FRONT DIFF Fluid change FORD SUPERDUTY Truck WATCH WHAT WE DID!

[@MrCmetzler]

Do you have any idea how hard it is to try and watch allllll of your videos???? I'm trying.....really really hard. I've learned more in two weeks than ever thought possible.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤌🤌🤌😎😎😎😎💯💯💯💯

[@jasongriffin1127]

He is a phenomenon. I live in NC and am contemplating sending him my truck.

[@rayc5255]

Had a nightmare going on with local Dealer on West Coast and was starting to seriously consider shipping my 2016 Lariat D to him. Have also learned more than thought possible here, hat tip A Rod

[@stevekoven6645]

Always remove the fill plug on a transfer case or differential before draining fluid. If the fill plug is frozen or stripped, you can order a new plug or cover and do the job later. If you drain the fluid first and you destroy that plug getting it out, you just disabled your truck until you can get new parts.

[@jeremyreagan4734]

Yep, done a rear diff change in my truck yesterday and the first thing was getting that fill plug out

[@robbypro3370]

Use a putty knife, not a screwdriver to open it up, you will bend your cover or gouge your housing. And use the correct silicone made for gear oil and friction modifiers. Permatex makes it. Make sure you make circles around the bolt holes and only hand tighten the bolts and let cure for about an hour, then tighten to specs. If not you will squeeze out all the gasket maker too thin and might leak? You should see the sealant come out all the way around the outside of the cover if you do it right. Once it comes out after hand tightening, stop. Wait for an hour, then torque it down. Temperatures will change that time if colder?

[@lorenray9479]

Hey kidderz! I am 66 and just changed my 2000 superduty f250 front diff with 80w90 gear/diff oil conventional. I have cursed the stubborn 4x4 turning. I just drove the field round about the brush pile! Wow! Sharp turns with no hang-ups!!!!!!! Never knew the heavy old muddy oil would restrict turning. I also dumped and flushed grey metal sparkles from the transfer case! I added proper atf.

[@michaelwing434]

I have worked in the auto industry for 36 years. The reason the manufacture use sealant is because it is more economical and applied using a robot. I use a gasket when changing fluids in my F250 diffs. Never had a leak.

[@MrThunderChicken]

Which gasket do you use?

[@bigmike3250]

ARod is the only technician who cares more about your truck than you do!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Si!

[@3374jj]

So true big Mike

[@LunaDaSavage]

The only? I know many bud

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

The only, when they come across the usa to have me work on their truck, yes

[@willb7975]

Thanks brother... Used 80W90 Valvoline in squeeze bottle. Front Dana 60 was simple drain and fill. In lieu of gooey gasket, I used Lubelocker's reusable gasket - 4 weeks and no leaks. IIRC, torque was 30-32 ft lbs.

[@blakeapplewhite]

Any update on the lube locker? I’m about to do my front and rear diff

[@-R_H]

I used the lube locker gasket 2 years ago for the rear axle no issues at all

[@markparker4032]

I like to use a vacuum pump.....No need to remove cover. Awesome Job ARod.

[@lalo1424]

❤😂

[@Raynestormco]

A old man from one of the gasket sealant companies showed me how they recommend installing their sealant and ever since then I have yet to have a leak. He said one that we all use extremely way too much. It should not squeeze out. Nor should it slide around. He showed me to use very little and then use your finger and pat it over and over spreading thinly like a gasket on the surface. You pat it with your finger so you do not have a smooth surface but lots of ridges. Do both sides the same way and by the time your done it’s thin enough it should be tacky. Install and done. No mess out the sides. No sliding around. A complete seal.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Gotta love thee old timers righttt🤌🫵

[@projectswithdustin]

Thankyou for your dedication in taking the time to make these videos to help us Powerstroke owners out with our maintenance. I am going to be doing the front and rear diff fluid change on my 16 F250 here soon. Front diff started seeping a bit and at 70k, its about that time for a fluid change any ways.

[@michaelkrause392]

Appreciate the time & effort in making these videos. I’ll be doing the front/rear along with my transmission filter/fluid change when I get back from out of town….long overdue at 105k. Will be using only FoMoCo fluids.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Wish others around me felt the same. Good luck pal

[@terrydtdi]

ARod I can’t thank you enough for the great instruction you provided in all your videos, thank you brother. I’m trying to knock out all of maint items off of your recommended schedule. Thank you sir

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

💪💪💪

[@mattmagee7541]

Thank you for editing out air gun!

[@jimmynewman7560]

Love it! I was able to drain, clean diff and cover edges. I used Master Pro GL-5 80W 90 gear oil. Waiting for the hour to be up so I can fill diff.. we’ll see 👍🏻

[@cjg1482]

I just changed my fluid. The diff cover bolts were stupid tight. I needed an 18” breaker bar to get them off (from the factory). They also had blue loctite on them. 85,000 miles and the oil looked good.

[@cavemanjoe79]

Looks just about like doing the Dana 50 on my 2000 F350. Instead of silicone I used a Lubelocker gasket.

[@vince5506]

Always top tier work Arod! Making it look easy peasy 💯👍🏼

[@roadgliderider1]

Absolutely love this channel. Helps me out big time

[@joshuamoore24_7]

I pumped green fluid out of a front differential on a 2003 F250 6.0 Powerstroke super duty king ranch today. I don't know what it was but the only I can find online that is green is Shell Spirax sae 30. I put the limited slip differential additive and 80w90 full synthetic gear oil when I filled the front differential. My video is called "2003 Ford F-250 6.0 liter King Ranch 4x4 front and rear differential drain and fill". That Green sludge from the front differential was ridiculously hard to pump out it was like sae 200 weight.

[@jerimahjohnson8698]

Getting ready to do my 2016 f350 6.7 Wish me luck

[@3374jj]

On your A game as always brother. These are so often overlooked

[@raider762]

Never liked silicon gaskets on differentials, Lube Locker gaskets are faster.

[@tylerdicky7046]

Man, I've gotta get myself one of those time skipping impacts. Seems to save a lot of time. 😂

[@charlesklippel92]

Another Super job as usual

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

🙏

[@charlesklippel92]

I wish all Ford mechanics did stuff in detail like you do but when you live in Florida they cut corners and they're giving Ford a bad name but you put everything out in the open you're a good human being you're smart and you do top-notch work thank you for putting out good videos very good content

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Appreciate chu

[@G.I.JeffsWorkbench]

Thx ARod for once again showing us how it’s done. QUESTION: ?Red Loctite or Thread Sealant on Fill Plug when reinstalling? Thx for letting us benefit from your experience.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

PTFE will work

[@G.I.JeffsWorkbench]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod thx ARod for settling this local debate.

[@jerryknorr679]

Another great video, thanks ARod , l will be doing mine soon.

[@xforce687]

Quietest air impact I ever heard! 😃

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Ghosted lol

[@ryanbrown918]

Yes!!! Thanks Arod 😏 Diggin that Fox Stabalizer BTW..

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Woooowooo

[@Onlythesquirrel1]

Great work as always man!

[@m1lkman1974]

Man, we need an Arod in all of our cities for our Ford trucks! Hey from Kingston, Ontario Canada! Great videos!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Hey!!!!

[@D4x4Bronc]

Legendary Dana 60 Front axle. Shame they used the dana 50 in the Excursions and 99-01 250/350.

[@briandavis21]

Should I use brake cleaner to clean the inside of the diff covers and transmission pan when I service them or should I use something else?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Yea

[@audenluna6028]

Omg that impact is quick and quiet 😂

[@andrewwindjack1252]

My old mechanic used to use an old 10 pound propane tank ( the ones used for BBQ) he actually wielded a threaded nut and a threaded male end of a air quick chuck on the base and some hose with an 90 degree tube

[@redblazehorse]

The gear oil you drained looked brand new.

[@wtfd95]

Also, I saw you used Motorcraft 75w140 on the rear fluid change, but the front was 80w90. Is that the recommended fluids to use? Thanks for all the great videos and information. 👌🇺🇸

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Lololol yes sir. I dont just pick a fluid & use it🤣

[@TAug-b4j]

I use Triax

[@kristolson5198]

Isn't a limited slip additive required? Or is that only with synthetic oils?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Not if it has ELD electronic locking diff

[@BinhDong]

Like the rear diff banks cover. Does anyone make one for the front? Seems like a lost opportunity?

[@rockie307]

Front diff only spins in 4x4 overheating is not a problem with front diff cause nobody tows heavy for hours in 4x4. Also banks is weak design for front diff being exposed to road debrit or off road rocks logs etc.

[@retiredafce3373]

I too like the Banks rear cover!

[@brianandreasen2200]

Quick question what is the difference between using the silicon like you are using and an already prepared maybe silicon or rubber gasket such as a fel-pro gasket for the front and rear diff?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

I feel the silicone gets in all of the grooves and imperfections of the metals vs the gaskets such as you mentioned. I just do not like doing these twice + on top of how expensive the fluid is...

[@brianandreasen2200]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I appreciate the heads up bought my 6.0 last year and using it for towing a fifth wheel for camping and traveling. I think I'll take the silicon route and of course ensure it's motorcraft :). I believe I have to do both front and rear procedure looks the same.

[@wtfd95]

Hello! Really enjoy your in depth instruction on service on the trucks. Question? What is the Motorcraft specification number on that silicone sealant please? Thanks again! 🇺🇸

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Number, like the part number?

[@wtfd95]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Yes please? Motorcraft. Tried to find a Lube Locker Gasket for front and rear differential and couldn’t find it with a search warrant. 😂

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Ta-29

[@wtfd95]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Thanks! You mentioned TA-31 in your video earlier for the front and rear differential sealant. Reason for change? You’re the best!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Ones a squeeze tube

[@timallen1262]

What kind of sealant did you use on the fill plug? TIA!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

PTFE

[@johnnycortez46]

I heard Schaffer oil is good for differentials

[@bobbytaylor6773]

Is the front axle a Dana 60 or Super Dana 60 just in case if I wanted to use a lube locker? I seem to get conflicting info when I look it up on the web. Thanks

[@wtfd95]

Question… Do you only recommend the Motorcraft silicone sealant for the front differential, or what would you use as a replacement or secondary sealant? (i.e. Permatex Blue or red high temp silicone sealant?)

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

The silicone u see me use, it what u r to use.

[@pwayne6923]

Hey Arod, can you use the TA-357 for the differentials? Or does it have to be the TA-31? And also do you put any thread sealer on the fill hole bolt? Thanks

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Yes u can use ta357 & u cld put a lil bit yes

[@GeorgetteMiller]

I bought a 2019 certified pre owned ford ranger, 31k miles a week ago and baby that truck had me under it two days straight…. CPO cars are not what they used to be Rear and front diff fluid 80w90 which had a drain bolt.. thank the Lord Changed fluid in trans case Changed oil Air and cabin filter (filthy) Spark plugs (fouled) Flush brake fluid Changed Front brake pads Checked back rear brakes and the dealer slapped new pads on backwards and rotors were shot.. that was when I had had enough because there was also fiberglass coming out the muffler … WTH 🤦🏾‍♀️ Dropped it back off at dealer and told the to fix it. One would ask why didn’t you check before…certified pre-owned. I’ve bought in the past and no issues. Not anymore

[@armandoruelas3450]

Sooo recently my 2020 F250 Front diff started leaking out the breather tube. I don’t have my hubs locked in or anything shoot I don’t even use my 4WD? Any idea what you think it could be?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Over filled??

[@armandoruelas3450]

@ I have not changed nor added any oil to it… I don’t off-road it as well Ive owned it for about 2-3 years already and shoot probably only used 4WD once

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

@armandoruelas3450 I'm wondering if an ol Charlottes web has half blocked your vent causing it to pressurerize, then kinda gyser out

[@armandoruelas3450]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod hmmm I’m gonna check it out tomorrow and see if it’s clogged or something if it turns out not to be clogged do you think water could’ve got in somehow? Not many answers out there that I can find LOL

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

@armandoruelas3450 ehhhhh not really

[@Mysoulisfree]

I got 2022 f350 dually 4 wd. Do I need to add friction modifier in front axle ? Thanks !!!!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

No

[@triceT6R]

Do you recommend an age/milage to do diff fluid changes at?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Yes 45 50k. Watch our white board maint video

[@triceT6R]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Thanks

[@triceT6R]

Great videos bud. Appreciate you taking the effort to make them.

[@robertle9526]

Thanks for the video, can I use synthetic 80W-90 gear oil on front differential of 2022 super duty? Please advise.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Yes...no tremor tho

[@1bad335i]

Do you recommend putting additive inside the front diff ?

[@davidg4608]

Can anyone recommend the Silicone bead, size on a super duty front end differential like this one I know it’s not rocket science, but would like to know considering it’s my first time doing a cover

[@michaelettinger26]

Arod - what are your thoughts on using 75w90 vs 80w90 in order to go full synthetic? Amsoil offers a syn 80w-90 but it’s tough to get.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

I wldnt see an issue

[@Randy_Savage_ohyeah]

Are these Super Duty's running strait Dana 60 reverse rotation or Dana Super 60? I have a 2013 and believe it's the Dana 60 but am having trouble confirming which it is. Also any thoughts or experience with the Lube Locker gaskets?

[@-R_H]

I know this is 8 months ago but I just used a Lube Locker gasket on the rear and it was great. No issues

[@Randy_Savage_ohyeah]

@@-R_H thanks much....I figured it out. Used lube lockers on front and rear diffs.

[@iwillletyouguess]

What’s ur tag#?

[@Randy_Savage_ohyeah]

@@iwillletyouguess I figured it out...was the Super 60. I changed out the fluids and ised the lube lockers front and rear, no issues at all. Hardest part was cleaning the old sealant off.

[@thecracken9855]

Hey brother quick question. Did you use the Ta-31 on the plug too or something else?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Ptfe

[@thecracken9855]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod 🫡

[@SoTexSmoker]

Bottle says Rear axle lubricant 80w-90, yet you used for front axle. Ok to use it on both front and back?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Yes my friend..

[@timf6916]

Good job

[@jeffkohn5628]

How many Quarts went in front axle?

[@cajun869]

ARod, Do you remember if this Dana 60 have those stupid pockets in the bottom of the pig, like the rear Sterling 10.5"? Or was it designed with common sense and can fully drain out? Thanks for all your videos!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Nope has a lil nook n cranny

[@ethannorthrop9169]

Is the fluid the same for a 21 I would presume?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Yea

[@Crownandkonzert]

Its that a dependent front axle?

[@Dcj01]

How often?

[@jasongriffin1127]

Does Banks have a front differential cover?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

No

[@jasongriffin1127]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARodwhat size Dana is that? Looks 1/2 Ton….

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

I think its a Dana 60. Id have to chk

[@kerrylewis2581]

I wish my 2016 F150 front diff was this easy

[@CadeRoland566]

The hose on top for my truck has dry rot and split of the bottom. Can anyone help me out where that hose leads?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Vent

[@MH60CE]

Excellent video. Subscribed!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Hey thanks pal, welcome. Dont 4get to check out our playlists

[@khaithi]

How did you rinse the differential gears out? - Did you use gasoline for that?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Rinse.....really

[@Lsgriff]

Are all years 80/90? Or do different years take a different weight? I have a 14 that’s why I ask.

[@mark_Hershey]

Arod have you done a transmission change for a 2019 without the drain plug?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Just did 1 friday

[@mark_Hershey]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod we getting a vid from it?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Naw i had already did one with the drain plug. Its virtually the same thing....

[@mark_Hershey]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod did you use the drain plug to drain it? Cause thats cheating.. lol. I’ll look up you vid.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Yeah that 1 had a drain plug but the ones that don't you just start cracking the bolt's loose and let it drain out the back it's not that big of a deal at all

[@lawrencecavens5760]

Hi there, Here's a question - I thought Ford switched to 75W140 for all diffs 80W90 seems old school or am I wrong here...?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

80 90 is for the front

[@michaelfrost2402]

The Ford Manual F 350 6.7 DRW Dana 80 Recommends an additive to the diff fluid. Your thoughts? I didn’t see or hear you mention using any additives. Thanks

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

If u have ELD no additive.....

[@Mysoulisfree]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I have 2022 ford f350 Dually 4 wd do I need to add friction modifier ? Thank you

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Electronic locking diff.

[@JAG6.7]

Can't find your grease fitting maintenance on the superduty

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

My thumbnail is DSTRUCKS 450 with plow in it. Its like 40 minutes

[@JAG6.7]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Thanks ptt

[@JAG6.7]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod found it.

[@nickdiesel8018]

That’s a very quite gun lol

[@imzfox4066]

Why ford don't make a drain plug?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

They do, just not for the 10.5 sterling

[@the1timster]

Noticed you used rear differential guess it doesn’t matter

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Doesnt matter. U need to add friction modifier if you have clutches* in there

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[@nbco55]

Could it be drained through the plug hole? Or are you doing that so any metal shavings that may be there are removed in their entirety?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

E, there is no drain hole..

[@nbco55]

Fill hole, using a vacuum draw and semi-rigid extension hose to get to the bottom of the housing.

[@robspear6004]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I've used an evacuation set up to suck out the oil through the fill hole. Not much room to get the hose past the ring gear, but with a little finagling . . .

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

I suppose so

[@nbco55]

@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod I mainly ask because I used that method to change the transmission fluid in my John Deere's shitty k46 transmission and replaced it with amsoil. And it was like a new transmission afterwards. So I guess it really comes down to getting any metal shavings that may be contaminating the fluid or would a 95% evacuation be even worthwhile and beneficial. Between you and my local diesel mechanic David, I respect your opinion and I also respect the fact that you have to do things according to the book even when sometimes the book is not correct. And I'm referring to your 7.3 silicone versus 6.7 silicone and the manufacturers disconnect on its intended purpose and being around diesel fuel.

[@1savagefisher]

Hey Arod great content as usual. Could use your opinion on what to use for 5R110 fluid?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

What u mean

[@rickketchumn4458]

Love you videos I got 2016 f 250 going to do transmission fluid and filter thinking about put BD diesel transmission silanoid line pressure what do you think about it is it worth it

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

I know nuthin bout that sry pal

[@rickketchumn4458]

Need to check in on it be good video maybe educate us on it thanks

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Good idea

[@imranabbasi7871]

👍

[@projectswithdustin]

How many quarts did it take? and also for the front diff how do you tell what weight to use? Would my 2016 F250 take 80 W90? thanks in advanced.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

I am 100% certain your truck came with an owners manual. All of that info can be found in the capacities section of your manual.

[@lopezdavid888]

Cuanto se cobra por un trabajo de estos?

[@georgelokko4333]

What’s the benefit of draining diff and replacing fluid? Is that what we feel on the steering wheel?

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

🤯

[@jlweck231978]

The benefit is pretty much the same as changing any other fluid. The diff fluid get dirty and contaminated from the wearing of the parts inside. The fluid properties can break down over time too. So the benefit would be to help make the parts last longer. Fluid is a lot cheaper than new parts and not having to deal with a failure and all that goes with that.

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

Fun fact: the easiest way to get a divorce is to come home with used gear oil on your shirt

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😝😝😝😝

[@davestewart9146]

Don’t forget the anti seize to go with the gear oil lol 😂

[@natey891]

Axle fluid be stinkyyyy…I wanna know where to get the grape smelling kind. Heard they make axle fluid that smells like grape

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Whaaaaaa

[@6.7powerstrokeking]

Royal purple Good stuff I use it in all my 6.7 pick em up trucks n my freightliner Remember your wallet stuff is priceeeeeyyyyyy

[@natey891]

Looks like ACDelco makes a grape scented gear oil haha

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Hahahahahahh

[@kevinoneill41]

I just powdercoted my covers and you go and get that silicon goo all over it. WTH

[@davidsalgado6865]

Why don’t you say how much you used how much fluid did you use how much you to end up needing that me some pretty good advice to put on there

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

4qts guy

[@BrianHelmingcomp]

i broke a bolt off :( but I'm just an idiot :)

[@jackcorvin9294]

Didn't say how much it took

[@shutdowngoogle]

He also doesn't know the proper torque specs. Really bad mechanic.

[@robertdavis4184]

30 foot pounds same as the rear

[@davecarroll4086]

Don't mute the air tool noise....gonna make people think you have 👽 tools

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Lmaooooo

[@Garrisonrios]

PowerStroke Tech Talk w/ARod While making my girl friend watch this on the couch with me... she express grave disappointment in there being not air tool noise lol

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

😂😭😝😭😂😭😝🤣😝😭😂

[@daddydiesel5889]

I like uga duga too

[@JohnSmith-lw2bm]

Just did both on my 2016 super duty at 70k miles. Only change was i used lucas oils and their pump. Sealant has to sit and cure. No joke there. - Gear oil STINKS!! Yuck.

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Si

[@mojo4376]

Wouldn’t it have been easier just to use the nipples on the bottles to fill it?

[@michaelallen2870]

You didnt know the torque spec? or just couldnt say in the video? WILD

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Neither. I didn't torque because I've done this job NINE hundred times. I know when it's tight. ....it's not a lug nut.....

[@shutdowngoogle]

You're supposedly a mechanic and you don't know the torque specs and you're expecting someone to just put in the comments section for you. That's really scary! Nobody should be taking their vehicles to you!

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

Get bent google boy, YOU clearly cannot read between the lines. Cheerio mister know it all

[@Rider-nb5ts]

So dumb they don’t put in drain plugs