Why Does the RTX 5080 Suck?

[@ResonanceSD]

"The chart" is one of the best things I've ever seen used by a tech review youtuber. Perfect way to represent the gen on gen performance gains.

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

It's a great chart. Shows the dirty reality of how Nvidia is treating gamers. 5080 has half the compute of the 5090, when it should be 3/4. The 70 range used to be half.

[@Hennerbo]

A good addition would be the price/performance. Then the 4080 really fails.

[@stevedavis3828]

Jim did a similar chart many years ago on Adored TV, great to see the latest version.

[@FredSaidIt]

Jensen is high on AI euphoria. Fingers crossed the likes of DeepSeek and ASIC hardware ends the market nonsense and brings sanity back to the GPU market. Nvidia proved at CES they're not for gamers, and karma bout to bite their ah.

[@janklaassen6404]

The Hardware Unboxed frames/dollar chart is better. 4080 might have been 49% faster than 3080, which sounds good, while it cost 71% more. So it was actually bad.

[@vipersb1]

1080ti was $700 at launch and you could actually buy them for that price. How did we get here?

[@quirkelchomp]

I'm still rocking my 1080 Ti and every generation since has made me shake my head, saying, "I guess I'll upgrade next year." But next year comes and Nvidia shows their greedy hands. Capitalism has been real disappointing lately...

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

​@@quirkelchompI upgraded to a used GTX 1080Ti from a used AMD. I bought the AMD from a miner after the first crash, he had over 20 to sell :-) I passed the mining AMD onto someone I know and its still working. Miners tend to underclock if anything. The used GTX 10080Ti is so good! Plays all my games at 1080 without issue. And I bought used CPU RAM MOBO combo. There's people selling 12700k with 32GB RAM and top motherboards for 250 all together. Just uninstall the motherboard drivers, swap the CPU, RAM & MOBO, bootup and add motherboard drivers. Windows and all the software still works fine.

[@TheEnd]

@@quirkelchompyou missed the used 24gb RTX 3090s for $600. Insane value compared to my old 11gb 1080ti

[@ashtaris2965]

Easy answer: Greed

[@sasquatchcrew]

people who don't care about burning cash, yo

[@kuva07]

It's also telling that they lifted the review embargo only 24 hours before the 5080 hits the shelves, while the 5090 had ~week. Nvidia knows the 5080 is a dog and that reviewers would destroy it

[@David-yx3bd]

As opposed to... when's the last time you saw a KZbin review of a Nvidia product that recommended you buy it? They know the vast majority of reviewers are going to be negative no matter how much time they provide or don't provide. As the market leaders they set the prices, and KZbin is all about telling you what a fair price is, and so... yeah they are going to get crucified every single time.

[@OttuR_]

@@David-yx3bd I implore you read the graph at 7:10 and reconsider this comment. Yes they can set the prices cause they're leading but its also up to the consumer to determine whether that performance is worth the dollar. and they cant do that if the company doesn't allow enough time for reviews to be live and viewable before launch. this is an awful take brother, please stop defending the multi-trillion dollar company

[@xMaGuSx888]

It doesn't matter though. It will sell out anyway. Anybody with a 1080/2080/3080 will still benefit by upgrading to a 5080 with a reasonable price/performance increase after selling their old GPU. It's still a good buy for a lot of people and will still sell out regardless and NVIDIA knows this. It's just LESS appealing than it should be for MORE people. Like I am upgrading from a 4070 super and I should be getting more than a 50% increase with this upgrade. It should be $800 or $900 with 20gb of VRAM.

[@lyndongaming]

the 4090 embargo also lifted a day before release and it was a pretty beast uplift. so a day before embargo does not automatically mean the product sucks

[@Asterra2]

@@xMaGuSx888 That's what really guts me. The VRAM. There are games I own right now that I won't be able to comfortably mod as much as I like and still get 4K without hitting the ceiling. For 4K gaming, it's just DOA.

[@The_Wailing_Doom]

The XFX Speedster Merc 310 Radeon 7900 XTX dropped down to $850 at my local Micro Center. I just bought that. No regrets whatsoever.

[@mrhenrysson1715]

Im thinking of doing the same. Been waiting for 5080 for 2 years with my 3080. Nvidia will not be getting my money.

[@gmonkman]

yup. worth waiting for amd next gen thou? I anticipate gains in RT and upscaling while keeping costs highly competitive.

[@FredSaidIt]

@@gmonkman Yeah I'm buying a 9070xt at launch just to give Nvidia the middle finger.

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

I'm still waiting for AMD's new upscaling.

[@TehF0cus]

AMD has a lot to prove before I go red for GPUs.

[@grafittifractal]

Nvidia: "the more we make , the less you get"

[@RanjakarPatel]

same with paul hardware - he too lazy four make review these days. disgrace.

[@NecroViolator]

Its to keep the prices sky high !. Scam really !

[@Christosan88]

Capitalism

[@Mc-Derpulous]

And the higher the price creep

[@Mc-Derpulous]

@@RanjakarPatelsucks youre unemployed huh? Well i do not miss AoL.. so maybe you can make reviews?

[@railerswim]

Upgrading GPUs in the 2020’s has been truly demoralizing.

[@Zidbits]

Yup. Same thing happened with the 4060 Ti. Reviewers said it sucked, so people actually think the card sucked. But the card itself was great, just not at the MSRP when it came out.

[@fohhee]

With half of everything of 5090, RTX 5080 is RTX 5070 rename, Nvidia "Unlaunch" 80 card again, the "Real" 5080 will be rename as 5080 Ti/Super coming end of 2025 or early 2026.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

That's their plan, to fuck over consumers by releasing better versions of the crappy cards

[@danethorson]

Because of the 16GB VRAM, that seriously devalues it

[@coolhand4598]

Pathetic, best idea is not to give Nvidia money

[@JWooden271]

24GB VRAM for $1699

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

I predict 5080 super with 24gb of vram, 5070 super, 5070ti super

[@CobusGreyling]

With the amount of asterisks Nvidia gives us, we really don't owe them benefit of the doubt from the reviewers end. Please don't give them "10% uplift and that's being generous" - stop being generous. Give them a 2-10%* uplift, so new gamers can outright see what they're paying for.

[@adink6486]

Jensen: You forget to multi-frame gen 4x the FPS. Me: I'll give you $500 and you can frame gen the rest of the money.

[@16xthedetail76]

Yeah we've seen that joke everywhere

[@jasonhemphill8525]

@@16xthedetail76 That's pretty rich with a username like that.

[@wrmusic8736]

@@16xthedetail76 the only joke here is RTX50 and we are stuck with it for 2 years

[@afakkobyab5982]

@@16xthedetail76 speak for yourself. I read it from this comment first time.

[@mars_12345]

​@@wrmusic8736 I know it's not always possible, but don't buy Nvidia's products. Go Intel - I still hope they will introduce B7xx on par with 4070/S, go AMD - new lineup soon. Just skip Nvidia for two gens so they know they can't just raise the prices endlessly while lowering the quality (read: gen-to-gen gains). And if they deem it then as not viable to keep making GPUs due to more margins on AI shit, so be it. The only way I will "cry" after them is loss of competition. Other than that - good riddance!

[@PfhorsakenOne]

This is the best 5080 "review" I've seen. I much prefer this format to a bunch of game framerate graphs.

[@legendmir1]

Yes, this puts it in context which is really helpful.

[@Jarnis-v1c]

5080 is a mislabeled 5070. Historically a xx80 card was a somewhat cut down flagship chip and xx70 was the half-sized smaller chip. Now the xx80 is the half-sized smaller chip. And yes, it means 5070 is actually what should be labeled 5060 - the even smaller budget chip. They can do this because AMD has failed at competing.

[@pr0newbie]

There's a reason why there were no noticeable upgrades to the xx60 cards for a gen.

[@techonlystuff99-tw6cm]

I think AMD was surprised that Nvidia got away with charging xx80 series price to a xx70 series card, I believe that is why they delayed the launch. If the 9070xt performance is as fast as the 4080 super (5080) but the name is a xx70 class card, so AMD can't charge what they should for the performance. Even though it was going to be cheaper than a 4080/5080 am I making any sense or am I going a little crazy. 9070xt $750 for 4080/5080 performance, but it's a xx70 series card, so it would have to be cheaper than the Nvidia 5070 TI. AMD might have to price it at $499/$550 even though its performance is a 4080/5080. Don't know what AMD margins are the die size is a bit bigger than the 7800xt, AMD should just sell it at $500 and take market share, but I don't know what AIB partners would make a profit. Or I have been up for 28 hours and need sleep, I really miss the days of my 1080ti.😱

[@alexandrestall3445]

No...Nvidia did this because consumers accepted and accept the name change. The lack of competition only made the problem worse. If we consumers didn't buy these rebranded cards at the absurd price they were released for, this wouldn't be happening again.

[@andersjjensen]

And AMD has failed at competing because people expect a 50% discount which is unrealistic considering TSMCs wafer prices. You deserve what you tolerate. And you tolerated Nvidia's practices. So you deserve them.

[@Diopside.]

Absolutely agree.

[@VcSaJen]

You also need to talk about AMD, how it intentionally set the prices the basically same as NVidia, with only token discount, exaggerating the problem of overinflated GPU prices. How long NVidia and AMD can they continue with their greed until no gamer could afford a GPU? Developers target average gamer for a reason, so gaming industry in general will suffer.

[@nodatesape9124]

The cards sell. They clearly have a market and demand for them. Why should AMD hamstring themselves when they're already a severe underdog here? You're asking AMD to basically cut their profits in half, just to make nVidia lose money... but nVidia doesn't make its money from us. It makes its money from data centres. If you want AMD to compete, you need them to make as much money as possible to fund hardcore RnD for both hardware and software upgrades, and pray they find a "great leap forward" tech upgrade like they managed with Ryzen on Intel. But don't kid yourself. Prices aren't coming back down ever again. Between inflation, demand, scalpers (fake demand), sheer input cost, and the oligopoly this pair of companies have over consumer GPU, there's no way prices will stop rising.

[@maharaja101]

That's why their GPU market share is down to 10%. They somehow managed to take none of the lessons from Ryzen's success.

[@helzapoppin9810]

Nothing made me happier this week than seeing NGreedia's stock fall 17%. Remember when the 50 series Blackwell architecture was supposed to be this monumental game-changing leap in technology? Newp.

[@RiderOfKarma]

Shoulda dropped the second Jensen started using a giant chip like a shield; stopping his presentation goofing around like a ten year old and waiting awkwardly for pity laughs. Unserious 🤡💩

[@Kinzass]

And it will comeback lol XD.

[@andersjjensen]

The reason it dropped is because of an AI related development that has made people think we may be near the end of the AI hype cycle.... That said, Blackwell does deliver on AI performance. Which is exactly why it doesn't deliver on gaming performance.

[@jshowao]

​​​@@andersjjensen If it delivered on AI performance, why did some no name startup beat it with much less hardware? AI has long reached a diminishing return when compared to advancement. Now it's just a matter of making it cheap. There's no Moore's law scaling where all you need to do is throw more chips at it. Effectively, the name of the game now is just to train LLMs on previously released LLMs by prompting them over and over. Now you have a new LLM that is just as good at 90% less cost. And nobody wants fake frame generation bugging out your game which is what DLSS does.

[@andersjjensen]

@@jshowao It delivers on AI in terms of performance per watt. All the cloud based IA crap uses a lot of electricity. Which is expensive. Which means they make more money if they switch to Blackwell. Nvidia doesn't care if they run ChatGPT, Llama or this new one I can't remember the name of. As long as they run it on Nvidia hardware. It is not AI training that is making Nvidia a lot of money. It's AI inferencing.

[@vulcan4d]

Should be called the 5060ti.

[@jeffbergstrom]

Nvidia seriously needs competition in the gaming card market.

[@shanemshort]

it doesn't matter, even when AMD's had decently comparable cards no-one buys them.

[@AimRobot]

They have been trying to make it impossible to compete with them. First attempt was PhysX, now they call it Ray Tracing, lock game features behind GPU brand, in hopes gamers would choose the feature over speed. Thankfully both attempts were at high cost and too hardware demanding. We can also hope that U.S stop insider trading, so Nvidia stops getting government contracts by making a few politicians money.

[@Sly_404]

There is no incentive to compete. Which is the reason why AMD doesn’t either anymore. You can sell chips at higher margins to AI and data center solutions. Gaming is an afterthought and they will try to cut down on silicone used but use software features to create the generational „gains“. Sucks but that’s what’s happening.

[@Redonepunch]

@@shanemshortDLSS matters and hopefully AMD will have a better version of FSR that can actually compete with the upscaling.

[@ev.c6]

Not easy. They have a leap.

[@karambiatos]

I hate that not a single reviewer mentions that the prices aren't going to be even close to MSRP when they hit stores. the 2k card isn't going to even be 2k dollars.

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

Everybody knows, but you can't make charts with future fantasy prices.

[@ytc6227]

Stop buying bad value GPUs!!! PC builders don't put the money where they mouths are. Too many of us complain and pay Nvidia anyway.

[@aersla1731]

It's not really us though or at least not most of us, it's mainly crypto bros, ai bros, scalpers, and pc companies but I assume they have contracts with nvidia.

[@modernmuscle9119]

If your remotely into competitive gaming where money matters, you really don't have any other option but to pay to participate. Not doing so can cost you in a big way. So, what the alternative that performs this well throwing price per dollar and all those metrics out the window?

[@jakefalcons]

​@modernmuscle9119 Amd performs just fine. I haven't had any issues with my 7900xtx anywsys.

[@VcSaJen]

The only GPU with not-completely-bad value is the Intel one. Both AMD and NVidia suck value-wise.

[@kevinerbs2778]

​@VcSaJen except they out of stock and ones instock for intel cards are not reasonably priced.

[@tototakto4611]

And thats why im ordering a 7900 xtx today

[@mike1691]

better be quick to ppl catch on and see the scalper prices

[@Banzai431]

No bad GPU's. Just ridiculously overpriced ones.

[@dilutedoxygen]

He literally says that 30 seconds into the video

[@junyaiwase]

@@dilutedoxygenhe probably typed that in response to the title

[@Root_boy]

Can't blame Nvidia, this is on AMD for giving up the high end. I'm guessing Jensen is pretty thankful to his cousin for removing AMD from competition

[@SulphuricFury]

@@Root_boy Correct, no matter what Nvidia does, you cannot criticize them, lube up and take a 5070 in the rear with 4090 perf.

[@smartgorilla]

virtual vram testing

[@user-qw9xr9gj6x]

$1000 still feels way too much for a GPU, especially considering that for years we've mostly seen Cyberpunk benchmarks instead of truly exciting new developments in graphics hardware. Where’s the real innovation?

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

^ This.

[@berengerchristy6256]

Back in the day we say years of crysis benchmarks. Some devs go out of their way to make a game with some settings requiring nonexistent future hardware to run

[@jordanmntungwa3311]

4:25am. I woke up because the dog wouldn't stop barking and it turns out it was a stray cat just sleeping outside. Now I'm finding out if the 5080 sucks or not. lol

[@DelScully]

in short, it does

[@elchancho8432]

It does

[@junyaiwase]

You should let kitty inside

[@MisterMayhem17]

Good morning

[@iriby]

Take the kitty inside

[@CosmicCrow-m6g]

If Nvidia renamed and lowered prices, I bet these GPU's would have good reviews. For example, they could give each card a 30+ % better $/perf by: Changing the 5080 to a 5070 Ti for $799 USD (35% faster than 4070 Ti Super for the same price) Changing the 5070 Ti to a 5070 for $599 USD (30% faster than 4070 Super for the same price) Changing the 5070 to a 5060 Ti for $449 USD (50% faster than 4060 Ti for 12.5% more)

[@Russo-Delenda-Est]

This. This would have made everybody happy. Also, call the 5090 the 5080 and charge a grand for it, since it's only maybe 25% better than a 4090.

[@CosmicCrow-m6g]

@@Russo-Delenda-Est To be fair, the 5090 is 50% faster, so I'd probably rename it the 5080 Ti and charge $1199 USD. then it would have equal $/perf to the 5070 Ti at $799 USD. The 5080 could be a cut down GB202 die with ~16k cuda cores at $999 USD with 24GB of VRAM with +30% perf and +30% VRAM compared to the actual 5080, and about 14% faster than the 4090.

[@erikhalvorseth3950]

The original NVIDIA crew would prolly think along such lines. But $ corrupts. Now the company are dominated by greedy stockholders that will milk their cow as much as possible. As with most successful tech companies

[@DavidGotelli710]

Lol the 5090 would be a steal if it was $900

[@mromutt]

haha I think you just caught onto what they did XD they started this shift up in naming last gen and they are hoping we just forget about them trying to screw us over and gaslight us. Its literally raise the prices and give us less.

[@bartdebruijn4599]

Increasing shareholder value while screwing over your customers .... standard behaviour for large corporations.

[@imsolost7886]

The 5070ti is going to be close to it in enough ways and you save $250. The 5080 being cut so far down from the 5090, really showed consumers that Nvidia doesn’t give a damn about them. Especially with no competition from AMD.

[@12P14D22C]

i dont care about nvidia, they offer a product, i check performance to price performance and either buy it or not. i dont give a shit if nvidia cares about me :D that being said, was hyped for the cooler for the 5080, hoped it would be the same as the 5090 cooler but its not, 200gramm less and they dont put liquid metal on it. :( i even wouldve been okay with the 5-10% more performance over the 4080super with the better cooler, i think its nicely engineered, which is something i tend to enjoy more then anything else these days.

[@imsolost7886]

@ that was yet another missed opportunity for Nvidia. Could’ve had the 5080 run significantly cooler or maybe upped the power limits some to push the performance a bit higher and still dropped temps. The vast chasm between 5090/5080 just isn’t good. Not beating the prior generation flagship with the 80 series is breaking from tradition too. Also the 5070ti is so close to the 5080, idk how they offer a super lineup refresh without the 5070ti super being better than the 5080. The 5080 super would need to be a jump as well to really draw people in. This whole generation is just crap unless you want to drop 5090 money.

[@Mr_Mcgee_]

Good luck finding one for $750. Only cards at MSRP are the founders cards, which looks like they are not only going to be cheaper but way out perform the partner cards. My guess is 5070 ti partner cards will cost anywhere from $850-$950, especially since 5080 partner cards are ranging from $1150-$1400. I was planing to get a 5070 ti, but for an extra $100 I rather just get the 5080 FE at that point.

[@Narwhaul]

@@Mr_Mcgee_ there are 5080 partner cards at msrp atleast on Best Buy right now

[@Mewsashi-cz9fo]

if you see these for what they actually are, rtx 4000 2nd refresh, or rtx 4x super super, it makes sense, there is absolutely no change in the architecture.

[@EMee-i8q]

The fact that they waited till the day before means Nvidia knew and hid it until hopefully too late for the buyer to figure it out.

[@David-yx3bd]

Think about it dude. Every review for coming up on a decade has said meh, don't buy this. They aren't afraid of reviews, I'm not even entirely sure why they still push out samples to reviewers since they know what it'll be before they even start. I play bingo with em. LTT let me down on the 5090 cause they didn't rant, but otherwise I'm doing amazingly well.

[@futuza]

@@David-yx3bd Not true? Most reviews praised the 3080, at least until it went out of stock due to crypto mining.

[@quirkelchomp]

@@futuza Bro is just out here gonad gobbling Nvidia for no reason. He disregards the fact that there are plenty of reviewers praising some of Nvidia's cards. Like you said, the 3080 got good reviews. And so did the 4090. Rave reviews. But bro got his hands over his eyes just so he can defend Nvidia some more.

[@elrickthebrave]

Simple answer… it is a 5070 class GPU disguised as something higher. The lechery of Nvidia knows no bounds

[@fuzzywinkle8310]

the 5090 has 5080 performance

[@elrickthebrave]

@@fuzzywinkle8310 Don’t get me started with frames.

[@alexandrestall3445]

The DEEPSEEK has been proving it... And the most important question, Does the USA really need to invest US$500 billion in AI?

[@Mewsashi-cz9fo]

it's not it's just a 2nd refresh of the rtx 4000 gpu line, it does not change at all in efficiency, their claims about a shrink node is very very questionnable when the efficiency is sometimes not just the same it's even worse because they pulled an intel and pushed more power into the same package. There is a lot of lies surrounding that gpu fake generation. and one of them include the tying of multi framegen to the naming scheme of rtx 5000 gpus when they are similar to rtx 4000.

[@w04h]

I'm pretty sure that xx80 series has always been marketed as the flagship series, it was announced as such in the 30 series announcement and 90 series was just a class of it's own, GTX 690 was 1000$ in 2013 and took two generations to dethrone, same stuff. 3090 was an exception, it was literally the only 90 series gpu EVER sharing the same die as 80 series (not counting SLI 90 series cards because that's obviously two dies). Actually, if you take MSRP into consideration, 5080 is the best Nvidia's performance per dollar card on the market right now... as per Digital Foundry which actually did that comparison.

[@RealMTBAddict]

Its own

[@CompatibilityMadness]

It's best, because NV doesn't sell anything other than it (high end Ada was discontinued, what's left is on shelves). Also, you will not buy 5080 - because MSRP is a fictional number at the moment (unless direct NV sell), and will be for at least next 3 months (or more).

[@GregM]

The 5090 here in Canada is showing up on one Canadian retailer as $3200+ for the non FE. Of course no stock yet and is before 12% sales taxes. Sorry but that is 2 months of rent and food for a couple of weeks for some.

[@Darkhorse1239xf]

Bro where are you getting those numbers? I’m Canadian and haven’t seen it go past 2.2k

[@Darkhorse1239xf]

Oh 5090, my bad

[@GiovanniGiorgio2024]

Well in Australia we only have AIB cards, and prices will be between 4500-5500 Australian rupees. That is for 5090

[@kevo300]

And guess what? Almost all retailers other than best buy have no stock. Some places havent even recieved 5090s yet!

[@A_Dirrty_Bird]

Well at least you've got cheap rent? A 1 bedroom in Boston is typically over $3k usd

[@henriahonen6496]

I'm really glad I bought the rtx4090 immediately upon release 2.5 years ago... Prices here in Finland: RTX5090: €3399.90 ($3547.27) RTX5080: €1799.90 ($1878.02) No sense...

[@inarisk]

Where did you get those prices? In the biggest online store in Finland they are: RTX 5090: €2455,90 - 3199,99 RTX 5080: €1229,90 - 1689,99

[@IHazPeppers]

7900xtx has never looked so appealing.

[@mannotwiththeplan]

I didn't buy the 7900XTX when the 4080 Super was available, and I won't buy it now that 5080 is available at 10% faster -- with all 3 basically at the same price as 3 months ago.

[@chaparritomarston1292]

7900xtx is a beast

[@elgamerbot99]

Sorry but the only two things that the 7900xtx is better vs the 5080 is in therms of VRAM and Energy Efficiency cause in any other therms the 5080 wins

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

It actually beats the 5080 if a few titles lol

[@OG_Gamers_Live]

last card I got was the 7900XT in July of 2024 And so far there's nothing in the 50 series I'd even consider.

[@alanliang9538]

“there are no bad gpu”. 3050 there you go

[@tonyd7164]

And people are camping out in the cold right now to buy this turd?

[@clw22580]

Fools be fooled EASILY in 2025

[@289CHJL]

most of them are camping out for 5090. we all knew 5080 would be a mediocre turd based on leaked spec. just buy 5070ti instead. similar spec, cost $200 or so less...

[@LightPillar]

@@289CHJL meanwhile 9 micro centers have 10 rtx 5090 each, 6 have 5 5090s each, 9 have 4 each, and 3 have 0 90s. Combined the Micro Center stores have around 230ish 5090s.

[@Barrberrr]

@@289CHJL which sucks because its reported microcenter only has like 250 cards nationwide and Best Buy will probably have similar since they have Online-Only hardons

[@Scipio-xr2tz]

@@289CHJL Or wait for the AMD launch

[@okp247]

I can't believe how big a dud Blackwell is. What the hell were team green doing for the past couple of years?

[@berengerchristy6256]

Waiting for TSMC to have a better process node. Hopefully in 2028 there will be a sufficiently better one so I can pretend I’ll be able to get a $2600 6090 on launch

[@samoh4u]

1:41 lmao careful with that drill we ain't building a Ikea table

[@chillnspace777]

😂

[@13lobos]

haha this is the exact comment I was looking for!

[@zodwraith5745]

lol, I use a drill on my radiator and fans but I'm smart enough to put it on a low torque setting. 12 of those fine thread screws takes too long to drive in while I'm trying to hold everything in place.

[@Guillemod]

The intro is 🔥 well said.

[@flansburgh1100]

I'm so glad I just took a chance on a 4080 super instead of waiting. Pretty much the same performance and I didn't have to wait nearly 5 months.

[@mitchmccracken3050]

Yeah you got pretty lucky

[@KaveManZA]

Overhyped, Overrated, Overpriced Graphics Cards packed with Gimmick Features that are not designed for gaming.

[@Josh_728]

Alas, my 980Ti has to put in another year of work. She's old, she's tired, she's great.

[@byronhorde5892]

That's what my rig is still rocking, too. It's still serving me well, after all these years. :-)

[@jabroni6199]

@@Josh_728 lol

[@mitchmccracken3050]

samesies

[@MrTed919]

My 980 is on it last leg😢

[@ROSSNEWHAM]

The only recent game I struggled either was stalker 2. Went back to modded stalker which looks nearly as good and just runs better. I’m joy incentivised to upgrade

[@JumboCod91]

The problem in the new line up is extreme performance being squeezed solely in the 5090, and all the other cards being relegated to "good enough" but with a premium price tag. Nvidia is clearly squeezing customers, voluntarily making their mid/high range unappealing, in the hopes of garnering more 5090 sales. The limits in their vram is just criminal at this point.

[@cobra2994]

5080 should be 800 bucks it doesn’t even beat last gen flagship gpu which is the first time this has ever happened even from the beginning all 80 cards would beat the last flagship gpu

[@donkeymoo1581]

It's already down 200 dollars from the 4080 $1200 msrp. Be happy with such a big cut and get a job instead of begging for more hand outs lol

[@ChrisErwood]

​@@donkeymoo1581That's an aggressively stupid take. Why would you compare against the 4080 rather than the $200 cheaper 4080 super (which the 5080 barely outperforms)

[@rekonzuken1]

​@@ChrisErwoodthe keyword there is stupid

[@arizona_anime_fan]

it will never seen the shelves at 1000, considering the 4090 is selling for 2500-3500 currently, and the 5090 isn't available for any money world wide, i guarantee the 5080 won't be seen for any less then 2k in the wild. it might not even be had for 3000

[@BlazeBluetm35]

​@@arizona_anime_fan nobody will buy the 5080 for 2000, that' ridiculous.

[@franktothemax]

The wow reference not only put shit into perspective for me, but I also relived the pain and the excitement of that moment. Very well said, my friend.

[@Tech-Tempest]

I really loved this overlooking perspective and doing something different than the other channels.

[@poeticsilence047]

I agree 🍻

[@David-yx3bd]

I don't mind it, cause I don't really care about the charts as base rasterization doesn't mean much to me. I haven't played a game natively since 30 series and once you start adding in upscaling/frame gen performance doesn't scale to benchmarks. But realistically all he did was cut the charts and expand the rant portion.

[@CoryMT]

Really nice and short look back at generational performance vs price. The only other thing I would have liked to see would be pure rasterization dollar per fps (or fps per dollar?). Thank you!

[@Vartazian360]

It woul;d also be great to add the percentage of full chip of each x80 card. The 5080 is only 50% of the full die, when traditionally the x80 card is 60-80%. So they are charging more for less.

[@ezg8448]

Nvidia doesn't care about the GPU prices, especially when they can put the same chip into an A.I. accelerator card and charge 20X the price. They probably think they're giving gamers a great deal!

[@sojirou]

Lack of competition at the high end has led to bad prices and low performance uplift each generation because there’s no incentive when competing with yourself.

[@DahakaCL]

You can still get a 7900 XTX with a better overall performance per dollar :)

[@shernandez31]

@@DahakaCL its more or less the same performance per dollar though, 10% cheaper for 8% less performance you may find some deals though

[@Jmespo83]

@@shernandez31is this in comparison to the 5080 or the 40 series cards? Part of the frustration for me is the fact that you can’t find a 4080 firsthand anywhere. I’m not sure what the msrp for the AIB cards are, but seeing that it’s twice as much as what I can get a 7900 xtx for is quite annoying.

[@Sly_404]

@@Jmespo83They ended the 40 card production in Q4 last year to make sure your only option is 50 series or second hand.

[@L4tinoR4g3]

It sucks because Nvidia pulled off their scam with a lesser 80 class card this time. Last gen they failed and had to unlaunch their card after a lot of backlash.

[@techonlystuff99-tw6cm]

You nailed it, that's why I believe AMD cancelled their GPU launch.

[@joeykeilholz925]

And then 4080 failed and they dropped price on 4080 super. Meanwhile the 3080 I bought was $699 msrp.

[@weridpanthegeek]

This was really well produced. Thank you!

[@ItzSath]

and that is why i wanted to go team red for the first time BUT they do not have a "high end" this generation.

[@David-yx3bd]

Then buy the 7900XTX, still plenty of them out there (AMD did the same thing Nvidia did with the 4080 and overstocked at launch cause they were basing it on pandemic buying numbers). Wait to see how the 9070 and 9070XT compare to their last gen counterparts, then add that performance difference to the 7900XTX and my guess is the 7900XTX is still a good buy if that's what you want. It's possible AMD might have found a way around the limitations of being on the same node, but most likely their offerings this year will mirror Nvidia's pretty closely.

[@ItzSath]

@ I don’t want last generation, since I already have a 3080ti

[@coin777]

Because it's a 5070 with a name and price of 5080

[@countelmer]

Well spat, Paul. Jensen was looking at that performance-to-value generational increase gap on your chart and pulled the old Bilbo Baggins "After all, why shouldn't I keep it?"

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

Tricksy hobbitses!

[@kevinpascual]

When a company tells its own customers to piss off…

[@alrecks619]

THE MORE YOU BUY THE MORE I SAVE - Jensen Huang, most definitely

[@mr.sauvage330]

As a 3000series owner, I refuse to upgrade to the flagship 5000series for exactly that reason. Trying to extract the maximum profit while providing the minimum viable product. F that.

[@ronstewtsaw]

Paul, you are the only guy who benchmarks MS Flight Simulator regularly. It's a game/sim that reacts differently than almost any other game to CPU and GPU across the resolutions. I miss those benchmarks on the 5090 & 5090, since it is the only game I play.

[@jabroni6199]

Reacts differently because of its written by incompetent devs

[@ronstewtsaw]

@@jabroni6199 Yeah. Or Microsoft forced Asobo to push out a half-baked product. But either way, I still would like to see benchmarks. Although now I see that Techtesters has good info.

[@CasualFlyer2000]

Just take any 4090 review on flight sim and add 25%. On FS2020 you only get that if you're running the 9800x3d because it's so CPU-bound. FS2024 should scale much better, so you get the 25% on any high-end CPU (which you need anyway for that class of GPU).

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

Anything is going to react differently than "any other game" when its optimization is absolute horseshit.

[@TheArcticFoxxo]

@@CasualFlyer2000 an 8 core on MSFS...? You're joking, right?

[@emredeniz2]

Back in 2016, i have upgraded from GTX 970 to 1080 ti and used that card until the last year. Bought a 4070 ti super nine months ago and i have no intention to change it for the next five years. We all see how those triple or quadriple 'A' games flopping one after another and i believe that such a beefy new generation GPU will only be needed to play a majestic new released title with super ultra high quality settings which i can live without. Indie games do not require an RTX 5080. Play indie games, that's where the love is.

[@Fearfulodds]

What I find weird is how all the 4080's and 4090's just vanished everywhere. So I'm forced to buy the new card if I'm trying to build now.

[@steelscooter]

nVidia stopped making them quite a bit before the new launch on purpose. I hate nVidia now and I used to be a fan.

[@jwest88]

Ever since I watched Adoredtvs videos about Nvidia and Intel I haven't wanted to support either. Unfortunately AMD's GPU division is making it hard to go that route too. I have a gtx 1080 that's the bottleneck in my build and wasn't expecting to have to wait until March for rdna 4. That or used 4000 series (buying used I'm at least not directly supporting Nvidia, and it's be a bit cheaper than new). Really hate what Nvidia is trying to do to the gpu market. 7 class cards labeled as 8 class and high prices. Then there's the fake frames and claims of 5070 being better than a 4090. Most of us enthusiasts see right through that but not everyone will. ​@@steelscooter

[@David-yx3bd]

Part of it is supply manipulation, because honestly why compete with your own products if you don't have to? You just stop producing and let them sell out. But also the 40 series cards were better sellers than KZbin would lead you to believe. I was curious so was watching Amazon over the holidays. By just what they list (1000+ bought in past month etc.) for November/December I'd estimate least 500k probably closer to a million 40 series cards (mostly in prebuilts mind you) went out the door. Mostly it was 4060/4060TI/4070s but there were probably about 50-100k of them being the 70Ti and 80s.

[@Longlius]

Production of the 4090 stopped last summer and the 4080 Super and 4070 Ti Super both ended production last fall.

[@transformerstuff7029]

@@steelscooter lessons learned my guy, don't be a fan of big corporations they don't care about you. Do market research for the product you want to buy everytime you buy a new product, why be loyal to a brand that wouldn't be loyal to you. That said, Nvidia still makes very good cards.......just overpriced imo.

[@videshpa]

the generation comparison chart was a real eye-opener.. thanks for that

[@benjaminlynch9958]

Paul, that chart you show at 4:00, can you do a version of that with die size included? It used to be the 80 series was made on the top die, sometimes with some cores disabled (full fat version would be the TI or the 90 series). And then the next die down the stack would be much smaller and used for the 70 and 60 series. But right now the 5080 is made on a tiny die that is less than 1/2 the size of what the 5090 brings to the table. In previous generations this would be the die that would have given us the 5070 and even the 5060, but instead we’re being told this is high end 4K gaming, and they want $1,000 for this micro (and I mean micro) chip. This chip is smaller than a 3060ti (which retailed at an overpriced $399) yet the price has gone up by 250%! Meanwhile nVidia’s gross profit margins, as a percentage of sales are pushing toward 80% - meaning they’re making $1,000 revenue, and $800 gross profit, on every $200 of unit cost. Gamers are getting ripped off. Plain and simple.

[@jurgengalke8127]

Here's a titbit , the tsmc 4n is also used by intel and the dies size of a b580 is roughly that of a 4070, now intel can sell theirs for $250 but Ngreedia sells theres for $550, It does not cost Nv more to make (economies of scale) as for features they both have the same dlss/xess, FG and RT etc which is probably costing intel more to develop as they havent got as much research under their belt.

[@jakkp4376]

I see the issue here is this card came out one year after last gen as opposed to 2 years for every other gen. The problem here is the naming issue. It should be called a 4080ti and 4090ti

[@fuchnorris6277]

Still using a 2080ti with a i5 12600 in the kids computer and it still very usable. It actually had 12gb of memory so it stays very usable even now. Games play at least as good on it than on their Xbox or ps5 imo. To bad it marks the end of an era

[@ImperialDiecast]

The fact that they got away with the 4080 Super launch which was the worst upgrade over the base version since...ever, was probably what made them think hey we could even get away by doing this to the 5080, with its only selling point being multgen not available on the 4080 and 4080S. Honestly, I think the 4070ti Super remains the best value card on the market right now, as it is a sub 1000 dollar card while also being the cheapest nvidia card with 16GB vram, and with todays games vram is a bigger issue than framerate.

[@theRealAD1010]

NVIDIA didn’t learn and they have proven without a doubt that they don’t care about gamers. What they do care about is developing more “tech” so they can sell the majority of real hardware to businesses.

[@DavidGotelli710]

The money is in the data center not gaming

[@MikeChris2]

Game devs are helping push the cycle of gpu upgrades. Their inability to optimize game engines forces us to upgrade just to keep the status quo. For example: My pc has an AMD 5600xt. I played FF7: Remake on the highest available settings. However FF7: Rebirth won't even launch. I'd have to spend $300+ just to launch a game that, though beautiful, isn't that much better graphically than its predecessor.

[@tpolarbeart]

As I get older and see how bad the GPU market is getting I don't think I'll ever build another computer. I'm just going to be sticking with hand held PCs.

[@mromutt]

whats sad is the way the gpu market is, it makes buying a mac mini look like a great gaming value.

[@lateralus6512]

Just build a used system from parts a few generations old. It’s way better value for money and fun at the same time. You don’t need the latest and greatest.

[@thekingofsas9407]

I'm starting to hear this sentiment more and more, and I totally get it.

[@luism8130]

It’s called inflation. What do you think the next handheld pc will cost? Everyone wants the latest and greatest but want it to be priced like if we live in 1999. The new switch will most likely cost $500, ps5 pro cost $700. Handheld pcs have never been cheap but they are using old tech, when the new chips come out guess what? They will be expensive. All of this bitching about prices from the general public just speaks to the lack of education about economics. For example a Super Nintendo would cost $450 if it came out today just due to inflation alone. This isn’t even considering all of the other factors we have nowadays such as higher costs of silicon.

[@tpolarbeart]

@luism8130 I think you missed the point of Paul's video. Inflation isn't the issue. They usually increase the price every generation to keep up with inflation and higher profits. The problem is that you no longer get the boost in performance over the previous generation. My steamdeck was $400 I expect the new one to be $500-600 but I also expect a huge performance boost and or other benefits for that increase in price. I can easily afford the $2k 5090 but I'm choosing to vote with my wallet. That's a personal choice that everyone gets to make with their own money.

[@Gavrev]

As an owner (still) of a GTX 1070 I remember the comments and feelings (including my own) surrounding the price point of the 20 series, and that was pretty much the end point as I recall. When I pulled the trigger on the 1070 pricing was a little askew with the card being a "whole" £30-40 more than expected price.. some creep had already come into it, though I wasn't too upset because I landed the £229 RRP Ryzen 1600 for £136 which in my mind offset things GPU wise quite nicely. I can't think any such offset can ever be grand enough to manage that now.

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

When the 20 series came out, I saw people saying: "I'm just going to wait for the 30 series, hopefully the pricing is better" When the 30 series came out, I saw people saying: "I'm just going to wait for the 40 series, COVID/crypto price gouging has made it impossible to justify a purchase" When the 40 series came out, I saw people saying: "I'm just going to wait for the 50 series, I pray THIS time they will deliver a large performance increase for a reasonable price" Now that the 50 series is here, I see people saying: "I'm just going to wait for the 60 series, THIS TIME they will finally get back on track and I will upgrade" When are we going to learn? The glory days of the 10 series are long past, AI and crypto mining are the main customers for GPU's now, reasonable NVIDIA is dead.

[@TheFallenAngel13524]

idk, i learned to stop buying new from them like 7 years ago. It's probably getting to the point where they have to inflate their prices this bad to make their profits seem good for lower sales. They had to halt 40 series production pretty early to dry up most of the stock.

[@SM121982]

Crypto mining with GPUs hasn't been profitable since before Ethereum switched to proof-of-stake in September of 2022.

[@berengerchristy6256]

I genuinely think it’s actual teenagers screeching into the void about expensive things being expensive. Long gone are the days of new process nodes every year. There’s been lots of evidence that node shrinks are getting more and more difficult. That means they get more expensive. Covid messed up supply chains forever. The US and China are in a trade war. NVIDIA has realized they can sell their top tier chips to enterprise customers for comical sums of money instead of to whiny terminally online commenters Meanwhile amd still cannot compete. At least this go round they actually admitted it. The times have changed and it sucks for gaming enthusiasts

[@ion1984]

THANK YOU for itemizing it meticulously. lots of reviewers talk about these concepts, almost in passing, like people already know the history of gen to gen performance and value changes... but a lot of us don't. I didn't know how bad it was, and this is VERY telling. More informative than videos that just throw way more numbers at you, without as much explanation and context. (if you have a 5080 to offload I can pay and give it a good home HMU yo)

[@greendro6410]

If you're thinking about getting an RTX 5080 and already have a RTX 4080 Super just stick with that no point of wasting your money on that.

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

Exactly. That's the boat I'm in, 4080 Super and a 9800X3D. I was actually thinking the 50 series was going to be a huge uplift like the 40 series was, I had no idea it was going to end up such a disappointment like this. I'm kind of relieved though, now I know I'm not leaving any performance on the table by sticking with my trusty 4080 Super instead of dropping another $1k.

[@donkeymoo1581]

Literally been the case for any gen on gen upgrade from any brand for the past 6 years but good comment I guess? It has never been "worth" to upgrade every generation and never will be. That's why the vast majority upgrade every other generation 20-40, 30-50. It's only because ipad parenting kids have been brought up watching millionaire streamers and youtubers buy a new pc every 12 seconds that they think gen on gen upgrades are relevant at all.

[@David-yx3bd]

Absolutely, this gen isn't for 40 series owners, this is just filling out the product stack for those at the older levels looking to upgrade and to get MFG into the wild.

[@OldManRising]

use lossless scaling to simulate 4x multi frame generation, lol there saved ya 1200

[@95turboteggy65]

100%

[@SummerYeti]

Paul, what do you think... will these gpus start getting manufactured here in the states soon and when they do what type of price dip could we hope for?

[@emma6648]

I wanted to get the 5080 since I was planning on getting the 4080 super but now all these videos are hurting my decision 💀 I can’t stand my 3060 anymore In case anyone is wondering I got a 9800x3d paired with this thing so that’s why I wanted something more powerful

[@Fearfulodds]

Just get it, you won't find the 4080 Super anywhere for less than the 5080.

[@dandondon]

That is a good upgrade honestly.

[@BoiledTea]

if you can get the founders edition, it'll be worth it. anything higher isnt that great but there is an OC version at 1,199$

[@cristianbradeanu2016]

Yess sir 5080 don't worry...with 11% more performance

[@huehue-kk2zj]

5070 come to the rescue... Its as fast as 4090! 😆

[@gh0stcat387]

The fact Ngreedia didn't include atleast 20gb of vram on the 5080 is proof their strategy going forward is continued planned obsolescence. They have zero interest in moving the bar. Frame Gen is bad tech and makes games look and feel worse not to mention it takes more VRAM which they refuse to sell you. The gaming industry needs a rude awakening.

[@BrockEmSockEm]

8:15 Wow, rich people being scummy. Just like inflation and housing prices with minimum wage staying the same.

[@nelsonmejiaslozada9362]

5:39 You did this chart for the 4090 too? Any other content creator did it? It Is very good information.

[@DJH316007]

I think it's more of setting the expectation so high. If a 5070 > 4090 then 5080 should be way better. I think all the companies should have just said this isn't going to a big performance gen because they are working on power efficiency. Then we would have better expectations and be able to focus on that. I mean going back down to 2 slots with such a small board is a really big deal, but it gets overshadowed by stupid claims.

[@Slade_9000]

Your graphic is so on point, I hope Nvidia has this projected in there next team meeting to discuss product placement and pricing..

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

Can't wait for the AI bubble to pop even more than it did this week and companies like Nvidia to be broken up.

[@JacksonStGeorge]

That was a great chart. Would love to see more of them. The historical uplift was eye opening.

[@blueknight0782]

Thank you, this helps a lot. I skipped 4000 series for this and now I'm thinking to wait for now.

[@Dynasty1818]

Pretty pathetically blatant segmentation between the 5080 and 5090, so a Ti can fill the gap we never wanted.

[@Bluestreak589]

"Everybody" posts reviews full of charts for the newest card. I like this alternative track you're taking this cycle - Makes your videos more worthwhile to watch, knowing its going to be something a bit different from everybody else.

[@JamesSchulte]

Cause Nvidia wants you to buy the 5090

[@Stealthrellik]

This needs to be repeated every GPU launch to keep people and manufacturers grounded with reality

[@weeblewonder]

I love the list of "it does not suck, it sucks because of X, Y, Z". In my mind the summary of that was "the one thing it has going for it, is it works" lol

[@mxthunder2]

great break down. would have been cool to have 1 more column to show the % price increase.

[@eastcoastmodz5195]

Went to Best buy and there was an AMD RX 580 on the shelf for $135 ... I thought it was a very old card to still be out in the wild for sale. 😮

[@JasonTheOneAndOnly]

Nice work on the comparisons, really shows the issue.

[@Lonewanderer30]

The whole 5000 series sucks.

[@BobK58]

My 1070Ti still chugs on.

[@mooncow333]

One thing I like to remember, when you look at inflation adjusted price v performance gains, 3080 had a 39.5% price/performance gain on 1080 while 5080 has 33.7% price/performance gain on 3080. So still seeing some lessening there but not as dramatically worse as when you don’t account for inflation

[@TheCrossover369]

This spin, in leiu of a conventional graphics card review, was an extremely good way to stand out paul. I also really liked having the market over time shown like this. I have a feeling other content creators are going to start including this information in their videos/articles given the climate of the GPU market. Great job! Keep innovating!

[@korbensc7218]

No competition, no need to progress... It speeks that a cooling solution is the most exciting topic with this release.

[@noemedmedia]

I, for one, really appreciate these kind of videos, contra run of the mill testing and reviews

[@kevinrobb86]

So when the 60 series comes out its starts at -17 performance figure

[@lanet2436]

man, Paul Thank you SOOO much for making these videos, its all relative and I Love the fact that you spend so much time going out of your way to Heavily explain all the positions and give opinions! Keep up the great work man!

[@Razear]

More money, less value so that Jensen can renew his wardrobe with ever-shinier jackets.

[@kvnrthr1589]

I'll just check back in a year tbh. I hope AMD releases something competitive, Nvidia is forced to at least adjust a little bit and we get a decent value 5080 Super.

[@neerithedragon298]

The gen on gen improvements from 1080 times until now (Excluding the 50xx cards) is actually better than my memories of those times made me remember. I remember every launch with the theme of "dont buy this card, it is not the value we got to expect"

[@Jmvars]

7:51 I think what also supports this is the abysmal memory capacity offerings. 5090 offers 32GB while the 5080 offers HALF, at 16GB.

[@sentiel]

1 reason. It's missing 8GB of VRAM. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.