Peace At Last! The Last Dark Fog Base Fall | MAX DIFFICULTY | #12 | Dyson Sphere Program | Lets Play

[@donbionicle]

Three episodes of robot carnage, and the world is yours. Well played Nilaus. Now, to see what the fleet can do...

[@tristen9736]

Also would really like to hear your thoughts on how the Dark Fog has been implemented. Maybe a retrospective episode at the end of the series

[@MrJay_White]

watched to decide if i want to buy... strategy is too shallow. foe are too weak to long range missiles and overly passive about pushing sensor towers used to attack them. some sort of jammer cwis combo that gets bonuses to destroying missiles the further they are fired from, no high alpha siege units to counter tower creep, a modifier to aggro distance based on how many turrets the sensors can call on. like the devs want the same audience as factorio but shooting bots instead of bugs, making the combat a bigger part of the game but without improving the combat.

[@doctort2853]

@@MrJay_Whitethis game is still in early access and more combat stuff will come out. It is incredibly difficult to make the combat 3D with planets and systems so get some patience :) the game even without the enemy is fun enough for me so anything above that is a bonus

[@doctort2853]

@@MrJay_Whitestrategy against the dark fog is currently shallow I agree but the hard part is skipped here. It is difficult to manage all the power and production while defending on a planet with 0.5x or even 0.1x resources. Nilaus took care of the hard part and only showcased the actual interaction. Maybe try you own playthrough before commenting like this😊

[@Khaim.m]

​@@MrJay_WhiteLet's be honest, bugs in Factorio were super basic as well for a very long time. DSP is probably ahead of the curve already comparatively. And combat isn't the main focus anyways, it's logistics, which DSP does quite well.

[@Yerocregnes]

@@MrJay_White I really wouldn't recommend DSP if you're looking for an RTS or TD. It's a factory game first and foremost, the combat is more an interesting side bit

[@merendell]

I personally kept a zoo on one of my starter planets. had 3 bases in a fairly tight cluster along with... well a mess close to what you've been fighting I capped all but those 3 and then built a ring of laser defenses around them. The lasers and bases are just far enough away to not get shot or shoot at the buildings but wipe out anything that gets leaves the fog base. I setup signal towers in such a way that the missles will only firesupport if the enemy starts geting to my defensive wall. This limits the amount of ammo I expend, 90% is just pure energy. I'm getting a nice supply of drops filtering out of the wall and if the drops filter is right I should start seeing unipolar magnets soon. They've been on ignore for quite a few hours while I've setup strip mining, smelting collums and factories accross the starting system. Planin to start pushing out to other systems soon.

[@Alavaria]

Lol, when the enemy is charging you, but the rockets are coming from BEHIND them, as the turrets are actually closer to their back, on the other side of the planet. Amazing.

[@BMO_Creative]

Wow! Biters eat your hearts out! LOL Dark swarm is crazy stuff!

[@michaelforrey1030]

Watching this live on Twitch was a joy. Thank you for such an engaging series!!!

[@TheZombieSaints]

Nicely played sir! That was great to watch

[@Gazer75]

Manually targeting the core of the bases and getting that down first is much faster. The range of Meca is pretty good when doing manual shooting. The rest of the connected items will not function after the core is down, which means less attackers and no lasers.

[@doctort2853]

The range of mech is good but it still doesn’t outrange the static defense from dark fog. And going in alone is difficult. Also with the amount of stuff in there, clicking on the core itself is a challenge. I don’t think it will work in an early game of (near) max difficulty

[@technocracy90]

I discovered you're relatively safe when you're not flying. Dark Fog defense turrets might not gonna target you behind the horizon, but your missiles can get the target.

[@doctort2853]

@@technocracy90 safer yes but you also can’t shoot them from too far because of planet curvature. If you fly up, shoot and land they can shoot back once they target-lock onto you.

[@Gazer75]

@@doctort2853 Yes it does. I've cleared many of these bases doing this. You can shoot just over the horizon and hit the top of the core. It will agro the ships, but I have towers and rockets to take out those.

[@doctort2853]

@@Gazer75 emmm I have tried too and I get hit by towers even after 3-4 seconds of running away the towers don’t normally shoot the mech but if you hit their structures they kinda do. What level of bases are you taking out and what ammo are you using?

[@deanlawson6880]

Wow what a great action episode! Congrats on reclaiming the planet for the Good Guys!! Great Episode - Thanks for this Nilaus!

[@Bolku94]

'inhale' oof... watching this was a little bit exhausting :D keep it going, love watching it every evening

[@owlman145]

I feel like the space hives should be way more reactive to planetary bases being destroyed at max difficulty. At least they reacted, at lower difficulties they are basically passive and of no concern.

[@japaroads]

I think that will happen once orbital construction and combat is better implemented. The devs said they’ve nerfed space dark fog for now until they add in more tools for us to use against them.

[@plastictouch6796]

That is just because he isn't attacking the platforms. Not attacking the platforms allows the fog to keep the matter collected and use it in the hive. So by not attacking the platforms you are letting them build more ships which makes it harder later. That's why in the next video it is a war of attrition against the swarms because they have an insane amount of resources. Furthermore if the swarm does end up attacking you before you have planetary shields you end up decimated, it sets you back tremendously and would make the game unplayable. It's really easy to end up in a death spiral where your factory and guns are destroyed and so you can't defend against the ground assaults and so you keep getting destroyed and so on. Giving the player a meaningful option which makes it take longer for them to attack is a good thing. The swarms are really strong and obliterating everything on your planet and there is no counterplay until you get shields. Furthermore, I think it's understated how fast and efficient nilhaus has been in the series. I've been following along in my own game with what he has been doing and it has taken me like 10 more hours to get to the same point he is at utilizing the same methods. By now the swarms have attacked me multiple times. The first time was just barely as I was getting my shields up and so it was a crazy race against time to get a shield over my hub so I could rebuild stuff.

[@thrawn01]

I'm really enjoying this series! Thank you for the regular uploads, I enjoy them!

[@BeEasyKlockwork]

Love this play threw, please keep it up. Been awesome I kinda want to start new and try more difficult playthrew. But I figure I have to get more knowledge of end game stuff under my belt first. Very entertaining love it.

[@aimozg]

You could rush to corvettes and snipe the relays. And if you do it in remote system, DF punishment fleet won't even have a base to burn, wonder what they'd do.

[@Nilaus]

I am barely on Yellow science, so totally not an option

[@aimozg]

@@Nilaus I think it is. Purple can be unlocked on early yellow science, corvettes are 600 purple with no prerequisites, and the science cubes themselves are mostly silicon (can get from stone) and nanotubes (ugh!). Ground bases have no space defense and you just kill their relays, leaving them powerless, only with whatever units they had - and an angry punishment fleet flying to your homeworld, but that's solvable. So I believe this is a solid strategy for clearing 3rd planet and onwards. I'm playing on max difficulty + x0.1 resources and have a similar system (20+ bases on lava planet which I'm clearing right now), and likely won't be able to afford such massive assaults (copper is as valuable as gold).

[@CharlieSmithJr]

Best attack video I’ve ever seen thank you!!!

[@Italianburrito]

That's some tenacity. Bring the heat!

[@mr.rabbit5642]

Im 99% certain the Space Fleet armada didn't /actually/ attack you last episode. They did launch the offence, indeed, but tracking the fleet distance marker makes me think they didn't arrive. Propably their trajectory was parralell to the tangent of orbit at the point you were at. You can see it never got below 0.6AU (which is quite a distance yet - 24km, so running around the planet wouldn't impact it). They prolly couldn't catch up (but were too close to using warp), gave up and called the attack off. Also, there's almost no way we wouldn't notice big ass space vessels orbiting the planet as they don't just come and hover around your base.

[@mr.rabbit5642]

..or, once the attack commences they are sent to a point in you're currently at (not at the planet), so they arrived at the initial location, found none of your buildings (in freefloat in space XD) and called it a day.

[@mr.rabbit5642]

Neither they did in this episode. Since 12:07 all until 15:00 when the entire attack ends you can see the marker stays in AU units (0.64AU at 14:35, which is as far as Wichu III at 18:27). Idk now if the plant trajectory matters tbh. Maybe you're just too far from the hive base

[@doctort2853]

It did😂 it just went to his homeworld instead of this lava planet because it produce more power there. And it got vaporized by his missile turrets

[@doctort2853]

It doesn’t work that way, the fleet will come to a planet, and won’t go back unless there is nothing for them to destroy, or they destroyed enough stuff

[@mr.rabbit5642]

@@doctort2853 oh, okay, yeah. That kinda explains both "attacks" in both videos (including the previous one) coz we haven't seen them, nor the aftermath. I assumed since they are triggered by , that they would go to stop , not visit your home and vandalize your BMW in retaliation 😂

[@stevebolton8471]

Great series

[@lesgibson3658]

Wow, incredible!

[@danielhoover5169]

I find it hilarious yet rather instructive how at around 14:30 you say "Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer" just as another one of your planets 0.63 AU away is defending an attack by 30 dark fog vessels while you remain blissfully ignorant. Good thing your caution was sufficient, your confidence was not misplaced, and nothing was destroyed!

[@VIP-ry6vv]

I carry with me an Inquisitorial Seal. It is a small, unassuming object contained in a neat box of Pluvian obsidian. It is a modest thing, relatively plain, adorned with a single motif and a simple motto. Yet with this little object I can sign the death warrant of an entire world...

[@coyjin]

I have no doubt who will come out on top, but I am here for the ride.

[@cellfire7907]

does putting the power gen down cause the batteries to discard at full speed? 10:28

[@SalvaBarbus]

Seems like experience, being aggressive, and not letting hives go to level 17/18 was the key to a successful invasion.

[@spastastic4507]

Holy moley, I've been watching this series, and I just cant wait for the next episode. Should I wait for all the episodes so I can watch them back to back, or watch them daily after work so I can enjoy the evenings with some Nilaus optimizing numbers.

[@williamhuhn9221]

Well cleared

[@coyjin]

NILAUS will we see a master class and break down of the different defense and weapon systems? and you preferred strategies?

[@TheseAreWeirdTimes]

"You did well, Lord Nilaus". 😉

[@voltwarriors6354]

I love your vídeos ❤

[@Русич-т6п]

Great adrenaline movie!

[@matthewdebeer8453]

What was the reasoning behind keeping the winding path all over the planet, instead of removing all the towers and baps back to the fortresses and then taking the shortest path to the df bases? Just too much effort to deal with all the drops/resources in the baps?

[@miragegaming984]

Looks stressful. I'll get around to playing this again sometime this year.

[@predur4136]

STUPENDO I already miss the anxiety and carnage part... let's now see what awaits us

[@explodingyoshi1540]

He missed the space attack again I think they’re attacking his home planet because i never saw the vessels the number just lowered

[@Mirality]

I wonder if, rather than evicting the relay station, it might be better to keep it there while you're clearing the planet. As far as I'm aware, when you evict a station it returns to the space hive to refill and then immediately travels back -- not always to the same planet, but often. And because you don't have full infrastructure set up yet, it would successfully establish another base. I think it might be more effective to clear the buildings but leave the station there, just keeping a signal tower chain or a gauss/implosion turret bank nearby to clean up whenever it rebuilds. Then, once you've cleared all the bases, you build the shield and/or tower full coverage, and only then evict all the stations, such that they won't be able to return. There's still a bit of a race since they'll eventually leave on their own if they exhaust their matter, but unless I'm missing something it sounds more reliable.

[@tristen9736]

I've got a feeling repair will get nerfed because some of the stuff you can facetank is insane

[@joneydew4739]

I'm pretty sure that facetanking is the only viable strategy, I can't think of any way of dealing with hives that doesn't involve it.

[@doctort2853]

@@joneydew4739shooting the relay station from afar doesn’t require facetanking

[@QiuQiuChannel-ni3xj]

This bring bad memories of me try to hold 20 fog base attacking at the same time can only hold for 30 mnt before being over run ( while space fog keep firing my base ), forced to retreat shamelessly😢

[@kolicgames4750]

It seems to me that once you've destroyed all the current bases in the system, it might we worthwhile to destroy any new orbital ships to trigger attack waves. Since they shouldn't be able to rebuild lost ships this will effectively send their ships piece-meal into your missile defenses. Obviously, everything important should be covered by planetary shields.

[@axl160]

Why dont you use supernovas on the turrets, it makes killing enemies and based so much faster.

[@12463trf]

This series has inspired me to take on the challenge ase well lol. I have just stabilized, but honestly I had to reload 2x, fighting off 3 level 10 bases out of the gate is ROUGH 😅

[@12463trf]

I was defeated. They kept coming from 3 different angles, and burned my copper reserves down. i was not able to handle it. gonna try again but another planet and shimmy up closer, so i HOPEFULLY only have to defend 1 side

[@Empire385]

Yea, You have to walk closer and build your initial base close to them so they only attack from one direction. Also, handcraft literally everything until you're ready to fight the first wave.@@12463trf

[@MrSaywutnow]

Curious to see how long it will take to sort the loot from this conquest.

[@javierzurera986]

He does it automagically so not much

[@MrSaywutnow]

@@javierzurera986It would still take time for all that loot to get fed into the sorting system he created.

[@victorcaldera249]

bruh there was another space hive attack and you didn’t even notice

[@08047870]

wont ading another power source make your bateris run out faster like you explained few episodes ago before atacking

[@OldGamerScott]

Pax Nilaus

[@hesthatguy]

The KZbin compression algorithm really was not kind to this video.

[@matthewwright57]

Please go take a look at your home planet, last time I spent an hour doing this, the hive sent those banished bases to my home world!

[@paulelderson934]

Isn't the home world completely covered in signal yet? Would be funny if he moved their towers to his home planet

[@matthewwright57]

@@paulelderson934 It could be, Id have to check, they found some holes in mine and blew up my power array while I was off planet lol. I have PTSD.

[@chuipi]

honestly this game needs bigger ships you can control or even mobile platforms to build in space

[@teck0475]

Great work but it seems very easy for hard mode and a bit of a wast of resources all the loot they drop should be used in my opinion it's a new game not just mine and build anymore but to each there own it's a game after all

[@ingiford175]

Here we go....

[@michaelbamert8402]

Hey Nilaus, i have a Question... i playing simular settings like you, so dark fog is a liiiiiiiiiitle bit easyer but i have minimum ressources (also around 1800% metadata). whatever: What i dont understand, specially on the lava planet for example: Why do you kill everything? I Mean, u can set up the 2 "hubs" for example, leave the other 16 bases there and enjoy the free ressources? or will they get so strong, that they overrun you?

[@doctort2853]

I think he wants to use the entire lava planet to set up a new main bus line? Also prepared to starve the hives in this system so it is easier to kill them when he has his Dyson sphere up and running. The drop is negligible once you get a production line going and the only thing that is really valuable is those you can’t yet mine/produce. But in order to get any of those he would need to wait for too long so the dark fog get more levels.

[@aimozg]

it is annoying with constant notifications and makes a sizable chunk of a planet unusable

[@boltactoinbarney]

I'm so tired of fighting DF. I have cleansed my system so many times. I said effit. Put them on dummy. Once you clean out a system, land and space. They should not come back. My opinion. Next playthrough will be no combat.

[@prasaadii]

Yo

[@NameHierEinfuegenNr1]

This should be episode 12 not 11

[@geruru1]

I think you forgot to change your title to be #12 instead of #11 again 😅

[@gammaphil]

You could have just turned the dark fog off in the settings. That would have been easier, no? /s

[@ireallychosethisname]

your poor bit rate lol