Very good analysis! Firefly is related to the stalleron hunters, we know this because Sam was the companion that apparently betrayed her in the dreamscape. Also, robin's voice suggests that sparkle has replaced her from the start. Because sparkle is not a skilled singer, it is likely that she cannot replicate robin's voice to its fullest.
@SDseb9 ай бұрын
If Sparkle did replace Robin from the start, how did the body stay intact up until we see her? Wouldn't it been splatted already when you're dead like Firefly? If she died in the real world, how could her body in dreamscape make it and die if Robin already died during the beginning?
@mythril3010 ай бұрын
Been waiting for your take on Penacony. I was waiting for your thoughts on Misha bc I also have a theory around him being connected directly to Watchmaker. (Like he could be the "Watchmaker's legacy"). He has so many clues around the concept of time. Even his iris is a keyhole. "A Child's Dream" map is like a whole idea of him. How he seems to be ignored by others except the MC. And how he is aware of the darkness in the dreamscape (proof via his e-mails). There's still a lot of things to unfold. I felt so sad seeng the To be continued screen. Cannot wait for the next parts.
@MrLoreAddict10 ай бұрын
Yes! I was actually thinking about including Misha in this video, however I chose to not talk about him yet because I wanted this video to be a 2.0 "recap with some explanations" But his role and connection with the watchmaker and the True Dreamscape is undeniable :)
@ShaedyPlays10 ай бұрын
Good catch on the Dr. Ratio conversation, I completely missed that
@siddycosmos60710 ай бұрын
I actually think Acheron is the Emanator of Nihility, due to the new relic set. If you look at her drip marketing, you’ll spot some red flowers, which are the exact same ones as the flowers on the armor of the "Pioneer Diver of the Deep Waters" relic set. Now, this relic set talks about Frebass, who was a young Nameless and had "a friend with a long sword whose past was unknown". You can connect the dots here, as in the 2.0 trailbraze quest, Acheron said that the TB reminded her of an old friend. Now the " friend" of Febrass encouraged her to search a path deeper than Akivili's, which resulted in them diving into some black hole, which the "friend" confirmed was into IX themself. My theory is that this friend was Acheron, and since the only story we have of her is seemingly related to the Nihility, Acheron herself is an Emanator of Nihility. Genius move by Hoyoverse by hyping her to be Finality tho lmao
@iAmPrice10 ай бұрын
During 1.6 livestream Owlbert says Acheron follows the path of the hunt, and he said so for each of the penacony character for example Preservation for adventurine, Remembrance for Blackswan, Destruction for sam, Elation for Sparkle and so on
@azharyyie10 ай бұрын
@@iAmPrice remember that she said everyone calls her that but the truth says otherwise. She is definitelt the emenator of finality . her eyes have the finality logo
@Auramaki_9 ай бұрын
@@iAmPriceyeah I never understood this... For example, sparkle follows the path of elation, but is a harmony character. Huh?
@iAmPrice9 ай бұрын
@@Auramaki_ path of a character and playable path is different from what i can tell, Jing Yuan is termed as the general of the hunt but he is an Erudition character
@Hasan-Firas10 ай бұрын
Imagine if there was a third Masked Fool that sent the invites and made the Something Unto Death kill specific targets just to mess with everyone and make the whole thing a joke to him/her
@morgoth_bauglir10 ай бұрын
Tbh that would be funny af, good for them
@spiderdude209910 ай бұрын
Aha himself trolling his own followers is so on brand honestly
@Kevin-rv8br10 ай бұрын
Another weird thing about aventurine during the conversation with Ratio is that he claims to have met acheron who introduced herself as a galaxy ranger. But acheron introducing herself as a galaxy ranger only happens once he leaves your room. I don't know if this means anything or if this is just an oversight, but you pointing out the really obvious parallels with sparkle reminded me of that
@belldandy_PZ10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! I love going back and looking at everything for things I may have missed in the lore and story!
@rociosilverroot226110 ай бұрын
We have a whole quest of setting up murders. With Sparkle. Robins death was likely a set up as well.
@Miandey10 ай бұрын
This! Red Herring and all ;)
@scp399910 ай бұрын
for me the most sus is misha. the floating text in the dreamscape mentioning a mikhail, which is the formal form of misha. more likely for a kid to be called misha than mikhail, unless the other person wasn't close to him at all. and he doesn't exist only in the dreamscape & is the same both there and irl so i doubt any exists-only-as-dream-memory-bubble deaging shenanigans is going on 🤔 if they make mikhail and misha separate people i will be so fucking mad it's literally like if there was a bob and a robert and they invented a different guy to be robert
@awesomeperson515010 ай бұрын
On top of that, Misha is canonically known to repair watches Misha’s grandfather is implied to have been a Nameless, and Firefly theorizes that the Watchmaker was a Nameless. Also, a readable in the Child’s Dream part talks about continuing something that a grandfather started.
@scp399910 ай бұрын
@@awesomeperson5150 OH! named after a family member, that would track too
@ItsDatGuy96910 ай бұрын
Also it weird because no one acknowledges Misha. When you first meet him, March doesn’t say anything. When you rescue Acheron and Misha, no one acknowledges him besides Clockie. Misha is also surprised when you tell him that you remember him.
@chips149 ай бұрын
I saw a video theorizing that misha could be a descendant of this Mikhail. We were told by himeko before we even got to penacony that we may find descendants of the nameless that stayed on the planet.
@magna744610 ай бұрын
"Nah i'd win" Duke Inferno
@Random_BS28899 ай бұрын
Du/ke
@strangermanly996610 ай бұрын
my personal theory is that the watchmaker and his legacy is connected to akivili and the astral express considering the invite and express members who decided to stay on penacony
@DebbyRoad10 ай бұрын
wow you're a true detective...!! 🕵Thank you so much!!
@dopelope811210 ай бұрын
You have one of the best. If not the best explanation of PEAKony. Good Work!
@cerebrus_gacha10 ай бұрын
Firefly is part of the Iris Family. "The Family" is actually made up of 5 other families: iris, oak, bloodhound, nightingale and alfalfa; Sunday for example is part of the Oak Family. When the game says "The Family" it could be... any of those 5 families.
@nar176810 ай бұрын
"Firefly: There are things... I'm hiding from you... Firefly: I'm not a local, and there's a reason why the Bloodhound Family is after me... I also have my own purpose for joining you on your journey..." her dialogue after the altercation with sampo(sparkle) seems to me shes not local, do you think theres a good reason for her lying in that part?
@cerebrus_gacha10 ай бұрын
@@nar1768 Yes she might not be local. But she also sais that she was adopted by "the family". Penacony was a penal colony (a jail) it had many non-local people. EDIT: also from those dialogues i understand that the families are not on good terms with eachother.
@mikakira_00629 ай бұрын
this mf knew Firefly was a stelaron hunter all the time
@binos-u6k10 ай бұрын
regarding the robin voice, i did hear alot of talk that the robin we met at the start was actually sparkle, as well as the sampo we met with firefly, the backing to this would be that, during the tb mission, sampo's voice is clearly much deeper, but during the sparkle mission, specifically at the end, his voice was normal, as well as the fact that sampo left penacony before the tb mission started signaled to by the end of the sparkle mission, do you think this could work?
@mythril3010 ай бұрын
Idk if you saw it clearly but it's very clear that the MC never saw the real Sampo so far. We, as players only saw him in Black Swan's companion quest. All Sampo that we see with trailblazer is actually Sparkle. It's not just even his voice but at how Sampo talked was wrong. Sparkle also mistaken Firefly as March 7th bc she didn't know what she looked like.
@Onic1410 ай бұрын
Waiiit! So Dr. Ratio was actually speaking with Sparkle?! Holly shet... I didn't even realize 😮
@scrappy_horns813910 ай бұрын
I trust Acheron…i felt like she and Firefly are the only genuine ones in Penacony aside from our Astral Express gang
@edssszy10 ай бұрын
Firefly is Sam. The way she is very descriptive about Sampo’s features, kind of seemed “Roboty” like when Sam scanned Acheron and Black Swan in the fight. And I have a feeling that Acheron is somewhat a traitor. When she keeps apologizing when Firefly died saying “I have no choice”.
@Miandey10 ай бұрын
She is a puppet from the Everflame mansion, remember the trailer Puppet. Oh i dont believe Ifrit is dead. We have been told you can impriosn Energy Lifeforms but not kill them. Okay maybe an Emenator is able, who knows.. they made a mystery thriller and it has 3 episodes, we started just now :)
@thelastcup956010 ай бұрын
My theory is that we have never actually met the real Robin and it was Sparkle all along because her voice was "off" even in reality. Because Robin's first line in the quest: "He said you are the most dashing person in Penacony how interesting?". (When Aventurine compliments Sunday) Which in my opinion is really off because Robin is not really in good terms with the family (we can learn this from Singlers world quest) so I don't think Robin would even follow Sunday kinda everywhere in the Reverie. Also when the Aventurine and Sparkle scene happens when they talk about Sunday, I don't really think Sparkle would have followed Aventurine everywhere, so she would only know these if she was with Sunday and Aventurine in the Reverie. I also do belive Sunday knew Robin is not Robin at the begining the reason why he didn't turn her off because it would've been too much trouble and rather confronted her after the quest. I could still go on why but this comment is already to long hehe.
@DarkMaidenFlan10 ай бұрын
As much as I don't trust Firefly, I want her to still be with us.
@S1eth10 ай бұрын
1:30 "all of the illusions are talking about events that haven't happened yet" How do you know the BS/Sparkle dialog did not happen before we entered Penacony? Also, the Sunday/Robin discussion about her voice. Only the Ratio Ave dialog looks like it may be in the future.
@MrLoreAddict10 ай бұрын
The dialog between Black Swan and Sparkle occured after the Penacony main quest. You can see the chronological order of quests in Fate's Atlas.
@pizzavert402010 ай бұрын
@@MrLoreAddictthe dialogue between sparkle and bs was in a dream bubble, so it could’ve happened before we arrived. also, in the dream bubble the real sampo was with them but when we arrived he seemed to have already left penacony
@RenaiMaster0810 ай бұрын
OMG Sparkle is impersonating Adventurine in the beginning? That's dope
@mr.miscellaneous107910 ай бұрын
It's funny how Misha wasn't really mentioned in this video despite being released, having a similar-looking pin to the nameless and no lines of dialogue with any of the cast that isn't us and the dream-created sentient beings. not even the socialite that March 7th acknowledged his existence which brings into question, is he the same "thing" that Clockie is? Is that what when he was saved along with Achereon no one said anything to him that wasn't us or Clockie? Also, what was up with that dreamscape that was clearly built around his experiences in the past
@shotosuga333810 ай бұрын
Regarding the death of firefly. I am really unsure if she is really dead since we know that the material of the dreamscape isnt real(firefly pointed this out during her tour where she said you can review cars but they have to be shipped in the real world). So why would an attack in the dreamscape actually hurt the person? The Trailblazer dropped into the dreamscape as well but seemed to be unharmed afterwards. Whats even more confusing is why robin is concidered dead even by her brother. We found her corpse in the dreamscape as well so we dont know what actually happened to her body.
@danielwarrior103210 ай бұрын
Robins voice was wrong because it wasnt Robin, Robin was dead already and Sparkle was filling in for her, we can assume this to be true from her dialogue with Sunday at the very end of the quest, Sparkle was ALWAYS Robin every time we saw her, which means Robin probably died way before
@vanitasastra10 ай бұрын
Good catch man rhat was definitely sparkle and i dont think anyone else noticed
@nootnoot42159 ай бұрын
His detective skills are impeccable. Aged incredibly well.
@m0ldy_cupcake10 ай бұрын
If Acheron is an Emanator of Finality and she keeps talking about how Trailblazer reminds her of an old friend she lost, doesn’t this mean she might be the Mei from the HI3 universe? Mei might’ve stolen the power of Finality from Kiana to save her from her fate
@rowanorwa10 ай бұрын
I don't think Aventurine is Sparkle talking to Dr. Ratio. Then we would have to assume that she was also in the MC room, because Aventurine says that he just met Acheron. And I'm not sure that she is able to find out who the "real" Aventurine has already come into contact with. She didn’t even know what March 7 looked like, although she could at least ask Sampo the color of her hair.
@sushi362010 ай бұрын
Yeah I really doubt that being the case as that would imply that sparkle was the one we meet in the beginning as well since aventurine talks about his stuff (cornerstones etc) being taken away when he speaks to ratio. Also the fact that he initially seems put off by the comment ratio makes about him essentially being a slave before putting on a poker face again, it wouldn't make much sense if it was sparkle and the theory kinda takes away from aventurine as a character imo
@stephanieworkman511010 ай бұрын
I hadn’t even considered Sparkle being with the Annihilation Gang. Everything seems to point to her being with the Stellaron hunters, but that could be a red herring.
@CM464-l9b10 ай бұрын
Only thing breaking down is our hearts
@KuroNekos10 ай бұрын
you forgot a why so serious when trailblazer hands dan heng his letter and why was robin in ex adventurines bathub the room i traiblazer was supposed to be in as we got attacked by death memory zone meme
@ironheadedDoF10 ай бұрын
Black Swan warns the player, twice, that people can lie. She even includes herself as potential liar, with caveat that Remembrance cannot lie. We can not, and should not, assume a characters dialog is true or true exposition to the players. Characters may have limited knowledge, or limited perspective of the knowledge they have. We all must wait for the adventure to play out.
@nar176810 ай бұрын
wait, maybe the trailblazer observing the bodies makes them dissapear?
@ICNHH10 ай бұрын
why tho and they disappeared in different ways (firefly burst into water, robin turned into bubbles)
@mrpyrostorm316510 ай бұрын
Assuming Firefly didn't lie. She is a member of the family. The Iris family, just as Robin is from the Oak family. Both fall under the collective "The Family"
@ohhpingpong555410 ай бұрын
yeah uh no she literally said she was a stowaway
@ohhpingpong555410 ай бұрын
and fire fly is sam
@mrpyrostorm316510 ай бұрын
@ohhpingpong5554 everyone and their dog knows that. I'm talking about the comment in the video about what faction she belongs to. Did you watch the video before responding to my comment or did you just want some attention?
@iAmPrice10 ай бұрын
Okay so idk why no ones talking about it, but during the 1.6 livestream when all the characters from penacony were getting teased, Owlbert says Acheron follows the path of the hunt. Does that not mean she in an Emanator of that path??
@MrLoreAddict10 ай бұрын
The Galaxy Rangers follow the path of The Hunt. But thanks to the illusions showing the future in her dreamscape, the changing red text and her weird behaviour, it's assumed that she is lying about being a Galaxy Ranger and is instead linked to Finality (or Nihility according to some).
@iAmPrice10 ай бұрын
@@MrLoreAddict oh welp that makes more sense now if her identity as a galaxy ranger is been called into question
@SilverLawrenceGamingg10 ай бұрын
1:24 i hope its me caelus 💍 i only trust black swan
@canaldecasta10 ай бұрын
Can't even trust Pom-pom at this point man.
@prajwalm301110 ай бұрын
amazing
@Jnf200610 ай бұрын
NL?
@AzureRuby969 ай бұрын
Do we really know if dying in dream is actually dying in the real world?
@marknavarro74979 ай бұрын
Yes, there might be a chance that someone can rescue there memory inside the dream im the future but basically they're dead at this point until they reveal if its possible
@Astra9a10 ай бұрын
I feel like a character dies every update this game might kill Trilblazer once more.
@Astra9a10 ай бұрын
When firefly said his steps are strong but barely audible, I knew he was Sampo. "I HAVE A SPECIAL WAY OF WALKING CALLED INVISIBLE SNOW WALKING"
@charlestonho673310 ай бұрын
Firefly is Stelleron Hunter SAM
@vc496110 ай бұрын
Firefly is sam
@cerebrus_gacha10 ай бұрын
no she is not. in the quest she literally talks with "somebody" that she calls "MECH". Is there any other mech in Penacony?
@zasshu.724010 ай бұрын
@@cerebrus_gachaIt's possible she's the pilot but Sam themself is just an AI in the suit or something Like some JARVIS to a Tony Stark style thing
@cerebrus_gacha10 ай бұрын
@@zasshu.7240 Sam is an Iron Knight of the Republic of Glamoth. If you want to go the "JARVIS" route then, yes it could be possible. The Iron Knights were build and controlled by their empress to fight The Swarm. There is no evidence however that Sam can or cannot have free will. He could be controlled by Firefly but then again, he could also be controlled by Elio - The leader of the Stellaron Hunters. What i said earlier is proven in game; how Sam functions is all speculation so far.
@ArcusArgent10 ай бұрын
Have you guys done the Lesley Dean mission? My theory is that they used the collective memories of the Stellaron Hunters to create a memory of the armor to aid Firefly in her role for Penacony for Elio's script.