Black Pegasus FIRST time HEARING - REN - Masochist

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Black Pegasus FIRST time HEARING - REN - Masochist
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[@simonpalmer8718]

Masochist is someone who enjoys pain on themselves. A Sadist is someone who enjoys giving pain to others

[@cheetara32]

He knew this track could lose him fans... So yeah he chose to say it anyway... Which ultimately may bring pain to himself .... But what a great track to challenge us all!

[@hugoalonsogarcia5448]

Idk in América or England but in Spain we have: Sado-masochist, Who is someone Who enjoy giving and taking pain

[@nukewaste]

The masochist begged, "Please, hurt me!" To which the sadist replied, "No."

[@raidonbay]

​​@@hugoalonsogarcia5448 I've spent some time in fun sexual dungeon clubs, here in USA. Sadomasochism is more applicable on the sexual level. Masochist is the psychological term for one who enjoys/leans to inflicting pain to on themselves (emotionally/ physically)

[@hugoalonsogarcia5448]

@@raidonbay Oh, thanks, im always thinking it in a sexual way haha

[@dbmyrrha]

This song, and the Sick Boi album as a whole, is pure theatre. If theatre does not push the boundaries and make you feel, it’s no good. Ren pushes all the boundaries. Love it.

[@lbow09]

He is a Bard so this all totally makes sense!!

[@dbmyrrha]

@@lbow09 absolutely.

[@jasonstewart3996]

​@@lbow09hell yeah! Bros a bardcore badass. There really isn't anyone out there that is this creative. What an artistic talent of the day. The world is a better place with Ren in it

[@IronRaspberry]

Ren just said in his twitch stream that this was written when he was in an angry self-destructive mood. A lot of artists purge dark thoughts through their art. It’s just an outlet. As in “Hi Ren”, there’s light and dark in all of us. Unfortunately there are those who are going to take this song literally, and overlook that the lyrics are just metaphors - “There’s a killer on the beat”.

[@tinymusikcodottv-Musikverse99]

Kill these metaphors I write to all attachments in this life GET IT???

[@PowrAl]

Yes, he swung to the dark side with this one.

[@sampanther8854]

Exactly what you said 👍

[@ZanOrion]

Yes. Metaphors.

[@johnplaysgames3120]

Also, the main line of the hook - with the music dropped out from under it for emphasis - flips it. He's saying "don't trip" about all the dark and violent things he's saying, because he's a masochist. He's only into hurting himself. As with a lot of Ren's music, this is ultimately a soundtrack of inner struggle, not actual outward-focused, nihilistic violence. I like that you made the "dark and light" connection with "Hi Ren." With its wide stylistic range, I sometimes imagine Ren's work as songs from a rock/rap opera with "Hi Ren" as its thematic base. With that idea in mind, "Masochist" would be a moment in the show where the devil on the sick boi's shoulder, Bad Ren in full "News flash!" mode, has fully infested Ren's thoughts and he/they sing a deep, dark, destructive song about being in a deep, dark, self-destructive place. Anyway, I love all the stuff he's doing right now. I hope he never constrains his creativity for labels or "the money game," but I equally hope he never constrains it for fans. I just want Ren to be Ren and I want to witness it happening. And I love not knowing what to expect each time. It's exciting!

[@tattoodude8946]

I think the whole "kill" list verse is the idea of killing all your attachments to get to the real you. First, he lists the external things (the system, religion, etc). Then he lists the "you" things - your ego, your culture, your masters. Finally, he goes external - parents, partners, etc. It is a check list of walls you have to tear down to discover yourself. At least that's how I see it.

[@elektrovert]

Yeah this is a good take 👍

[@raymondduncil5786]

Fkn spot on mate. Shedding at its core ,too the core.

[@annaberkley7575]

Thats an amazing outlook.

[@geofthompson3844]

What I do like is the experimental process and freedom with which he's makes music. He isn't trying to make music everyone likes, or music that fits someone else's idea of what he should do. He is making music from himself warts and all. It's brave, and innovative, and only possible because he's independent. The spiri of punk lives in Ren.

[@nthebushes]

Simplified, a sadist gives pain, a masochist receives pain. He said, in his live stream after the premiere, that he wrote this when he was angry, in pain and feeling dark, pessimistic and self-destructive.

[@atwellorama]

I'm excited. Ren said that he's just finished vocals for "Seven Sins" and it's his favorite tune for the album, with "Money Game pt 3" coming in a hot 2nd. Best songs haven't even been heard yet, and this is already fire? Oh dang.

[@redangel169]

I think if you are a casual fan you might not get all the metaphors, but this song is dark, raw, powerful. If youve ever stood on the precipice, you get it and recognize it for the purge that it is. Side note, a masochist takes in the pain

[@tinymusikcodottv-Musikverse99]

A masochist is a person who gets pleasure from being hurt or controlled by another person!! ren writes "Kill these metaphors I write to all attachments in this life" That is saying a lot about what the song is saying! If you are a masochist then you all in some ways are doing this to yourselves and that is what really hurts! This is genius writing!!!!

[@MLGSinglecoil]

60 yr old rock boi here... so now my Thursdays/Fridays are 1) Ren premier 2) Black Pegasus for review. Between you guys, i have been on a musical trip that has me excited like Im a kid again. 1st of all Ren has completely upended what I thought of the limits of music. Ive seen and heard so many amazing musicians in my life (played with a bunch of them) and there are very few that have changed my life quite like Ren. Its like a dark room when a blinding light comes on and you say "oh shit thats what it looks like!" 2nd, Ill never be able to play or hear "boys are back" without hitting everyone with a resounding 40!!! Seriously, your attitude and grace with the songs and guests on your show just makes me feel good. I have been rabbit holing your channel and of course Ren. Bottom line... thank you. 60!!!!

[@cheetara32]

This for me is a track that I LOVE for the fact it's a direct challenge to everything all of us feel strongly about in one way or another, especially when it comes to religion... But he is also trying to make a point that when we break it down and take away all those things, what are we left with... We are all human.. can we still learn to relate to each other without the labels and belief that our way of life is the RIGHT one compared to others! Ren challenges us to actively listen... Read beyond the instinctual REACTION and think about it and how others also see us, no matter what our culture and beliefs. This is one of the most challenging tracks, but also important for us all.... ❤

[@DianeLFC]

In a twitch stream he just said that it was written in an angry self destructive mood. So he wants to kill all the things he loves and that helps him... Masochistic. I love this track! Loved your reaction too ❤❤

[@theguywithabow]

One thing I admire about Ren is that he writes whatever he feels like writing at that point of his life. He isnt writing stuff a music label prescribes for sales. Brave.

[@docdurdin]

Steven King Rap....... Ren twitch quote; I was in a lot of pain and angry,"

[@nunyabzness2934]

I honestly feel that Ren besides being the genius artist that he is, is also soo dam psychologically intelligent that he stuffs these words we were told are tabu to say and talk about our entire lives directly in our faces showing us that we are fine, no need to flip out. if you actually pay attention to the lyrics Ren puts the antidote line explaining all the lyrics that just dropped your jaw. fkn genius!!!

[@murtaghj]

Does anyone remember 'My Name Is'? Ren is playing. He's an artist. Purging. Going deep into the underneath. Just pure expression. Art is as art does, makes you question, not always a pretty result, but hey, this is a banger. Rebirth seems to be the overall message, to me anyhow. Much love people.

[@LHartman-gj7dl]

I've watched you, Joe E, Knox and LoccdWolf totally get this track straight away. You're all top of your game tonight. I love Ren for throwing that 💣 into the mix. 🖤

[@christopherwcazares7054]

Kill all attachments.... is the main message that I got from this song quite buddhist in a dark delivery lol 💯

[@jasoncraig3863]

(3:10) I Pre-Ordered "Sick Boi" for now... On the day of the release, I'm also ordering Freckled Angel. If we can all do this, I believe we can bring both of his albums on the top 10 in the same week/day.

[@BethLaureen603]

Thank you for a great reaction as always. I really love this one , for a lot of reasons, most of them have already been mentioned and expressed better than I am able to. 😊💜

[@juliethorne8050]

I think Ren is telling us to be Ourselves, our own life and death, our own deity! He's gonna buckle a lot of folks' wings with this one! We have to break out of our own bodybags!! You got to be very strong to take everything Ren throws at ya! Blessed be, BP. Great react, mate.

[@scunningham7173]

This feels like listening to the screaming in his head, or his reading his diary. I see he says he was in a dark place when ge wrote this and I so admire his courage in putting it all out for all to see. Love it, but also was squirming a bit through my first listen. But thats part of why I think he's great, he makes you feel and think!

[@cherylwilson8743]

Because of Hi Ren, For Joe etc, people have put Ren into the sad " we must protect at all costs " box. His latest songs aren't all emotional and sad and people are upset about it. Personally, I prefer this Ren. Nobody can throw Ren into one single box, he can do anything at this stage and it's great.

[@kerimccabe2931]

Couldn’t have said this better myself! Every single song he has is completely different from the rest. Which is why I love Ren! He’s a phenomenal rap genius who can sing just as good and plus plays instruments. Come on now. I’m here for all of it!

[@kerimccabe2931]

People who don’t enjoy it should still listen to it and share it because he still needs views

[@NewDaddyJ]

I disagree… this song couldn’t be more emotional… this is just anger & rage… it’s just his take on a different but very real emotion…

[@hanch3664]

💯

[@elektrovert]

I like that he switches it up like that. It forces people to look at themselves, look into their own preconceptions and dogma and see if they can break their way through it. They loved his music before, but they don't like this? Can they be trust his artistic integrity and trust that he is a good artist like they thought before and spend some time with it? Or will they just dismiss it? Everything about what REN does seems calculated to make you introspect and self-reflect ❤️

[@zlartiz]

Ooooh just love all the references throughout the song, from the matrix, via Muhammad Ali to Eminem… (and a lot of others) also one of the first with a catchy chorus that repeats, the darn thing has got a hook to it also.. the sinister darkness of it is really great.. lovin’ it!

[@Hexenkind1]

The key part of the lyrics in "masochist" are most definitely: "Kill these Metaphors I write to all Attachments In this life" There you basically have the whole overall meaning of the song and the things that relate to masochism.

[@adrienne1958l]

Love your reaction! You completely get Ren . You have develed deep into his discography, and also have interviewed him so you pretty much know where he is coming from . Also your empathy is showing . On top of all that you bring your hip hop pedigree to the mix . Great reaction!

[@kraZkins007]

For me- this is a song I won’t listen to past this weekend- it’s a dramatic purging art piece- it’s to be listened to a few times and enjoyed-or thought provoking- but I don’t go to the theatre to see it over and over again- all music has its place in the world- and this will be appreciated by me- and I will watch and comment and like- because it is good- Why won’t I listen to it over and over- because it is dark- and just the “kill” over and over and dark tone- appreciate and move on- Listening to this on repeat will do the reverse of a dark thoughts purge- it will cause brain pathways and change mood and thoughts dark- imagine watching Sweeney Todd over and over again- the brain chemistry will change- I truly believe this is art and can be appreciated- that’s why I will make the rounds and comment and like on videos this weekend- but then I will also probably listen to “Baretooth” I think I love myself afterwards each time- But that’s how I roll- I got Godsmacks “time bomb” blasting when I feel the need to just rage sing out some anger and get it out of my body (or Volbeats asshole in the room) and then when it’s expressed I need to find joy again and move on. So those who don’t want to hear this one on repeat- I get it- by try to appreciate it once or twice and give the love and then move on-

[@lannawolf1864]

He references SO MANY artists in this song. Like the part that goes "Hi! My name is... Kill"

[@Andrew-kv7fk]

Man ren is ridiculously talented

[@skyguyflyinghigh]

a thing is a lot of people who are in self destructive behaviors often end up pushing people away and "killing" their relationships, like lashing out whilst feeling withdrawals and the way you're hurting yourself with these substances to feel joy/keep going, people losing hope in you, burning bridges. ultimately you end up only hurting yourself more than anyone, a masochist.

[@sorenm.lairdsorries7547]

The first rule of Ren Club: We don't talk about Ren Club. The second rule of Ren Club: see above. 🔥

[@joshuawiedenbeck6944]

My interpretation is kill everything you hold as important or dear to you so you can make real progress in your life. A bit of a philosophical version of Rage Against the Machine.

[@user-fu3cf9vp4w]

Another killer beat by Ren ❤ love it as always ❤

[@GuiriTical]

Those references in the beggining of the song, my childhood Method man, KRS one, NWA, Eminem

[@reggiegimmix9128]

This is one of my favs ... great music, wordplay and style.

[@Hello_I_am_Jeff]

Was real curious how you would respond to this one. Like all things, there is a lot of symbolism and metaphore in Ren's music. The Fight Club analogy was pretty spot on - kill away all the things you love (metaphor) and are attached to so that you can learn to love yourself and appreciate your life... and the important things in it.

[@debbyshannon7242]

I think everyone has reached the point at some time where they say F@CK everyone and everything 🥺🖤

[@jasonbishop6642]

I love how Ren unapologetically challenges philosophies and points of view. He gets us to think more critically and objectively. Especially with these tracks that make us a little uncomfortable. It’s pretty sick!

[@christophCymru]

The album is called sick boi. This is another expression of all the emotions people go through, self hating ans hate to the world being one. Its a class song!

[@juliethorne8050]

Loving the KRS-ONE and NWA references.

[@AllenB2023]

Great break down. He spoke about it on Twitch later. You got what he was feeling exactly. Just shows how relatable he can be.

[@kismkids]

Man! The Advengers are such good reactors, they open up Ren to followers or potential followers, with great info. Love watching you guys & love ALL of Ren’s refreshing music❤️❤️🎶🎶🎶👏👏

[@denisebulgariu964]

Kill everything that separates us! I love this ,is powerfull

[@SchooloftheOlde]

He's a masochist. He's using every popular phrase in rap knowing it will hurt him. Sometimes it's ok not to over think it.

[@tubaviewa2624]

"If you meet Budda: Kill it." What does it mean being yourself...? What does it cost...? What is it worth...? That's the way, this song works for me. And i like it and it's creative approach. Regards.

[@MrWorkmane]

He’s a masochist-kill the things that you love or comfort you

[@stevehartley7504]

This is hard! My guess in the album he'll be showing his understanding of every genre of rap/hip hop

[@apexblyxx]

Sup BP and the FUQ Boys! Im here for this! No Sleep until I give you all your Props!

[@Seamus.MacLeod]

A person who derives pleasure from receiving pain. Emotional or physical. The things he was railing against were inflicting pain on him. A Sadist is someone who gains pleasure from inflicting pain. The "Sado of Sadomasochistic.

[@soilbydesign9303]

A sadist derives pleasure from giving pain, a masochist from receiving it

[@michaelmcvey7813]

I love all the thoughts here, folks are really good at reading things. I think he tells you in the song what this is about. Samsara is the idea that things are circular with repeated birth, mundane existence and dying again, so everything has to die for you to be born again anew. Also as a masochist if you kill everything you love, it hurts. His lyrics are deep and I love the beat.

[@sampanther8854]

Thanks BP for reacting as always brilliant job 👍 🤫🤫fight club ❤️

[@Icclebloo]

Just a quick comment for 26:57 (it's the secnod or third time you've run this line) - there's a really nice double entendre that you won't get if you're not familiar with British vernacular. "Killer on " can also refer to a police officer (copper / bobby) 'walking the beat' when they are on foot patrol so it can also be taken as him prowling the streets - it's a cool little extra

[@kylene27]

Had to look this one up, and it plays totally into the idea of being so angry that you even inflict pain on yourself. Who is Samsara? samsara, (Sanskrit: “flowing around”) in Indian philosophy, the central conception of metempsychosis: the soul, finding itself awash in the “sea of samsara,” strives to find release (moksha) from the bonds of its own past deeds (karma), which form part of the general web of which samsara is made

[@lukede6555]

I can’t wait to listen to the whole album in its intended order. You can see the thread running through it, the phases he was going through when he was writing these songs. It’s going to be so awesome to progress through that!

[@reginamiracle6358]

OMG I’m right there with you about being “a scaredy-cat” I actually avoided watching HI REN for over a month because of the pic of the start of the video and wasn’t going to listen to this track until I saw you and Anthony Ray react to it 😂. I love this track

[@anandasouthard7760]

The last couple songs he’s released needed a few listens to grow on me, but after a few listens, I really love them! This one sounds cooler with each listen!

[@communitygamer117]

Masochist are the one's enjoying their own suffering. A Sadist is one who enjoys inflicting pain and suffering on others.

[@iamnobody2]

this is dark powerful magick indeed, it is crazy how diverse this hiphop album, is going to be...

[@chrishill763]

I really appreciated your breakdown of this latest song by Ren. I know I struggled in the same way as you seemed to with some of the lyrics to this. This one made me sad actually because there has been a noticeable shift in Ren’s music lately. Ever since Murderer things have gone dark and exceedingly sexual. Those 2 things exist elsewhere in music and I think I was here more for the other side of Ren that would seek to uplift everyone around him in spite of his own struggles. I don’t need every song to be deep and introspective but I would be lying if I did not acknowledge that there are some lines that should go uncrossed. I have read that this song was born out of a desperate and destructive time in his life. I believe unfortunately it is those same dark moments that show us and others who we really are and what we become when no one is watching. I know everyone is riding the rollercoaster but it is good to stop and consider if that ride is just fun or something that can slowly hurt you over time. Just saying, the messages lately are coming from a different person than the one that I admired for his strength to talk about difficult issues.

[@Parula06]

Masochism isn't just a sexual orientation. Ren in this song sounds more like a sadist -- belligerent, angry, and taking it out on the world. But putting his darker side out in public could well be a masochistic act, particularly given the almost-certain reaction of fans who just want Ren to give them vibey feel-good music will have. I LOVE this track. His flow switches and rhyme schemes are phenomenal. Another banger!

[@sampanther8854]

Yup my thoughts too 😂✌️

[@ThisGuyDakota]

I saw another reaction with a comment that made it make more sense to me. It could be seen that he's a masochist because he's killing everything that's there to try and help him.

[@elektrovert]

As someone else pointed out (and I read it the same way) he says we're all masochists for allowing the old structures of society to control us the way they are. The whole system is broken and we need to start again. He says the same in "The Hunger" - "I raise my fist, the anti-capitalistic pissed I revel In society collapsing; Fantastic, now pump the treble"

[@element4studios]

This is definitely sick boi kicking it. Love the tune and the ride it takes us along on. Great beats, lyrical gymnastics, and fantastic references to old stuff. It's awesome!

[@glennhaynes4380]

This is why we love ren he pushes the boundaries, just when you get use to a nice happy beat coming from him like LM pt4 and down to the beat them boom!........ Time to feel uncomfortable again 😂

[@joehermanson_]

Ren loves pushing boundaries and I’m enjoying the ride! Another horrorcore group from my youth was Gravediggaz. 1994.

[@anandasouthard7760]

Oooo yes! Grave diggaz was the shit! Bought that on cassette in 9th grade! I’m old 😅

[@aprilkurtz1589]

A sadist gets off on inflicting pain, a masochist gets off on pain inflicted on them.

[@JGoodMagaMorons]

Take the curve of the earth and I flatten it is one of the best bars ever. Write that down.

[@jacks9624]

We're all trippin on MG3, dude Great reaction! Thanks! It is fun.

[@deano2568]

A masochist takes pain , a sado masochist delivers pain

[@coleeg69]

Your 40yr old intro/sound board/ the boys are back in town intro thing reminds of the FAMILY GUY radio station, Weenie and the Butt. 😂😂

[@TobiiRheaStarr]

I am obsessed with this tune! Can’t wait till we get the full album it’s freakin’ awesome so far. I love this side of Ren. 🖤

[@deliciousficticious3150]

Evening all. I was listening to Ren on Twitch but my phone doesn't like it. So Ive listened to Locowolf and Knox whilst waiting 😊

[@mattrleon]

Dude the fight club scheme??? Holy shit brilliant.

[@gletski7591]

Every reaction I've watched so far.. Have gone quiet when the religion bars were mentioned... And that's the point... Full reset on all the things that control us... Spread love ❤

[@claudiafrancisca6983]

It's so sweet you don't know what a masochist is... A masochist receives...

[@shaggjones4854]

love this has a horrorcore vibe to it!...You said it as soon as i typed this, Esham and Natas and a slew of Detroit artists do horrorcore, or acid rap or the Wicked shit

[@iamFabeL]

This man has looked up "Martha Stewart Sports Illustrated" A men of culture ;)

[@NikSays]

Just a fine curator of music. Has an ear for melody ❤

[@CLad-nc1ox]

Loved all the hiphop references in the lyrics and sounds, my take is like when something has gone wrong or when im really ill, i cuss at everything to dish out the pain ie masochist. Unfortunately many people will feel triggered, however if this was his first release of the album it would have been welcomed by mainstream media with open arms widespread replay, promotion and money. It feels like a counter to current culture in that respect whilst playing thier game, true hiphop?

[@AlanMordue-hx5wv]

Great reaction, masochism is self pain of various types and a sadist is doing it to others!

[@seagull01-cp8pb]

Great reaction. Thanks for pointing out All the hip hop references for us latecomers.💕👍🦇

[@skunkworksu7638]

Best rap Ren song for me. This is true 🔥🔥

[@DaProlifik1]

Yes on the acid rap vibe, Esham and NATAS feelings for sure with the atmosphere. Detroit represent! 7 mile. East Side Hoes And Money (esham)

[@FrogGinyu]

DUDE!!!! I'm not sure yet if it's my "favorite" from this album as everything that I've heard has been great, but definitely my favorite at this moment in time. The beat is ridiculous. Along with pretty much every other aspect.

[@SanPedroization]

That's one brutal track! Sounds like what getting run over by a 18-wheeler would likely feel like. It was great to watch you point out the nods he was making in the beginning. And then you dove deeper, and the reaction got even more brilliant. Love it, keep it up, BP🔥🔥🔥🔥🖤🖤🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@iancollins65]

He mentioned that he wrote this 2 years ago when he was really sick and really angry with life. It was a way to get it all out and release it all.

[@annasaunders2167]

Boom! Proud of you for catching the fight club bit and all those Old School rappers ! He wrote this one 2 yrs ago and was "very angry" at the time.

[@disgustipated_462]

Definitely pushes the boundaries in all directions. (Kill your masters- RTJ Reference?)

[@thatguyfromtexas13]

I think Ren is talking about releasing from our attachments.

[@psychotictactoe]

Ren demolishing everyone, it sick!

[@freebirdlaura]

@blackpegasus you're version of Richmen north of Richmond was included with other artist that covered the song over on @freedomtothink channel during a live show. All his lives move to channel members. He will have a edited version posted in a day or 2.

[@jasonremy1627]

Loved your breakdown. I think it really helped me connect with the song better!

[@topknightwolf]

-Hunger ...."I created a monster" ...... -Masochist..... do I really need to say anything ...llol😂😂

[@kosmosyche]

Good catch with Fight Club. Really like this - even darker - Ren.

[@mariehernandez648]

Keep react to Ren, and I promise your numbers will explode 🤯

[@rebriffer]

As always, nice job on the reaction BP, this was Ren really going for it. Congrats on the numbers for the Rich man remix

[@michaelfk2548]

Spot on !

[@austinsinger7565]

The beat was so damn sick in this one.

[@sorenm.lairdsorries7547]

Thank you ❤ @blackpegasusraps for another dope Ren reaction!

[@dearkhart]

Most people are missing the KRS-One shout out “Woop Woop that’s the sound of da police” , glad BP caught it

[@andrewoccleshaw359]

The chorus reminds me of the end phrasing in Illest of our time.