Rickson Gracie vs Hayward Nishioka

[@edmund1763]

Sensei Nishioka was an inspiration to me as a young teenager in 1967. What a great man - kind, compassionate and a great sense of humor. I still think of him to this day.

[@HenryFlores4]

I am proud of my Sensei, Hayward Nishioka, it's awesome looking at a video from his youth. Rickson is a legend as well, an inspiration! Two legends having a friendly match. Thanks for the upload!

[@vtec8000xrpm]

what do Dojo does he teach? I'd like to visit. My sensei is Polish champion Proska in New Hampshire.

[@HenryFlores4]

He still teaches at Los Angeles City College. He teaches in the Fall and Spring Semesters for college. No private Dojo from what I know.

[@azraelangelofred]

What's interesting is, even after being exhausted from ne-waza sparring with Rickson, in a Judo match, Hayward essentially gets a draw. Two ippons for him via throw, two ippons for Rickson via submission. Rickson won the ground. But he was equaled by a 44 year old retired Judoka in Judo rules. I'll give the ground to Rickson. But if Hayward was in his prime during this, I think Rickson might not have won.

[@HenryFlores4]

+azraelangelofred Agreed, but then again who knows. The only thing that matters is the mutual respect between two great Martial Artists in their respective disciplines.

[@azraelangelofred]

Henry Flores If only the FANS could borrow from that.

[@BinhtriVu]

I've had the opportunity to learn from both Hayward and Rickson and they're both amazing instructors and absolute legends.

[@CFRUrology]

Hayward Nishioka (who is now 76yo) is 17 years older than Rickson (huge age difference), and 19 years older than me. Around 15 years ago when I did Randori (sparring) with Hayward at Gardena Judo, I could not throw him and he did not throw me. At the end he thanked me for the dance. In Judo, in general at least for most people, as you get to be over 40 and especially over 50, you just can not come in for throws like you did in the past but your ability to defend does not decline as much. I was never national or world champion caliber at my best, unlike Hayward, and so if we were both in our 20s, he would have thrown me around like a rag doll at will. I know how that feels from once doing Randori with a Judo Olympian still in his 20s and I also know what it is like to spar with a Gracie as they are the ones that can tap me at will (Ryron is my current teacher). If this were filmed with Hayward being 17 years younger, I believe Hayward would have much more easily thrown Rickson and Rickson would have still been superior on the ground. In a real fight, I would rather be Rickson then or now. In a Judo competition I would rather be Hayward in his prime. I think BJJ and Judo players can learn a lot from each other (the purpose Randori at a Judo dojo is supposed to be mutual benefit, not to prove some point). It is advantageous to be highly skilled both standing and on the ground whether it is a fight, BJJ or a Judo competition.

[@tomreed5743]

Nishioka was at least 50 years old in this video , while Rickson was probably in his 20’s the prime of his life. Both of them are world class martial artist.

[@josephmatias7243]

Hayward was 44. Rickson, 28.

[@Quantum3695]

Isn't wisdom and experience supposed to be superior to youth, or is that a fable?

[@redoz9768]

"Nishioka currently teaches Judo at Los Angeles City College.[6] On January 13, 1987, Rorion, Royler and Rickson Gracie came to Nishioka's judo school.[7] Nishioka, at the age of 44, defeated Rickson Gracie (age 28) with a number of throws.[8]" - Wikipedia

[@wayne47able]

Red Oz defeated???? He got tapped out several times wtf 😂

[@azraelknightquest5754]

Yes, in BJJ sparring, Rickson defeated Judoka Nishioka multiple times BEFORE their challenge match, as Rickson hoped for the advantage due to Ricksons youth. By score in the challenge match they had at the end, Rickson had two Ippons by submission and 1 wazarai by takedown. Hayward had 2 Ippons by throw and 2 wazarais and multiple Yukos by takedowns.

[@azraelangelofred]

NOTE: (And this is my last comment), for those griping and complaining over who won, yeah Rickson won the newaza sparring. I kinda HOPE so since that's what GJJ is all about. So Rickson won BJJ-rules against Hayward, a 44 year old man who was retired from competition for over 10 years. So if you wanna brag and be disrespectful, go ahead and brag that a 28 year old Rickson Gracie was able to defeat a 44 year old non-BJJ practitioner in BJJ sparring. Whoopee. But in Judo rules, an flat out throw with force and control is considered an Ippon (full point), a submission is considered an Ippon (full point) and throws that aren't that controlled or lacking in control are either Wazari (Half-point) or Yuko (Basically, above no-point). Rickson got two submissions in the whole Judo match, two Ippon's. He got one Yuko for a takedown, MAYBE a Wazari at best. Hayward got two Ippon's from throws that I saw and a few Wazari's and Yuko's from less-than-perfect throws. Like it or not, Hayward beat Rickson Gracie in a challenge match. Yeah, Hayward lost the BJJ-rules. But he won the Judo rules against a man almost 15 years younger than him. So if Hayward sucks or is a loser....then Rickson is pathetic. Or...maybe Hayward is just a kick-ass Judo player that did pretty good against a Gracie.

[@azraelangelofred]

Mossingen 1968 I did Machado-Style Brazilian Jiu-Jtisu for a year before learning Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in the Army. Prior to that, I had a background in Judo, Muay Thai, Shootfighting, Boxing and ITF Taekwondo. Fuck you. BJJ was the worst I ever learned and it's been removed from the Modern Army Combatives Program. How does that make you feel?

[@markymarco2570]

After how many years? Since Royce of before? Good to know that with 4 other martial arts, and after decades, your guys were able to create a "better" system. Keep striving.

[@azraelangelofred]

From DAY ONE the MACP based on BJJ was met with criticism, from DAY ONE Special Forces and the Army Rangers rejected it. DECADES of using Judo, then during PEACETIME in the late 90's, Larsen uses Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and got criticized by it. EVERY DAMN FUCKING YEAR, CONFLICT, DEPLOYMENT, Larsen got reports back of dissatisfication with the program, of how combat DOESN'T start on your knees and going for a damn armbar or taking guard WASN'T helping but ENDANGERING soldier's lives! Special Forces promptly refused and developed SOCP (Special Operations Combatives Program) and refused to use MACP. They NEVER used it, never did the Army Rangers. And now, after repeated reports of SOCP performing excellent and superior to MACP, year after year after YEAR, a general overrided Larsen's authority and chose to make the new Tactical Army Combatives Program which has been met with critical approval and success. But you dont' care. You don't give a FUCK about soldiers surviving, you just care about walking around with probably a fucking PURPLE BELT in BJJ and claiming that makes you a bad-ass in hand to hand. Brotherhood MMA here in Joplin, MO is a lower MMA organization. Come down here, we'll have an MMA fight. My shootfighting vs your SPORT JIU JITSU. I'm in the Heavyweight category. We can do a catch-weight if need be. You DUCK me motherfucker, I'm gonna make sure EVERYONE knows it. You contact me privately, I will tell Brotherhood MMA we'd like a spot, we WILL fight if you say yes to this. There's gonna be a CONTRACT and you're gonna be held LIABLE if you agree and sign it and don't show up. And if you DO get stupid enough to put your money where your mouth is, I'm gonna make sure our fight is recorded, I'm gonna post it and our ENTIRE fucking conversation on a KZbin video and I'm gonna make sure it gets seen, I'm not even FUCKING kidding around. So SHUT your fucking mouth or contact me privately and we'll settle this, 'cuz if you can't use BJJ with a fight that allows ANY submission and only CERTAIN strikes (no strikes to the back of the head and no knees to the head on the ground), that fucking says something and if you don't show up, that says you KNOW you can't fucking do it.

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

*for those griping and complaining over who won, yeah Rickson won the newaza sparring.* Rickson scored non-throwing takedowns a few times. WTF are you talking about? You sure like making excuses. "If only he was younger or not old, Rickson wouldve had a match of a lifetime". Go fuck yourself. Judging from the way you express your insecurities on the internet against someone and over-exaggerating the criticism of MACP using BJJ, Im highly skeptical of your claim that you were in the army and did the MACP.

[@azraelangelofred]

@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 I'm back in the Army now, though national Guard. We can meet on Facebook and you're free to make excuses for the pictures and videos of me in uniform on deployment and all the other soldiers that are on my friends list that can confirm I am all that I said I am. I never said a DAMN thing about Rickson would've had a match of a lifeftime, you're flat out fucking lying. Go fuck yourself. Juding from how you try to bullshit your way into comments at KZbin, I'm highly skeptical of your claim you are even over 18. And MACP has been dismissed, replaced with the Tactical Army Combatives Program. Go fuck yourself.

[@conceptedge]

That was a fit Rickson in his late 20's fighting an former elite judo player in his mid-40's who was not in top shape at that time. Certainly Rickson has great ground ability, but it's kind of like a younger Matt Hugh vs Royce Gracie who is in his 40's. What I would like to see is a match between Rickson and Nishioka both around the same age and in top shape.

[@wayne47able]

way to make an excuse for your guy

[@conceptedge]

wayne47able why is it an excuse? have Rickson now fight someone in their prime with similar skill level and see what happens.

[@alexneville8168]

Rickson was 10 years older than Saulo and hadn't trained in 9 months and still scrubbed him. GTFOH

[@MrMZaccone]

Only seven years separate Hughes from Gracie and Gracie was only 39 at the time. 32 v. 39? Not that big a deal. Given the difference in their styles, Nishioka would likely throw Rickson but still get choked on the ground.

[@terryprust9604]

Royce Gracie born 1966 fought Matt Hughes 2006= 40 not 40's

[@claydogm3108]

Awesome exchange of technique from two masters of different grappling arts! ossss!

[@johndrake5467]

This is what I find amazing about the video that "fanboys" seem to have missed. The Gracies seem genuinely interested in learning from Hayward Nishioka as opposed to "beating" him. As others have pointed out, the match is completely different when they start from standing than when they start from their knees. Which is better? A fighter plane or a Land Rover? The British SAS got their start by using heaving machine gun equipped Land Rovers to take out German fighter planes while they were still on the ground. Yes the Gracies have made important contributions to martial arts. Even if you score a takedown, if you end up on the ground with your opponent and he's better there than you, you can get submitted. That's exactly what happens at point 11:55 in the video. Rickson goes for a throw but his opponent reverses it and throws him. Still Rickson gets the submission. That said, Rhonda Rousey dominated women's MMA through judo and eventually got beat by striking. Anderson Silva's grappling is Luta Livre which came from catch wrestling. You've got guys like Fedor Emelianenko who kick butt with Sambo. Great martial artists these days are no longer trying to prove their "style" is the best. They are trying to be the best themselves. That's why at the end of the video you hear one of the Gracies respectfully getting advice on how to improve takedowns from Nishioka.

[@scarred10]

I can assure you they were very focused on winning and not learning, that's why they filmed this to use as marketing. If they were interested in learning they'd actually train at a judo school.

[@Vale-tudo_]

Anderson Silva is a Jiu-Jitsu black belt from Nogueira Brothers.

[@Ivuspp]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925. Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu).

[@wayne47able]

Francisco Aglairton There are actually several differences between modern Judo and BJJ 1.) in BJJ they incorporated catch wrestling techniques that Maeda learned from his time in the west. 2.)in BJJ there is a no gi component which made it a better fit for MMA 3.) there are several innovations in the guard that was developed by BJJ practitioners such as the worm guard, mission control, deep half guard, and the various set ups to get to a submission. Hayward looked like a fish out of water the moment it went to the ground with Rickson.

[@mark9104]

actually if you guys watch after 8 mins you can hear Hayward discussing with Rorion (I think thats him) the strength and weakness of Rickson in terms of Judo game. He never said Rickson is bad or anything. He said he got good tomoe, not so good seoi, very good ground. He also said if Rickson improves he can be in Brazilian judo team. It is just a friendly visit, stop the hate man

[@Patrick-sheen]

People want to make a war of everything. As you say it’s training and so good to see such accomplished martial artists.

[@conceptedge]

It large depends on where the throw occurs. Get thrown by a standing seio-nage, osoto-gari, te-guruma, or even a high altitude tomoe-nage would at least put the wind out of someone if not worse on a hard surface.

[@azraelangelofred]

What impresses me is not Rickson Gracie (at the time in his twenties) ability to score a few submissions against a 44 year old retired Judoka. 5:41 Hayward has a failed Ippon Seoi Nagi but recovers and denies Rickson Gracie ground control. 7:03 Hayward puts Rickson's flat on the ground with a Tai Otoshi (I think?), Rickson scrambles sloppily to a single leg after Hayward just stands there knowing he got the throw solid and Rickson is just trying to look good. 9:13, Hayward tosses Rickson again (admittingly, he suffered a few submission losses at this point) and again tries to grab at Hayward well after being landed flat on his back to look tough. All after Rickson wore them out with ground-grappling to try and get an edge. Rickson didn't look NEAR so perfect. He got some submission wins against Judo guys but it was far from a perfect win or a great statement of the "superiority" of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. I'll still train in Judo or Sambo any day of the week. Between Hayward, Kimura, Yoshida and Ron Tripp, I think it's clear Gracie Jiu-Jitsu isn't the "most effective martial art in the world" if it's suffered losses anytime special rules aren't granted.

[@Mossingen-kq6go]

Horseshit. Meaningless points *are* special rules. The default mode of assessing effectiveness of a martial art is not how many points it scores in a controlled match; it's how well it enables the practitioner to subdue his oppenent. The default method of how that is done is by combat with no rules. GJJ is not designed for sport competition or scoring points; it's designed to subdue an opponent. When you add a point system, those are special rules. No time limit, no rules, no rounds, no weight classes, GJJ wins every time. It's not even close.

[@azraelangelofred]

Mossingen 1968 BJJ is designed for submission SPORT only and is not geared for combat whatsoever. Starting on your knees and wearing a ghi are HARDLY combative techniques. That's why i opposed it as a combatives program in the Army, where I was denied striking, takedowns, leglocks or necklocks. By the way, the Army removed it from the Combatives Program. How does that make you feel?

[@Seegie16]

What you are describing is bjj after 1994. Before that it was not sport it was from the feet, to the ground, to avaoiding strikes, to giving strikes on the ground to submission. Yes the takedowns arent always clean like in judo, there are single legs and bodylocks and even as slopily as yanking one down, but thats the goal so then you can subdue them once on the ground. Basically its a highly evolved kano jiujitsu. Its what judo was in its early form left alone without rules until the ibjjf came to ruin it in 94. So please have respect for what the art was meant to be before it too became bastardized like judo.

[@azraelangelofred]

If what you say is true, why is the only MMA fight that Helio was in a Vale Tudo fight he lost in Brazil and every other match a BJJ sport match?

[@Seegie16]

None of them were ever sport bjj matches. They were matches where they started on the feet and ended when a opponent taped or his corner threw in the towel. When he fought judoka or other grapplers they were without strikes because it was decided thats what the rules should be to prove whos the better grappler. When it was against a non grappling style then the rules where vale tudo.

[@MrMZaccone]

Nishioka Sensei had been a teacher and coach for many years at this point and is 16 years older than Rickson with nothing to prove. There's no way to know how hard he was trying or if he was just trying to "get a read" on Rickson. To be fair, I'd say the same thing about Rickson. He's strategic and smart enough not to give away his best. This is an interesting study of two great martial artists in practice, nothing more and I don't think any significant conclusions can be drawn from it.

[@DwayneMitchell-y7j]

Keep in mind. This is the man who stated in private that the late Bruce Lee was the worlds toughest man. He felt Lee was some kind of freak of nature. These were the words of Hayward Nishioka. He made this statement to author John Little.

[@josephmatias7243]

Prof Wally Jay said something similiar to me about 20 years ago. He thought Bruce was a freak of nature.

[@gbfxtrader]

Absolutely

[@LeonardoGuerreiro]

There were training for the rules of judo. Not ipon. The practice was discontinued because it was near the wall.

[@stevemarce1988]

I have been at LACC Ju Do Since the 1980’s 🏫 🥋

[@garykos]

"Coach" is a Pan American Games Gold Medalist for USA. He was my wrestling coach at L.A.C.C. 1977. He is way too nice a guy to go full bore ....nothing to prove.

[@stevemarce1988]

@@garykosAwesome My Coach Steve Seck was also Olympian in Ju Do ❤️🙏🏽

[@scarred10]

heres my take on gjj and ive trained in torrance as recently as 2 yrs ago for a months as well as with mostly sport bjj with roger and a carlson gracie affiliate in london.The self defense is crap unless you spar with it using resistance and this is only done at torrance ,miami and affiliate schools which until ecntly was virtually zero,garcie university changed that.Did you know that neither rickson nor royler spar using strikes in their classes,thats not self defense bjj,its sport grappling.

[@mark9104]

gee this is so old, been discussed for over 1 million times in underground forum back in the 90s. Rickson and his guys turn up to Hayward place to spar, this is friendly sparring, it is the same as Rickson got tap while rolling with rolling with Renzo, this is just practice session

[@crazyjames1233]

some badass throws Nishioka got on him.

[@VCthaGOATdunker]

My dream fantasy match is Masahiko Kimura vs Rickson Gracie. This video gives a tiny glimpse of what that match would have been like.

[@christopherkabenguelle5474]

Nope! Kimura was a Kosen judoka legend otherwise of Hayward who was just a olympic judoka with no ground game.

[@lindomarmota647]

Certeza que o Rickson venceria

[@vincespell]

Royler was the one that wouldn't let the guy rest, each time he tapped the guy he went right back at him a second later! Royler is a beast!

[@kennysato2371]

what year was this? Hayward Nishioka is almost 70 years old if not 70 currently...So at this time he might have been close to 50. His hay day was in the 60s and 70s...I know him personally. He is a great Judoka and a sensei. Rickson would have been 10 or 20 years his younger. Thats a huge deal at the age of 40 or 50.

[@lonolindsey2048]

Rickson was 28, hawyward was 44. Yes it was ricksons competitive prime and Hayward was well past his. And it's just a training session between two great martial artists. I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal out of this

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

black belt level doesn't make a lead pipe or stab less painful and damaging.

[@azraelangelofred]

Rickson Gracie in his twenties against Hayward Nishioka in his 40's. In strict BJJ special rules (start on your knees, no standing, pins don't matter, no time limit, submission only), Rickson wins. Give Hayward the opportunity to throw him and Rickson gets tossed several times. He's lucky it wasn't concrete, Rickson probably wouldn't have gotten up.

[@Mossingen-kq6go]

If they were fighting on concrete, they would each fight differently, dufus.

[@azraelangelofred]

Mossingen 1968 No shit, nimrod. You figure that out entirely by your fucking self?

[@tomreed5743]

This was not a challenge match , they were just working out , it’s very apparent they both were respectful of each other.

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

*He's lucky it wasn't concrete, Rickson probably wouldn't have gotten up.* Excuses excuses.

[@jukelix1430]

@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 indeed

[@stevemarce1988]

LACC Ju Do On Vermont and Santa Monica 🏫🥋🤼‍♂️ Nishioka, Seck, Rousey, Me, Etc., … ❤️🙏🏽

[@MrMZaccone]

Well, there are lots of point we could make and that's certainly one of them.

[@msilnascimento]

Interesting how Helio Gracie behaves, he only looks and does not give any instructions, completely neutral in terms of allowing the training to go on.

[@MrKiller4790]

it showed rickson was human as he kinda got dominated on the feet but was stronger on the ground and rickson was younger. good sparring session

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

no i didnt you said 'you think a Judoka or a BJJ guy is gonna know what to do unless he reaches Black belt level?' - im saying, since its all unarmed no matter what level you get to, you could be the highest level possible, it still doesn't mean shit unless you go and take weapons classes specifically.

[@pedropereiradossantossanto8333]

experiência total em todos os centido . oss

[@liontano]

9.14 beautiful uchimata...

[@kobe51]

Rickson had nothing for Hayward standing and Hayward was no spring chicken!

[@intellectualninjamonkey2496]

people who say "Hayward won under judo rules or rickson won under bjj rules" miss the point of martial arts. The question is , who would have maim/killed the other if this was a real fight and each one counted in his own special skill in order to survive. Who cares who won under "judo rules" just because Hayward scored a throw? Was the throw enough to make his opponent unable to get up?

[@philosopher0076]

Intellectual NinjaMonkey. On concrete...in the real world...YES. Especially since Hayward, in a real life and death fight, would have thrown Rickson....on his HEAD. The End.

[@swamislocal1]

Awesome video! Thanks for the post

[@OriginalRipndip]

I know Judo is traditional, but if I wanted to practice primarily no-gi for self defense & transitions for sport like Rousey, what type of training or school would I look for?

[@hoppy760]

That's Rickson in the beginning and Royler after 10 min mark. I am amazed at how critical many of you are on your comments. One guy says Rickson got owned on the feet, but I didn't see that at all. Hayward had one good (dominant) uchi-mata at the end before Royler jumped in with another judoka. Royler and Rickson were invited back to train in the evening but the video ends right there, so whatever Attilaclark is implying is meaningless.

[@davidsonh29]

Ah the good old days.

[@znjfl]

They are both beasts and both of them probably enjoyed the hell out of that sparring session.

[@truthguy7577]

So because the title says "vs" it must be a sanctioned match? How stupid. Were there points? Was this a competition or tournament? If so, who won? I missed the part where someone was declared a winner.

[@Mahalkitatayo]

They're both good

[@tricepsish]

shit he said Royler has better standing than Rickon... older brother is gonna get some revenge when they get home.

[@BadgerBJJ]

Royler might have placed 3rd in Brazilian Nationals Judo

[@newtinho820]

Armlock by Rickson at 7:55

[@bebe1979]

Are street fights sanctioned.. no, but there is usually a winner right? We are only going on what is posted, with this video, one can 'reasonably' make the assumption that Rickson got the better of this particular episode.

[@interestedparty7523]

Rickson tapping guys at will in no different than Nishioka throwing guys at will.

[@heavybones]

Except a throw typically does not end a fight. Just a hard take-down. A choke will kill you if it is not let go.

[@interestedparty7523]

@@heavybones But you must get them down first most of the time... Unless they're stupid and give their head up for a standing guillotine...

[@azraelknightquest5754]

You ever been thrown full speed on the cold hard ground? Seems not. Shows your fighting experience.

[@azraelknightquest5754]

You ever been thrown full speed on the cold hard ground? Seems not. Shows your fighting experience.

[@eamonob84]

@@azraelknightquest5754 what was the point of that reply? He’s saying they both do their specialty effortlessly.

[@paulcarrola]

That was not Rickson. Rickson's match ended at 9:20.

[@DirektorMK]

Let's not exaggerate, Hayward was 45 at the time of the video. Well past his prime, though.

[@rufus566]

I think the point is Nishioka said Rickson could place at the international level in Judo. What a compliment! Its like saying to Michael Jordan, you could be an All-Star in Baseball. We know Rickson is a legend on the ground and JJ has its own takedown techniques, but we forget that Rickson excelled in Judo, Sambo and Wrestling. He could put you there, keep you there and sub you there.

[@Flatzee1]

Unless your on the level don't hate.. Just train...

[@greasebob]

Beautiful uchi-mata by Hayward on Rickson at 9:15... I think its safe to say in their primes Rickson would never ippon Nishioka with a throw and Nishioka would never ippon Rickson with a choke or armlock... I'm a Gracie/BJJ guy all the way but I appreciate standup grappling and wrestling and incorporate it into my game...and let me tell you if you ever spar standup with a legit judo black belt it is an eye opening experience...

[@AHumanClay]

9:15 was unbelievable

[@ScottWilliam88]

think it was just an out-of-bounds reset - there's no tap or submission attempt, right?

[@Chevalier765]

Sorry I was wrong. Rickson did win clearly at 7.08 Is it okay for you now?

[@scarred10]

it would be exactly the same,hayward would throw him even easier but rickson would tap him once it hit the floor,hed do that to any judoka and all elite judoka would throw him like a doll,thats as youd expect

[@MrMZaccone]

Listening to Nishioka Sensei's comments on Rickson I can't help but wonder if he knew the kind of competition Rickson was used to and why he wasn't already doing the things that were being suggested. Meanwhile Rickson is probably sitting there thinking "So I could be competeing at nationals if I worked some different stuff huh? Well, kind of a buzz kill but ... I'll think about it."

[@Danny-el7ok]

Amazing

[@firulaisjj]

Guys, they were not competing... just easy sparring. Like testing Rickson in order to get Hayward opinion on him, maybe for competing in judo. Both were respectful to each other, getting submitted by Rickson is not rare. He also got slammed by pure technique by a judo master, not surprise either.

[@ultimatechoke]

yes but what's going on at 7.57??? maybe a broken arm..

[@Danny-el7ok]

Does hayward still teach

[@MrMZaccone]

So the minute at 3:30 when Rickson has Hayward in a choke, what do you have to say about that?

[@fabioaliatar]

age of nishioka 45 age of rickson 28

[@Darumpshaka]

That was Royler not Rickson.

[@DirektorMK]

Everybody, you do realize that this wasn't a dojo storm, it was a joined training of Gracies and Nishioka's guys? You can hear Rorion ask Hayward about his opinion on his brothers techniques and abilities in a very polite manner. Maybe the Gracies took it more seriously judging by their aggression and posture in sparring. And you can clearly see that Nishioka was going easy on Rickson in standup, that he was sparring, not fighting. Nobody won anything here, it wasn't a contest.

[@gpoor]

did you watch this at all? just curious

[@brunorodrigues4662]

Esse foi o dia em que a família viajou para dar um seminário promovido pelo Noris lá nos EUA e coincidiu com uma falação dessa acadêmia de judô que dizia ter batido no jiu-jitsu Gracie. Então a família foi até lá e deu uma lição nos judocas. Tava Rickson,Rorion,Royce,Royler e Renzo se não tô enganado.

[@rafaelbds2649]

A lição é que uma academia bom em pé e a outra no chão.

[@agustolinares8221]

haaaaaaa pobre rickson vuela x los aires haaa

[@SenseiAllanFranklin]

Lição? Tomou quedas do judoca facilmente e ainda ouviu as instruções. Fã dos Gracies são como os do Bruce Lee ou seja, eles tem que estar sempre por cima! Só que aí não foi isso.

[@Osprey3109]

Ahhahaha kimura and yoshida live rent free in all your heads Gracie Jj is judo without throws , picking fights with old men

[@rocket5557]

My bad, it was Royler.

[@truthguy7577]

This was nothing more than a training session. If memory serves me correctly, Rorion was shopping for judo schools for Rickson and Royler to train. They did a bunch of dojo visits at different judo schools and ended up at Nioshioka's. Royler rolled up a bunch of judoka's because someone made a comment about his skills. But Rickson was really there to test his stand-up against a master judoka. There's nothing more to it than that. Those reading too much into it are morons.

[@KeCo77495]

Holy CRUD what year was this lol?!

[@agentmma]

Rickson had already chocked him at 3:30

[@pedroiranzo3883]

Nishioka tap, yes. 👍

[@agustolinares8221]

haaaaaaaaaaaa

[@christhetrianglechok]

ever think bout taking judo

[@The1979Rock]

Well Rickson Gracie was in his prime when Bas Rutten openly challenged him into a Pancrase fight. Rickson fought Funaki but he's afraid of Bas Rutten

[@MrMZaccone]

So how is that a loss?

[@greasebob]

9:17 Uchi Mata Ippon

[@baulivur]

Good stuff

[@scarred10]

rickson would have been handled standing easily by any elite judoka,evn in the states where there were no great judo men at the time and very few since

[@whatabouthis5588]

Didnt knwo Hayward Nishioka was Bruce lee student

[@Patrick-sheen]

Take all the politics out of it and this is a beautiful meeting of styles..so interesting to watch.

[@MrMZaccone]

Are you saying that looked like ippon to you?

[@conceptedge]

Getting thrown by people without training is not the same to be thrown by an expert. Try get thrown by Ilias Illiadis and see if that could be the case.

[@玄宗齐]

3:30

[@johntaylor6814]

Rickson was sweating bucket's and his Gi was hanging off his back, he'd trained hard with everyone before the Nishioka match. He never broke a sweat, just waited on Rickson being knackered and still got beat under ANY rule's. Although i do think Rickson was in his late 20's and Nishioka was getting past his best. His appraisal of Rickson & Royler was back to front. He said Rickson had better ground work but Royler was better Standing. Royler would admit he's not good standing and that Rickson is actually very good for a Gjj Guy...

[@evanburgess4340]

That is nonsense. His assessment was about judo and Royler nearly made the Brazillian olympic team in Judo. Renzo was also highly ranked in judo. Rickson is clearly far better at submissions and a wrestling style if he had arm grabs, but Rolyer made a lot of leg reaps and tried a lot more judo techniques.

[@anticwar]

what year is this?

[@wipers7723]

1987

[@anticwar]

@@wipers7723 Wow! Beautiful Uchi Mata!

[@RGTomoenage11]

The only issue I have with this is that Rickson was also tapping all the bjj practitioners of his time and the judo that he knew he learned from Rolls. Either way, they are disrespectful bullies

[@superlyger]

roger Rickson also trained Judo under the perrenial Judoka and former Gracie JJ practitioner George Mehdi. Ironically, Mehdi hates all things Gracie, and will vocally deride the family.

[@emcclendon6830]

Man, how the sport has evolved! Pulling guard, DLR, 50/50, deep half...it's like a whole new art compared to the old school combat style.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Everything you mentioned was already used in Judo....

[@scarred10]

this wasnt hidden ,the idea is that the gracies destroyed the judoka by submission,these throws wouldnt end any real match outside judo.This wasnt a judo matchso throws dont matter.Any elite judoka would throw rickson at will but the throw would be just the beginning of the end for the judoka

[@rocket5557]

My bad, that's Royler.

[@JoeyMcPeace]

What are you talking about? They are rolling using these rules. If it was a no rules fight, Rickson would use his Jiu-Jitsu for what it was made for - otherwise, he will always keep it playful.

[@MrMZaccone]

Judo is Jiu-jitsu or "jujutsu" if you prefer. It's simply been reduced to a catalog of techniques that can be practiced safely in a competitive situation. As evidence, note how long "judo" was referred to as "Kano Jiu-jitsu". What the Gracies did was add back in certain techniques to the competitive arsenal and develop a teaching methodology and strategy that had been lacking for some time. There is nothing about the Gracie family members I know that deserves the term "con-man".

[@MrMZaccone]

@@andreilukyanov4286 That's simply false.

[@superstrangevideo]

It could be two neighbors in my fucking backyard for al I know. Pic quality sucks royally and I cant make out the face of either one of them. Btw, how great is it to beat a guy (if he really did beat Nishioka) who is 30 years older than him?

[@biggjohnson7794]

that was royler

[@squooge]

Nice uchi mata @ 9:15

[@michaelkmorton]

that wasn't Rickson...

[@sharkfinnigan]

Ive been thrown on matts and on the hard floor at a bar, fights end up on the ground all the time and its never hardly the end of it when they get there, say what you want to about Royce and all the Gracies, but i bet they could deal with you pretty easy lol,

[@newtinho820]

and other armlock at 8:33

[@crucifixchoke21]

What a bunch of hater-wannabes-know-it-alls. You roll a little and think you know more, and more, and more than everyone else. Unless we have a bunch of black belt champions throwing two-cent opinions all around, shush-up and just train like the rest of us and all our real heros do. Peace.

[@amorim261]

as conversas são uma coisa à parte no vídeo.

[@MsNamasteLove]

Oh yeah, that's right. You're right he got put to sleep. My mistake. LOL

[@bebe1979]

That sounds believable and logical. But it has never been documented in film or words By any students or brothers.

[@robson29121]

MATERIAL SHOW OTIMO VIDEO

[@underflip7]

that was Royler against another judo guy.