Have a Project Bigger than the CNC? NO Problem! Two Stage Carving | Cutout | Tiling all at Once!

The making of a huge Ninja Turtle sign. I'm using two stage carving and cutting out the sign all while tiling this huge sign which is bigger than my CNC. Tiling is the key. Everything must be just right. There is no room for error. I show you how in this video.
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[@4-6-3DP]

Excellent as always! Must admit that I had the urge to put on my respirator while watching all of that MDF dust!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much. I did have a lot of dust control going on.

[@JohnColgan.]

2nd worse part of MDF (in UK at least) is the smell of fish glue used in manufacturing

[@timroberts191]

two thumbs up Paw Paw, I have done tiling before but i have used V-Carve. I haven't tried easel yet

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

V Carve is excellent but the working area is 24x24. I do not have the Pro version. That's too much tiling. Now you are moving on both the x and y axis.

[@timroberts191]

@@PawPawsWorkShop I have V Carve Desktop and i haven't tried anything wider then 24. but i did tile 16in wide by 36in long. Turned out great. I also have a 1000x1000mm X Carve

[@PaganWizard]

I am saving up my pictures of Ben Franklin to get a CNC. This video just saved me thousands of dollars in not having to buy a machine larger than my budget.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

I have no idea what your budget is but I would get the largest CNC that you can afford. You will max it out and wish it was bigger. Tiling is an excellent way to get the most out of your CNC. Thank you very much.

[@PaganWizard]

@@PawPawsWorkShop I'm looking at a 35"x35" Mill Right Mega V (millrightcnc.com) machine. Maxed out with all the bells and whistles, including the 4th axis (rotary), it's going to be $2807 plus shipping. I'm going to be (primarily) making wavy American Flags, and signs with it. I think it's going to serve me pretty well for a long time.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

That's awesome!

[@rickolsen8717]

I enjoy all your videos, they've certainly helped me. The "tiling" still seems a bit daunting but I'll give it a shot !

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much. Tiling is a topic that I believe is not discussed enough. That is why I spent so much time on the topic. Take it so and make sure your CNC is really tuned well.

[@jeremiahwalker4135]

I do it slightly different where as I cut half the design in a full sheet then shift the sheet to do the rest. That way its all one piece still :) i make reference hole for picking up new xy zero. I meant to add that my method only works when you can place the reference holes in. It just seems easier for me that way. I also use pro cad/cam (gibbs and mastercam) so i can control my tool paths

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

That's the wonderful thing about woodworking including using a CNC. There are many different ways to accomplish the same thing. I showed tiling in numerous videos and each one has been a little different. For these comic signs, I have completed eleven to date and I must say I refined my methods over the entire period of time. Thank you very much for sharing your method.

[@mmmmmmm8706]

Ok, understanding how to move the graphic up,down to registration points. I wonder about trying to use some dowels in the workpiece to serve as a registration point somehow. For 2nd carve, slide workpiece and lock it in with dowel. Guess you'd need dowel holes in top half of workpiece and bottom half. Oh, I did notice, after using fusion 360 to generate the gcode, reduced my 20min carve to 5 minutes on a certain project ... Much simpler carve than the one in your video though. Excellent end result.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Yes, a lot of people use the dowel rod method. Anything that give you a good registration point works.

[@GuidoMillonezz]

Boss you are a gem in the trade, younger fellas tend to underestimate OG but look at you, very sophisticated and perfectionist. Respect!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you so very much for your kind words

[@JohnColgan.]

Nice instruction on large carving techniques. I thought the USA had them renames as "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" same as UK as the "Ninja" was considered too violent? Kids would go out to p!ay, suited up as turtles, kick each other & come home crying !!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you. Not sure the history of the series. This is the requested logo that I did for the person.

[@JohnColgan.]

The private commission now has a story to go with it

[@tomasuzateguiorchard5190]

Thanks for the video. Got a question, I'm trying myself, could tell me please if the white box is just a square or is it and app?

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

It is just a square set to zero cut depth

[@tomasuzateguiorchard5190]

OMG, that's so obvious, still so genius, thanks man love your videos, you are the best.

[@dwaynejohnson7499]

afternoon how did you insert that white box to cover the bottom area

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

The white box is a rectangle from the shape menu set to zero cut depth. You place this white box over the area that you do not want to cut.

[@jodys9307]

Great video on tiling. Do you have a video on how you created this TMNT sign? I'd love to learn how you did it. It looks amazing. thanks.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much. What would like to know about the creation of the sign? The projects starts by finding the image. I usually get them from a Google search.

[@jodys9307]

@@PawPawsWorkShop I see. As vector images or do you convert bitmaps (png, jpg) to vectors?

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

I do an image trace. Depending on the detail often I will use Inkscape to do the trace and to save as an STL file

[@TimberWood.Customs]

I just did tiling today on a sign for my parents. It was slightly off which really was sad because it was about the first time I tried to do it. I am only using one bit and it is a 60° bit and is in graving the sign. I start out with a rectangle to the size of the sign I need and then I run the two path it is in graving the words on the sign. But then when I go for the second to pass that finishes the sign, it is off just a tiny bit. I built my machine so it is not manufactured built and cannot be hooked up to easel like yours. Do you have any tips on making sure it is back at the exact zero setpoint

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Not sure exactly what was a tiny bit off. You could be slightly out of square to the machine. The router may have moved slightly if you changed bits. Look at each area

[@TimberWood.Customs]

Paw Paw’s WorkShop Yes it does move and change his ex and Y location. That is because every time after a cut is done it doesn’t home exactly to the starting point. I don’t know how to change that. And that is probably my biggest problem which is preventing me from cutting big things like you

[@TimberWood.Customs]

Thanks for the video! Could you try making a tiling video with an engraving sign? One that you don’t have any extra material to make registration marks on.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

You need the registration mark, either one like I used or something in the carve itself that can be used. Even if it is a pencil mark. When you move the project you need to know exactly how far you are moving it and the machine must match that movement.

[@TimberWood.Customs]

Paw Paw’s WorkShop I use a pencil line. But I guess when I adjust it, it gets off because the X and Y don’t home back to the starting point

[@karlbrucesnelgrove1883]

Thank you for creating really good videos. The videos have really helped with my xcarve learning curve

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much.

[@josilasik]

I like your videos. It has helped me wrap my brain around easel more than inventables videos. I have learned a lot from you. I wouldn't mind seeing how to tune up the xcarve as I have had some issues with it not carving all the way down as it should in detail work.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much. I will definitely consider doing a tune up video in the future. Currently, I check my machine daily for any problems. I also keep the machine clean.

[@firstcutsawmill6709]

Great video! I am planning to do a tiling project soon and this was super helpful. Thanks for sharing.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Awesome! I'm very glad that this video helped you.

[@klausreviewscraftrestore3152]

wow. machines do everything now, so if ever machines are destroyed humans will have no skills to survive, no more machines to do everything for us anymore, we will be lost. credit to the machine, good job machine you cut very well.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

lol, can you fix the electrical grid if it goes down? How about your cell phone or car? Can you grow your own food? I can go on and on. This is the society that we live in. Embrace it or move out of society and live totally off grid. OH, no solar panels either.

[@edwardscheibner7603]

These videos are awesome I can’t wait to do my first large sign. Your videos have been very helpful please please keep them coming.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much. Working on the next one now.

[@derekd289]

Love to see a video on how to paint it...awesome video as always

[@ScrewThisGlueThat]

Paw Paw, Wondering if tiling would be easier if there were alignment pins cut into the table then the piece to be carved. Then the piece can be positioned on the pins over and over during the tiling process. New to the scene, my 1000mm cnc shows up today.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

I have tried the pins in the MDF and it was not as accurate. I think it would well in oak or other hard wood. Thank you very much and congratulations on getting the XCarve.

[@s_m-b_l-z_m7941]

Did you have your reference point at 20 and moved the part up 21 for the bottom half

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

The reference point can be at either point. As long as you set the workpiece and the computer exactly the same you can use any measurement that you wish.

[@s_m-b_l-z_m7941]

@@PawPawsWorkShop ok so if I start on the bottom portion and have my computer set for 30 so half is 15 when I move my material down do I move that part 15 aswell I ask cause I was successful at it but I feel I got lucky

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

As long as you move the computer the same distance as the material you will be fine. You must be very accurate. Sounds like you did just fine.

[@s_m-b_l-z_m7941]

@@PawPawsWorkShop thank you do you start on the bottom or top half first what’s easier in your opinion

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Does not matter.

[@robertprice9052]

I’m about to buy an Xcarve. Your videos on tiling took away my last excuse! Thanks! I would love to see those projects painted

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Awesome! Thank you! I actually just got some pictures of them finished.

[@SandyBoone]

Thanks for the videos. I am just getting started in CNC but have done graphic work previously. Tiling is not a new thing but what's different is translating it to a machine. My head went wonkers however when you got to X-Y numbers around 8:23 and figuring how to position the Teenage Mutant portion. It would help me if you have the time to share it - 1. You have the X axis at 0, and the Y axis at 2.009 when the artwork is centered. I assume this derives from centering the artwork in reference to the background that's already been cut out -i.e. in the spot where it should be over the background? 2. You say you need to subtract 21" from the Y axis of 2.009. What is 21" a reference to - is that the size of the sign, or more likely, one half the length of the sign when it's centered? Ultimately is the goal to first, center the artwork, and then to adjust the artwork so the exact middle of the image is at the X,Y= 0, 2.009? I'm just trying to get my brain back in line with where you're going with this! ;) Thanks for showing us a way to figure it out! You're an inspiration! Oh, and do you have a video about setting up 2 stage carving - I'm not sure how you tell the machine to do that operation yet. I'll keep looking and check on your channel.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Don't get caught up in the numbers, I could have used any number I wanted. You need to find the easiest place on the project for the breaking point. You just have to match the computer to what is on your board. Keep it simple.

[@SandyBoone]

@@PawPawsWorkShop Thank you for helping out! I'm setting up my CNC today and going to do the first run. You've been REALLY helpful at seeing things to think about and to look out for when creating projects. The amount of information is a bit overwhelming from around the internet - like even which software is best to use! I just decided to pick one (well actually I like Easel because it's pretty easy, but am also dabbling in Fusion 360 because I haven't figured out in Easel how to actually build a media center furniture piece I have in my head with a decorated via CNC front - but Fusion 360 is a big learning curve). But gotta start somewhere on some smaller things and just begin.

[@TheTwan51]

Hi, For a long time I have the wish to be able to make carvings with my modificated Velleman K2800 3D printer. Thanx because of your video's I am a very big step further to succeed in my wish to carve a little project with succes. I have to learn a lot but I have the spirit to go on with everyting. Thanks to your video's !!!!!! Keep on the good work, thank you man!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

You are very welcome. I do these videos for this exact reason. You are the reason that I keep producing videos. Thank you very much.

[@TheTwan51]

@@PawPawsWorkShop 👍🏻

[@JasonPeltier]

Excellent information! I have a 3D sign similar to this that I'm wanting to build. Thanks!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much.

[@solafarms2295]

got my first tiling job coming at the end of may with your informative video i will begin practicing so thankful for the great videos you make!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

You're welcome. Good luck to you.

[@bicyclerider3978]

Cowabunga!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much.

[@timguernsey8030]

One of the easiest tutorials to follow and learn from. Thank You

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Awesome! Thank you very much

[@arnwinewoodwerks7718]

Thanks for putting these videos out. You make it easier to understand how to do these things.

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

You're welcome. Glad that it helped you

[@Ultimism_]

How much time do you recon this would take on a smaller scale sign? And how long did this project take?

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

That is hard to predict without doing the actual design work. This project took about :45 minutes to carve the main part and about 15 minutes to do the backerboard.

[@Ultimism_]

@@PawPawsWorkShop sweet thank you. I needed an idea of time for something I'm planning. Thanks for the help! 👍🏾

[@kyleswenson8152]

The line at the 21” mark, do you just sand it down?

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Yes, that is just a registration mark for the tiling operation.

[@communicationatoz]

You are truly amazing. You are a great teacher. I don’t know if i could ever do what you do

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much. You can do it. Learn from every project and grow. Study and experiment.

[@anton3b]

It looks really nice and you know how you can use your cnc . I’m impressed about your work

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much.

[@meadkriegsfeld562]

I've been carving on the x carve for a few months now and have been learning a lot from your videos. I've tried two stage carving and find I always have a problem with jogging the x or y axis in the process of changing the bits and find it hard to realign the xy axis exactly due to the two different carving bit shapes. I end up just a hair off from the roughing pass to the detail pass. I never saw you change bits on camera before. Any chance you could make a quick video on this topic or just pass along any tricks you might have? I've read on the Inventables forum that this is a very common problem that no one seems to have a solution for. Thanks

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

The first step is to set in GRBL $1=255. That will lock the stepper motors. Next, most people over tighten the bit in the router.

[@meadkriegsfeld562]

@@PawPawsWorkShop Thanks for replying. I'm definitely guilty of over tightening, old habit from standard routers over the years of worrying my bits are going to slip out. I've read about locking motors but don't know how. Can you explain what GRBL $1=255 means?

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

There is tons of information on the forum. Go to Machine, Advanced, then Machine Inspector. There you will see the GRBL settings. You will also see a box where you can make the change. Type in $1=255

[@borstroem]

Awesome video and great work👍 Do you do a new "home" when going from rough to detail pass and change bits? or do you just home the z axis by using the probe?

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

I use a new home. I do not trust the "use last" feature. I have had it run wild. (Once) that was enough for me

[@christopherthorn1906]

@@PawPawsWorkShop I noticed that you seem to have Home switches but don't use the Home feature in Easel. I send the router to Home using the Home command then set the Work x,y zero in Carve on the corner of my stock. To change bits, send the router to Home then you can use 'use last x,y ' and it will start the program at the Work x, y zero. Of course if you change bits you need to reset z with the probe. Using Home is also helpful if you need to recover from an emergency stop.

[@TimberWood.Customs]

Christopher Thorn what is your machine does not connect to easel, for example someone who built their own CNC machine. How would you go back to the same exact homes by? Is there a way to do that

[@christopherthorn1906]

@@TimberWood.Customs It doesn't matter which type of CNC or which program you are using as the principles are the same. For more info see kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6nag3ywidCrnNU

[@angelogarcia2186]

Have you ever tiled a flag? Im looking to tile a flag

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

I have tiled the individual stripes with names and the pledge on the flag. I always do the union as a separate work piece. There is no reason that you could not tile the flag. You the same process that I have shown in my videos.

[@lunnymav]

Awesome work paw paw. Killing it!!!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thanks. Got to start another one.

[@cncswoodworking2595]

I'd like to see how you glue it all up, thanks for the videos!

[@ohske]

Good 👍👍👍👌☺️

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you

[@lVl1GGL3]

That turned out great!

[@PawPawsWorkShop]

Thank you very much.