Was Jesus Actually Resurrected? (Infographics Show Response)

[@unknowndane4754]

Yikes the comments on the original video are so filled with "I'm Christian and I knew this was the truth beforehand"

[@johndank2209]

it's actually mostly filled with christians comments of "non-believers being respectful", don't know even why beliefs should be respected, but whatever.

[@thomaslance5428]

It's kinda cringey how many think the video is "well researched" lol

[@roqsteady5290]

@@thomaslance5428 They think it is well researched because it supports what they already believe and presumably what the "researchers" also already believe. They threw a few bones to skepticism, but only so as to give believers a comforting impression of being even handed. But it fails miserably as anything approaching the kind of skepticism that should be applied to such implausible claims.

[@dansmith9859]

If they had even basic capacity for critical thought or any bar of evidence they wouldn't be theists.

[@shriggs55]

@@roqsteady5290 Right on.

[@belterglj]

What really bothers me about this "infographic" is that something that (in my understanding) should be unbiased, is the most biased apologetic screed you're likely to find.

[@SoulSukkur]

To be fair, if you look up "Jesus resurrection evidence," the results are overwhelmingly apologetic, for obvious reasons. Infographic Show could have absolutely found solid counterarguments if it searched hard enough, but think back to how it opened: "One out of three people on Earth identify as Christian." They have no incentive to go through all that extra work. Besides, these apologetic sources already feature "counterarguments" which can be used to appear impartial and bolster the argument. So, I'd only be willing to accuse the Infographics Show of being uncritical. While I'd absolutely trust a CGP Grey or Kurtzgesagt over this, it isn't easy to tell the difference in their epistemology, especially for a typical casual viewer.

[@belterglj]

@@SoulSukkur I agree that they are uncritical. If they wanted to maintain an appearance of impartiality, they could have at least thrown in an occasional mention of alternate theories.

[@SoulSukkur]

@@belterglj But they did, frequently. The problem is that they likely got their alternatives from the *same* apologetic sources, which means each alternative was packaged alongside its respective counterargument and dismissal. I can imagine The Infographics Show didn't even realize they were referring to strawmen. Although, for the record, I am explicitly choosing to give them the benefit of the doubt, given their seemingly neutral history.

[@iamlordstarbuilder5595]

These are the same guys who said the modern USA military would hold off a Doom demon invasion without much problem smh

[@iamlordstarbuilder5595]

@James Patrick a published scientific paper can be pretty close to unbiased, because there’s a lot of hoops you have to jump through to make it. Infographics have a long history of bias, I lost my trust for them when they spewed propaganda about the Dark Web and then when I actually did my own research, it turns out it is nowhere near as dangerous as they make it sound.

[@ianmyrick4032]

This video bothered me quite a bit honestly, I’m also a former Christian and have been following the infographics show as a fan for quite awhile, and I immediately noticed a lot of these same discrepancies. Worries me that a lot of the information I learned may have come from a biased source 🤷

[@mr31337]

You shouldn't feel troubled by that revelation, honest people are duped all the time.

[@ianmyrick4032]

@@mr31337 the difference is the infographics show has several teams of people all doing all this work and this false and biased information just passed through all of them without anyone stopping it An otherwise honest source going out of their way to allow lies and propaganda to reach their audience is dangerous as all hell

[@mr31337]

@@ianmyrick4032 I agree.

[@Tyler-jd3ex]

@@ianmyrick4032 No hate but I disagree, he shows both believers and non-believers. And everything else… it’s truly not considered a reliable source.

[@ianmyrick4032]

@@subaru4920 it might lmao

[@nickbrasing8786]

For what it's worth Paul, this is the kind of content I come to your channel for. Keep them coming!

[@Paulogia]

Thanks, will do!

[@nickbrasing8786]

@@Paulogia At the risk of pushing my luck Paul, I pretty much understand why you haven't done a video yet on slavery in the Bible. Plenty out there. But I think you could reach a much wider audience at this point with one than some others do. Your style is much less "emotional" than Matt's. And much less "technical" than Dr. Josh. Your style of video is really perfect for this to me. I've been considering creating a whole channel on the subject, but think the net would just not be wide enough for a subject this narrow. You have that wider net. I'd be happy to help, or even finance if you need, the video. Matt has my email if you want to discuss. Just mention "Ginger in Vegas" and he'll know who you're talking about. Not holding my breath, but totally serious. You really should do one. But I completely understand why you haven't so far.

[@jacobjohnson7637]

@@Paulogia well looks like you lost a lot of subscribers because you're not even at 100,000 let alone 10 million. They teach us at the police academy if there's a group of people That are giving the same story with the same details with the same wording that's an indicator possible deception,, the point that you have the 12 apostles describing the same event but with different details is an indicator of possible truth! Second off if there is no God then morality is nothing more than a social construct formed by the current popular opinion of the majority... Anywho I'm going to continue watching this video and I'll be right back with you ☺️

[@jacobjohnson7637]

@@Paulogia which is really funny, you do skip some parts of the video.

[@jacobjohnson7637]

For example when infographic show pointed out that women do not make very reliable witnesses in court back in that time

[@michellelabelle3048]

Things can become popular even if they are based on incorrect information. Smoking was popular because people thought it was healthy. Tobacco companies tried to cover up the facts while indoctrinating more followers.

[@MrRoguetech]

Fun fact: A common way to administer asthma medicine before inhalers was to put it in cigarettes. Oops.

[@pynx5585]

Like how scientist agreed on a flat earth? Or the historical scholars who claimed Pilate didn't exist but through the bible they were able to recover archeological evidence of him? He only disregards the gospels as non historical because it surrounds a man named Jesus who is gonna have theological implications obviously since he claims to be God but that doesn't mean its a book focused on theology, it focuses on the life of Jesus.

[@michellelabelle3048]

@@pynx5585I can read the story Frankenstein. It contains letters and it accurate in regard to cities, transportation, national borders that match the time. The book mentions people that were known to exist in the past. Therefore, we can (by your logic) say that it records the life of doctor Frankenstein. Of course, we know the history of this story, but let’s say we didn’t. We could say the say about Paul Bunyan and his miracles too: actual places and people in a specific time.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@MrRoguetech which burns the lungs.

[@sphericalchess]

Teacher: “Matthew and Luke, you are on detention for copying Mark’s homework. John, you’re on detention for not paying attention in class!”

[@stein1919]

and Q is on detention for talking

[@pynx5585]

Example of John not paying attention to the other gospels?

[@EatHoneyBeeHappy]

At the end when he said "something split the Jewish faith in two" he's making the absolutely insane assumption that Judaism was not already split into many different factions, similar to how christianity and Islam are today. He also doesn't mention the oldest christians had disagreements on core aspects of the faith including resurrection. Judaism wasn't split in two, it was just a few Jews who were sick of waiting for a messiah chose their favorite religious teacher Jesus to fill the role. It didn't matter to them that Jesus didn't fulfill the requirements the messiah was prophesized to fulfill.

[@DutchJoan]

The need for large councils was due to the many factions in early christianity. The first 7 of which were to determine church doctrine.

[@melbied6215]

Yes. Mormons could make the same argument. It was just a few Christians who converted (and, so far, at about the same rate as Jewish to Christian conversions in the first couple centuries). Christianity was already split into many factions (denominations) when Joseph Smith came along.

[@Thundawich]

Well even if you don't consider what christianity became or the messiah angle or anything, the core of Jesus' teachings was that judaism was far too legalistic and we should chill on all the rules a bit. That kind of idea wasn't unique to Jesus, and was already heavily dividing much of Judaism.

[@scholarvid1842]

Of course not. It would be Matthew's job to do a helicopter landing of his own christology right in Isaiah 7:14 by assuming the 'young woman' expression the author used when addressing king Ahaz was a prophecy of Mary giving birth to Jesus as virgin. Dear, oh dear,... So much deconstruction needed.

[@johnpap]

How to show you went to a Midwestern fundie evangelical church without saying you went to a Midwestern fundie evangelical church

[@coalhouse1981]

“Explaining how so many 19th century Protestants came to beileve in a radical different version of Christianity called Mormonism is difficult unless the followers had proof of the Golden Plates” See I made the same arugment they did and my guess is they would not accept it

[@OuttaMyMind911]

Bingo. I've heard it mentioned that looking at the birth and rise of Mormonism is analogous to watching the birth and rise of Christianity. Except with Mormonism, we have a little better picture with it being much more recent in history. Many people like to point to factors in Mormonism and yell "fraud"! Yet, there are plenty who still believe with all their hearts. I see Christianity having been no different, but with many of the similar details lost to history.

[@hunter-1717]

@James Patrick Most of what you just said is misinterpretation of the Jewish language into English. Also he never said to hate their own family members in comparison to him. The disciples of their own free will chose to do those things. all he said was follow me.

[@kennethmays8059]

@James Patrick The language Jesus spoke was not Hebrew but Aramaic (might be spelled wrong). And it's the "original text we have today" that are in Greek that's not to say earlier editions in Aramaic didn't exist and then were mistranslated to Greek in the following years and decades not saying you're wrong just saying your opening argument is flawed, many scholars believe that the oldest text we have are copies of earlier works so their is room for mistranslation there. Your second argument that any translation errors should have been caught by now seeing as we found many others translation errors in modern biblical scholarship ( the Reed Sea and the Red Sea being one that comes to mind) is much better but without the originals there is no way to be certain.

[@fakename3208]

I think it’s different given that Jesus was a real person who was really crucified. It all just hinges on the resurrection which is at least interesting that it’s still a debate and not simply brushed aside. A little different than some guy looking into a hat or whatever

[@arcguardian]

@@fakename3208 exactly.

[@tomfromnorthcarolina1491]

Paul, these videos are so well done. I particularly like the way in which you distinguish between facts and assertions. Well researched, well commented and well illustrated, your videos stand out as world class arguments stripping away the assertions of apologetics.

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

This guy is a pseudo-intellectual. I"m not a believer but I don't even have the temperament to watch this whole thing. He says a body would decade beyond recognition in three days, which is ridiculous. It can take several years for a body to turn into a skeleton, and decay generally occurs from the inside-out. Second the idea that Jesus wasn't buried in a temple but that this counter-argument would have never been recorded being presented by people trying to put an end to the heretical Christian cult is beyond absurd.

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

@@Dennis-nc3vw Since you seem to know so much about assertions, you could examine a little more critically the assertions of naturalists regarding abiogenesis. They, including the miller urey experiments have yet to make a complete set(s) of amino acids for a single protein to form from carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulfur and phosphorus. The 6 elements that account for 99% of what organisms are made of. Yet assert that a warm little pond or whatever managed, starting from the 98 naturally occurring elements to form 16.8 billion. Assembling only the 20 specific of 300 kinds, in their 100% left handed forms into the 42 million proteins in the simplest cell.

[@streetsdisciple0014]

Paul’s entire collection of resurrection videos should be played at every Sunday school/ apologetics seminars. How can you defend Christianity if you don’t even know what the counter arguments are? Unless you rather have fake atheist Sean McDowell present straw man arguments that he already knows how to refute...like they did in my church when I was a Christian.

[@histreeonics7770]

What makes you say that Sean McDowell is a fake atheist? He says he is a believer in what I have watched of his. He is just not fundamentalist.

[@streetsdisciple0014]

@@histreeonics7770 he role played as an atheist in front Christian university students who didn’t know he was a Christian.

[@timpieper5293]

histreeonics if you want to see this and a thorough breakdown of why it was unethical. here is a video of that. The original video is towards the bottom of the description: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnOvamacj72ah80

[@rodrigodavet7512]

@@histreeonics7770 if he is the guy I'm thinking about, he goes into apologetics/theology classes and presents himself as a atheist to the students, and "challenges" them to make questions, and them reveals himself and gives the "proper" answers to the questions.

[@shriggs55]

Yeah,I'm with you on the Sunday-school part.My grandkids are being indoctrinated by their parents,and my wife just sent to two of them a couple of fundagelical propaganda books on stories in the Bible and even apologetical stuff about the Big Bang and design! She just sent them out today via the mail.My wife is a staunch fundagelical and it's about to drive me,an atheist,crazy!(although I was an evangelist for 35 years).When she sent those books out,I just about tore my hair out! But there's nothing I can do about it.It's out of my hands--and that's depressing as hell.

[@cattony7479]

The "For the bible tells me so" jingles just made my day.

[@christinel6616]

I always want to look out the window to see if the ice cream truck is coming down the street.

[@gaynomadic]

And they hate it. I've seen Hovind get very pissy about the way Paul uses the jingle. Touches a raw nerve, methinks.

[@HTYM]

@@christinel6616 And the award for Best Response to a KZbin Comment goes to... Well done. Well done, indeed. 👍

[@TheDizzleHawke]

He uses it in dozens of his videos.

[@simplicityistheultimatesop6571]

@@christinel6616 wait by the chimney.

[@kdietz65]

The story of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead lacks any legendary embellishment. No? "Resurrection from the dead" doesn't do it for you, eh?

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

One thing I will never understand about those who defend scripture on faith is why do they assume the writers were necessarily truthful or honest? Would they yield that same level of faith to a modern day preacher writing “updates” to scripture? Something tells me most wouldn’t.

[@jesusfontalvo703]

So far they haven't seen any modern preacher's that can do miracles in the same level of the bible claims and those they have seen miracles they already accept an update of the scriptures. But also the bible if i'm not mistaken proclaim the anti-christ or false prophets will actually do miracles that will deceive many.

[@collinsa8909]

Bcos ppl believe that the Bible is God's word and God inspired. And that the author was just a tool for communicating God's message. Also faith isn't just an intellectual thing it's a spiritual thing. There is a witness in the spirit of the listener telling him that what he is reading/hearing us true. That's y you can hear a preaching and people who've never heard the Bible or of God will come forward to give their lives to Christ. But in non religious talk that pull isn't there.

[@jesusfontalvo703]

@@collinsa8909 I agree, reading the bible is the best way to actually not to fall for those manipulations, "interpretations" .

[@shriggs55]

There.Someone said it.But you want to know something funny? There's is a bunch of evangelical "prophecy channels," that are doing just that-updates.It's my guess that the reason for their existence is that the choir that they usually preach to on Sunday morning or whatever,get bored to death hearing the same old sermons/teachings ad infinitum,especially the baby-boomers that may have been going to a certain church for a godzillion years.So one of the sure ways of keeping your constituency coming back for more two or three times a week and to keep the tithe box full and the money flowing in,is to keep your audience "glued to the tube",so to speak,and excited about Jesus getting closer to the deadline.In other words-updates.

[@joehorn1762]

@@collinsa8909 do you have evidence that people "come to christ" without ever hearing about the bible or Jesus? I'm paraphrasing what you said.

[@petertrnka9127]

The reason Sherlock Holmes is so smart and can deduce conclusions based on the most insignificant clues is because Arthur Conan Doyle wrote him this way. If you want your hero to have Plot Hole Armor you just write that he has.

[@Alan_Duval]

The irony in this approach to plotting a story being called Deus Ex Machina is worthy of at least a smirk :D

[@Nocturnalux]

Pretty much. It often lends itself to terrible writing and when taken too far, overtakes the character. This is how Kira from Gundam Seed Destiny earned the fan-nickname of “Kira Jesus Yamato” and variations thereof. He simply becomes invincible, surviving situations he simply could not possibly have have, with some rather unconvincing attempts at explaining this. Plot Shield Armor is extremely common in mecha anime but this case is so egregious- and characters in-universe reactions add to the weirdness- that the name stuck, even after all these years. How can Kira survive a nuclear denotation when he is sitting on the actual bomb, give or take? He just does.

[@AtamMardes]

Disciples & others never said they have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus. The early writers fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples & others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus.

[@peterfabian6163]

And Arthur Conan Doyle surely let others to torture him while always saying Sherlock Holmes is real

[@KaiHenningsen]

@@peterfabian6163 "The man who was Sherlock Holmes".

[@bakerfx4968]

The documents are historical. Doesn’t mean what they say is non-fiction

[@pauligrossinoz]

Just look at the walls of any ancient Egyptian tomb, or excavated ancient Egyptian building. That's an enormous quantity of textual information of the highest quality that we can be fairly certain is the original text, and also we can be fairly certain about when it was written. But nobody actually believes the stories on the walls when they tell us about how the afterlife works! And there is equally no good reason believe the Bible, which is definitely _not_ the original text, unlike those ancient Egyptian writings.

[@bakerfx4968]

@Lolopopolo what’s Shoa?

[@ottovonbismarck9323]

that why historian decide to test it, with another writting, if document are lie, then the writter come up with exact same lie. that literally impossible.

[@bakerfx4968]

@@ottovonbismarck9323 that doesn’t make any sense. The first books of the bible were out when the rest were made cause it was a compilation of books over hundreds of years. If I got a bunch of copies of spider man I could write a spider man book that uses all the same information. Doesn’t mean spider man is real

[@ottovonbismarck9323]

@@bakerfx4968 it was published by different writers, who wrote what they were saw or hear from the withness, and if you say there are still the way for story is not happen, there are no evidence of that, this is call being too much skepticic,and if I being too much skeptic I cloud claim anything is not real by saying we do not really know

[@Subfightr]

Dude, the amount of work be puts into his videos... Crazy. Thank you Paul

[@robertsandberg2246]

What denomination was Paul before he became atheist? (I'm new to his channel and am very impressed with his work.👍)

[@scambammer6102]

@@robertsandberg2246 Paul was a Jewish Pharisee. Philippians 3:6-5: “If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee.”

[@robertsandberg2246]

@@scambammer6102 Ok. I was under the impression that "Paul" was the guy who made this rebuttal vid.😂 I am very well aware of the Paul in the Bible.✌

[@spud1907]

@@robertsandberg2246 Paulogia was a Mennonite.

[@robertsandberg2246]

@@spud1907 Thanks. That's interesting🤔. Mennonites can be quite a controlling group...😔

[@lreadlResurrected]

You have to wonder when a "secular" themed channel goes full "For The Bible Tells Me So" in its "analysis". Yeah, no.

[@Onoesmahpie]

Don't call infographics a 'channel', it's a full fledged business. And it's not 'secular themed', it's just not focused on religious content.

[@MrYondaime1995]

Reminds me of that "Math proves god" video by ASAPscience.

[@eziorobetthesecond4776]

Satan blinds you won't very cavalier in the great white thrown judgment. I recond there you are gonna be pale as your judged by christ himself and thrown in the lake of fire .

[@thecentralscrutinizer]

@@eziorobetthesecond4776 none of what you said makes sense.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

@@eziorobetthesecond4776 Would be funny if you lived your life as Christian and stand before Allah in heaven, you don't waste time thinking about the Islamic afterlife, the concept of it sounds like made up fantasy to you and you probably think it is silly to believe in it. That's exactly how we feel about your BS about every Form of afterlife myth including yours.

[@ryanrevland4333]

With these leaps of logic we could prove thousands of resurrection stories throughout history. It's incredible how people can recognize myths and legends in other religions, but not their own.

[@jameswarrren2545]

@James Henry Smith Isn't it pretty to think so?

[@brandonman1315]

You get a zombie! You get a zombie! Everyone, gets a zombie!!!

[@Jambinho]

any examples of other resurrections?

[@ryanrevland4333]

@Jambinho Far too many to list them all, but considering the Gospels are written in Greek by Hellenized Jews I'll name a few from Greek culture: Dionysis, Persephone, Adonis, Asclepius, Orpheus and don't forget Hercules 💪 Resurrection is a popular myth in many cultures.

[@Ratherbflyin]

@@Jambinho There is also the story of Osiris' death and resurrection in ancient Egyptian mythology. This story appears to have originated somewhere around the 24th century BCE, and the Israelites were in Egypt somewhere around the 16th-10th centuries BCE (I am not a historian, so my dates may be off), so the Israelites would have been familiar with that story.

[@donsample1002]

Joseph Smith also maintained his story about getting the Book of Mormon directly from an angel, and translating it with magic stones, right up to his martyrdom.

[@ob2249]

dons ample best money making business model in the us. invent a god or gods, talk to gullible americans an voila. the land of make believe religion.

[@Ilikepie18855]

If Joseph Smith lived 2000 years earlier he would be written as a prophet like Paul lol.

[@jacekiser5876]

Yep. So did his "witnesses" to the existence of the gold plates.

[@blahblahblah6]

@@ob2249 Well, I'd venture that the mainstream denominations have brought in a hell of a lot of money & they existed well before America did. It ain't just Americans who are gulible. Far from it.

[@blahblahblah6]

@@Ilikepie18855 He is, to the Mormons.

[@umbralryu]

Infographics is fun, but I found out a lot of their stuff was surface level research only. Shows like Today I Found Out that do more deep dives led me to see how infographics is wrong about a lot of stuff in general.

[@MegaeffinGarchomp17]

I agree. A lot of their stuff also caters to the desire for sensationlism we all have. It makes it more entertaining to leave us to fill in the blanks, but it doesnt make for accurate presentation

[@hunter-1717]

Most of the time in trying to prevent information in ways viewers will understand and in a short timeline they do end up glossing over things or misinterpreting information. Not to say they are ever outright lying and most the time seems like an honest mistake.

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

It's the poor man's Kurzgesagt

[@sambun6394]

i wanna know how much research and time he put into this video probs a lot

[@Gary109]

Wrong color

[@jenna2431]

PTSD can hit you after the death of someone. I had it after my husband died. He appeared as real to me as he was in life, but it was a PTSD hallucination, well-known among people who grieve, particularly in highly stressful circumstances. They slowly went away, but it probably took a couple of months (or maybe 40 days, I'm not sure.) I now know how people think they see a ghost.

[@nemilyk]

Paul: "It puts out highly researched..." Me, a history nerd: "...ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... let's file that under 'debatable'."

[@iseriver3982]

And by debatable you actually mean "out right bullshit".

[@nemilyk]

@@iseriver3982 Damn, you got me!

[@iseriver3982]

@@nemilyk holy shit, just looked at their channel, they've got a video about a child who thinks he was a ww2 pilot in a previous life. Why do all pop sci channels turn to complete nonsense?

[@EdwardHowton]

@@iseriver3982 Bullshit sells. History is boring. Crazy people off their medication saying the pyramids were built by aliens? THAT makes money.

[@roqsteady5290]

The fact that it has 10m subscribers, on its own makes me suspicious that they are selling some kind of comforting snake oil. It is a sad fact that unbiased sources just don’t attract as many people as sources that confirm what people want to believe. That is the whole business model of Fox News, for instance.

[@EatHoneyBeeHappy]

Brilliant and respectful takedown of Infographics' video Paul. Like most unexperienced apologists, it came across as a sad and desperate attempt to make their religion sound special and different than others. Infographic creators would do well to practice the outsider test for faith.

[@hunter-1717]

They did bad at displaying counter arguments for sure and only did surface level research. Although their poor display doesn't speak for the rest of us and the outsiders test for faith is an interesting perspective but it doesn't seem to tackle the theological issues presented in Christianity and more the religion side.

[@davidburroughs2244]

Infographics would do well to stick to history and no more and none to proving christianity is true than they would care run a program to prove any of the others are untrue.

[@itwsntme]

Thanks for this. I had discovered The Infographics Show a while back and was enjoying their videos. Then I hit this one, and was thinking, "they're not seriously going to try to argue the biblical stories are historical facts, are they?". Oh brother. Even without the knowledge you have, it was obvious to me from very early that they were attempting to look as "presenting both sides" whilst carefully choosing/distorting the skeptical views so they could easily debunk them. It probably sounds extremely convincing to the converted, but strikes as very dishonest to anyone with a balanced view. That threw into question every other video they made for me.

[@jitth.1652]

@It Wasn't Me agree it sounded like it tries to be balanced but people who have atleast 8 years experience on the internet knows whats up

[@richardscottmills]

Yeah. I liked them to but now I distrust all their research and will go elsewhere for such content.

[@cptnsx]

Same - just left a post on how I'm done with them. As someone who studied near eastern religions - I didn't make it past 10min. Obviously they care more about subscribers count and therefore money - than fairness.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

What evidence do you have that the videos were made specifically for you?

[@elemerhabok3285]

@@reubenmanzo2054 I think he meant that he has doubts of the video(s) content. It's nothing personal I would say.

[@jaynajuly2140]

I think people often tend to confuse the field of studying history for the bite-sized history classes they had in high school and college

[@Arnisboy]

Infographics episode looking more like a Gish Gallop with this breakdown

[@axeman3d]

I think the 'complete and utter lies to promote their cult' is also a valid possible explanation for the ressurection.

[@superdumb7352]

So people died for something they knew for certain was a lie for no gain? Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

[@superdumb7352]

Furthermore, a lot of them were Jewish, meaning that going against the Pharisees would be unthinkable. If they were “just following a cult” they wouldn’t have turned their back on the Jewish faith

[@particube]

The whole video was just a thinly veiled apologetic spiel that threw in some Bart Ehrman citations to feign the illusion of impartiality. Good work Paul.

[@bludfyre]

I felt like they lifted parts of their video from the Cold Case Christianity guy

[@theprinceofdarkness4679]

I want to add N T Wright to the list of prime suspects It sounded exactly like a summary of his position

[@renx81]

Yeah, I agree. None of this is historically researched material. Which ironically would give his argument an upper hand.

[@elly-kz1eq]

That jingle lives rent free in my head and I'm not complaining

[@markallenbialik]

The frequency of “for the Bible tells me so “ had me cracking up

[@plushcentric]

Samee

[@Rjg19831]

I’m not sure what you mean. The Bible is a historical document.

[@war0nheaven]

⁠@@Rjg19831*jingle* jingle

[@randallbesch2424]

@@Rjg19831 historic fiction.

[@ericslingerland5472]

Because 1 in 3 people identify as Christian the resurrection is "the single most important event in human history" 50 seconds in and a pretty large amount of bias already showing. And of course their whole video is just "if the Bible isn't true, there is no way to explain all the claims in the Bible" Edit: I am unreasonably annoyed that my auto correct capitalizes Bible

[@marketingweb8772]

Band wagon fallacy - Many people believe in this, so it must be true!

[@mikeharrison1868]

You can go back and uncapitalize things...

[@markshort9098]

buybull not bible

[@cindys9491]

Right, I immediately saw the "resurrection as the most important event in human history" as an extraordinary claim. Not the discovery of fire, or the development of medicines, or the discovery of germs under a microscope, or the invention of written language or... something that would materially affect billions of people? Ok, infographics...

[@teucer915]

The blogger Scott Alexander once posted about Mormonism as "the control group for Christianity" - it's every bit as well supported by early witnesses as the Gospel story is, but most Christians reject it anyway. Every argument for rejecting Mormonism is an equally good argument for rejecting the notion that any of the resurrection story literally happened.

[@NDHFilms]

As far as eyewitness testimony goes, the people we know were there, the Jewish elders, were pretty confident that Jesus wasn’t the real deal.

[@AFlyingCoconut]

It's even worse than that. Nowhere is it ever attested to by the Christ figure that he is God, this is a later attribution to his character after the First Council of Nicea in 325AD voted on whether or not Jesus was God, I'm not even kidding. Christians say that Jesus "fulfilled the old law", that he was 100% Man and 100% God, that he was sent, by The Father, to avenge the Original Sin placed on us, by The Father - Again, Original Sin is a Christian invention Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, not a mortal, that he should change his mind As the old joke goes - Mormons were invented so that Christians would know how Jews feel

[@TheDizzleHawke]

@@AFlyingCoconut ...and Scientology was invented so that Mormons would know how Christians feel.

[@WildCard-ze3tm]

@@AFlyingCoconut Please, I hope that you are not implying that Jesus' divinity was invented at the Council of Nicea, or that it was not widely believed before that.

[@NYCFenrir]

@@AFlyingCoconut The Holy Trinity was established in 381 at the First Council of Constantinople. More doctrine voted on to be what is to be believed.

[@WildCard-ze3tm]

​@@NYCFenrir Tertullian (d. 220 CE) already espoused a Trinitarian view of the godhead. Justin and Clement of Alexandria (both d. before 215 CE) are recorded addressing prayers to the Trinity.

[@southernsal3113]

👋👋 Paulogia. Honestly, I'm not interested in letters to churches, etc. Where are the contemporary writings of Jesus's time? Why didn't Jesus write anything for himself? He's supposedly God in human form, but he had no writing skills? All this "after the fact" collection of writings, unfortunately, isn't going to convince me.

[@pauligrossinoz]

The killer argument against Christianity is the total lack of Jesus writing anything down at all. Jesus is supposedly motivated to "save" everyone, where "saved" is defined as believing that Jesus was resurrected ... yet Jesus put exactly zero effort into convincing the world he was actually resurrected. He supposedly went to heaven immediately after his supposed resurrection, leaving the telling of his story to illiterate dudes. That's a worse than pathetic effort by Jesus! Christianity is based on obviously stupid claims.

[@melanieahrens6739]

Even assuming as God on earth he never learned to write, recruiting a scribe should have been Job 1.

[@southernsal3113]

@@melanieahrens6739 agreed

[@pmtoner9852]

People at the time who seemed like they would have mentioned Jesus, philo of Alexandria is one, have never heard of him. This is odd because the gospel says that Jesus was so popular that he couldn't go into big towns.

[@Bill_Garthright]

_Why didn't Jesus write anything for himself? He's supposedly God in human form, but he had no writing skills?_ Writing skills? Heh, heh. You're setting the bar pretty low, aren't you? For a _god?_ :) Why didn't Jesus visit _every_ Roman who persecuted Christians, instead of just Paul? Heck, why didn't he visit _everyone in the world,_ all at the same time? He was supposed to be a _god,_ wasn't he? And even Santa Claus can do _that._ Choosing just Paul was either deliberately designed to look like a natural hallucination or it _was_ just a natural hallucination (if it happened at all). Since we already know that natural hallucinations exist, that's not even a difficult decision.

[@constantgardener19]

Well done, Paul. I watched the Infographics video earlier today and was dismayed at how it played fast and loose with the "facts". Thank you for straightening the record!

[@thedarkdragon89]

Yeah, I sometimes see my grandpa, I lived with him and was one of two people to find him when he passed, I have PTSD from that night and occasionally see him as if he were there, it's usually just a flash though, so yeah, post grief hallucinations are totally real.

[@DisticTV]

Of course you use typical arguments that have been proven wrong

[@spitfire184]

That sucks, my condolences.

[@danielosetromera2090]

Nobody said they are not real. What cannot happen is mass hallucination where everybody experience the exact same thing. Hallucination theory is hopeless. In fact, few scholars defend it today.

[@danielosetromera2090]

@@Lamster66 That's correct. Something like the so called miracle of the sun is not possible, if by that we understand a mass hallucination. Unless it was not an hallucination, and was instead a vision induced by God himself. Of course you could argue that there is no such things as God-induced visions, but then you should also put in doubt (or even outright deny) the existence of God itself, which would led us to a far, far more complex debate. But yes, I also think staring directly at the sun for minutes long without protection is not exactly a good idea.

[@danielosetromera2090]

@@Lamster66 I agree with you that the notion of the "God of the gaps" is ultimately irrational. I don't believe in it at all. It undermines science, and God and science, contrary to popular belief, are not opposed at all. I'm catholic, and therefore lean towards a thomistic (from Thomas Aquinas, the great medieval catholic theologian and philosopher) view of God. God sustains the universe in existence from second to second. In other words, if God suddenly ceased to exist, the universe would just vanish too. He is not there to fill the gaps in our understanding of the natural world (that's the role of science); Instead of that, he's (in the words of Aquinas) "to be itself". It's the pure act of being. I think that movements like Intelligent Design (that defends a "God of the gaps" vision) are doing a lot of damage promoting a simplistic and distorted understanding of God.

[@Bxgodson2fl2]

I saw this and immediately thought "Wonder what Paulogia would think of this?"

[@autumnjim8616]

Praying for every soul here. Much love to you all and hope you are having a good day or night :).

[@bafer6365]

Theres no hope for humans i fear

[@randallbesch2424]

Nice but no endemic value otherwise.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@bafer6365 such a pessimist. Hope is useless if you have no plan no goal and a reason to carry it out.

[@MidlifeCrisis82]

This is fantastic. Well done. Also, thank you for reference to your blog about gospel comparison.

[@maloc1824]

So Zombies aren't possible, yet Christ coming back from the dead is possible.

[@MidlifeCrisis82]

There's a difference. Jesus retained his mind after rising. He was a lich.

[@streetsdisciple0014]

@@MidlifeCrisis82 Was Lazarus a zombie or did he retain his mind?

[@MidlifeCrisis82]

@@streetsdisciple0014 I can't really say. It appears he could have been a zombie since the only info we have from him is that he walked to Jesus. He didn't say anything either.

[@michaelwilkinson4816]

If we're talking about the type of undead Jesus would be I would say a vampire. If you give up your soul to him he will grant you eternal life. He really cannot enter a home unless somebody invites him in. And the cross is his symbol letting other vampires know the person is already claimed by him and that is why vampires fear the cross.

[@MidlifeCrisis82]

@@michaelwilkinson4816 you forgot he also offered his blood!

[@thejesuschrist]

Love you

[@streetsdisciple0014]

Wigga plz

[@thomaslance5428]

Thanks, Jeebus.

[@creedatorx439]

Paul has just weakened people's faith, and he has possibly even made people leave the faith, which is very messed up. And there's proof that Jesus existed btw :)

[@kevinqwen221]

Gay 😍

[@kenbee1957]

Awwww Love you too, Jesus Hey, while I have you here, there's this small issue of my upcoming rent on the 5th. And my currently €8.4 Bank balance. If you can do something about that it would be swell, man Thanks

[@michaelsommers2356]

Most of the people who converted to Christianity were gentiles, who had no previous notion of a messiah that had to be altered to fit Jesus. Few Jews, who did have such a notion, became Christian.

[@DaveCM]

Mostly because all of the prophesies that were required for him to be the Messiah was not fulfilled. Christians just ignore the fact.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

That explains Paul’s endeavor to target gentiles to convert and changing Jewish laws like circumcision.

[@AbandonedVoid]

Also, Dionysus, the popular god at the time, was said to have been resurrected. So it wasn't THAT unique of an idea, especially among the Romans.

[@michaelsommers2356]

@@AbandonedVoid When was Dionysus resurrected? He was untimely ripped from his mother's womb and implanted in Zeus's thigh, but he didn't die then.

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@michaelsommers2356 en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough/Dionysus#:~:text=Like%20other%20gods%20of%20vegetation,enacted%20in%20his%20sacred%20rites.&text=Zeus%20in%20the%20form%20of,%2C%20Dionysus%2C%20a%20horned%20infant.

[@elainejohnson6955]

Every time people said they saw Elvis alive after he was dead, did these people dig up his body to prove them wrong?!? These are absolutely absurd assertions in defense of the Bible stories.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

Every document is a valid historical document, depending on what you're trying to study. The history of forgery is fascinating. I took a pair of comparative literature courses taught by an atheist that used the old and new testament to learn about the people who wrote them. He didn't premise the course on what theu wrote being true, only that they were written and then we examined the beliefs and practices of the people who produced those works.

[@MichaelAChristian1]

Read Genesis 40. Tell me who wrote it! Jesus loves you! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED! Get a king james bible and believe. Read Matthew. Read 1 John 4.

[@r.m.5548]

@@MichaelAChristian1 no gods exist, nobody believes you, you're talking crazy

[@MichaelAChristian1]

@@r.m.5548 Jesus Christ is the Living God! Neither is there salvation in any other. After 12 or so years of school of brainwashing atheism is still at 4 percent, sounds like you are the one in denial. Jesus loves you! Call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be SAVED!

[@brotbrotsen1100]

@@MichaelAChristian1 Saved from what he will do to us if we don't accept that a Timless, omnipotent, omniscient entity created a human version of himself to sacrifice him to himself to save us from the consequences of the rules he made up. Yeah absolutely rational belief system, as long as you don't think about it atleast.

[@Guy_With_A_Laser]

​@@MichaelAChristian1 The author of this part of the text appears to be J, but some elements of the Joseph story were expanded on by E. Regardless, very little of Genesis is likely historical at all, so probably this story was a fictional account or parable meant to teach a particular theological point. This story is essentially a "Hero's Journey" archetype and follows a very similar structure to many other stories and myths.

[@andreasplosky8516]

So what's next for Infographics? Did Orion really get killed by a giant Scorpion? Did Medusa really have snakes for hair? Did Hansel and Gretel really kill the witch? Did the goose really lay golden eggs? Did Santa really wear women's underwear?

[@SpyderQueen1988]

The last one is definitely true

[@NovaSaber]

Did Arthur really pull a sword from a stone? Did Xenu really nuke a bunch of aliens in a volcano? Did Sun Wukong really get freed from the mountain the Buddha trapped him under? Did Superman really survive the destruction of Krypton?

[@marketingweb8772]

@@NovaSaber lol

[@jayfredrickson8632]

I don't know about the underwear, but he kept a sweatshop staffed by small people, and had a questionable relationship with his livestock.

[@galacticgambit2072]

TBF Jesus is at least confirmed(for the most part) to have been a real historical figure. Doesn't automatically prove the religious stuff true

[@TheHoneyBadger-yh5vj]

Faith in God helped many of my friends to get off drugs and alcohol. I respectfully disagree with your opinion but I respect it. from Croatia-Europe 💙💙💙

[@BokanProductions]

I'm glad there's still a believer here.

[@michaelsommers2356]

I'm curious as to how you get permission to film in the Hogwarts library.

[@jursamaj]

Like the kids: who needs permission?

[@JohanKylander]

Hogwarts got permission.. from him.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

I wonder if he’s a Hufflepuff.

[@thomasfplm]

The bigger problem is to make a video camera work in a building with so many wizards.

[@michaelsommers2356]

@@thomasfplm That's something that really bothers me about the Potterverse and other magical worlds. If electricity doesn't work around magic, then chemistry doesn't work, either, or even atoms, so how can anyone live, or anything made of atoms even exist?

[@thomasdoubting]

Early Church leaders in Rome writing something down: "Is it allowed to eat turtles on Friday?"

[@caligo7918]

Beavers were nearly eradicated in Europe in the middle ages, because as semiaquatic lifeforms, the church marked them as "fish", so they can eat them on Fridays....

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

@@caligo7918 And thus the mighty forests of Europe thrived. "Eat a Beaver, save a tree"

[@MultiCappie]

larf!!

[@paulohagan3309]

@@Jay-ate-a-bug Weren't they cut down later on?

[@Jay-ate-a-bug]

@@paulohagan3309 They had to; Hoods kept hiding in them and robbing the rich.

[@TheArkman360]

Hey Paul, have you ever making a Google Doc or a slideshow containing all the evidence for and against the resurrection with a timeline and documents and stuff?

[@iseriver3982]

'put out highly researched daily content' Does not compute.

[@NopeJustPatrick]

Yeah, "highly researched" and "daily content" don't belong in the same sentence.

[@austinlincoln3414]

lol me when making an essay

[@kenbee1957]

They have 1500 videos on the channel 😳

[@tonydarcy1606]

Perhaps next Infographics will do a video of what type of tobacco Sherlock Holmes put in his pipe ? And did that change after his resurrection ?

[@crisdekker8223]

Crack cocaine. It's canon.

[@magicpigfpv6989]

@@crisdekker8223, I dont know about that. the Cinematic gospels had him with some morphine opioid dependency. And I saw that with my own eyes! /s

[@crisdekker8223]

@@magicpigfpv6989 Heretic! You are not a true Holmist!

[@austinlincoln3414]

lol

[@Buzzcook]

The books say "shag". Supposedly he smoked a pound of it solving the Hound of the Baskervilles.

[@JohnBrockman]

"James the brother of Jesus" recounted in Josephus was referring to a wholly different James and Jesus, the sons of Damneus. Jesus ben Damneus is named explicitly later in the passage; the christos thing is uncharacteristic of Josephus and is a later interpolation.

[@SapphWolf]

Wait... the Jewish church "split in two."? I was under the impression that Christianity didn't spread well among the Jewish people and it was primarily the gentiles that were converting. Wasn't that the whole point of the Council of Jerusalem? To decide if the gentile converts needed to convert to the Jewish faith to be Christian?

[@michaelsommers2356]

Sure, it split into a group of twenty or thirty who believed in Jesus, and another group composed of everyone else.

[@SilverSixpence888]

Well the "Jewish church" was never a monolithic entity. It had always been, and still is, split in to countless factions. One of them became christianity. Perhaps several became several christianities, as even from the start, there were many (says Paul).

[@MrRoguetech]

I've been told the only explaination is the Jewish authorities showed everyone that Jesus' corpse was still in a tomb.

[@robsaxepga]

Bart Ehrman addressed the accurate recitation of scripture and found that's not actually true.

[@_catulus]

Bart Ehrman has a bad habit of telling half-truths. For example, his claim in his work "Misquoting Jesus" that the New Testament contains "thousands of inconsistencies." What he neglects to mention (at least to my knowledge) that in the field of textual criticism and analysis, there are multiple categories of inconsistencies (variants) which are either significant variants or insignificant. Significant variants are discrepancies that damage the story's reliability (For example, if one manuscript were to have noted that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, whereas another did not). Insignificant variants are minor details like spelling, grammar, inverted words, or even differing details (for example, if one manuscript said Jesus was leaving Jericho whereas another said he was entering Jericho). This is important because (again, to my knowledge) Ehrman does not inform his readers that even though the New Testament has thousands of variants, the overwhelming majority are (or at the very least, would be) categorized as insignificant. Insignificant variants are actually helpful in establishing the credibility of a document as it indicates the manuscripts were not plagiarized.

[@robsaxepga]

@@_catulus I'm sorry... You have your PhD in religious studies from where?

[@Venaloid]

Wow, the writers at the infographics channel honestly seem a little desperate. It comes across like they did the proper research, realized that the foundation of what is likely their own faith wasn't nearly as strong as they had been told, and so they started focusing more on common apologetics rather than historical reliability.

[@gregcampwriter]

If the principle of embarrassment is a valid method of historical interpretation, then the story of the rape of the Sabine women proves that Romulus was a real person.

[@kennethmays8059]

Who's to say he wasn't. But i don't think the Romans of the time would be embarrassed by that story the way we are today.

[@gregcampwriter]

@@kennethmays8059 They were embarrassed by that story.

[@thejudgmentalcat]

Now I have the "🎶For the buybull tells me so🎶" ditty in my head. Arrgh

[@AbandonedVoid]

Jesus loves me, this I know...

[@RickReasonnz]

Never been christian and yet, when Paul plays that stupid tune, I hear those fucking words. I've been conditioned by Paul!

[@MiniEquine]

@@RickReasonnz it’s a bit of helpful counter-apologetics to remind us when somebody starts singing that godforsaken song to start running, lol.

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@MiniEquine The worse one is "Be careful little eyes what you see." At least you can debate scripture, but when people are not only afraid of questioning their beliefs but outright antagonistic towards those who do as evil and lead astray... yeah, they can be genuinely dangerous. Those are the kind of people that turn into mass shooters.

[@mtersch]

@@AbandonedVoid I agree. Imagine how much power it takes to become a counter-apologetic, and it certainly is on the rise. Hence, deeply moved to counter comment here. OK have a good one. Take care.

[@mathiasrryba]

James of Zebedee, who died in 44 AD supposedly, was killed by a king who died in 8 BCE? Some great reliable sources there, infographics.

[@laalki80]

Thanks! That Infographics video was painful to watch. So many claims and sources (mainly: the Bible) just outright accepted as factual with little to none merit.

[@resurrectionnerd]

Only Paul's testimony is firsthand - "Jesus appeared to me" (1 Cor 15:8) and "God revealed His Son in me" (Gal. 1:16). All the gospels are not firsthand sources and the endings all get more embellished over time as if a legend is evolving. If you look up the meanings of the Greek words for "appeared" and "revealed" you'll find that the range of meaning can account for normal sight all the way to "seeing with the mind" or having a "visionary disclosure of transcendent secrets from heaven." Interestingly enough, Acts 26:19 calls Paul's experience a "vision from heaven." In other words, even though Jesus' physical body was not present on the earth, one could still claim Jesus had "appeared" to them in some type of visionary experience and this was accepted as a "resurrection appearance" in the 1 Cor 15 creed. Since the burden of proof is on the apologist to show that these people really saw Jesus alive again after his death, the evidence from the earliest and only firsthand source is insufficient to establish that claim. Paul uses the same verb for each "appearance" in 1 Cor 15:5-8 and so apologists do not have any evidence based reason to assume they were different in nature. Later, after the story evolved, is when we get the empty tomb, physical appearances and a witnessed physical ascension but, again, these are not firsthand sources and the stories they tell all look like a legend evolving with the apologetic purpose of showing a more corporeal/realistic resurrection - Lk. 24 "I'm _not_ a spirit, flesh and bone Jesus," Acts 1:3 "Provided many proofs he was alive," John 20 - Doubting Thomas story - "Those who believe without seeing are blessed." So to sum up, the evidence is insufficient to establish that anyone really saw a physically resurrected figure. Thus, the resurrection argument fails to persuade.

[@collinsa8909]

The evidence will never b sufficient for atheists bcos atheists simply dont want it to so. The lives of the disciples radically changed after their encounter with the risen Lord. Before they were scared men who'd given up that their cause was a list one. Peter returned to fishing. The others cowered from the Roman army and high priest mafia but in the end ended up boldly giving their lives away for their faith. So for hallucinations and wishful thinking

[@mikhailhunter5277]

The issue here around the 22 minute mark, is that none of disciples believed Jesus would resurrect. The reason we have the hallucination theory is because... 1.A man name Jesus did exist and secular historians agree on that. 2. Claims to have seen a risen version of Jesus has been substantiated. And this is the opinion of atheist historians, Jesus did exist and people claimed to have seen him after his death. So now we are left with a question. Did they see him? Or Did they thought they saw him? We are going off the assumption that they thought they saw him, because once again. The claims of seeing Jesus on that Sunday is true. So now the actual debate is did what they saw was real? And our best explaination, is grief hallucination? The disciples all had the exact hallucinations, about the same person, coming back to life and telling them the same thing. And 100s of other people also hallucinated the same thing?? 2 people alone having the same exact hallucination is a stretch. 2 people hallucinating at the same time is also a stretch, especially when the conditions for hallucinations don't exist

[@antiksur8883]

100s of other people is the claim by an author. "One person saw 100s of other people" is the truth. Also, "tell the same thing"? The Gospels literally copy from each other. Even if I were to accept that all the Gospels say the same thing, it's not that surprising. Also, they don't say the same things. And we have contemporary examples of such mass hysteria. Like the people who saw Elvis after his death. Lastly, you haven't established that ressurections are possible. Thus, the probability of a resurrection is 0. No matter how improbable shared hallucinations are, it is non-zero. You do the math and tell me which is more plausible.

[@manthedan3096]

@@antiksur8883You state resurrections are impossible because you have a presupposition against miracles. If many people resurrected throughout history could resurrect then the claims about Jesus would not be special.

[@zugabdu1]

Don't watch the Infographics show. Watch Kurzgesagt instead. It's like the Infographics show if the Infographics show had a brain and integrity.

[@Dustin_Bins]

I used to watch Infographics show until they had a video on "The proof of After death experiences" which completely turned me off to them. I would rather have my information come from people who don't imply their own religious biases into their info.

[@iseriver3982]

Kurz has its faults, and openly biased to one side of the political spectrum. It's admitted to faults its made in the past, but it's still made the faults. I wouldn't trust Kurz, and there's way way way way better sci channels on KZbin.

[@unicyclist97]

Kurzgesagt is awesome! The only people who oppose it are religious or right wing nutcases.

[@zugabdu1]

@@iseriver3982 I guess videos on things like the EU could have a political bias, but there isn't really much of a political valence for things like how black holes work, or particle physics, which form the bulk of their content (they've actually made a point of staying away from more political topics recently). I mean, is there a rightwing/leftwing way of explaining bacteriophages? Kurzgesagt is very transparent about its sources, so viewers can judge for themselves. As for there being better science channels on KZbin, I promise you the Infographics show is not one of them.

[@onyxtay7246]

@@zugabdu1 I would guess that by "political" they mean stuff like climate change.

[@cutekoala]

If they see the gospels as accurate, JC went on and on about rising from the dead before he actually died so it was not a 'new idea' to the disciples. Elijah and JC claimed to have resurrected people themselves and there was also a rumour quoted in the gospels that JC was a resurrected John the Baptist.

[@jacerogers2502]

To clear some things up, Jesus and John the Baptist (JtB) were alive at the same time. Jesus didn’t start his preaching until his early 30’s. John died after Jesus started. Also, yes, Jesus has risen the dead on many occasions. The idea of him coming back from the dead was pushed into the back of the apostles’ minds, as they were being pursued by authorities and mourning the death of Christ. Thank you for your time.

[@cutekoala]

@@jacerogers2502 No you haven't cleared things up: 'King Herod heard about this, for Jesus’ name had become well known. Some were saying,[b] “John the Baptist(T) has been raised from the dead, and that is why miraculous powers are at work in him.” 15 Others said, “He is Elijah.”(U) And still others claimed, “He is a prophet,(V) like one of the prophets of long ago.”(W) 16 But when Herod heard this, he said, “John, whom I beheaded, has been raised from the dead!” Mark Ch 6.

[@jacerogers2502]

This is because they believed him to be a prophet, not the Messiah.

[@cutekoala]

@@jacerogers2502 the only point I'm making is that people at the time believed in the possibility of personal resurrection which William Lane Craig in the video denies.

[@whooll]

Thank you for doing this response. I have followed and watched that channel and seen a large amount of their videos which were about as entertaining as this one. But seeing it gave me flashbacks to my childhood all throughout my school years growing up in rural Georgia. A lot of infographics videos ends with a more "tell us, what do you think?" to the subjects that aren't based on concrete fact. And this one came across as if stating a matter of fact. So again thank you for doing this video.

[@riverdaledragon]

I saw this when they posted it and hoped you would make a video on it.

[@king_crimson_crown]

Me too

[@bghiggy]

When I first saw this I was hoping you'd make a response. Thanks Paul!

[@letstrytouserealscienceok8735]

There is a significant difference between "valid historical documents" and "genuine documents from history". Much of the bible falls into the second category, and virtually none of falls into the first.

[@stiimuli]

I've only heard of the Infographics show in passing but kind of assumed it was like Kurzgesagt. Well, that'll teach me to assume stuff =/

[@stubborntortoise2564]

it's Kurzgesagt but really crap.

[@stubborntortoise2564]

it's the Kurzgesagt we have at home.

[@frogstamper]

This US channel was never going to upset their ten million subscribers by being truthful, they are far happier reassuring their audiences core beliefs.

[@elainejohnson6955]

When we see so many people misquoting others today during a time when we can easily fact check them, why would we think it didn't happen previously?

[@AyrtonTwigg]

I'm so happy and surprised to see this video!

[@GrrMania]

Commenting for the algorithm now but will watch later. Never been so early to a Paulogia video.

[@spike238]

It stands to reason, the more magical you can make story sound, the more attention it should garner,

[@charles3dart683]

If jesus resurrected then what was the sacrifice? His "death" was not a sacrifice.

[@mballa423]

You don't think being beaten, scourged, and crucified is a sacrifice?

[@randallbesch2424]

@@mballa423 while immortality beckons? No it would be just once.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

Let's goo paulogia!!

[@reeceguisse17]

26:23: I *still* think Paul was *never* a believer in Jesus. He was a Jewish fanatic, self-professed "Jew among Jews." It was his job to prevent the Way from infiltrating the Temple. And he did just that, by turning the movement outward and converting Gentiles. So much so that the other disciples had no choice but to invent ways to allow them in without converting first to Judaism.

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

This video should be required viewing for everyone who saw the Infographics Show.

[@HelloThere-xx1ct]

Thank you for this! I about started my own channel to respond to this insane video. Infographics committed a moral crime trying to present this video as a neutral presentation of evidence. So deceitful but I guess you can only expect so much from Christian morality.

[@spitfire184]

You must be forgetting, atheists aren't allowed to cite morality. ;-)

[@heisara]

@@spitfire184 why? Is morality suddenly not subjective? Since im taking that you're arguing "religion came up with this so people who do not believe in it can't use it" Okay then you're basically not allowed to use concepts of wheels and tools because religious people did not come up with them, it was our ancestors long before christianity was even a thing.

[@spitfire184]

@@heisara Issa joke mane. Theists often say we can't reference morality, apparently we're not allowed to have ethics without the supernatural. Your points are good ones none-the-less.

[@heisara]

@@spitfire184 OOH I APOLOGIZE! I thought you were one of the theists

[@spitfire184]

@@heisara That's cool, it wasn't very clear.

[@davidofoakland2363]

I get the distinct impression WLC had a hand in writing this Infographics video. Good take down, Paulogia, and please keep up the excellent work!

[@thakraken6995]

I'm so glad somebody covered this. I Like the infographics show but this one needed a response

[@Rjg19831]

This guys response was filled with errors. There needs to be a response to his response. I felt more uneducated after itn

[@thakraken6995]

@@Rjg19831 Whether you think this video has errors or not doesn't change that there is NOT conclusive evidence for Jesus resurrecting from the dead.

[@hatuletoh]

It's always amused me that christians construct lengthy, elaborate explanations for bible stories, particularly the resurrection. But ask them about the mythological tales of any other religion, and they are quite comfortable dismissing them with a sniff and a scoff that, "the writers of those tales lied." As long as it's the fantastical foundational story of some other religion, this is both self-evident, and a perfectly good reason to reject the story. No deep-dives and misrepresentations of psychology needed; no speculative probabilities; no social constructionist interpersonal communication theory. Clearly, some dude just doubled down on whacky lies he'd already told because he didn't want to look silly, and over the years the story fooled a whole bunch of people. And although not every part of the bible, not even the majority, can be explained away so simply, certainly the resurrection can be. It's on par with Muhammed's visit to heaven, Joseph Smith finding and translating golden plates which explained that Native Americans are actually Hebrews, or, well, anything L. Ron Hubbard wrote. Neither christians nor the bible can overcome even the first hurdle of proving that the resurrection story wasn't simply a tall-tale. The common christian counter to this argument is to challenge, "why would they lie?", but this is again answered by asking why any of the other founders of religions would, since all experienced persecution in the early days? The answer, as we know from the modern examples of Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard, is prestige and power within their small group of followers. Both those men were demonstrably egomaniacal and thrived on the adoration their followers gave them (in the case of Smith, even to the point of being willing to risk and then lose his life rather than lose face), and they both invented self-aggrandizing mythologies, which enhanced their positions as leaders. Again, this might or might not adequately explain the resurrection story, but if mainstream christians reject the claims of Mormonism because they believe its founding myths were fabricated, then logically, they ought to reject the new testament, and esp the resurrection, for the same reason.

[@pansepot1490]

Yup. Smith, Hubbard and other cult leaders all share certain unpleasant characteristics. Makes one wonder how the real Jesus was actually like.

[@mtersch]

don't lie please. we work our arses off just as much as you do (regarding your theory about Christians slacking). not sure we can prove that. OK, move along now. nothing to see here.

[@mtersch]

on an healtier note, we are aware of the difficulties that surround us, but instead of rolling over and giving up, it's quite an honor to persist in our account of our truth (as I am sure you do of yours) so let me evangelize and do apologetics from time to time. It's healthy. be respectful pls. God Bless.

[@JosephKano]

@@mtersch nup. I see no reason to give any collection of lies respect.

[@mtersch]

@@JosephKano sigh ditto then m'love. Either Jesus and apostles (witnesses) are lying or you are lying. Be WEll.

[@helenaconstantine]

Nice that the cartoon shows Tiberius ruling over a Rome with St. Peter's and the Victor Emmanuel Monument.

[@justinlaw9336]

THANK U for making this in response to the Infographics video!

[@ChadToney]

Did Matthew and Luke think Mark was “reliable” when they were making tons of changes to it?

[@marketingweb8772]

Interesting observation. If they thought it was reliable, the authors wouldn't had to make a new gospel.

[@ballshaver773]

I think they disliked how Mark painted some things, such as the way the disciples were largely depicted as idiots or cowards, especially Peter, so they changed those. Also they tended to appeal to certain audiences and more mythological elements got tacked in as they went. Apart from that, it seemed like Matthew and Luke really wanted Jesus to line up with Old Testament prophecies, so that led it changes too. Luke also seemed to want Jesus to be undoubtedly historically, which is why he took so much from Josephus. There’s a lot of reasons why they’d change things and that’s not even accounting for purely aesthetic changes.

[@ChadToney]

@@ballshaver773 so you agree with me that they changed it? You just listed possible reasons why. Ok.

[@dienekes4364]

22:25 _"Any belief in Jebus' ressurection due to hallucination could have been easily dispelled by Jewish authorities by simply checking the tomb"_ -- This is assuming there WAS a tomb, a fact that is not substantiated at all. And this is also assuming that the doubters were voicing these doubts to the Jewish authorities (the same ones who DIDN'T believe in Jebus or his ressurection) and also depends on both the Jewish authority AND the doubting person actually being in the vicinity of the supposed tomb (remember, this is at a time when travel was at the blistering pace of 10 miles a DAY, so nothing was a quick 15-minute car ride away).

[@137Trimethylpurine26dione]

Paul was a man who doubted christianity and then joined and now Paul is also a man who accepted christianity then doubted it

[@SonGoku-ro4qd]

I‘m here as a Christian and it’s really nice to see that nothing here refuted anything. GOD bless you all abundantly

[@veridicusmaximus6010]

Blind!

[@SonGoku-ro4qd]

@@veridicusmaximus6010 blind to what ?

[@veridicusmaximus6010]

@@SonGoku-ro4qd Blind the obvious fact that there are refutations.

[@mojejaje2073]

@@SonGoku-ro4qd ahahaha. I thought the same thing

[@Faithful_Servant]

Bro said “trust me bro” Thier a empty Tomb✝️🙏

[@VixJustTryingOK]

Oh thank you for this! That was killing me after watching it.

[@magicker8052]

Is it just me.. 90% of the comments on that video are identical? YOU ARE NOT ALONE As a Christian I’m impressed the respect from nonbelievers and this episode. Thanks everyone Nathan 475 I’m impressed at the respectfulness and introduction to both sides of the arguments in this video Jude Macarthur I’m impressed. Well researched, with the facts simply laid out without bias. Bravo Infographics Show

[@sarahkrupa7345]

I remember reading research last year regarding how it's impossible for us to come up with something that we have never seen before. All mythical creatures are just normal creatures rearranged, you can't think of a color that you can't see, and the most fascinating one, that every single person you see in your dreams is someone that you've already seen in real life. I had been trying to find a reason as to why everyone in my dreams recently were either people who are close to me or who were famous. Turns out, because of the pandemic, I wasn't getting enough exposure to random strangers on the streets , so my brain was like okay... I guess you're putting together an IKEA cabinet with Brendan Fraser, then.

[@Nocturnalux]

How can you know the people in your dreams are all people you never before? I often dream of people I have no recollection seeing nor can I recognize them as being combinations of people I have seen. Maybe they are but I see no way of knowing this.

[@luxetnox5603]

I enjoy the Infographic Show, yet this episode truly did need a well researched counter. Thank you for your efforts, you did an excellent job with reasoned and well stated arguments. I look forward to watching more of your videos.

[@ron88303]

To me, the resurrection isn't the most fantastical thing about the biblical Jesus. Rather, it's his ascension up to "heaven", supposedly witnessed by 500 people. One would think there would be more discussion about that.

[@jonaslantz3453]

500 people witnessed the risen Jesus in between his resurrection and him rising to heaven. The actual rise was only witnessed by the disciples.

[@ron88303]

@@jonaslantz3453 Thank you. But it simply shifts my point: For 500 people to have witnessed someone who rose from the dead, wouldn't there have been more of a record of it, or writings by one or more of the 500 as they 500 relayed their experience to others? Certainly there would have been some Jewish writings corroborating the story if many of those 500 likely were Jews.

[@jonaslantz3453]

Maybe, but most jews at the time didn’t know how to write, it being estimated that 90% of the jews living in Jerusalem at the time could only write their own name, with around 3% being assumed able to write anything longer than that. Additionally, claiming to follow Christ at the time was basically a ticket to prison or the afterlife, so most witnesses would have kept their story secret even if they were able to write. Was the 500 an over embellishment? That could also be the case. But even so, there are a lot of reasons a jew at the time wouldn’t have written down or talk openly about seeing the risen Christ. Documents could also have lost to time, since they wouldn’t have been mass produced like the gospels were. I ultimately don’t know, I can only speculate. But I do find it plausible that 500 people saw the risen Jesus and; 1. Couldn’t write 2. Was afraid of the consequences 3. Just believed who they saw wasn’t actually him, since even Thomas, one of Jesus own disciples, didn’t believe it was him until touching the hole in his hand. Hope this clarifies, thanks for challenging me and helping me grow!

[@LuxLunae-b1d]

Hey Paul, Can you respond to a channel named "Testify", he's recently making videos claiming to "debunk" your claims.

[@onyxtay7246]

I'm not sure about the idea that the Infographics Show is well researched or well scripted. They might pull off basic list videos, but they don't research complicated topics. Just look at their massive blunder with SCP a while back.

[@MegaeffinGarchomp17]

What blunder was that?

[@paulohagan3309]

@@MegaeffinGarchomp17 What is SCP?

[@TheArkman360]

​@@paulohagan3309 A community of stories about different monsters known as SCPs. They have they're own Wikipedia page.

[@wignallproperties3530]

As always, amazing work Paul!

[@TheMeritCoba]

The Infographics Show cranks out videos at a high rate and this is at the cost of diligent research. This specific episode is really cringy as it seems even go a step further, not just presenting a case, but advocating a specific viewpoint. It is good that channels such as Paulogia exist, but it feels like Sysyphus's job: by the time you made your well-researched response the channel has moved on to three other topics that require a response.

[@dansmith9859]

Theists constantly play the game of pretending that the fact a document exists means that what's in that document is fact.

[@ethanvailliencourt5298]

This channel is utterly repulsive, unreliable, preposterous, and biased. Would not recommend to even a chimp.

[@Akkhinus]

The Infographics Show has always been like this. Their videos are not "highly researched", they are mediocre at best and sometimes very strongly biased and inaccurate.

[@Steve-yn3cs]

Really?

[@ryboiyarti]

What kind of cult starts with a leader saying “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you?” or “I didn’t come to be served, but to serve”

[@__Andrew]

This reminds me of when another channel "History Buffs" let slide in a video that he thought the Massacre of the Innocents by Herod was a historically factual event. Religion can cause a lot of blind spots to even people who pride themselves on their knowledge of facts and history.