I don't NEED another tent....BUT I want THIS one

[@PaulMessner]

www.messner.co.uk WIN a Brand New 4 Season Tent (NORTENT Vern 2).

[@DanielOutdoors]

Rather get rid of that Hilleberg lol

[@malawicarsten]

crap UK only again :/

[@ahunterstail1083]

Keep the hilleberg paul. Its a good strong tent,just buy the summer inner,

[@WeirdOneOz]

Paul you have a special chemistry and style when doing you vlog and making videos. Always appreciate the effort especially for those of us that can’t get out camping yet.

[@dominicschaeffer909]

Well I need AND want that TABLE!!! 😊

[@KristianGrSl]

OLPRO Camping Spike Stick Table

[@kayasper6081]

In my opinion, you already own the PERFECT tent! The one you sleep in, the Hilleberg Unna, sand color, mosquito inner. I have slept hundreds of nights in exactly that tent, in all kind of conditions, while biking, kayaking and hiking. I just can't imaging a better alround and bomb proof tent. OK, I did buy all the extra's for it, like snow/sand stakes, extra heavy poles, additional guylines, the footprint, and the mosquito inner tent. Once you have that, you can bring whathever your trip might ask for. It is like owning every imaginable tent in the world. So again, stick with your great Unna, it is unbeatable!

[@pjhunton]

You and English Woodsman have inspired me to get back out camping, I used to go every week but life got in the way and it slipped off my radar. Watching these vids remind me of what Im missing, so I shall rectify that! Cheers!

[@Asdf-789]

Probably won't happen, but boiling water that way means if a gust of wind blew the cone and pot over you'd get first degree burns on the inside of one leg. The cones are normally pretty sturdy in most breezes but Ive had one go over in a sudden unexpected gust.

[@davidleigh7698]

Or worse still ur nads😢

[@gordonpobar-gk3kz]

My thoughts exactly

[@TheMrJuhis]

I just got my x mid 2 solid and i love it! 1 kilo is very light for me. Palace for 1 and fits 2 nicely. I hope it will be the only one i need, yet i have the same yearning of acquiring more. We will see what will happen. For now i dont see what i would want to improve from it.

[@littlegrandadoutdoors]

I have camped near there a few times... last year at about 3am I was awoken by what sounded like a plane coming down.. it was so close that my friend got out of his tent ready to run ( don't know where to ) .. I honestly though my days had ended by a plane crashing on to us.. it was too cloudy to see how close it was but it sounded different than all the other planes.... Take care out there.

[@awatt]

👽 sorry mate

[@littlegrandadoutdoors]

@@awatt 😉

[@peterrobertson8141]

Hi Paul, another great one - and good to see you and Andy back out together. I was beginning to think you had fallen out lol 🙂

[@Wild.cat.adventures]

Nice to see u back out with Andy, enjoy your collabs vids. Nice wee spot up there too 👍

[@bern84]

I had such a good chuckle when you said “Aaah NO!” as you realized you’d fallen in love with that tent 😂

[@davehumpleby3440]

Amen on having a roomy tent. I bought a Southern Cross 2 as a solo tent. I do not begrudge the extra weight as it feels positively palatial for one at the end of a long day, and I get a super comfortable night's sleep.

[@andrew675]

Tip for the noodles. Pour the hot water in, put the foil back over, then put the sauce on the foil then the lid. When it comes to putting the sauce in it will be heated up and pours out the sachet a little easier. At least that’s what I keep telling myself 😆

[@trailtocamp]

I'm hanging out for the newer tent being released later in the year. A 2 man version. Need that room as you get older.

[@kscott5285]

There is already a 2 man version of the X-mid pro, and an extra large 2 man version too. The tent coming out later this year is the X-dome freestanding one.

[@trailtocamp]

@@kscott5285People were able to pre-order for an August release of the X mid pro 2+ with DCF floor some time back now. That's the new tent I'm hanging out for.

[@trailtocamp]

@@kscott5285 There is an X mid pro 2+ with a DCF floor being sent out in August to those who put deposits down months back now. I believe that there is very limited stock being sold this summer with a different floor. Sorry I didn't explain what it was I was actually hanging out for.

[@ePinzi]

I should get mine every day now ❤😊

[@trailtocamp]

@@ePinzi Mine won't be far behind yours I hope. Im very Excited about getting it.

[@verykeen2please]

Got mine on order - thinking what to tell Mrs .......

[@danny.k.87]

Good to see the Dream boys back together 👏

[@francismccrossan1669]

Nice to see you again Paul shame about the car braking down the other day long every thing went well in the end you can't beat a could camp out it's real life where TV is fake and you are seeing life stay safe and stay healthy one life enjoy blessed be

[@evacoutdoors5867]

Had the x-mid used it once and sold it. Tarptent Double Rainbow LI far better performance in wind. About same weight if not lighter by the time you add up all the pegs and poles.

[@Mikey2tt]

Quite a thick accent your friend has. Loved the vid. Cheers

[@trailtocamp]

I keep trying to reply to a comment which doesn't show up?? The tent im hanging out for is the X Mid Pro2 + with DCF floor. I like many others put a pre order in months ago and they should start shipping them out in August. Cant wait.

[@1adamuk]

DCF tents are for long-distance hiking. That's where the weight savings matter. For weekend warriors save your money and carry the extra weight. DCF tents not only cost twice as woven they also last half the time. So 4x the price per use. If you've got money to burn then why not though.

[@LiLBitsDK]

not all of us can physically "just carry the extra weight"... every gram matters to me due to disability

[@sobobwas6871]

@@LiLBitsDKthe cheaper version is already the lightest tent I own (

[@0808anwar]

this. i got a DCF running vest and it's already torn apart. Expensive but very short life span.

[@LMay64]

I have trekking pole dcf tents that are 14 years old and still going strong. If you take care of your quality gear, it will last a long time. I've had regular tents fail when the pole systems simply age and break. Weight savings is great for thru hiking, but I love a lightweight pack and kit even if I'm just going out for a few miles over a few days. Why should I carry an extra couple of lbs when I have crappy knees or a bad back. My dcf tents are amazing no matter how long or short my trip may be.

[@1adamuk]

@@LiLBitsDK OK, such a disability that 400g of tent matters but you can still go camping. Strange.

[@pascalcuoq9265]

Hi Paul, thanks for another nice video. I am currently using the Xmid Pro 1 in the North part of Sweden (Umeå last, Boden next). It is the one-person tent I had been looking for (some two-person tents I had been using before were also the one-person tent I had been looking for, but this one is so light compared to my previous nylon 2-person tents, it's a 1-to-4 ratio!). It's too small to have all your stuff with you like you would in a 2-person tent, but there is room for the essentials, and the absides are large enough for my oversized backpack (I'm never doing more than two consecutive camping nights but I'm traveling in Sweden for 5 weeks without a base to leave stuff at). There's enough height to use a pee bottle inside, which makes a big difference in the middle of the night when it's raining outside. The Xmid Pro 1 has stood up to the rain very well, and to a bit of wind, but that was already discussed in the video. It is very airy, which contributed to condensation being extremely minor so far: despite the rain on the outside, on the inside there has only been a layer of condensation so thin I never even bothered to wipe it up. You might find it too airy for the sort of places where you camp; if it's windy and cold, you will definitely have to use a few degrees better insulation than what you would have in another tent. The straight zippers have done a good job of keeping the mosquitoes out, they can be opened and closed very quickly; the vertical ones can usually be operated one-handed, the horizontal ones may require two hands. This has been one of the factors that made it acceptable to have my stuff in the absides instead of with me: access without letting mosquitoes in.

[@LoneWolfExplorer]

Having too many tents is like having too many stoves......It's not possible 🤣

[@andybrockbank3027]

The formula for the number of needed tents is N+1 where N is the number you already have.

[@LoneWolfExplorer]

@@andybrockbank3027 I like this formula 👌

[@alangauld6079]

Nice to see you out together. I really want one of the Durston XMid2 tents (the 1 is just too tight). But since I only go camping 3 or 4 nights a year it's hard to justify the pennies! Also a shout out to Andy for getting a photo featured in TGO magazine!

[@swampyhiker]

I love my Durston xmid pro 1. It’s an amazing tent when you need to save weight on a long distance hike. But Paul. You are a weekend warrior and should stick with a 2 wall tent. For those weekends I love my tigerwall UL2.

[@Tom-eq6vo]

Good to see you back out with Andy. Liking the camper van idea, some friends have been touring Scotland recently, scenery looks stunning! Not quite in my budget yet though I’ll be looking at the Tentbox range and Alpkits’s Lookout roof tent, technically it’s still camping 😂

[@ApexCypher_]

Rule number one of backpacking. You can never have too many tents 😂

[@autoscanremaps]

Rule number two of backpacking. You can never have too many tents !

[@ApexCypher_]

@@autoscanremaps😂

[@alexandergutfeldt1144]

Backpacker's dilemma: can't sleep in more than one tent at once!

[@autoscanremaps]

@@alexandergutfeldt1144 .... maybe not but you can dream about the others 🌝

[@alexandergutfeldt1144]

@@autoscanremaps sleep in one, dream about one ( or more ) other! solid plan, doesn't solve the issue, but is a very positive approach!

[@peetsnort]

The two tents side by side @the 10.30 mark.....was a clear demonstration of how the wind affected them.the angular one seem to deflect or foil the flow

[@greyhikes5236]

My xmid ripped last night on my last day of the CWT. All tied down etc but a couple of heavy gusts ripped it near the pole cups. Absolutely gutted love this tent. According to the weather forecast it was 20mph winds but when I was out in it I was getting blown about the place. 😢

[@stephenmorris9223]

So sorry for you. Was your tent DCF?

[@greyhikes5236]

@@stephenmorris9223 no it's the cilnylon type

[@JonleePeakman]

How would this tent handle in 50mph wind I wonder? It has a lot of pegging out points, can be pitched low and you wouldn't have to worry abou the poles breaking.

[@rosieone6519]

The views were great today.

[@JoshTyldesley]

Ive had my durston x mid in 40mph winds,steady as a rock

[@greyhikes5236]

I've just finished the CWT and mine ripped in high winds last night... Gutted.

[@JoshTyldesley]

@greyhikes5236 what version do you have? The dcf or the standard one?

[@greyhikes5236]

@@JoshTyldesley xmid2 v2 not dcf all tied down extra guys but the wind was horrendous, got blown over with it even though the forecast was 20mph, absolutely gutted 😕

[@JoshTyldesley]

@greyhikes5236 sometimes I make the mistake of tensioning it to much in high wind it needs some slack to give a little

[@willdg8457]

@@greyhikes5236 that sucks, sorry to hear. may I ask where the tent ripped?

[@st1ffee]

just to confound you Durston are bringing out a dome tent soon😃

[@ExpeditionHiker]

There's always room for another tent, I have purchased 2 more, now I am up to 29 tents! Gonna have to look for something special for the 30th

[@TonyHobbs]

Water is a problem in peaks high up. I took 6 litres up although cheated as ash carried two 😅

[@wezedwards234]

I have this tent, with the DCF floor, and a groundsheet. Gave it a proper test in mid May, in all weather conditions, when I did the Coast to Coast. Genuinely fantastic tent!

[@jj2536]

Dont fancy camping in a see through tent, the world has been through enough already without having to suffer witnessing me in one of those. what make is the van, it wasn't mentioned? is there a youtube video of it being built out?

[@ganderson66]

@paulmessner could you tell me what stove set up you're using and why that over a gas stove? Many thanks

[@rozzer61]

I also would like to know thanks

[@LiLBitsDK]

I don't even have a tent nor hiking poles but that tent does look interesting...

[@Campingkayakride]

Remember the saying between wanting & needing 😂. Create a reason and wanting & needed are for filled ⛺️.i also like that tent of Andy’s but. 🤔

[@MrLamphy]

I've got a vango ultralite and I'm happy with it. I would choose that over a hilleberg all day.

[@MrLamphy]

It was the most bad choice and decision I've made not to buy a hilleberg, but who isn't fed up with foreign s***e.

[@charliem5332]

Nice cosy van and great tent

[@paultrussy]

It seems you avoid saying what your location is. Is that deliberate? Looks like you're a few yards southwest of Kinder Low?

[@LiLBitsDK]

enough people don't understand that youtubers doesn't mean you can just "stalk and drop in as you please"... some doesn't have normal boundaries so quite understandable he doesn't give exact locations...

[@feldgraufox4927]

It's also because sharing spots isn't part of leave no trace principles. While most people who like camping are respectable towards the environment, etc. Sharing locations prevents the less educated or less respectful fly campers flooding to the spot and leaving litter everywhere, bbq fire marks, etc.

[@davidpalmer5290]

I love your stick in the ground table. Where did you buy that?

[@cedarcanoe]

The HB Soulo is still king!

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

At least it was clear and gorgeous at the end.

[@garysmith7286]

You can never have enough gear, tents, stoves, sleeping bags etc.

[@carey123]

Thank you for sharing your videos.

[@RogerByrne]

Love my xmid pro2+ I told the Mrs it was a 4 season do it all and would sell my other tents, still seem to have my Nemo dragonfly and Hilleberg Nallo though ssssshhhhhhh 😂

[@savinggracechurch4112]

Whereabouts near Manchester is that Paul? I wouldn't mind checking it out for a night. With a tent that you recommended, now bought. Anywhere near the Halo Rossendale? Love that place, and that looks good in the fog with its neon lights shining through.

[@SmithandWesson22A]

What was attached to the Olight headstrong?

[@timwright5466]

Camping on the camping club site in hayfield i was kept awake by aircraft noise all bloody night ..horrid.

[@TiberiusWallace]

That van needs a couple of Bromptons in it for cycling out.

[@SofiaViviEnDo]

Hi Paul, from Argentina, may I ask you something unrelated? I noticed the weather there is pretty similar to Buenos Aires winter (humidity 95 percent, everything wet, lots of fog). I have a new down sleeping bag and I have condensación inside the sleeping bag! As much as it wakes me up and I had to wipe the inner of the bag, with my fleece. Never happened to me in my 45 years, but is my first down sleeping bag, after I decided my 40y.o. sleeping bag needs to retire. Did you ever experienced sometjing like that? I tried at my garden nights of 5 and 7 Celsius degrees. Before the morning the humidity got to the down and I woke up being cold because of it. I only used a thin layer of first skin clothes while sleeping.

[@slippery999]

Hi, there could be several reasons why this is happening and I’m not sure exactly what conditions you are camping in. I’ve never had condensation inside a down sleeping bag or do you mean a bivy bag? Basically condensation occurs when warm air condenses on a cool surface this is the dew point. There could be several factors, better ventilation in your tent, make sure you are not too hot when you get in your sleeping bag, make sure any clothes you wear are not damp, do not breathe inside your bag keep your head out of the bag, is the bag too warm for the conditions and you’re overheating? You could try using a synthetic over bag to move the dew point outside the layers of the down bag or if none of that works I can only suggest you use a vapour barrier liner VBL. Hope this helps.

[@LailandiAdventures]

I dunno why I never imagined this wonderful countryside being so close to Manchester.

[@LailandiAdventures]

@@S7Vmv if you are terrified by this I suggest therapy.

[@paulannable3734]

@@LailandiAdventuresfor terror this serious I’d skip the therapy and go straight to the heavy tranquillising drugs. I’m glad you reached out, Charlie Nice.

[@paulcowham2095]

Well, the mass trespass of Kinder Scout was lead by a Manchester man, and many others from the towns and cities surrounding the Peak District. This was also immortalised by the folk singer Ewan McColl, who was a keen rambler with Scottish ancestry, but born and raised in Manchester, with the song "The Manchester Rambler". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_trespass_of_Kinder_Scout kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3axioCtqqh6aLs

[@andrewbesford324]

Andys van looks great too

[@juliankerrell7281]

Where did you get the table from. I think it would be good for hammock camping. Keep up the good work love'n'stuff boyo 😊

[@DariaM00re]

I'm searching through the comments for this too Small table like that would fit perfect in my pannier on the motorbike for the camping trips

[@DariaM00re]

I did some digging online, best search term to find tables like that is "Single leg camping table" Have a good one out there

[@PerfDayToday]

Nice.. what are both of your mid-weight fleece hooded tops?

[@TheKenwahl]

I am curious about them as well, do tell.

[@MarkChivers-z1u]

Look like alpha direct 60 or 90. Prob from senchi designs or similar

[@PerfDayToday]

@@MarkChivers-z1uthxs!

[@TomsWhip]

At what point does it classify as hoarding? 🤣Striking tent tho for sure. Perhaps a bit too striking for little old Denmark over here, where wild camping is mostly a no-no, but damn.

[@LiLBitsDK]

you can camp freely most places in Denmark...

[@TomsWhip]

@@LiLBitsDK No, there are specific smaller sections of certain public forests where you are allowed to camp overnight under certain restrictions, such as hidden behind trees and out of sight, etc. and then there are designated shelters where you can also put up a tent. What you can't do is just put up your tent on a nice hill like in this video for example, or in the dunes of a beach, etc.

[@LiLBitsDK]

@@TomsWhip I guess you think of the shelter spots... you can camp in all the "fri teltning" forests off the path... can't camp on the beach but if you move a bit further in you can camp... except on the shooting ranges and such which has special rules. and then there are all the many shelter spots both public and private, many of them free, some of them paid.

[@michael-h95]

Do you see many other people up there at this time of the year? I have camped on Kinder Scout in spring time at the weekend and we saw 2 or 3 other tents on the plateau same night as us

[@PaulMessner]

I've seen around 10 in certain parts

[@darrenlowe8607]

Hi Paul, where did you get the orange silicon cup from. Thanks in advance 👍🏻

[@slippery999]

It’s a Sea to Summit X mug, used one for years it folds flat and sits in the bottom of my pot under a gas canister. Think they have a newer version called the Frontier which is a bit sturdier by the looks of it.

[@marccoulson6555]

I’ve wanted the Durston Pro for a while but nobody in the UK ever has any in stock. I’m wary of ordering from the states

[@feldgraufox4927]

I've ordered from the both durstongear and the kaviso site that the durston website links to when you go to buy their tents. Quick and speedy delivery, shipping also only cost me $55 for some reason. So I got my xmid 1p solid for £70 cheaper than buying one from the UK such as from valley and peak. Arrived in like 5 days. Edit: that was shipping $55 including all import tax and duty fees.

[@marccoulson6555]

@@feldgraufox4927 thank you, appreciate the heads up 👌🏼

[@M4rkieM4rk]

Nice tents and all, but what the hell is that table!? I need it!

[@GaryWheatley-s7q]

Paul, where can I get hold of that Stove, Cone and the Pot...?

[@GaryWheatley-s7q]

It's OK Paul, I have just watched your video about the cone and the new Kickstarter.

[@andrewbesford324]

When you asked Andy about his tent , he looks proper smitten , 😂

[@nickmail7604]

Love it, a thousand pound tent and a fifty pence stove, is this related?

[@gregoryoutdoors]

I preffer my X-Mid Solid 1 for Scotland and the color as well. Not keen on having mesh when cold and windy! It would be nice to see pro in half solid half mesh maybe one day.

[@MG-bs5mr]

Oh I'm not so sure, wouldn't the mesh help disperse the wind? I'll get my coat 😂😂

[@AaronVets]

I believe Durston is working on a dyneema fly option for the regular xmid and xmid solid!

[@gregoryoutdoors]

@@AaronVets Thats good to hear!

[@backlogbrood2451]

Anyone have advice for doing an overnight trip in the Herfordshire area? I'm from the US and will be visiting this summer but thought it would be wonderful to get out for a night.

[@kenjude1]

Herefordshire or Hertfordshire?

[@richardsunday1612]

Were you near woolpacks? that was the first wild camp I did With a mate after seeing your old video

[@Northernlanes]

that translucent tent looks awful, I think Wild Beare uses one sometimes, apart from being lightweight can't think of anything good about it

[@TonyHobbs]

Wise words Andy single skin great Funny how people say you got too many 😅 my collection is a bit more extensive 😂

[@steveb1972]

I’m still on the fence about a blue tent. Paul, what do you and Andy think?🤔

[@adelevickers2120]

Enjoyed the beautiful scenery and seeing the Durston Pro in use. ( not so interested in watching the cooking dinner ).

[@roberthorwood4276]

Pual, BIG fan of your GREAT channel Mate. watching you have those pot noodles, I wanted to know if you use those dehydrated camping meals much and if that is an appropriate topic for one of your videos. I'm sure lots of people who camp a lot probably would welcome your seasoned opinion? happy trails Mate.

[@ktswandering]

Triffic vid! I am planning a 2 nighter mid winter here....about 3 weeks time. School hols at the minute, so avoiding the bogans and their ill mannered spawn. I am so looking forward to having the bush to myself.....

[@cathybritt6312]

Out camping myself too at a campsite tho. Not brave enough to wild camp just yet. One day though ; )

[@kerrywilliams8100]

Just a heads up in regards to safety. Having your stove and pot sitting up on your table like that is very dangerous in terms of spill ability. Should have it down below on the ground. Safety first.

[@cedarcanoe]

There is always room for enhancement, but I think the table safety was pretty much doing okay

[@samhill3496]

Good vid. Anfy does well too. All good. Just one more

[@woodchip2782]

Sorry about this but I couldn’t make a word of what your friend said.😮 could you mic him next time?

[@andrewprentice7965]

What a table

[@owddroner7124]

Hi Paul can I ask was that Dovestones in the distance cheers mate.

[@DanielOutdoors]

Its funny though, i tried this stile Zpacks Dyneema tents. Thing is its terrible in winter conditions. The dyneema is not as strong as they say either, reason is the Dyneema is way to thin. They tend to break en fewer uses than DilNylon tents. Condensation happend when its too rainy, and misty. Its also a problem when you break a pole on the lo g distance hikes. And its not as sturdy at storms either. Super expesive, with shipping and taxes too. Hilleberg does a way better job, but still too expensive and to small for me.

[@LiLBitsDK]

you do know you can just use a stick if you break a pole? what would you do in a normal tent if you broke the pole? hmm? and condensation happens in ALL tents when it is too rainy and misty... and it isn't a tent for SNOW conditions... they have a "solid" model which has less netting and more solid walls which removes some of the draft that is an issue for winter tenting...

[@DanielOutdoors]

In the middle mountains? Lol that would be interessting. Not even a whole duct tape would do..

[@DanielOutdoors]

Dude condesation happens in all tents, but there is a good reason Silnylon often has Innertents, and "breath" in air changes. Dyneema tents dont you know. Have you ever tried snow camping on summer? With a Dyneema tent? Well I did Zpacks Plex, mid summer, and got stuck in a storm with turned to be a wet and snow condesation windy hell. NEVER AGAIN. And btw I do have 30 years of experience

[@biyaherohikingteam]

Hello! What’s the name of the table?? Great video as always! Fans here from Italy!

[@1982Noddin]

Excellent lads

[@will674]

How tall is Andy? Would love to know how much room the X mid pro 1 has for really tall guys. I’m 6’5’’

[@MalKyle1]

A quick note to say you have smashed the 30 daily postings, Paul. I think it's been a revelation for you.

[@Cornwall1888]

I don’t NEED another hoody… but I want one of those fluffy alpha ones you guys have

[@graemesaunderson4218]

Your mates tent looks great also the van.

[@johnward-128]

His mate that’s Andy Beavers ,that’s like saying to messi your mate [Ronaldo] seems a good player

[@graemesaunderson4218]

@@johnward-128 There`s a first time for everything.

[@Jeraestone]

what sort of Yellow Pants is Andy wearing ? + The Jumpers Yuse Blokes are Wearing are they Dyneema? Thanks for the Show🍀👍👍

[@StripeyHatGuy]

Great video Paul!

[@dannyfox1449]

Love you man!

[@paulcowham2095]

Thanks Paul, were you camping on the Western edge of Kinder?

[@peterneumann7145]

Camping in peak is illegal btw

[@LoremIpsum1970]

Is it just me, or does DCF sound awful in the wind? Think at that price, I'd go for the Duplex Zip with poles... How's about Good Bloke's "Bonfus Duos" do you like the look of that?

[@jatiyanon]

I'm new here. Does anyone know about his stove system? Please let me know.

[@mtadams2009]

Durston tents are fine but they cost like they are hand made in North America or Europe but are made in Asia. Zpacks all the way. I don’t really think with your climate a single wall tent is the way to go. Condensation is a real problem. Just how it is.

[@kindredspirit6654]

Recall in a previous video Andy mentioning how he has no interest in walking any of the World's long distance trails.. So given that, why the focus on the ultra ultra light tent's?

[@andreadevine8268]

What brand is your nice red jacket?

[@andyvint8066]

Hey up, burning legs?.. Probably poorly hydrated before you start. Drink a pint of water before every walk. X

[@craigy1872]

Tent looks like it would be freezing in anything other than mild wind. Surely any weight saving over the 1p solid is offset by the extra layers of clothing you’d have to wear whilst sleeping ??

[@GadgetMart]

lol no tent is ‘warm’ that’s what your mat and sleeping bag are for. Unless you’re hot tenting of course and even that’s freezing when the stove goes out.

[@feldgraufox4927]

Tents other than maybe some proper 4 season kit are literally just tarps designed to keep wind and rain out. Your clothing and sleep system and food keep you warm.

[@LMay64]

I'd bet Andy's quilt, pad and clothing is no more insulated than Paul's. It's true that the mesh may add a couple of degrees of warmth, but it really doesn't change the insulation and kit you bring when camping in those conditions. I had my dcf tent out this past week and my total pack weight, with food and water was under 18lbs. That included a 20 degree F quilt and insulated pad and sleep thermals. The people with me had packs closer to 30lbs and brought double wall tents and a sleeping liner instead of a sleeping quilt or bag trying to save weight at 9000 feet elevation. They froze. I was a bit too toasty warm in my dcf single wall. A double wall tent at a weight penalty doesn't guarantee a smart and warm kit or camper.

[@richard17329]

dcf suffers badly from micro abrasion. it has half the life of silpoly.. but of course its excellent if you need it for longer trips where every kg counts