Pedro Valente reacts to Ryron Gracie x André Galvão

[@kenshinfight]

The truth is Andre Galvao would probably tap 90% of all the black belts in the planet with 20 minutes on the clock. That said, he couldn't tap out Ryron. That's an achievement in itself where I'm standing. Can anyone one here survive Andre's attack for 20 minutes? Probably not. So if you cannot see that Ryron had a good mindset coming in to this match knowing the statistics of Galvao, your not thinking deep enough. And for the self defense situation, Ryron would fare pretty well in the streets because the average person on the streets will not possess even 20% of the skill set of Galvao. If you would ask me, an average man on the streets, I would love to learn what Ryron possesses! 10 years without competing on the level of Andre, and yet survives, sign me up!

[@jiujitsuboy]

Exactly, such a good performance from Ryron

[@nstv23]

mark barretto man great words. If people cannot see that on their own don’t even bother. Straight dummies!

[@SomoshiphopRadio]

@@jiujitsuboy 2023 and still the dopes match of 2012!

[@FitimMustafa001]

To all those who are writing smack about Ryron's game in the recent match, I dare you to go to Valente Brothers Miami and test your skills against some of the guys there; and let me know how you did. Ryron's game is not of the aggressive nature, that is just the way he rolls, I know this because I have rolled with him. Now, don't be mistaken, there are a lot of guys at the Valente academy that are former olympians and world champs in striking and takedown sports who possess the Jiu Jitsu skills taught by Pedro, I bet you wouldn't want to mess with those guys. The Valente's is one of the only gyms in the U.S. that has their students start the roll standing (now that's realistic compared to the starting on the knees BS elsewhere). Andre Galvao had all the time to submit Ryron but he couldn't, he gased out and if the match had gone on for just a little longer Galvao would've been submitted easily. The Valente Brothers and the Gracie Academy in Torrence have the best Jiu Jitsu curriculum and teaching in the states and in the world.

[@jamiegee123]

" if the match had gone on for just a little longer Galvao would've been submitted easily." The match was 20 minutes long... how much longer did Ryron need? What ever the time limit andre would have adjusted his pace. Great quote from the american gangster "If your not tired by the end of the match you never tried hard enough" Ryron was just defending the whole time, Andre dominated! Self defence blah blah by ryron andre would kick his ass in the street too

[@musacpuerto]

I've trained at Valentes and no disrespect but brown belts were at the level of a three stripe blue. I wasn't impressed. Seemed like the instructors knew this and limited rolling because of it. Black belts would turn into teaching mode when you started beating them.

[@garrygarry3371]

So many people missing the point!! Every fight needs a strategy. Ryron's strategy was to humiliate him for the first 15 minutes by letting him do anything he wants and watching it all fail before his eyes, meanwhile wasting so much energy. After the 15 minutes he was starting to attack and up the pace. Everyone who is unbiased can see how good the strategy was. Look at the attitudes of both men's after the fight, says it all really.

[@MrSupertwo]

Thank you for posting these videos! Your sharing of knowledge is invaluable!

[@oscarmaldonado2826]

Amazing interpretation of Ryron's strategy and The Gracie Jujitsu philosophy.

[@WilliSchwartz]

I met the Valente Brothers once. Such nice guys. If I lived close to their gym, I would join them for sure.

[@Nostrum19]

yeah you would join them for sure,until you see their pricing lmaoo

[@rourke03]

i really appreciated everything at metamoris. loved watching ryron in his match. I wish i could see him do more like this and hope metamoris continues. i think what is one of the most impressive things about him is his calm. I feel that if you truly appreciate jiu jitsu and history, then you have to have the utmost respect for him. he's a beast. i hope to one day get to train with him

[@symbioticproductions2591]

I think ryron is good, I think Andre is good. But watching the fight I believe ryron had the chance catching him in a submission forwards the end. Good fight it wasZ

[@TheArtofGuitar]

But in a street fight you might lose by an advantage point. ;)

[@zapkif]

I'd love to see a Gracie breakdown video for the Ryron vs. Galvao fight to see of the subtle specifics of how Ryron avoided submissions after Galvao passed his guard

[@powerboon2k]

do any of the haters even do bjj?

[@SundarBJJ]

Never! There's no time to train when you spend all your time h8ing. :-D

[@emanuelhern6329]

Thank you, for this video.

[@garden_hooligan]

Thank you for posting this analysis. Ryron highlighted a strategy, one that often gets lost, or overshadowed, by the tournament/mma mindset -- surviving the attack and escaping. Perhaps, that is all he was trying to do ... just as Royce does today with wearing a navy/blue belt ... start a discussion about the approaches being taken today.

[@clonemercenary376]

Well said Professor..................... I agree with you completely. And by the way.......I want to thank you and your family for carrying on Helio Gracie's Legacy................... best wishes

[@lam62sw]

The problem with Ryron's performance is not Ryron's performance but a lack of appreciation among some of the audience who lacked the underlining philosophy Ryron was using. Great explanation Pedro. Ryron performance was very impressive not to take anything away from Galvao.

[@chris_2113]

Oh, and source for my comment on Ryron/André's weights - BJJ Heroes and their respective articles.

[@denverstapleton7621]

i practice punch blocks regularly, and roll regularly (cause its fun and benefits cardio), but the fight sims are what i train for... its just what you focus on in your training. if you focus on sport, thats where you will excel, focus on self defense, you get better at that... no art will guarantee you anything. bottom line. confidence is another thing that helps to benefit your "street" applicability...

[@ishkabibble2204]

Interesting fact...Andre's teacher was Luis Dagmar. Dagmar's teacher was Osvaldo Alves. Alves' teacher was a Gracie (Reyson, son of Carlos Gracie).

[@MichaelPecero]

Mark Tennehouse is completely right. It showed very ineffectual skills. Effort like that would EVER work in the streets. He simply get beat up in the process of laying there.

[@profd65]

+Michael Pecero Lol, in the streets you're not fighting Andre Galvao; you're fighting an idiot who doesn't know the first thing about fighting. If you want to argue with this, watch any of the hundreds of street fight videos on KZbin. Ryron Gracie would put the average "tough guy" to sleep in about thirty seconds.

[@agarplayer]

TK421ps 1 second

[@SurveyofFilmMusic]

Pedro is a great spokesperson, period!

[@MrMZaccone]

Exceptionally well said.

[@fitzerg]

Only IF you are a strong guy! But what if you are weaker? Smaller? Out classed? Things like this can happen. The strategy is to survive just like what Helio Gracie said: "If you dont lose you can only win."

[@perrypelican9476]

Very well explained.

[@linuxisbetter0]

So...he's saying Galvao got knee on belly, mount, side control. And the fact the Gracie was able to defend against a sub is a testament to self defense? "who is to say he wouldnt be able to get out if knees and punches were allowed?". Good question. We dont know. But if self defense matters--in a street fight, that person probability to get punched or killed is WAY higher.

[@scarred10]

i havent been to a barra school in 2 years but if they have self defense its more recent than that.Bear in mind that if your not sparring with strikes its not self defnse,just doing a few headlock and bearhugs isnt self defense.As i said only valente miami and torrance (and affiliates now) really adress self defense,barra does nothing except some as a white belt and its totally forgotten after that for sport bjj.Youre right that bjj is only a part of self defense.

[@SAINThoodSEEKER]

Prof. Valente's ideas make perfect sense. Why is the same debate being had on every related video page again and again...especially in a post UFC 1,2,3 fight world?

[@poolboyinla]

Is he wearing a karate gi or jiu-jitsu gi?

[@SundarBJJ]

He's wearing a 1930's era Kodokan Judo gi (from which classical Gracie JJ is derived). Google "Robert Drysdale BJJ History" if you'd like to learn more-- it's a fascinating subject.

[@sigmarho4744]

who are you to say that it won't work in real fight? the video says it all...Again let be reminded everybody here who are against the strategies ryron just demonstrated....BJJ was not developed by the gracies to win points or an advantage but to survive in real worst case scenarios not to win but to survive and not beat up...so comparing the conventional BJJ competition to the real BJJ or GJJ mindset is irrelevant...

[@lastdeezylastdon]

this guys lecture is from the nineties, also there are rules, if there were striking like a real fight, andre was in a better position and showed dominant position the whole time

[@m477h3]

Andre took Ryron down,passed his guard,mounted,he dominated the match!!! BUT,the most important element in JJ went missing, THE SUBMISSION !

[@inkoholicanonymus6182]

Yeah you right Andre won that streetfight by 2 Points!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ericbordner-clark6113]

actually if this was a real fight, there would be biting, headbiting, pulling, gouging and every other dirty trick. accepting your position and surviving in it is actually a smart decision being a weaker person. most fights are an explosiveness of adrenaline and after its done with, that person is exhausted. if you can survive that, then your chances of leaving that situation rise greatly. real life is not mma rules. real life is about survival no matter what

[@poolmagician03]

Respect to Jiu Jitsu all around the world, but in the defense of boxing, how many times has a Gracie/Machado/Etc Laced up the Boxing gloves and went 12 rounds with a Pro Boxer in their weight class. Boxers have challenged Jiu Jitsu guys on their terms/rules, but how many Jiu Jitsu guys have faced the boxers on their terms/rules, being in the boxing ring with boxing gloves, etc. I respect both arts/ train both arts. I love Pedro Sauer/ Gracie Jiu jitsu, but I have mad respect for boxing.

[@inkoholicanonymus6182]

???????????????Lol

[@truthguy7577]

That's true, but BJJ is all about position before submission. And seeing how Ryron was NEVER in position, he couldn't mount an attack. Therefore, he wasn't going for the win either. He was clearly going for the tie and that's why people are complaining. Everyone, including myself, wanted to see his BJJ at its best.

[@scarred10]

actually,gjj has no other effective option except to take it to the ground,thats its weakness as a stand alone system.The standing part of bjj is its least effective portion because they cant test it with full resistance.Preemptive striking is the most effective option for the street,for multiple attackers as well.

[@LJSJIUJITSU]

I believe the Valente brothers are excellent reps for jiu-jitsu. However I have one question and am hoping anyone from that school could explain. Why are there sleeves so short on their gi's? It looks like their students take up the same style also.

[@marc6917]

because bjj came from jui-jitsu which shares ancestry with judo which is japanese. and the japanese wear short sleeves

[@0713mas]

Well said!

[@KingPawn3d]

But isn't the fact that he did get a tie and not a loss proves that he's showing his BJJ at its best? He's showing how he managed to defend against one of the best BJJ fighters in the world who kept trying to go for the submission all the time during the fight.

[@jims512]

Great explanation

[@begrackled]

That's a pretty solid endorsement right there.

[@Mokkari77]

Roroion tried to copyright the Gracie name and logo, and tried to put Rickson in contract under him thats why Rickson never fought in America and why their cousin Carley Gracie sued Rorion,,, they say Rorion was always in Rolls's shadow thats why he went to America the best Gracies now,,, are Roger and Kron ,,, Everybody only Roger can beat Marcelo or Jacarre ,,,

[@RedKingdom9]

The gracie has been doing this for 60 years.....I'll go with their oppinion

[@MarlinsPhinsHeat13]

Good video. good points.

[@truthguy7577]

At Gracie Barra, the largest BJJ organization in the world, we have self-defense in the the fundamentals class. My experience when visiting other schools is that while they do train self-defense but their focus is sport since it what drives the school. Like many BJJ people, I don't buy into this whole sport vs street BJJ thing. Real self-defense is beyond what any BJJ offers. The rest is just marketing.

[@poolmagician03]

Mix someone with great boxing skills and decent Jiu jitsu defensive/offensive skills and in a street fight against a pure jiu jitsu guy, the jiu jitsu guy = knocked out, in my opinion. I have trained Gracie jiu jitsu for the past 8 years & boxing at a boxing only gym for the past 1.5 years. To me, once's ability to make accurate decisions goes out the window, if they train strictly jiu jitsu and get punched in the face. I feel much safer on the street, having trained both arts. I Respect both =

[@fatmelonn]

I totally agree with Pedro

[@beto1276]

amen!!!! professor valente

[@scarred10]

theyve been doing it for 87 yrs but they dont have a monopoly on the truth about self defense,in fact the effectiveness of bjj is built on organised match fights with agreed rules like no interference,no weapons,no bite,no gouge,this isnt self defnse in its entireity

[@sigmarho4744]

ryron let him pass his guard and be mounted on purpose esp. in the beginning of the fight just so to demonstrate and educate people how to survive in that kind of situation you just have to be patient and aware and not explodes and waste unnecessary energy in the process...what the use of dominant position if you can't finished the fight, right?

[@betaodantas]

True!!

[@aper422]

galvao didnt that either. he just laid in side control and didnt do much. i think he was expecting to tap ryron with ease but no dice

[@cartmansr5]

Having said that Ryron played within the rules...metamoris and metamoris rules only. What he did won't Work in a real fight or in a jiu jitsu competion.

[@sigmarho4744]

Of coarse if there is striking involve these will be address accordingly....but what's the use of dominant position if you can't even finished the fight?in these case this shouldn't be called dominant positions...

[@Chakratese]

They never talk about it?...how do you explain this... /watch?v=Vyyrpjm49hA then?

[@DirektorMK]

OK. If you don't want to debate rationally, I won't waste my time.

[@shanethemainman]

Whats with the Karate kick to the head in there logo?

[@FidelVentura138]

+shane themainman This logo is from a famous picture of their father throwing a kick at Helio while training.

[@EternalLearner]

how short are the sleeves of his gi??? i couldnt focus, they were pretty much at his elbows!

[@skarhead7597]

Why would they need to be longer ? They're in Miami

[@scarred10]

firstly,grappling of any kind is a bad choice for the street and secondly if you have to grapple ,you should finish and get away quick,i dont know what world outside a match fight you could hold someone in guard for 30 mins on a pavement somewhereand not get bitten,knifed or kicked by friends of the attacker.Ive done bjj for 15 yrs.

[@thomasc7026]

Absolutely true

[@DirektorMK]

Why is it whenever Valente and the Gracies talk about worst case scenario and "street fight", they NEVER talk about a situation with multiple opponents? What, those things don't happen in Brazil? Because you can't claim you have the "most complete system of self defense" without covering those situations(which are more than common). And what good is Ryron's strategy against that?

[@RedKingdom9]

If you know BJJ then you know whats it for.....If you don't want to take it to the ground, then just run away and go home....BJJ is for when it does go to the ground....The first rule is to prevent confrontation

[@DirektorMK]

I saw this video after posting, my bad. Unfortunately it's a very bad video. They share the advice everybody knew before, and basically admit that they have no techniques against multiple opponents, which other arts DO have. And their lie about needing to know GJJ to be able to do quick armlocks and getting up from the ground is really revolting.

[@michaelainsworth8645]

uh... there were no points so all his attacks count for nothing as long as he doesnt catch him. thts why its was called a sub only tournament.

[@elcriticonomega]

a best defense is the best offense

[@truthguy7577]

Well, maybe that's because you've never trained at other academies. I've visited a lot of BJJ schools across the US and most of them have self-defense BJJ as well as sport BJJ. Also, what Ryron was doing was NOT Gracie fight philosophy. He was just demonstrating one aspect of GJJ: survival. Street BJJ DOES NOT teach you to let others pass your guard, mount you try to attack you. Instead, it teaches you to defend your position and get to better positions.

[@marcomachado1576]

Ryron it’s not Hélio Gracie . He’s the same size as Andre

[@SomoshiphopRadio]

Still Galvao couldn't do shit lol

[@2submit]

probably shrunk you know how it is with gi's when theyare 3 -4 years

[@MrMZaccone]

If Gracie lost, then why was it declared a draw? (Can't wait for the answer on this one.)

[@solickkin5551]

Tidak ada poin.

[@KingPawn3d]

but the rule of that match was submission only, you don't get points if you land in a dominant position. he followed a game plan that is suitable for that match. you think he would be dumb enough to follow the same strategy in a real fight? or points-based match? of course he would change his game plan.

[@RedKingdom9]

NO Martial Art could stop weapons, or multiple opponents, jiu jitsu is the most EFFECTIVE street self defense....there is no other......also, where do u get your sources?

[@madbowler6]

what in the world is with that karate gi with those short ass sleeves he's wearing?

[@scarred10]

ryron hasnt competed in 10 yrs,he weighs more than that now,galvao fought adcc at under 87/88 kg,ryron did very well but didnt win

[@MrMZaccone]

If Andre dominated the match, then why was it a draw? (Watch the answer I get on this one).

[@scarred10]

ive been to bjj schools in the states since the late 90s and virtually done did bjj sparring with strikes except torrance and valente miami,without that its not self defense at all,even ricksons did no self defnse sparring at all,just grappling and some unresisted self defnse moves.After white belt you dont even do self defense moves at all,its all sport in 99% of schools.

[@scarred10]

no doubt mma is a better preparation than any gjj,but its not bjj is it?its a mixed style,its the intensity of the training that makes it better and the more rounded style.However,it would take yrs to be a decent mma fighter v maybe a year to be able to use gjj effectively v untrained people.MMA trains for skilled opponents,youl rarely meet that in reality.

[@danielruggiero1419]

maybe

[@aper422]

id rather have a good defense then a balls to the wall approach and gas out.

[@SAINThoodSEEKER]

....and Bingo was his name-o

[@MrMZaccone]

MMA is better preparation? For what? Only for MMA.

[@luchador1764]

Define "street fight".

[@MrMZaccone]

Yup.

[@sigmarho4744]

what kind of skill level your saying by winning tournaments on POINTS or ADVANTAGE? BJJ was not develop in winning points in the first place, this was develop to survive a person in a worst case scenarios..Obviously you have different mentality your geared to points system that's why you look it that way but it's not wrong..but when a guy like ryron demonstrating and educating people on how to survive in that kind of worst situations is priceless...

[@areitomusic]

Correct.

[@sigmarho4744]

huh?is this for me? I'm lost

[@Mokkari77]

Carlson and his Brazilian Top Team Ricardo Liborio , Mario Sperry , Wallid Ismael was the thorn in Gracies Name and only Rolls and Rickson could defend the Familly now Brazilian Jiu Jitsu belongs to the world not just Gracies or Rorion's Patent on the Gracie name or Logo

[@mmend024]

obviously no martial art can stop a knife or a bullet. the point is to evade the attack... not run through it lmfao.

[@errcoche]

The point missed by this guy is that Ryron inappropriately used the platform of Metamoris as an advertisement for his wares - self defense with no attempt at offense. The event was supposed to be submission grappling competition not a defensive grappling exhibition. What he showed is that if strikes are not allowed and the gi is worn, an attacker, even a skilled one, can be negated. The issue is that a lot of people wanted an honest competition between two SUBMISSION specialists and Ryron and Rener did a bait and switch with a segue into some shameless self promotion. They are slick alright but more as snake oil salesman than martial artists.

[@bluechip17]

I really respect Andre Galvao, but no one was stopping him from submitting Ryon Gracie. Strategy is a part of all battles.

[@Drumzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Wrong, the last 5-7 minutes ryron was attacking and andre was pulling guard. His strategy was working, he just ran out of tim

[@pendejo6466]

Ed McGuigan I'm not that cynical, but I would like to see both guy hunt for the submission from the very beginning. This wasn't a street fight, and there was a time limit, so they should have went for broke, which Andre did.

[@pendejo6466]

***** Yes, but if you look at the marketing for this event in the very beginning, Metamoris heavily advertised on the aggressive nature of this competition. As much as we hate the point system, it does more to discourage the "win by not losing" and play for a draw strategy.

[@pendejo6466]

***** I don't think Ryron is a fake at all--far from it--he's a very skilled practitioner and by all appearances, an excellent teacher. I'll say it again, the marketing AND the rules for the event were designed with the aggressive pursuit of submissions in mind. The intent is to FINISH your opponent without the benefit of judges or a point system. In this light, Galvao was the only one who fought with integrity. No one is saying that Ryron's techniques would not work or be beneficial in a survival/street fight scenario.

[@b6633706]

ummm have u ever herd of ezekeil choke, the cross choke, the clock choke that bullshit lapel choke andre went for the entire match which normally works but not against a Helio Gracie legit 6th deg. Blackbelt Ryron knew that choke was commin as soon as andre pulld out Ryrons lapel wen the match started, But I digress Gogoplata from the mount ect. theres hella dominate pos submissions kimoras, americanas rear naked chokes tha list goeson &on strikes r just distractions to openup 4better grappling

[@chris_2113]

Some perspective: Ryron Gracie fights at 82kg, Galvao at 88kg. He was not fighting a heavyweight twice his size as Helio Gracie did. He was also not competing in a vale tudo fight, but a form of sport jiu jitsu. His defence was superb, but as far as I'm concerned Galvao won that fight - he was constantly attacking, whereas it seemed that Ryron didn't even look for submission opportunities from the guard. That being said, just my opinion.

[@RedKingdom9]

Give me 1 other martial art that is street effective and has not been sent home by gracie jiu jitsu

[@backwardwalker]

I read all of your replies to my comments. I really think it's funny to hear all of the personal attacks which are sooo childish. If you're going to bother replying, at least try to focus on the topic, and don't waste effort on meaningless personal attacks. . I speak honestly when I say that Ryron did almost nothing the entire fight. Ask yourself this: If he had the ability to escape and go on the attack, why didn't he do it? There was NO EVIDENCE he could do it. If supposedly, he had the ability to improve his position, he never did it. If you look at other grapplers in similar situations, ALL of them would fight to equalize the positional dominance. Ryron DID NOT. He stayed in extremely weak positions where he would be demolished in a more realistic confrontation. The SINGLE valuable skill he showed is SURVIVAL. So, he survived getting completely destroyed. Sorry, in my book, that's not very impressive when Ryron is supposed to represent one of the most skillful fighters in the art. A great example of this is the Royler vs Eddie Bravo fight. Look at what Eddie Bravo did to Royler. He DEMOLISHED his entire skillset. Royler SURVIVED, but he was completely OUTCLASSED. I wonder if Royler could even walk after that fight. In this fight, Ryron showed VERY LITTLE skill. He was basically completely controlled and dominated the entire fight. If you can't see the simple truth of that, then you are denying the facts. I know this is hard for all the Gracie followers out there to hear. But, I'm pointing out what is factual and obvious. In this fight, Ryron did almost nothing and was totally dominated. He's lucky he wasn't fighting someone like Eddie Bravo who would have TORN him in HALF like he did to Royler. If it was anyone other than Ryron in there, I suspect you would ALL agree with me. But, facts are facts. By the way, I think Ryron is a terrific teacher and shows a ton of practical skills all the time. In this fight though, I think he did badly. Thanks, Mark

[@profd65]

+Mark Tennenhouse Lol, Ryron Gracie would SMOKE Eddie Bravo, and he wouldn't take long to do it. Ryron is a lot bigger and a lot younger. If you think Eddie Bravo would have a chance, you don't know anything about grappling. Look, you need to hate the game not hate the player. Ryron exploited the rules of the game and got a draw. The way Ryron played the game also coincided perfectly with what he's said OVER AND OVER AGAIN: if you're the physically inferior fighter and are nevertheless able to survive, then you "win." The Gracies have always stressed survival first. Andre Galvao is a professional athlete who's devoted his life to competing in sport jiu-jitsu, and based on certain pictures I've seen of him, he's not above using steroids either. Ryron Gracie is a teacher of BJJ and a proselytizer for it; he's not a competitor and not an athlete. All Ryron was able to do in the situation was survive, and that's all he tried to do.

[@iansinclair6256]

Lets not forget that Ryrion is not a competition specialist. He doesn't compete generally, so for someone who doesn't compete like his accomplished opponent, it would be impractical to try and match his more athletic opponent. André Galvão is a world class black belt with much stronger more athletic ability. It would be dumb to try and match him right off the bat. Ryrion's defence was outstanding to watch, he did try to submit a few times, but didn't choose to try and out do someone physically fitter than him, until André Galvão got more tired. Being dominated in position does not insure victory in a fight. Whether self defence or sport situation. So you are dreaming you though that was him being outclassed mate.

[@MrSupertwo]

Hit every nail on the head here Mark. Ryron was dominated completely in the match. Never not even once was he a threat to Galvao.

[@MichaelPecero]

would not*

[@truthguy7577]

You people speak as though defense and survival are unique to GJJ. Well, guess what ALL BJJ teaches the same thing - how to survive! At the same time, BJJ also teaches NOT to give up superior positions. Yeah, Ryron said he would survive - kudoos to him. But people saying this represents the essence of GJJ is ridiculous. All BJJ has attack and defense.

[@mps9649]

Yeah let's just lie in the guard in a 'street fight' and hope that the attacker tires out or hopefully does not know any jiu jitsu. Get real mate..this is not 1960s Brazil. In 2020 you'll get your fkn head caved in ..in a street fight playing guard on a concrete street.

[@TheScamr]

sleeves are hella short.

[@skarhead7597]

Why do they need to be longer ? They're in Miami

[@truthguy7577]

I respect Gracie Jiu-jitsu and I understand the principle of what Ryron was doing; however, I don't agree with his strategy. GM Helio Gracie NEVER let people pass his guard on purpose. He meant "survival" in terms of using GJJ to defend oneself. Rorion, Rickson, Royce, and Royler (Helio's sons) never let people pass their guard. They shot in, mounted and took out the opponent (GIA). Were they using GJJ? Anyone can learn to survive; but surviving in BJJ means using BJJ, not just laying there.

[@lastdeezylastdon]

bullshit, ryron is not 135 pounds, just simply not on galvao's level skill. Ryron could never ever fuk with andre, and in an interview should simply just say it was a great experience blah blah blah, not using words to hide, do I have to pull up bjj heroes and embarrassingly compare the two, and andre has done mma too while ryron promotes people on the internet

[@General_Mal]

lastdeezylastdon Andre got his ass Knocked out in mma with that sport bjj shit also. Obviously he could fuck with him Galvo tried his best to submit him and couldn’t so the point your trying to make isn’t valid.

[@Thensolomonsaid]

My only problem with this strategy is that in a real world fight you don't want to be on your back for long because who knows who's around the corner coming to stomp you.Yes fine if it is just two people on their own but how many fights take place in a deserted place?Size and power can have a dramatic effect in a real fight no matter what the dojo kings say.

[@BJJVagabond]

What I saw was the Jiu-Jitsu version of Nick Diaz vs Carlos Condit. One guy came to fight and the other came to not lose. What Ryron did in my opinion was very disrespectful to Andre. I thought Ryron came to prove a point and pull an upset but instead he did nothing. If the point is self defense let them throw some punches in the fight, why not? Oh I know why! Because Ryron wouldn't agree to anything were sport jiu-jitsu looked better for self defense. I'm sorry but Ryron proved nothing.

[@cartmansr5]

This is a lot of Bullshit. This grandmaster in a street fight nonsense. Say it enough you will believe it. In a street fight you have to move, period! The bigger guy will punch and hammer fist and stomp the shit out of you. This "defensive strategy" will get you fucked. The bigger wil not play jiu jitsu, probably will not know jiu jitsu and will not only use it if he did. If he couldn't submit you...you will eat some blows.

[@judorican973]

100# bs