Paying for a ticket in California with pennies

[@kingdavid1029]

"and did any of us give permission up there to record?" ...stunned silence... SO MUCH WIN You go dude

[@manicstatic370]

Permission to cut urself

[@matthewhamilton4460]

When she was complaining about being filmed and then he asked about the cameras in the building hahah pure gold.

[@chriswilliams-wn1yd]

Should have left that shit on the desk and walked off, they have to take it whether they're scared of work or not.

[@PlanetRockJesus]

Yes, but you'd better have an unbroken video record of how much you've dumped on their counter.

[@rjmprod]

Cash is cash....Pennies, nickles, dimes, quarters, dollars.....They can not refuse a payment in pennies! Unrolled or otherwise!!!!

[@SHADOW5383]

***** Incorrect. Rolled pennies must be accepted. Unrolled don't have to be. Paper money MUST certainly be accepted, again unrolled pennies do not. Derp.

[@rjmprod]

SHADOW5383 direct me to where that is stated!

[@SHADOW5383]

***** www.freevirus.com

[@rjmprod]

SHADOW5383 YOU FUNNY!

[@412Lean]

SHADOW5383 only a privately owned business dose not have to accept unrolled pennies all government business have to its the law if they dont u can file a lawsuit yaw get takein advantage of by the gov yaw r all sheep

[@accord21]

Ask them on film "Are you refusing to take my payment for the debt of (state whatever the debt is for)?" When they say yes. Then walk away do not pay it, you are in the clear, you have it on film. Keep the evidence to show in court, you win.

[@davemartin9954]

No you don't all you fucking clowns tried that and lost.

[@joewong6662]

Legally speaking, A payment that is refused is satisfaction of the debt. Simply walk away with the coins.

[@bssmrk]

How about paying in checks made out for 1 cent each!

[@joshproffit]

I like that idea next time I will do that

[@cocognito9868]

josh p You have to buy checkbooks!!!

[@JohnDoe-gm5qr]

+bssmrk Not worth the writers cramp.

[@byroncroft2365]

use a computer

[@davespeedee]

step aside…"ok"…all signs of having balls vanished into thin air

[@marystuart7245]

Once you tender payment in cash, and she refuses to accept it, legally the debt or fine is by law, paid in full.

[@havok9001]

if they say they dont accept i tell them to bad i pay u in cash how it is if not then i see ur ass in court & i tell the judge u dont want to act cash that is in coin that by law u have to take

[@lilmsgs]

Here's the statute: Title 31 (Money and Finance), Subtitle IV (Money), Chapter 51 (Coins and Currency), Subchapter I (Monetary System), Section 5103 (Legal Tender) of the United States Code states: United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.

[@DarkWolf-et3dx]

Paid His Due's * Like A Boss *

[@SourGrey]

The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

[@jamesstewart9975]

There IS a federal that states any federal buildings MUST take any form of U.S. Cash. What she did to you, was wrong, and you could file a lawsuit for harassment for making you lose your spot in line and wasting your time.

[@paulchristian6318]

He is 100% correct and but not allowing him to pay in whatever legal tender denomination he has they are OBLIGATED to COMPLY with taking his money and if they refuse then they are refusing payment. It has to be a Publicly voted on Law and not merely an ordinance written up by some unknown individual to supercede Law. I once paid $15,000 in mixed denomination of change as the tax rate had jumped 40% that year and I literally had to rob my piggy bank in order to do it. The next year they installed coin machines in as others also started doing it. It does not matter the denomination, just that it is legally recognized money (from the Federal reserve which is the Banks and not the treasury or the government).

[@jaschu09]

Pay $5 at a time. Get back in line and pay $5. Repeat until finished.

[@jaschu09]

What Government Code did she provide to you? Assuming its the one related to paying taxes which a criminal is not a tax.

[@GlossaME]

The best way to do it, bring a lawyer next to you....that will pe perfect!

[@castoresnegros]

LOL !!!! If he does not want to pay that fine do you think he wants to pay for a lawyer!!!

[@sukitez1000]

@@castoresnegros he did pay for the fine, what are you talking about?

[@SunnySydeRamsay]

The Coinage Act doesn't require this. UCC 3 § 603(b) states that if they refuse the legal tender the debt is discharged. The Coinage Act is important simply in the context that it constitutes coins as legal tender.

[@joycewhitmire5527]

I would be mad if i had to wait in line for an idiot

[@josehurtado7822]

“Pay in normal way “ that person is a secretary and she think she is the First Lady

[@Fr35HTiLNiNjA]

But still yet, its legal tender, and by law they have to take it, it isnt really wasting her time considering he was paying the debt, in which it is her job to count it and make sure it is accurate.

[@joygasm1]

Look i understand it's a shitty move but why hire someone who can't do basic math and refuses to do so? It's legal payment don't like it take it up with congress.

[@rachitballer]

Niceeeee. Good for you. That woman on the phone aahhhh I see the same bullshit trend by all government employees "oh it's not rolled" or "oh we can't take that"

[@Redirocks]

this kid has got balls on him

[@carlosrosx]

I'd love to see part 2!

[@joshproffit]

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[@josefromtexas]

So what ultimately happened?

[@rklooster6129]

Clever trick; I have felt like doing this myself a few times. The coinage act of 1965 made non-silver coins legal tender, and contained other provisions regarding the minting of coins, but seems to me to be mute about requiring anyone, including government agencies, to accept coins for payment of a debt.

[@jdahllquist6823]

M Twicky You are right the way I read the law. Legal tender does not mean mandatory acceptance.

[@joshjones1463]

:50 got quiet but I hate when people do this and let them tell them what to do when you have done nothing wrong

[@animebuff86]

So, in conclusion what happened with that incident?

[@myster5y]

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103 print it out and next time talk to some one higher and higher if u have to they have to accept it

[@ThePerfectMuse55]

What is cash?

[@lnixon236]

Heather. Yes there is if you are a goverment body or NOT a private business. AND, I wouldn't have stepped aside.

[@NemarusNetwork]

False. State v. Carroll, 1997 WL 118064 (Ohio App. 4 Dist.) made a precedent where you can refuse pennies as payment, even if you are a government agency such as a court.

[@DaniNOTW]

So is it legal to pay a ticket with pennies

[@joshuagarner8248]

If they can record us then we can record them period!!!!!!

[@kylekoedyker2034]

WHY????? did you leave????

[@SourGrey]

but private buisness may have regulations intact on how or how much they can recieve as legal tender. such as no bills larger then 20... if theres a coin limit should it not be posted as well. the court office and federal aswell as public building I thought are required too take all forms of legal tender coin cash or federal bills.

[@ScottRidesHonda]

Shoulda got her badge and reported her!

[@robertdubya739]

The courts are too good for coins?

[@tomerph]

OutlandishGorilla you nailed it they would have to get a coin counter case closed

[@paulthomas3841]

Good on you Bro

[@MegaMooseofDoom.]

You should have called the police and had them force them to take it.

[@joshproffit]

the police were there Pay for a ticket in pennies in California part 2

[@ryanw1284ryansrants]

josh p Video is private ... PLeaes fix !!!

[@wittyedge]

If they refuse to take the money, then by law the debt is forgiven.

[@joshproffit]

ryanw1284 fixed

[@davemartin9954]

Wrong, learn the law.

[@raysnetwork4635]

Call the police they will take it they have to take it

[@Twizted_Daisy]

money is money

[@Astrox326]

Federal laws trump state they have to take it or drop the fines

[@sandrahohl4693]

WHY NOT GET A COIN COUNTER THAT DOESNOT CHARGE ANYTHING THEY IT GIVES A PAPER TAKE IT TO THE COUNTER THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT THE TOWN OR COUNTY SHOULD PAY FOR A COIN COUNTER SO THIS COULD HELP OUT EVERYONE THAT NEEDS TO GET MONEY BACK IN PAPER BILLS

[@stevencarroll3495]

Why don’t these place have coin count really wtf

[@MrJhondoejr]

Should not have gave up

[@PlanetRockJesus]

Excellent video and arguments, but it fell apart when he said "OK" to her demand the "step aside." BE MORE INFORMED AND ASSERTIVE!

[@MrDoma420]

You should've called the cops they would have made her accept it

[@davemartin9954]

wrong

[@jeremchapman732]

awesome!!!

[@zaidabood5591]

And what happened then?

[@davemartin9954]

nothing he slunk away

[@jimmy4437]

You should have called the police and they would definitely would take the money this the United States currency issue by the first government and this is money just like everything else is she refuses to take your money does crimination

[@ryandubon8458]

Traffic school DMV public . is all business to them

[@kawasjt]

yes

[@raulhernandez7735]

Wtf part 2!!!!!!

[@hidetoshivn]

Why do these type of videos usually kids' videos? What if she accept his pennies as normal? I think this kid are more angry and upset because his plan is failure.

[@ariellewest5024]

I know it's kind of an ass thing to do, but she legally must accept payment in coins as they're considered cash. That is unless there's something stating you may only pay in coins to a certain amount. Otherwise she's being an average sad to say government employee.

[@Dmeech100]

+Sirena This is incorrect. The law states that coins can be OFFERED as legal tender. However, it does not state that person/business/organization is REQUIRED to accept it. If she wanted, she could have asked for $20 bills.

[@phoenixhere2523]

Dmeech, you are correct that they are not REQUIRED to accept it... however, UCC Code 3-603b states that if tender of payment is refused, the debt is discharged. The minute it was refused, he was free of the debt, and it becomes the responsibility of the clerk to explain why the tender was refused, and the violation of the Federal Coinage Act. I would've called the US State's Attorney (Federal prosecutor) or the Marshals (Federal police) at that point, and let the city cops go back to giving out speeding tickets.

[@Davidsonr922]

should have call the cops

[@joshproffit]

cops were behind me the entire time they were there to intimidate me I was a public disturbance kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJPOgaWld96MppI

[@ryanw1284ryansrants]

You caved??? part 2 is private!

[@joshproffit]

I took it of private

[@joshproffit]

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[@TweezyB77]

Another fail?Why post the video (

[@joshuagarner8248]

Always pay in pennnies

Look up § 3-602. PAYMENT and 3-603. Tender of payment U.C.C. - ARTICLE 3 - NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENTS (2002) › PART 6. DISCHARGE AND PAYMENT. A "government agency" is defined as any "Commonwealth agency, any transportation authority or agency created by statute or any political subdivision or municipal or other local authority, or agency of any political subdivision or local authority." Travelers Cas. & Sur. Co. of Am. v. A.G. Cullen Constrs., Inc., 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 89641, 25-26 (W.D. Pa. Sept. 29, 2009) RECORDING. *Currently, the following U.S. Courts of Appeals have recognized the First Amendment right to record the police and/or other public officials*: *First Circuit (with jurisdiction over Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Puerto Rico, and Rhode Island*): see Glik v. Cunniffe, 655 F.3d 78, 85 (1st Cir. 2011) ("[A] citizen's right to film government officials, including law enforcement officers, in the discharge of their duties in a public space is a basic, vital, and well-established liberty safeguarded by the First Amendment."); Iacobucci v. Boulter, 193 F.3d 14 (1st Cir. 1999) (police lacked authority to prohibit citizen from recording commissioners in town hall "because [the citizen's] activities were peaceful, not performed in derogation of any law, and done in the exercise of his First Amendment rights[.]"). *Seventh Circuit (with jurisdiction over Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin*): see ACLU v. Alvarez, 679 F.3d 583, 595 (7th Cir. 2012) ("The act of making an audio or audiovisual recording is necessarily included within the First Amendment's guarantee of speech and press rights as a corollary of the right to disseminate the resulting recording."). *Ninth Circuit (with jurisdiction over Alaska, Arizona, California, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, the Northern Mariana Islands, Oregon, and Washington*): see Fordyce v. City of Seattle, 55 F.3d 436, 438 (9th Cir. 1995) (assuming a First Amendment right to record the police); see also Adkins v. Limtiaco, _ Fed. App'x _, No. 11-17543, 2013 WL 4046720 (9th Cir. Aug. 12, 2013) (recognizing First Amendment right to photograph police, citing Fordyce). *Eleventh Circuit (with jurisdiction over Alabama, Florida and Georgia*): see Smith v. City of Cumming, 212 F.3d 1332, 1333 (11th Cir. 2000) ("The First Amendment protects the right to gather information about what public officials do on public property, and specifically, a right to record matters of public interest."). *The Appellate Division of the Superior Court of New Jersey* likewise recognized the existence of such a right in Ramos v. Flowers, Docket No. A-4910-10T3 (N.J. App. Div. Sept. 21, 2012), relying heavily on the First Circuit's reasoning in the Glik case.

[@joycewhitmire5527]

They did not get the ticket

[@jamesstewart9975]

Federal law*

[@micropenises]

You backed down, lol should have stood your ground. You are weak.

[@inkked74]

You got owned, step aside and pay your ticket chump.

[@OneRedKansan41]

The coins are legal tender, yes, but there is no such law that says anyone HAS to take them.

[@austinbateman8750]

yes there is he stated it in the coinig bill of 1965 states that they must take them if they were a private company they could reject them but since they are public then no they cannot reject them

[@colognedude5133]

Yes there is anything put out by the us mint can be spent

[@colognedude5133]

Yes there is anything put out by the us mint can be spent

[@austinbateman8750]

im not trying to sound like an as but it is a federal law that they must accept any us legal tender as a dept in the coinage act of 1965

[@austinbateman8750]

U.S. Code › Title 31 › Subtitle IV › Chapter 51 › Subchapter I › § 5103 31 U.S. Code § 5103 - Legal tender Current through Pub. L. 113-142, except 128. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) US Code Notes Updates PREV | next United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.