Creation Today - Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus

[@0x777]

While we're at quoting old Romans, here's Seneca: Religion is true to the fool, false to the wise and useful to the ruler.

[@SHDUStudios]

Great quote.

[@Pit.Gutzmann]

Each time I here Eric say the words "empty tomb" I remember that Ken-Ham-phrase: "Were you there?"

[@jmaniak1]

Even though "I don't know" is the correct answer it doesn't feel good so I'm going to lie to myself and everyone around me and say god did it. Way to go Eric.

[@exilfromsanity]

Science is evidence without certainty Religion is certainty without evidence

[@patrickkilduff5272]

well said

[@Ryan-rh8rn]

Here are some definitions of a few words I pulled up online: be·lief an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. ev·i·dence the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. re·li·gion a particular system of faith and worship. faith complete trust or confidence in someone or something. the·o·ry a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. fact a thing that is indisputably the case. ev·o·lu·tion the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth. sci·ence the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. Interesting. Would I be incorrect by proposing that the belief in the theory of evolution falls under the umbrella of 'religion'? A religion that teaches its ideology (look that word up too) through the schools and media? And heaven forbid if these ideals are questioned in the classroom. Being skeptical of religion is actually encouraged however being skeptical of Darwinism (religion?) is not tolerated. What's going on here? Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing against science. I'm arguing against forcing unproven ideals upon others and telling them that their belief (typically Christian in nature) is smoke and mirrors and fairytales. But what is the belief in the theory of evolution? Look at the words and their definitions. You see science? At the end of the sentence it says, "through observation and experiment". This is called empirical science. Evolutionary theory (macro, specifically) falls within the realm of HISTORICAL science. This is where inference comes into play since we don't have time machines to observe evolution in action. So since we can't observe or experiment to see a species turn into another, then that is where faith comes into play being that there is a lack of evidence. True?

[@karlrschneider]

Science asks questions that may never be answered Religion preaches answers that may never be questioned

[@karlrschneider]

No. You are an idiot. Come to my street and I will show you how the Theory of Gravity produces consistent, correct and consistent physical events.

[@karlrschneider]

@@Ryan-rh8rn Wrong definition of 'faith'. It is: A piss poor substitute for thinking.

[@donsample1002]

The idea that Christianity wouldn't have taken off in Jerusalem if people could be shown the tomb with Jesus's body in it has a major problem that I haven't heard addressed: Christianity didn't take off in Jerusalem. Christianity was a minor Jewish cult until Paul decided to take his show on the road, and started selling it to the Romans.

[@Paulogia]

Excellent point. Christianity is really Paul's thing, not Jesus.

[@jeffallan9161]

actually and i am sorry i don't have a kjv in front of me to properly quote the passage but i can assure you im paraphrasing it acutely but there is a better piece of proof which greatly hurts the resurrection claim and Jews accepting him. In one gospel 'the Jews' (it may have been the pharasies but either way im sure the entire group wasn't present) asked Jesus for a sign of his being the messiah or some may say his divinity and Jesus insults these people and says the only sign they will get will be that just asked Jonah spent three days and nights in the fish so will Jesus spend three nights and days inside the earth and then will appear to them. Well obviously he didn't appear to these unbelievers but only believers who weren't promised thus sign. So although we are now faced with Jesus committing a sin by lying to this group he also missed a huge opportunity to convert the Jews!!! Think about the power of him actually following through with this prophecy and the amount of Jews who were looking for their messiah, that would have become believers.

[@GuitarDog_atx]

jeff, that's one of the things i love to point out as well. Jebus said he came for the sick not the healthy. but who was sicker than god's chosen people - or actually their religious leaders? he could've easily won over most if not all by some actually proving who he was. a few real miracles would've done it. Also Pilate could've been saved when jebus was brought before him. Same story. no miracles, no conversions, no salvation. the fuckin roman empire could've turned christian 300 years earlier. how many souls would've been saved then?

[@sagerider2]

Not many, most children died before they were born or just after. Some statistician calculated that 80 billion children have died before being born & 50 billion before the age of 7. That's because god is such an intelligent designer.

[@0x777]

What really sold Christianity was that the four leading gospels distanced it from its Jewish heritage. Yes, that was also Paul's doing, but if you read the gospels carefully, you will notice that they stress Jesus' struggle with the Jewish authorities and will even try to downplay the Roman role in the crucifixion. Judea was an occupied area in that time, and while the Romans habitually installed puppet regimes that left the local nobility in power at least in title, just like they did in Judea, the main power did lie with the local governor, which was invariably a Roman. And he alone had the right to mete out capital punishment. This is, by the way, also the reason for the crucifixion. Jewish law would require stoning. But then again, can you imagine a pile of rubble in a church to pray to? So Pilate, and Pilate alone, would have had the right to condemn Jesus to death. Nobody else could have. And by the time the gospels were written, this was still well known because it was still commonly applied law. The Roman Empire still existed. So writing gospels where the Jews kill Jesus was out of the question. Nobody would have believed that the Romans let some "Barbarians" execute their laws for capital punishment. Not to mention that it was also common knowledge that crucifixion was a very Roman punishment. Think of it like the modern equivalent of the Electrical Chair. Yes, some countries use it, but when you ask anyone what country they associate with it, it's the US. Even though, funny enough, it's no longer the prime method of killing... but I ramble. So nailing Jesus to a cross by Jews was impossible. Nailing him to the Cross by the Romans wasn't too opportune either. The gospels were written about 80-150 AD. Basically right after the uprising of the Jews and the destruction of their temple by the Romans. Do you want to piss off an empire already wary of the group of people that new religion came out of? Especially if you're actually trying to move your religion closer to this empire's heart because you're not really liked that much at home anymore? To give you an idea what the situation was like, imagine the US (Rome) invading Iraq (Judea) and occupying it. There, some insignificant nobody creates a splinter religion of Islam, pisses off the authorities long enough that they ask you to get rid of him and you, in your function as the local governor do it, to retain peace. Then ISIS starts to become annoying, kill some of your people and it doesn't take long until pretty much everyone, solder and people at home, really start to hate that religion that simply can't hold peace with the empire like everyone else. If you're that splinter group, would you want to write books how the US killed your saviour? Or would you rather try to blame ISIS so the US looks more favorable at you? This basically the whole deal behind the huge tapdance around the conviction of Jesus and how Pilate asked the masses, how they wanted Jesus' death and how Pilate washed his hands. Basically, he was absolved by the writers of the gospels, to reconcile their new religion with the most powerful empire that, technically, killed their saviour off.

[@theekdunn]

It never occured to me that some people value certainty over truth. That explains so much.

[@Zaprozhan]

The empty tomb as evidence always struck me as bizarre. If you build a tomb, it starts empty. Anything you put into a tomb, can be removed. It's now empty. So what? Did they go to the right one? Did a body get removed by grave robbers, zealous acolytes or a rival cult, like the Judean People's Front? Did Joseph of Arametha change his mind? So many other potential, mundane explanations rather than resurrection.

[@leonmccoy77]

Maybe for the questions you contemplate, do a little research for the answers. There are many sceptics like you who wanted real answers and took to research." The case for the resurection" is one place you can start.

[@TorianTammas]

The tomb was invented as one group wanted to push for a bodily resurection which is totally meaningless but they wanted it like this so they invented it. Usually at a cruxification the body stays on the cross as a reminder for everyone to see what happens when you try to rebel against rome. The left overs are thrown away like in a public dump. Part of the punishment was to deny a proper burial so to erase this person. So the body disapeared most likely in a public dump. Asuming anything in the story ever happened.

[@leonmccoy77]

@John Toas That is profound! I can do that too, There is no John to as, grow up

[@leonmccoy77]

@John Toas you see all I have is your word, I either be live it or not. I could go a little further and check and see if you exist or just decide I'm smart enough and don't need all that. No I don't be live you, you don't exist.

[@justsomeguy2825]

Did Jesus even exist?

[@ericvulgate]

i'm not scared of 'i don't know' it just makes me want to know more.

[@francoisbezuidenhout1442]

I only stumbled onto this channel two days ago. Really enjoy it. Keep up the good work. Your reaction and discourse is much more civil that I could ever be regarding this topic, so kudos - honest and well thought through. Hope I can use these to talk some sense into my friends, about 60% of them are devout Christians

[@tljsucks1166]

100% for me. Did you have any luck?

[@theCoffinSeller]

Hovinds whole idea of this chat-conversation feels like a commercial. "Please let me show you the greatness of the lord for only 89,99$" Hadn't he made a fortune with this movie he's publishing?

[@Paulogia]

The movie isn't completed yet... it's been five years, so perhaps he's not confident that the last few months can pass without some "walking around" money. I was disheartened to find out I was in an infomercial.

[@dontfeedthetrolls9798]

It's a good thing he believes in God, or he might try to manipulate people!

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

"But wait! If you call now, we'll double your order! That's TWO greatnesses of the Lord for only $19.99 plus shipping and handling."

[@SophiaLingua]

Another really great upload! Glad to hear the audio levels have been normalized too. Thanks for the awesome content!

[@Paulogia]

Glad to hear, Stephan.

[@newhauser]

Long time watcher, first time commentator. Keep up the great work!!!

[@TrueMetis]

Was that last bit Eric mentioned about manipulating people and doing illegal shit a confession? Cause to me it sounded kind of like an admission he didn't actually believe.

[@FiveAcres1]

This was the most damning admission in the whole video. "I would be a monster if I didn't believe." So how do we know you aren't?

[@qbradq]

17:40 wow ... 19:40 he says if he wasn't in the ministry he would be conning people because that's who he is. Sooooo close to self awareness.

[@staticinteger]

Thank you for explaining the big words! You are really good at communicating to the layman. I really appreciate that!

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

There is no way that something like the 'Resurrection' could've actually happened without the historians of the era at least mentioning the event, even if only to debunk it.

[@vegaspowerlifting]

That was a great answer for the position "what's your ultimate authority?"

[@mikelapine1]

I have to tell you PE, you made Eric way more tolerable by making him sound like one of he Chipmunks.

[@scottneufeld5131]

Ohhhhh Tony Campolo reference at the end......well played Paul!

[@BabiesTasteOfChicken]

How could truth be anything other than that which is demonstrable in reality?

[@derkatzenfuerst6077]

Judean's Peoples Front??? I'm sure you meant the Peoples Front of Judea! No seriously, thank you for your channel, in my opinion you are one of the best sceptic broadcasters on YT.

[@Paulogia]

🤣 that movie used to be so blasphemous to me, in a former life. now so great. My pleasure, DerKatzen. That's awfully kind. Spread the word...

[@T0X0PHILUS]

DerKatzen Fuerst Popular Front -splitters

[@whiterabbit75]

SPLITTERS!

[@carlpen850]

@ DerKatzen... it's a miracle !! I was blind but now I can see... ye e e e e e o o o w thump... he's the messiah and I ought to know... I followed a few

[@carlpen850]

@ Paulogia... I always was a fan of Monty Python... from their 1st TV shows through "In Search Of the Holy Grail" ... so I would of went to Life of Brian no matter what but when I heard it was banned by the church it made seeing the movie mandatory... I have it on DVD and still pull it out every so often when I need a good laugh

[@s.lynchmd539]

Man...Surgical! Nicely done!!

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

14:41 another possibility, is that early Christians might not have actually claimed an empty tomb and a Jerusalem crucifixion. The early record has considerable confusion on when, where, or if Jesus lived and was crucified.

[@hglundahl]

"the early record has a considerable confusion" Here you lose me - there are at least three different meanings on your phrase: 1) early records are more lacunar than Gospels (supposed to be not so early records) 2) other early records contradict the Gospels (supposing for instance Yeshu in the Talmud is not spoof even perhaps involving confusion - and deliberate such - with someone else) 3) Gospels / other records are vague (which you know because such and such a description is inaccurate because you know that from what?). Which of above is it?

[@Nixeu42]

Hans-Georg Lindale You missed one. 4) The Gospels are self-contradictory, with multiple recorded dates for single events. Now, admittedly, you would probably have to do some cross-confirmation to figure that out, since the Gospels don't seem to be all that good at putting dates on things, from what I recall. Otherwise people wouldn't be having to work to figure out which Roman census was going on when Jesus was born, for example. Also, that 'not so good at putting dates on things' aspect could certainly be enough to consider the Gospels vague, all on it's own. You don't need contradicting records to know that another record isn't very clear. The Odyssey isn't exactly clear on a lot of things that would help date the events, for example. Same with the myth of Rome's foundation. There might not be contradicting records, but they're also so vague as to time-frame as to be nearly useless.

[@johnmorris2170]

My I.Q. goes up after watching your videos. Thank you sir. Very educational.

[@hhampton]

Another excellent offering, both production and content.

[@michaelrch]

Thanks Paul. I really like the tone of your videos. You set a good example with your quiet, measured and very humane approach. Do you ever suspect the motives of those you critique? If so, do you get angry when you conclude that they are lying and defrauding the vulnerable? What do you do with those feelings?

[@Paulogia]

I pause, I pace, I run out the anger. And I started a KZbin channel.

[@michaelrch]

Paulogia, kudos dude. Well done and thanks. Your work has amazing production value, really cogent argument and you come over as the least “preachy” atheism proponent that I have seen. I’m an atheist and I can see that there is a need for that. I’m off to find your patreon page... Btw I noticed the ref to a Potholer54 video in your video on hydrological layering. That guy is great, right? I really wish more people saw his work, especially on climate change. His view counts are like 150k or so. I think they really need to be seen and understood by everyone trying to get the right stuff done about climate change. Just another area where Ken Ham should be utterly ashamed of his dishonesty...

[@dogmajones1558]

Litteraly in another context, a story about a group of guys collectively interacting with thier clinically dead best friend, would lead us to the conclusion that they were either grief stricken or, high.

[@Hailfire08]

16:30 like me thinking I see how to solve one of the problems on my problem sheet and promptly screwing it up

[@kriss9940]

you deserve more subs

[@markdichter]

Tacitus writings were not in original manuscripts but in copies of copies from Roman Catholic scribes. The manuscript with this passage was dated in the eleventh century, a thousand years after.his life. Also his historical writings of the first century was destroyed so we have no record of the time of Jesus.

[@amurape5497]

Yep it seems that most of those sources are quoted only by Eusebios. Some Eusebios' quotations are contrary to earlier critique of authors he quotes, i.e. Origenes criticises Flavious for not accepting Jusus as a mesiah even though he accepted John the Babtist as a prophet. Eusebios on the other hand quotes Flavius' claims about Jesus being a Mesiah. So what is the message? Eusebios was probably a scammer...

[@NEGATI0NofP]

Outstang job, keep up the great work.

[@Paulogia]

From you, that is high praise. Thanks, NoP.

[@NEGATI0NofP]

No problem you certainly deserve it for this. BTW, you keep this up and I am sure you will quickly surpass my "contributions" to the debate.

[@guyfawkes9951]

David Fitzgerald's "Mything In Action" does a pretty good (and amazingly in depth) job of putting Jesus as a historical figure to bed. I recommend it highly.

[@craigbeasley1]

So awesome is my thought about you!

[@GlorifiedTruth]

I would actually argue that I am my ultimate authority, and that everyone else is their own as well. Because ultimately all truth gets filtered through my brain and my ability to understand it. To accept a book as an ultimate authority just for the sake of having an ultimate authority is, to me, a lazy abdication of responsibility. And it certainly can't be used to prove one sacred text's truth over any other's with any conviction.

[@leonmccoy77]

Glorified Truth do you know everything? Half of everything? Is it possible for God to exist in the large part of what you "dont know" ?

[@LisaForTruth]

What Eric fails (or refuses) to get, is that it is more honest to say "I don't know." But he doesn't know what honesty is, because he continues to use arguments he KNOWS are lies, just like his dad

[@theowolf960]

If you post it, they will (re) watch it!

[@filipv2167]

So he is saying he is really a bad guy that would lie, steal and cheat if he didn't have a morality held over his head. But since that morality is fake, he literally is lying, stealing and cheating within his little cult.

[@SHDUStudios]

I’m an agnostic just being entertained and having fun.

[@lullasings3466]

Just so you know, I prefer your green backgrounds and thumbnails.

[@grumblesa10]

Hmmm. Another issue I have with Evangelical's of Hovind's and Ham's ilk is this. If having Christians (of the right version, of course: Coptics; Roman, Byzantine, Greek, Russian Orthodox Catholics need not apply) understand and defend the Resurrection is so important, why wouldn't you GIVE IT AWAY to ANYONE who requests it. It's that true spreading "God's word"?

[@donnanobel514]

I am an athiest from Germany with a very dear friend who studied thology once upon a time at the Marthin-Luther-University in Halle-Wittenberg. I studied the hattrick archeology, biological anthropology and geology/palaeonthology - and yes, we ARE still friends (for almost 20 years now). My question regarding the resurrection: Do you know the movie "The Body"? Please don't be too harsh, I love that movie. ;-)

[@camwyn256]

A whole lot of people thinking something is true doesn't make it true. In the past everyone knew the earth was flat and the center of the universe. That didn't make it true

[@williamdowling7718]

This was the most sincere I've ever heard eric sound when talking to or about atheists/ism. It's a damn shame he completely abandoned that tact in favor of just reinforcing the beliefs of existing Christians and simply mocking anyone hwo would believe something different.

[@blackice9088]

Eric is a good example of why we should continuously mock the Creatards... He said once in a video when dismissing a scientific study, and I quote, "Just because it's written down doesn't make it true." I don't think he realized that he had shot himself in the foot with that statement.

[@lreadlResurrected]

The bible contains (mostly) literary characters. They were invented to prop up or further the storyteller's tale. Whether or not Jesus is such a character remains indeterminate; but it seems pretty likely to me that Joseph of Arimathea was one such character. He is unknown in either the bible or history other than for his function of advancing the empty tomb story, after which he is just as quickly forgotten. An excellent discussion of the formation of the gospels appears in "Scripting Jesus - the Gospels in Rewrite" by L. Michael White.

[@Paulogia]

I assume Saul/Paul was a real person. Do you agree?

[@lreadlResurrected]

Paulogia Although I do recognize the validity of some of the arguments made by Robert M. Price ("The Amazing Colossal Apostle - The Search for the Historical Paul"), myself, I do tend to operate as if he was a real person. But put simply, I punt this question. Whether or not that was a "real" Paul, the writings "he" produced exist and, at least for those seven deemed authentic, appear to come from the same "hand", so to speak. (I am led to understand that they were more likely dictated and transcribed insofar as their physical production is concerned.) I do not believe the contents of them are historical beyond the mundane. They are works of theology (exegesis, etc.), and the history contained within them is, I believe, more or less trivial.

[@Paulogia]

True enough, well said. I didn't know that Price had a book on Paul. I'll have to check it out.

[@afterburn7225]

lreadl I could say the same thing about George Washington or Benjamin Franklin, but that doesn't mean that's right

[@SciFiFan2012]

We KNOW GW or BF is real, through his letters, and other historical documents. We don't have sources for JC other than the bible and its authors who wrote after the fact that events happened as described.

[@lnsflare1]

I feel like there should be a list of people who say that only a belief in God would prevent someone from committing all kinds of heinous acts, just so we can better keep track of the sociopaths who believe that they have God's divine authority backing whatever it is they want to do.

[@MARKSFERNIE]

Brilliant... again..

[@CarnivoreLeo]

Hi Paulogia. Found out about your channel via Pincreek.

[@Paulogia]

welcome, Rhonda!

[@nevanderson1164]

Love how he earnestly asserts his M.O. as a lying, cheating, conniving mercenary, Hell bent on attaining his goal, irrespective of the greater impact. Remind me, what is he pushing right now, in the midst of this level of disintergity?

[@Zaprozhan]

Yeah, Eric, churching didn't help you much.

[@gritty011]

Eric seems so nice and he has an education and you can feel that hurt in his words and I just want to tell him it’s ok and you are going to feel better after you are through

[@gregcampwriter]

We don't have to explain the "empty grave" or the "eyewitnesses." Those are events in novels. I can say that Queen Victoria gave Sherlock Holmes an award, and it has the same level of historicity.

[@wallyjude3]

Greg Camp, "I can say that Queen Victoria gave Sherlock Holmes an award, and it has the same level of historicity." Really? What do you have as evidence for such an event, beyond your stunted imagination?

[@gregcampwriter]

Wally, thanks for admitting that both Sherlock Holmes and the Bible have the same level of evidence.

[@wallyjude3]

Greg Camp, "Wally, thanks for admitting that both Sherlock Holmes and the Bible have the same level of evidence." Typical atheist, does not even understand the implications contained within his own argument. I can supply evidence, as the Bible is comprised of several historical documents. You, on the other hand, cannot supply such evidence simply based on the fact Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character and therefore, your scenario is not possible. Only the truly ignorant try to argue the same for Jesus Christ. Somehow, however, I think such an argument may be forthcoming from you.

[@gregcampwriter]

You have evidence? Get on with sharing it. You'll be the first. But don't waste my time by assuming that I haven't seen the claims already. If you cite Josephus and Tacitus, you'll prove that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@wallyjude3]

Greg Camp, "If you cite Josephus and Tacitus,..." I don't need to cite either of them, there is sufficient historical evidence in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John alone. All historical documents written by individual historians attesting to the same events. I know you won't accept that, but whether you accept ti or not changes the facts not one iota. So go for it, junior.

[@ProphetofZod]

Great video on one of the arguments I most love to hate. I remember hearing junk like this straight out of the mouth of Josh McDowell. Even then, as a believer, I had the sneaking feeling that it was all just a pointless exercise in elaborating on our own texts to make ourselves feel better. Unless you already believe, there's no point whatsoever. Almost as if these apologists are ignoring skeptics to milk their paying audience.

[@Paulogia]

Almost! 😂😂

[@leonmccoy77]

Wonder why Paul does what he does? Then why did Jesus do what he did, knowing he would die.

[@Ole_CornPop]

Please never speed up the adio like that, I nearly threw my phone against the wall at the speed of light.

[@tigerdragon76]

What's your into music?

[@darkscot1338]

I like don't knows, life would be dull if we knew all the answers. This is a quote explaining in part why I think this way. “The perfect being, huh? There is no such thing as perfect in this world. That may sound cliché, but it’s the truth. The average person admires perfection and seeks to obtain it. But, what’s the point of achieving perfection? There is none. Nothing. Not a single thing. I loathe perfection! If something is perfect, then there is nothing left. There is no room for imagination. No place left for a person to gain additional knowledge or abilities. Do you know what that means? For scientists such as ourselves, perfection only brings despair. It is our job to create things more wonderful than anything before them, but never to obtain perfection. A scientist must be a person who finds ecstasy while suffering from that antimony. In short, the moment that foolishness left your mouth and reached my ears, you had already lost. Of course, that’s assuming you are a scientist” ― Tite Kubo

[@grahvis]

Dark Scot That thinking is what made me reject the idea there was a Heaven. To me the option is torture of the body in Hell or torture of the mind in Heaven, the latter is therefore an impossibility and if that's the case the former doesn't exist.

[@adamboghosian395]

I don't know that I would ever define the qualifications of presuppositions as, "just because." Is a specifically invalid presupposition ever a working presupposition? How does an invalid presupposition hold up any kind of functioning framework? It doesn't. Working presuppositions are demonstrable presuppositions, demonstrable being the keyword. "Just because," to me, seems, necessarily, a faith-based position.

[@code_monkey_steve]

To be fair, the Ninth Commandment doesn't prohibit Lying for Jesus, only "bearing false witness against thy neighbor", a very specific type of perjury.

[@Paulogia]

To be fair, the New Testament says that if you call someone "a fool", you're guilty of murder and if you look lustfully then you're guilty of adultery. So... Jesus wasn't calling for technicalities.

[@Redhunteur2]

An empty tomb being evidence for a risen jesus is like an empty doughnut box being evidence that it used to contain a million dollars.

[@afterburn7225]

Red Hunteur that makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine

[@BryceRichie]

frankos rooni u still fail to acknowledge the whole part about groups of people seeing him after his death. With a empty tomb and him being seen alive, you can’t really counter that without proposing a ludicrous idea.

[@Nixeu42]

I' M E T H A N B R A D B E R R Y I don't actually find the existence of either the tomb or sightings to be all that valid. How many of the people who supposedly saw him would know him well enough to identify him, beyond the disciples? And how do we know those individuals actually existed? Or that the tomb existed? Pretty much all we have is hearsay from the Gospel writers. Hell, their accounts were edited, and copied repeatedly. Even if they started out accurate, they very well might not be anymore. I mean, Christianity seriously changed when the Council of Nicea (sp?) happened, and the Roman Empire adopted it. I don't find that all that ludicrous.

[@BryceRichie]

Nixeu Harroc If you think Christianity and Christian practices only happened after the Council of Nicaea then you have obviously been mislead.

[@TorianTammas]

Red Hunteur - Wonderful example, but it is only a tale about an empty donut box that should prove that it once had a million dollar in it. We do not even have that actual empty donut box.

[@MiniMotoAlliance]

Strangely, Mormon advertisements are at the top of the recommended videos on this page. I can't say I've ever watched a Mormon advertisement either.

[@subwayscool]

1 Cor 15 Paul claims, right after "Jesus was buried", that he "rose again". Why did u leave this part out?

[@nadinebrown7644]

Another serious problem with Jesus tomb. The man who was guarding the tomb who calmed that the disciples stole the body, is that he was asleep. That's a glaring problem

[@123chugchug]

Why was jesus not buried in the ground?

[@koseighty8579]

Claim: Christianity couldn't have started in Jerusalem unless there was an empty tomb. Me: Funny then that Christianity started in Rome.

[@Paulogia]

You're right. That's pretty funny! Plus the whole sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD... you know, long before doctrines were recorded.

[@koseighty8579]

Christianity reads (to me) as a reaction to the destruction of the temple. If so, it would have started with people like Paul, displaced, trying to wrap their head around a world with no temple cult to bring them salvation every year.

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Kos Eighty it didn't though. It began in the Levant, first Jerusalem and soon moving to Antioch. Rome didn't become a major centre of Christendom until well into the 2nd Century CE.

[@pirbird14]

According to Paul, the followers of Jesus were first called Christians in Antioch. So, that's where Christianity began.

[@Redhunteur2]

delaware, shut up with your fairy stories. Your supposed prophesies are unfunny jokes and your saviour was a jobless hippie who became the first case of suicide by cop. Nobody cares about your blood cult fantasies.

[@lisahenry20]

89 dollars? That had better have at hundreds of hours of stuff. I got the lotr extended edition (11 hours across all 3 films, plus all the behind the scenes extra stuff) set for £10

[@jeffreyp1855]

I can accept that Jesus may have been a real person, it's all the miracles, coming back from the dead, a God's son and yet also the God, that I cannot accept, and that's just the New Testament! LOL! Even when I was a young Christian, I had to put my brain through contortions and abandon my intellect, just to try and wrap my brain around all of the weirdness of the Bible.

[@Paulogia]

I'm envious of your early rationality.

[@jeffreyp1855]

Paulogia You may not have had my "early rationality", but you certainly have me beaten with your education, my man! Love your channel!

[@delawarecop]

Paulogia - as an unashamed self confessed sinner - your envy or covetousness is a sin of course, but let's not allow the TRUTH to get in the way of your YT view counter and allow you to share in the hypocrisy of your unashamed grab for popularity:)

[@ronburgandy5006]

Jeffrey P: I agree. Also add in the approval of murders, approval of beating people to within an inch of their life, absurd stories like cutting off 200 hundred dead dudes foreskins just to get into the pants of a kings daughter, burning in hell for "thinking"? WTF!...just made up shit to do mainly one thing....control minds.

[@patrickkilduff5272]

You don't have to buy into the miracles to believe he was a real person....he could have been real....but didn't do any of those things. Just like many historical figures that were real but have many mythical stories associated with them. I personally don't believe he was real since there is no evidence he did...but it's not because of the silly stories...its simply the lack of real evidence.

[@m4xwellmurd3r]

6:00 eric admits he cant handle not knowing and is afraid of not knowing things so he believes in god as a security blanket so he doesnt have to say "I dont know" I on the other hand embrace "I dont know" it means I still have something to find out. something new to discover. "I dont knows" are exciting. Knowing everything is dull.

[@sbrgm]

Paulogia, you say in the beginning you were a "former Christian"? What is that?

[@JM-ot8ux]

He used to believe that shit, and now he doesn't believe that shit anymore. Your question is dishonest. You're trying to set up a rhetorical trap whereby you can claim that he still believes and is just "angry at God." If you think this tactic hasn't been tried before, you're not very smart. Christers are so FILTHY with dishonesty.

[@gritty011]

You can hear in his voice I know it is hard I went through it I can feel Eric struggling and wants out my family is very religious and you feel like you let them down and his family is way more

[@cul9193]

"Elvis is alive optimists" - I am keeping that one.

[@KreeTerry]

I watch these videos on 1.5 speed and man those gerbil sections of Eric towards the beginning were gut busters 😂

[@davesteadman1226]

Thank you Hovind, I have added you to the list of people who continue to convince me to completely denounce religion.

[@omarg1471]

the only time I am afraid of uncertanty is on exams :(

[@Paulogia]

Gotta hope for partial marks.

[@silvernuss1163]

Possibly an unrelated note and I could be mistaken, but I believe there are some rare cases where presuppositional logic is actually valid. The trick is that the presupposition has to make a chain that you can then backtrack to an anchor (a known fact or something you can demonstrate independent of the assumption). That is to say, defending the truth of the bible with the claims it makes is _not_ a valid presuppositional argument. In fact, the only such valid arguments I know of are from math, where you can take some formula, assume that for an arbitrary value, it yields some related value. Then demonstrate that if this is true, it holds for the next arbitrary value, which then demonstrates that it holds for the next and so on. Then, once you've established this, you follow the whole process backwards until you reach some base case where you can demonstrate this relationship holds without relying on the original assumption, finally building the foundation from which you can now continue indefinitely. It's primary purpose is (I think) simply to prove hypotheses about infinite sequences without somehow testing every single case. Naturally, even if there is a way to apply the logic directly to the real world, this process is far too rigorous for such esteemed presuppositionalists as Sye Ten, Matt Slick, or Eric Hovind.

[@lilah4514]

Supposing that Jesus has existed then even, taking it from the Bible, it is clear that his views and actions made him a widely hated man in Jerusalem. Thus, finding an empty tomb after he's been crucified would not be too surprising for many could just have taken the body to mutilate it or others to show further disrespect and detest. But surely no atheist has any explanation for the empty tomb.

[@TorianTammas]

Paul was the first who claimed to talk about a Jesus and he never meet him, never saw any resurrection or anything. He just imagined it as he did not see or hear anything.

[@larryclark9380]

“Flagrantly breaking the ninth commandment in order to uphold their creation model.” (4:10) Ninth commandment: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.” Paul, you really bent that commandment into a pretzel to achieve your desired destination. Instead, perhaps hear the words of Christ when asked about the commandments (the One who actually has authority to interpret them): Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22)

[@Paulogia]

Matthew 5:21 - 27... you honestly think that the Jesus who said that murder included anger and adultery included lust would give "false witness" the kind of narrow definition you want to give it?

[@larryclark9380]

Paulogia, in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus took the commandments to Gods level. Perfection. We also are not capable of operating at that level. Hence, God must take us there. Combine that with Galatians 3. “The law was our tutor” or schoolmaster. From Galatians 3: 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Paul, your taking The ninth commandment to the nth level is similar to what Jesus did for the Commandments about murder (comparison with hate) or adultery (comparison to lust). You and I cannot meet Gods expectations. Hence, the mission of Jesus at the first epiphany was to die on a cross to make justification possible. I would like to continue with your video on the resurrection as time permits.

[@JM-ot8ux]

@@larryclark9380 This is erudite crap.

[@JM-ot8ux]

@@larryclark9380 This is all based on a book of myths with no identifiable authors. That's why, no matter how lofty your language or how convoluted and complex your staements, it's crap.

[@larryclark9380]

J M2064 Because you cannot comprehend something does not make it false. Titus 1:15 “Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.”

[@DarthCalculus]

The presupposition part starting at 4:50 was disappointing...probably Eric's fault? It sounds like he didn't give *any reason* to believe the Bible is true, but just assumed it? Because you mentioned a WLC-style minimum facts argument, you've probably heard him mention stuff that increases the likelihood of the Gospels' authenticity, like the inclusion of embarrassing details, the unlikely invention of characters like Joseph of Arimithea, and so on. By no means do I assume you find those reasons convincing, but didn't Eric mention *any* of them?

[@Paulogia]

Tim and Eric didn't use "embarrassing details" in so many words... they did talk about the stigma of women as witnesses. "Unlikely invention" phrase may have been used somewhere in the 6 DVDs, but if so, it wasn't emphasized. Definitely not in connection with Joseph of Arimathea. Almost all of it was internal-to-the-Bible support, which was frustrating.

[@dawgpost90]

The advertisement before this video was for a bible app. Lol

[@AgeofCraccadilliaassent]

Got an ad for saint Jude before vid

[@areyoujelton]

They wouldn’t need to do any ads if Jesus would just heal those poor kids.

[@jeanettecook1088]

The resurrection story is well covered in the book, The Trial of Jesus of Nazareth, by Anglican priest S G F Brandon. It's an intellectually honest work of research that studies all the literature and compares "gospels" in exacting detail. His concluding paragraph is well worth reading if you have an interest in how Roman religion/Christianity of the post-Julius Caesar world developed.

[@davidsteer1941]

Give us the synopsis please.

[@jeanettecook1088]

@@davidsteer1941 ... basically, the story of resurrection was developed to mitigate or cover up the political embarrassment of the crucifixion. The supposed leader of the Jews being executed by the common criminal punishment of crucifixion was deeply offensive to Jesus's followers and to Christian and Roman writers putting the story down in the period 140- about 80 CE. S G F Brandon's analysis is exhaustive and well worth the reading. One reason among many that we know the Christian myth of a resurrection is a put up job, so to speak, is that the biblical story of the trial of Jesus and the character of Pilate are completely different than Roman and Jewish records indicate or would indicate. Pilate was no hand wringing, weakling apologist as the NT implies. You can get a used copy of this book for pennies on the dollar at Amazon. The author was an Anglican priest and a very good scholar.

[@hglundahl]

5:48 A presupposition is sth held true from the beginning of a certain discussion, without support of evidence being discussed. A presupposition without support of evidence of more compelling type than itself is the kind of presupposition which is called an axiom. Obviously, when I reason, I presuppose logic is universally valid, and that is a presupposition I cannot back up by reasoning, since, if untrue the reasoning could be flawed by the logic not being valid for this point. Hence, that kind of presupposition is what you call axiom. Eric Hovind is happy with using the term "presupposition" more or less all the time ...

[@MrKiddkerr73]

even though Jesus is a commercial name I believed with my innocent heart at the age of 10, I prayed along with my mom to be healed of a three day earache in which I could not eat or keep my balance , we prayed together in the name of Jesus the Christ and I felt like a marble being pulled out of my ear and the pain was gone and never came back. I have prayed many times since then and no miracle on demand has happened again !!! I have been brought back to life with shock and my life has been saved many times for what I don't know. I also search for truth and I am scared to lay hand on the sick and God work through me because of personal failure . The times are changing and lots of things from the bible are coming true and if so we will start seeing more from God as a group other than in our own little worlds and personal testimonies . We need to keep seeking and we shall find !!! If you think the creator of everything will not hear your heart because you are programmed to a certain name I think we have more to learn in this crazy life . I believe the holy spirit is in my temple via Jesus the Christ and I still carry on the same as all y'all but what I do have is peace from the thought of eternal life with God and true love .

[@jeffboice4790]

Funny thing about earaches, they get better. Adults virtually never get earaches. If you are truly 10, you have a lot of learning to do. Yes, by all means keep seeking. Just try to read outside of your circle, it's a big world out there.

[@gritty011]

He is almost there

[@kleinjahr]

Let us assume,for the moment, that Jesus existed. Assume also that his teachings are also reported accurately in the Bible. So would he be happy with the way Hovind et al have turned His Father's house into a marketplace? Send $666.00 and receive the answer.

[@whiterabbit75]

Didn't he flip some tables over people selling religious stuff? Christians are some of the most self-unaware group I know.

[@therealmiddleeasternjewish3393]

whiterabbit75 if jesus wasn't making money nobody was gonna make money. they stopped paying extortion money to jesus and jesus got mad so the jew bosses put a contract out on jesus.

[@sagerider2]

They're aware enough that they only read the Golden Book of Bible Stories. Not the bible. I know this because when I was little, I read that, & all the nasty stuff is left out. Plus the dirt bit & some other telltale stuff, which I can't remember at the moment. They are still quite happy about the Egyptians being killed for no reason.

[@therealmiddleeasternjewish3393]

Christians don't read the bible, and the preachers aren't gonna talk about Leviticus. If you remember going to church the sermons were always so boring and never any interesting evil stuff. Most figure, why read the bible if the preachers gonna talk about the important stuff?

[@spartacus3]

kleinjahr Only $666.00? What a deal!!

[@tardischick6629]

Why do they think that the tomb story is worth anything? People who were crucified were thrown into mass graves, so why do they think an empty tomb is an argument? IF Jesus was a real person, he would have been thrown into a mass grave. The Romans wouldn't have given him a special burial. So ya' there were empty tombs because he never would have been put there in the first place.

[@PineCreekDoug]

Well Done!

[@Paulogia]

Thanks, Pine! High praise. I'm consciously trying to be more like you in my approach.

[@george10R11]

You can not use a strawman or strawmen to keep you out of hell you are responsible for yourself “every man will give a account of himself to God”

[@jenuism8506]

We live in a world where people believe the world is flat even with the astounding evidence we have to that not being true, yet Christians think there is no way the first believers of the resurrection weren’t mistaken, mislead or maybe a bit nuts?

[@michaelrimmington4981]

(Ray) Comfort blanket?

[@Paulogia]

+michael rimmington tip of the hat for that one. Well played.

[@TheStarTrekApologist]

Paul Edwards?

[@roybaines3181]

The resurrection of jesus? Where you there?

[@metademetra]

"I can tell you the truth for $89.99" "But I can just buy a bible for $15. Why would I not just do that???"

[@Fimbulvinter19]

Or read just about every version printed in its entirety for free online thanks to the miracles of science that are your smartphone and a wifi connection.

[@LisaForTruth]

Some people think Paul suffered an aneurysm that day. It would fit. And if it was in the temporal lobe...well, the brain is a very complex organ, but a some religious people have temporal lobe disorders, like epilepsy

[@JM-ot8ux]

If he was a drunk, he could have had a really severe retching hangover. I had my worst hangover for a day and a half, and when it was over I felt like I'd been visited by God. There may be some physiological reason--you retch and heave so hard and so much you set off some reaction in your brain that has something to do with the gag reflex. Floods you with endorphins or something. Just my opinion.

[@hglundahl]

8:31 Imagine 2017 was the first time a historian wrote about Al Capone? No, more like first time a historian _preserved to 4017_ (if that year occurs) wrote about Al Capone. It is like, one would presume that the historian from 2017 had been basing it on _earlier_ historians lost between 2017 and 4017. This is not at all unrealistic. We do know one or two historians writing under Nero were lost. Also, the three Synoptics are historians writing, according to traditional authorship assignments, previous to Tacitus. There is a break in the narrative discourse on contemporary events - only exception Christians! - from end of Velleius Paterculus in 30 AD to beginning of Tacitus' Agricola. And in Agricola, Tacitus tells us why too. No one dared to give glory to anyone else than the Emperor, and no one honestly cared to give glory for idiotic or false reasons to the Emperor. This ends with Nerva succeeding Domitian. You were saying Gospels were not impartial history books? No one was writing impartial history books anyway. I guess the histories about Al from back then are journalists and other reporters and judges fairly partial to the police who were against Al Capone. Like Tacitus was a Roman, partial for Rome and its glory (and for repairing it from damages, whether by making up for lost time with Agricola or by showing Germans as a good contrast in Germania or by telling about the mistakes of the Julian dynasty after Augustus, so one could avoid making them again, Annals). So, being partial does not exclude Matthew, Mark and Luke from being in the only sense relevant here historians. The sense you think of came to exist in 19th C. Germany and Scandinavia. There was no "real Mommsen", as Mommsen understood his work, back then, except, Mommsen was partial too (like Sallustius, pro-Caesar). So, one would say "as Mommsen at times understood his work".

[@macroman52]

The video clip of Paul/Saul talking to a human-sized Jesus, standing in front of him is great as manufactured evidence. If I was recreating the scene I would have a giant Jesus in the clouds, think of a Genie from a bottle. Why a giant Jesus, you ask? Because of Paul's seed and wheat analogy. What you sow is not what grows, and although Paul doesn't mention it, we all know that what grows is much bigger than the tiny seed. Just as that video asserts Paul saw a life-sized Jesus, I assert Paul saw something big, bigger than the body which was buried, and a body not made of flesh and blood. Is there any evidence that any ancient Christians thought the risen Jesus was enormous? Yes, the Gospel of Peter tells us when the risen Jesus came out of the tomb led by two men/angels, that "the head of the two reaching unto heaven, but that of the one being led out by a hand by them going beyond the heavens." (Raymond Brown translation)

[@Spyder_King]

CRIMINALLY unsubscribed... as in, it should be a crime to appreciate logical, skeptic debunkening, and not be subbed. How are you only at 16k?!?!? Well, 'I' love the crap outa you! And appreciate ALL of the countless hours that go into each of your videos!

[@GodDanC]

The second coming already occurred. Grant's Tomb is miraculously empty.

[@williamstrumfels3305]

Eric Hovind MONEY MONEY MONEY

[@michaelrch]

William Strumfels, like father like son. I wonder if Eric manages to stay out of jail...

[@0x777]

Religion is the only state sponsored scam that the state doesn't actively participate in.

[@lilmadlassinc1797]

I don’t know why, but Eric Hovind and Ken Ham remind me of Radcliffe from Disney’s Pocahontas (I almost expect them to start singing about getting money every time I see them and hear them speak)

[@vbs1992]

Now you made me imagine an "The Apprentice" -style show where contestants must compete in fleecing believers of there money.

[@hdjhdsh]

Intro piano is cooool...agen

[@tate138]

@Paulogia, I believe you are mistaken that Tacitus called Christian beliefs a superstition. The "superstition" being referred to wasn't the Christian belief, it was the superstition that "the fire had been ordered" which, according to Tacitus, was widely believed. Sacrificing Christians was a diversion t "scotch the rumour".

[@luizr.5599]

Great vid