purpose in Jesus' Name! 1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV) 13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. Yahshua Bless! ~ Andie S.

[@21stmicko64]

Ah. I found the problem why so many people are deceive and don't understand the point. You are thinking that repentance is a work all this time. Repentance is NOT a WORK! Repentance comes from the greek word "metanoia" which means "a change of mind". Biblical meaning of repentance is that it is a godly sorrow (despising away the things that God hates; loving His ways, His will and His authority; a change on the perception of one's mind, emotions and will; a turning away from the world; and turning away from the rejection of Christ as Lord and saviour). Faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ and repentance goes along. John MacArthur, Paul Washer, Ray Comfort etc. Only preach the true gospel, and that you must follow the Lord as He is! They didn't teach anything even at one time, with regards to the power of the works to save, they only preach what the bible is saying. Everyone listen carefully, be quick to hear slow to speak and slow to anger. Do not lean on your own understanding. Repent and trust alone in Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.