Huge Cheating Scandal is Finally Over

[@ronaldomaldonado1582]

Glad they finally pulled the plug on this whole scandal

[@npc2153]

Hans butt got saved

[@legendarien1075]

I'm happy for him. All of that negative press must've been a pain in the ass

[@kokowoch]

finally loosened up this tight situation

[@uniquegod1997]

i had to giggle u made me make my feet kick up air in love you i hi

[@user-11Il10I1]

He was satisfied as a whole.

[@ItsAZues]

This scandal is almost a year old!? Wow, time really flies.

[@gmunny46]

​@RomanisRandomstop existing tho

[@timbertinkers9501]

​@RomanisRandomthank you for stopping my heart hoping this is true

[@WeAreTheQs]

You must be over 25, I feel this

[@Blair_xWx]

​@RomanisRandomI want to die so

[@xavierwashington5408]

No fr, I was like wtf 11 months??

[@myroncoetzee5228]

I feel sorry for Hans, must of been a pain in the ass getting through all this

[@joseandkris]

Lol, nice one :D

[@Goz969]

Unironically bigger than butt plug pain.

[@themug406]

must have

[@WRLDOfSad]

😭

[@milojadez]

🤣

[@dohpam1ne]

One of the big takeaways from this resolution is that Magnus Carlsen has agreed to compete against Hans Neimann in future in-person tournaments. At the start of this whole scandal, Magnus said he wouldn't play in any tournaments that Hans played in, which would basically instakill Hans's career, since every major chess tournament will invite Magnus over Hans if they're forced to pick one.

[@rance2799]

I'm pretty sure his career is still in ruins as people will always associate him with the allegation.

[@Lockdown335]

@@rance2799 The prior allegations dont help him

[@bobchipman4473]

I have lost alot of respect for Magnus over this. He (effectively) accused Neiman of cheating without any evidence and seriously messed up that guy's career over being salty.

[@allyrose6437]

​@@bobchipman4473yeah felt like his ego was hurt when he lost so called cheats.

[@Villosa64]

@@rance2799 he's forever known as the buttplug grandmaster

[@AdamIsUrqed]

This whole debacle teaches a valuable lesson: anytime you are defeated in life, accuse the victor of cheating then plant a remote buttplug in their car.

[@markalanajon3295]

Words to live by

[@inquisitorofthegodemperor8434]

True Machiavellianism at work

[@nabongobong9155]

What a magnusficent life lesson

[@MrSqurk]

It’s weird that this isn’t the only buttplug cheating story I have heard.

[@monsesh1316]

There's actual irrefutable evidence that he was cheating. Source: my arse

[@JuHackman]

Many people were actually misinformed about the vibrator thing and I had people walking up to me saying “did you hear about that guy that cheated with the butt plug??” 😂😂

[@lounirs]

Some channels presented things as if it was a sure thing, I had no idea it was all an allegation. It's really twisted

[@jfr1995]

It was even less of a sure thing than that lol. A content creator came up with it as a joke.@@lounirs

[@lukew6725]

Yeah, because you had unethical morons making claims as if they were facts.

[@Vitorruy1]

​@@jfr1995 It's crazy how someone can make up something as an obvious meme and get it repeated as fact by content hungry hienas

[@jfr1995]

@@Vitorruy1 yep completely agree

[@The_Big_Schmoe]

Crazy how it took this long for this to finally wrap up.

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@evie9075]

the bots🤦‍♀️

[@the_ejumper_0804]

Bro the video came out 2 minutes ago

[@klonoafan2012]

God these bots are so annoying and youtube is doing jack to stop it

[@The_Big_Schmoe]

@@evie9075 I’m not a bot, I looked at the video as soon as it came out, then made a comment so I could be one of the first people here. Kind of dumb, but I think it’s cool to get to something first.

[@terrycraft6500]

I think the most impressive part about the scandal is that Always Sunny was able to put out an episode on this so god damn fast.

[@paddyhassett3577]

Totally agree, for me that episode is my personal favourite (from the new season)

[@joenoodle6914]

@CrewmateComplexClan good for you :)

[@p6v665]

thats what happens when youre a nazi

[@p6v665]

they call it blitzkrieg

[@FeedingKittens]

@@joenoodle6914 you're talking to a bot

[@trumpeterjen]

Whether Hans cheated or not, its says a lot that one other player--Magnus Carlsen, in this case--can cause such an impact this way. He practically tanked Hans' career with one allegation. Hopefully this kind of thing won't become the norm.

[@ShatteredP]

Magnus carlsen is the world champ(for multiple years)while hans has been caught multiple times cheating in online games

[@ISmellMopWho]

@@ShatteredPCarlsen didn't accuse him of cheating online though, he WRONGFULLY accused him of cheating in the live game that he lost to Hans because he has a fragile ego. Yes this probably wouldn't have happened had Hans never cheated in online games, but it also wouldn't have happened if Carlsen was mature enough to realize that he's not invincible and can lose from time to time, which clearly he isn't.

[@jaketerpening3284]

@@ISmellMopWho Well it was kind of sus when Hans explanation for how he prepped for the game was based on events that didn't happen. I wouldn't say that Carlsen's only grounds was that he lost. He has lost other times and not called foul play.

[@meciocio]

​@@jaketerpening3284as this guy said Magnus was aware of Hans cheating online in his younger years that's why he decided to make that allegation based on his ego. To this day, there's no evidence that Hans cheated in that game nor that he ever cheated in over the board tournaments. Which would be very difficult to pull off than in online games.

[@Lanoixsette]

@@jaketerpening3284 i honestly think that he didnt prep at all and went in raw yfm? and just had to fib prepping bc he didnt want to SOUND like a cheater yk?

[@HeyThisIsBrian]

"We damn near revived Oppenheimer to build a functioning chess bot butt plug" is not a sentence I thought I'd be hearing today.

[@darrentheshagmastertill]

Hans Neimann is going to create vibrations across the Chess World with his return

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

[@TheElbowMerchant]

The Shagmaster is also a chess aficionado? Truly a gentleman and a scholar.

[@crypticchris8812]

@@ChrisShafferOfficialbots are wild

[@IR-Fan]

I actually misread "return" with "rectum"

[@jjthe]

Unfortunately I don't think that his career will entirely recover

[@lexslate2476]

Let's be real, the internet would take any excuse to explore the intersection between chess cheating and teledildonics.

[@JosephSmith-jr8zj]

Underrated comment

[@lexslate2476]

@@JosephSmith-jr8zj Thank you. Also, I will take any excuse to use words that amuse me. Like 'teledildonics', or 'disestablishmentarianism'.

[@alexdasliebe5391]

Wireless teledildonics are way better than the olde-timey days of wired teledildonophony , ​@@lexslate2476

[@marioe.]

@@lexslate2476 i still cant believe that teledildonics and cyberdildonics are real words

[@lexslate2476]

@@marioe. The English language is a train wreck intersecting a car crash and a tire fire, but it does get us some fun words occasionally.

[@remingtongagnard4442]

The accusation of cheating coming from such a figure in the community is a big deal, massive reputational damage. Prior online cheating really makes the water muddy in Magnus/Hikaru's defense, but it's not proof

[@Leo0718]

We are just now hearing a new rule coming from FIDE. No one who has ever been a child is going to be invited into tournaments anymore. Too many cheaters.

[@iggywow]

@@MamadNobari would be a legitimate reply if Mads Mikkelsens character had been a convicted online predator

[@SweetAHE]

"The only way to win a chess match is to not play at all, because it's a stupid game made for the elite. Like golf. Same concept." ~Me, 2023

[@TheSuperappelflap]

right, so anyone can just cheat if they want to, because even if they get caught, they wont be banned from competing. and then they can just cheat again, and the evidence is "inconclusive" and its not fair to their career to ban them. even though it has been conclusively proven they did cheat in the past. it doesnt matter that thats unfair to the careers of everyone who doesnt cheat. you can either have a sport where you ban proven cheaters for life, with a few false positives, or you can have a sport where everyone is blatantly cheating and then straight up denies it. see: professional cycling.

[@HilbertXVI]

​@@SweetAHE Most smooth brained take in this whole comment section

[@ryanreviews8566]

the rep damage magnus did to this guy is irredeemable 😂 but having a history of cheating just made it too easy lol

[@jaxsazerac4904]

Yeah he should sue Magnus. Dude took a loss so bad that he claimed his opponent had a vibrator in his ass. 🤦

[@ex.O]

well hans had a reputation not that old before hand and not a reasonable carer to hold his new title, also not guilty isn't the same as innocent although in business nothing really matters I guess.

[@bobchipman4473]

​@ex.O still, he made these allegations without any evidence at all which was extremely reckless and practically defamatory.

[@Lockdown335]

The prior allegations dont help him

[@LampHatScott]

Some people don't realize that anyone can be beaten. Even the greatest people at their craft can be bested by someone else.

[@ameribano8910]

I’m glad it got all resolved and hope that Hans and Mangus have long great careers

[@therainman7777]

Mangus 😂

[@jebbush4godemperor285]

I don’t I’m not super into chess but mangus having such a fragile ego to accuse someone of using a butt plug to cheat. I have no respect for the guy

[@theberserker_of_falconia]

​@@jebbush4godemperor285Agreed he need to prove himself that mangus guy just a coward and a cheat.

[@charlesreid9337]

@@jebbush4godemperor285 he isnt the one who came up w the buttplug bullshit the "chess media" ran w that onr

[@natsugineo6695]

​@@jebbush4godemperor285 Literally nothing from your statement is true. Magnus didn't accuse Hans of cheating, only refused to play against Hans in the future (which he probably suspect Hans for cheating but the whole cheating accusation and butt plug thing was from the internet). There's a lot of things that point toward Hans cheated. On the other hand, the only thing protecting Hans is that there is no DEFINITE proof.

[@matsuri3423]

The same thing happened in the Japanese chess scene, where one of the best player suspected an opponent of using AI in the middle of a game. However, no one could prove his cheating. Now, a lot of people are criticizing the player who started suspecting him, as his career is ruined, just like Hans.

[@thegamerfe8751]

Hey at least they actually held the accuser accountable unlike Magnus.

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

I mean Nieman admitted to cheating in other games so he isnt soo innocent in the end

[@peaceweapon1933]

Being a sheep must be a Japanese thing

[@bendover7841]

​@@thegamerfe8751Magnus is considered the GOAT. He brings a majority of viewers to the chess scene. He's untouchable.

[@Leo0718]

@@fritzschnitzmueller3768 When he was 12 years old, online. People really act like this is a 80yo GM that cheated his way into a career. He cheated once when he was a stupid kid. Niemann is not even 20. It's not unreasonable to think that people grow and mature over time, specially during their teen years. The matter of the fact is that in chess no one is untouchable. Old GM will eventually be bested by younger players. It happens in every single sport. No human being is infallible.

[@Nateylion]

In the past year Hans had only lost 20 rating points despite only being able to challenge one player that had a higher rating than him. Having to only versus lower rated opponents for a whole year is essentially rating suicide and somehow he came away mostly unscathed. Gotta give him props.

[@69nites]

41. He broke 2700 grinding people much lower rated than him as well. More importantly, his average accuracy since the scandal caused increased security has dropped in a significant way despite not facing the absolute top competition. I think it's more likely that he was playing far above his actual level for a short period than actually cheating, but he has returned to the level of play that is normal for him. Outside the top 50, not a super gm, but a very solid GM.

[@cngotham4111]

​@@69nitesIm always gonna be sus if this situation. It's hard to find someone cheating on chess in real time after the fact. So it doesn't surprise if he was cheating that all evidence of it happen is gone

[@hi1itsme]

@@69nitesalso, everyone misses the fact he started to play accurate after the opponent made sub par moves. His punish game is probably just amazing.

[@kxstia]

@@69nites yes, surely the kid was playing 400 elo above his usual level while looking like he took too many mushrooms, he was jittery not paying attention to the board.. beating magnus like he is not even thinking about it lmfao

[@windy8544]

@@kxstia and forgot his moves immediately afterwards just like a normal honest player

[@proarch9659]

"Once a cheater, always a cheater." has always rubbed me the wrong way. That's basically implying that the person can't ever grow and change as a person and will always make the same mistakes forever.

[@HighViscosity]

Second chances, most often, are best reserved for mistakes. Cheating isn't that. It's an intentional and damaging breach of someone's trust. Strangely, for as common as it is, I've never heard a 'good' reason to cheat that I could understand. It usually boils down to one partner feeling they're lacking something like affection. You know what your recourse is, then? You break up. That's it. If you can't do that, then you are simply a coward. Only the worst of us can find rationale behind cheating, and if they can once, it's not outrageous to imagine they would again. That's not the same as saying they can't change, but you shouldn't expect anyone to have to throw in behind someone who's already shown they can be duplicitous. Some things in this world are unforgivable. If you break someone's trust, their defenses go up. If you want to be a better person, you shouldn't need a chorus telling you to do so. If you can't grow otherwise, you probably weren't capable of growth in the first place.

[@hish33p32]

​@@HighViscosity bro/sis, you're coping. There's a big difference between cheating in a romantic relationship and cheating on a sport game.

[@Aritis]

I honestly wish this never truly ended

[@LuisSierra42]

This was the sequel we needed for The Queen's Gambit

[@JunkBondTrader]

it didn't, truly end. The validity of that game is, and will always be questionable.

[@willevensen7130]

@@JunkBondTraderI think it’s pretty clear that he won that match with the findings now.

[@TuShan18]

Well, look at the walking dead. That show was stretched out so long that nobody cared when it ended. This one on the other hand came to a satisfying conclusion before it was able to overstay its welcome.

[@onewithsocks]

​@@LuisSierra42 The King's Buttplug

[@Joshua-gc4ps]

No way, I’ve been thinking about this for the past months so glad you updated us.

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@angrykagg421]

So a friend told me about all this a couple months back and it is wild. The biggest problem with this guy was his reputation for cheating he did while playing chess online and the inconsistency he showed during certain matches. The later part could be over looked as simply being human, but his history of cheating online couldn’t. The butt plug thing is hilarious, but we will never know. Honestly the good take away is that people make mistakes and are more than those mistakes.

[@swe872]

the actual theory was he payed a magnus team member to get his prep, and prepared against it with a bot, which isnt that weird and has probably happened a lot under scene

[@ib1s137]

It was a combination of his inconsistency and absurd accuracy in some games, having consistently 95%+ accuracy in high depth chess engines. Which is higher than anyone ever in the world.

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

​@@ib1s137those accuracy numbers are inaccurate and dare I say nonsensical. "Chessbase gives a 100% engine correlation score for a game where, for each move, at least one of the three engine analyses uploaded by Chessbase editors marked that move as the best move, no matter how many different engines were consulted. This method will give 100% to games where no singe engine would have given 100% accuracy to a player. There might not even be a single engine that would give a player over 10% accuracy!"

[@benta2103]

buttplug cheating scandal is a phrase I thought I would never hear in my life

[@weaponizedglitter69]

We can all agree we are better people for it

[@ucd949]

You know the whole situation is wild when Always Sunny makes an episode based on it.

[@Vaultboythefightingmachine]

That penguinz0 guy is a chomo punk

[@Drifter1989]

@@MamadNobariConsidering last season also had episodes referencing real life events, it was probably intentional. Another episode this season was the inflation episode

[@elmok]

Wait, always sunny is still going on?

[@ItsAGhostParty]

On the whole, I'm glad we can put this asinine situation behind us.

[@watermelons79]

Personally, I still believe he had a mirror on the ceiling so he could cheat by seeing Magnus’ side of the board through the mirror. Now it hasn’t be confirmed, however, mirrors are easy to get, just think, how hard would it be for him to go to Walmart and tape one up before the match?

[@leeboy26]

Thankyou. I've been telling people since this happened that with a ceiling mirror he could see if Magnus was bluffing with his pieces, perhaps even stashing a Queen or two up his sleeve.

[@DPHAngelPookz]

You think they didn’t check for that shit?

[@aoibheall55]

​@@DPHAngelPookz...

[@skyrat1896]

​@@DPHAngelPookz you're a smart one.. arent you..

[@DPHAngelPookz]

@@skyrat1896 since it is an easy option they would obviously look for one of those things first

[@hanaehanaess642]

So imagine ur playing a game and they humiliated u by saying ur cheating but also cheating with a plug this extremely humiliating

[@BlxxdLeaf]

Always sunny in Philadelphia did a great episode revolving this in the newest season. So good.

[@KaitlynGRobinson]

this guy covers literally any topic and it's always great

[@SnoppleWopple]

Nuh uh

[@riccardodellorto4267]

He is a chess GM, after all

[@DWAC]

​@@riccardodellorto4267Charlie is? Like for real?

[@Grizzy6122]

@@DWACduh, no other way he would’ve been able to beat xQc in six moves like that

[@sageof6pandas233]

Truly a story to shiver our butholes and tickle our cheeks

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂... .

[@ratkaslana]

Bruh 😭🤣

[@sutton9000]

Bro these replies need jesus

[@sageof6pandas233]

@@sutton9000 pls help

[@annpc8266]

youre trying too hard to do the juvenile charlie humour

[@somegalulbad642]

>best player in the world >starts to lose one time >get mad and accuse guy of cheating

[@somegalulbad642]

@@suggondees4882 blud is willing to destroy a person's career just cause he lost

[@pineapple7024]

“Like the man with the yellow hat, my george was getting curious” was the most unhinged statement I’ve heard in a while

[@sunnydaze905]

Magnus will never apologize and his fanboys would die before admitting wrong

[@WRLDOfSad]

4:25 the 100 mil really put em in their seats

[@Mandate_of_Heaven]

can’t believe that chess actually has scandals to speak of

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@IonicHawk]

Yeah, usually the chess speaks for itself 😂

[@Sleary]

The bots 💀

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

[@TojiFushigoroWasTaken]

​@RomanisRandomall this did was made me leave a couple of hate comments and dislikes on your pis poor attempt at being a youtuber....happy?

[@adamarnold3893]

This is one of the chess cheating scandal of all times

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@adamarnold3893]

@@p-__ nuh uh

[@adamarnold3893]

@@quartdudedid you drink the moist potion at 3 am

[@ashleycd6487]

5 bots 💀

[@adamarnold3893]

@@ashleycd6487 I'm starting a collection

[@R3dCol0r]

Look at the end of the second paragraph which states: "...and they agree they should each be able to talk openly about their views." Key component if you ask me.

[@carson784]

A sharp game with a wild opening that ultimately ended in a draw

[@Eorthstapa]

It's honestly not surprising how anal chess players can be, but this was a wild situation to begin with. It will be interesting to see what comes of it, or if people will keep making accusations to provide a pain in the rear for Hans.

[@waycnf7229]

hehehhee... anal...

[@bruderschweigen6889]

Very clever

[@victormanzella933]

I'm confident hans will climb out of the hole he's in

[@CarpeNoctem135]

Iduno man, chess news isn’t interesting to me. I don’t see what the buzz is about.

[@donfizzle22]

Hans and Magnus are the most “I play chess for a living” names I’ve ever heard.

[@ScubaFanatic60]

Charlie, i absolutely love your videos because of your content and turn of phrase. Keep it up!

[@redlighting844]

I feel like if it was online, then yea they would have had grounds to believe he was cheating, but to seeing how the event was in person face to face and he has 0 past cheating scandals in person events, makes everyone who was against him have 0 actual evidence

[@LuciferWrld999]

What. So you think a guy with a history of cheating wouldn't cheat again. Just because he has no past of in person doesn't mean anything when you've shown you'll cheat where its easiest to do it with little to no repercussions.

[@redlighting844]

@@LuciferWrld999 I never said he couldn't cheat, I'm saying there no way for someone to cheat IN PERSON, without it being obvious. Easily he can cheat online but that's not what the issue was about, it's about whether or not he cheated in person

[@redlighting844]

@@LuciferWrld999 and as u said, he would cheat where it's easiest, so doesn't that mean he, legitimately, beat one of the best players in the world with his own skills then?

[@LuciferWrld999]

@@redlighting844 you said it would understandable to accuses of him cheating if it was online since he has a past of cheating online, but since its in person his past holds no weight, which is stupid, because even if its harder to cheat in person, if someone has shown to be a cheater when things aren't that serious or there isn't anything on the line, then they would mostly cheat when it is serious and something is on the line.

[@redlighting844]

@@LuciferWrld999 some of his online cheating stuff had stuff on the line i.e money etc.but each event has different precautions set up to stop/ catch cheating and also y there's people who watches them to make sure they aren't just suspiciously looking around someone and somewhere compared to online. Which is y I said his cheating online shouldn't be a factor when theatter is an face to face match

[@Thanos-hp1mw]

Cheating scandal is over! Vladimir Kramnik: Allow me to introduce myself

[@runa_7022]

also i think what actually happened is there was a "mole" from magnus's side, giving hans the opportunity to study his opener when he hadnt used it yet, cheating is always a possibility as technology is always advancing, but i think its also equally possible he just had someone tell him what to study

[@whatever1538]

Nah, the butt plug sounds more reasonable and realistic to me.

[@LordZanas]

Isnt Chess a spectator sport? Is there anything preventing Hans from watching future opponents past matches to get an idea for their playstyle?

[@swe872]

@@LordZanas Thats the problem, in this high level chess there isnt such thing as a playstyle; also the thing that made this weird was that magnus has such a fucking obscure prep something he has never played before so there was no way niemann could know even know an idea of what magnus had for opening/midgame; unless.... well what the other guy said, there was a mole on magnus team which is actually the cause since soon after that some members of his team were actually fired. Im actually disappointed critikal didnt even cared to read a bit about the drama and stayed with the info that twitter gave him.

[@npc2153]

When court cases are played perfectly they are a draw. ~ Hikaru probably

[@lv.99mastermind45]

"Put our differences behind us" After accusing him of having things in his behind

[@CazzyVR]

Honestly, I think this says a lot about magnus's personality and type of person. He is if the fact that he was beaten by someone and instead of the first reaction to be to think the Victor for a good game and to congratulate him. No, his first immediate reaction is to accuse him of cheating and refusing to play against him...

[@brendolbreadwar2671]

I think Hans saw two choices in front of him. He could either go through a very long and hard court case that he doesn’t know the outcome of, or, he could get his career back with full support, and earn his way back to the top. I think it’s an easy choice for someone that has passion for what they do. He just wanted his life back, not some pay day where he quits forever.

[@charlesreid9337]

Hans isnt the one who backed down

[@heatheninferos2231]

⁠@@charlesreid9337They never said he did. He got what he wanted - a slate clear of the allegation. The $100,000,000 was probably just some kind of tactic to get there.

[@brendolbreadwar2671]

@@heatheninferos2231 yeah exactly. I’m sure he would of been fine with 100mil, but at the end of the day, anyone in his position would just want their old life back.

[@suzann824]

The case was dismissed by a judge

[@charlesreid9337]

@@suzann824 i posted a bigger comment earlier. But the judge dismissed two of the federal claims.. which should have been.. with prejudice. He dismissed the two State claims due to lack of jurisdiction which means simply that they were filed in the wrong court and should be refiled in the correct jurisdiction. The fact there was a settlement tells you there was in fact ongoing civil action. These two were NOT dismissed for lack of merit

[@janpawedwa4590]

Shouldn't Carlsen get punished then? His behaviour of a little kid who takes his boardgame home after losing once, and creating this whole scandal really hurt chess as a sport.

[@rubikabunkuru4387]

One thing I don't agree with is how people like Charlie point out that his past as a cheater in important but none of them address the other dude. Man is such a loser he accused a guy of cheating without any proof cause he was mad he lost then went out of his way to try and ruin his career by getting everyone against him. If he truly didn't cheat then those actions are genuinely unacceptable and he's a horrible piece of shit after blatantly and knowingly hurling such a false accusation at someone to try and desperately maintain his image as the top chess player by using that title and prestige to turn everyone against him fully knowing that he was leveraging the communities trust and belief in him.

[@AZREDFERN]

Wouldn’t it be just as easy to hide a haptic engine in the heel of a shoe?

[@numan3465]

I JUST WATCHED THE EPISODE OF IT'S ALWAYS SUNNY TALKING ABOUT THIS WTF!!!!

[@Postaldude__]

Hahahaha Frank vs Russia

[@santijvidela]

If It wasn´t for the differences in the backround, I'd be convinced Charlie films all his videos the same day. He looks the same every day, and I'm all for it.

[@Dhovakim]

He's like Homer Simpson in that way

[@jawvey5363]

this story was like the most random thought someone can have

[@mirmarq429]

Hans is going full villain mode and I am here for it

[@AChunkyDog]

Imagine ruining someone's life because you lost a board game.

[@anonym6467]

A board game where a couple hundred of thousands of dollars are on the line. Also, he did cheat, at least in the past.

[@AChunkyDog]

@@anonym6467 So you're telling me he's a sore loser. Got it.

[@FrenkieWest32]

ruining someone's life? Okay dramaqueen.

[@AChunkyDog]

@@FrenkieWest32 Eeeeeeeyeah. Dude built up his reputation as a world class chess player, only to have his passion and career halted by a sore loser. Prove me wrong.

[@FrenkieWest32]

@@AChunkyDog cheated, lied about it, got caught, cheated again, lied about it again, got caught again, cheated again. Wow, what an amazing reputation he was fostering.

[@T24LIFE2]

Imagine getting called a cheater for winning and almost losing your entire career

[@cngotham4111]

I mean if you look at how he played he's not on Magnus level,cheating past and then wins. I'd call bullshit to if I was Magnus it's still hella sus but it is what it is.

[@dooflydetailguuy4349]

​@@cngotham4111he saw Magnus was playing a lot of Catalan online when he wants to play offbeat openings so he said he studied Catalan just that morning. Seems fair too.

[@ktxkunta]

@@cngotham4111 lord for bid hans had a better game than usual or magnus just had a bad day, feels like the whole pro chess scene is very toxic.

[@Priyanshu9056]

​@@ktxkuntaHe made things worse for himself, said that he prepared this specific line before the game, turns out that magnus has only played that line only once iirc, also that cheating history didn't help.

[@nothingisitchingme5874]

@@ktxkuntamagnus seems like a sour bum

[@BigGuyJojo]

The damage is already done I would've kept pushing the charges no matter how much money I'm offered they already fucked up

[@scorcher117]

Is them giving him payment as compensation for the settlement really a surprising thing? That seems like a very believable and no nonsense scenario.

[@MarkelScott100]

Not what he means hes saying it must've been a crazy amount due to the way they jeopardized his career

[@ande5460]

​@@MarkelScott100no way it was a crazy amount, if anything. Hans would have certainly lost the case if it went to trial.

[@joseislanio8910]

​@@ande5460it if went to trial, they'd have to prove he actually cheated, which would be near impossible

[@kourii]

@@ande5460 that's a strong statement

[@SweetAHE]

THIS

[@jakesstatefarm]

Wouldn't be surprised at all if he got nothing but that public statement and being reinstated. It's incredibly difficult to win a defamation suit even when there is clear damages.

[@ande5460]

100% agree. This is really the best he could have hoped for.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

you need to have a career in the first place to sue for damages. this is a kid who was already banned from playing online for cheating. he would probably get negative money from a lawsuit.

[@charlesreid9337]

@@TheSuperappelflap do you flat out make shit up irl too or is it just on the internet. Nieman is in the top 100 chess players on the planet

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@charlesreid9337 and he also is a proven cheater. its not hard to get top 100 in a game by blatantly cheating online

[@SleepyStreak]

​@@TheSuperappelflapHes a popular chess player who was at most big events. He has since not been invited to any. Literally destroyed his career

[@ilia2178]

Now he can actually start using a buttplug without anyone questioning him. 5D chess move!

[@PairOfSocksGaming]

i wouldve been shocked if they found something, this is exactly how it shouldve ended

[@vinsanity982]

A lot of chess players online cheat when they think their opponent is cheating. I saw a game on KZbin where a Master was doing a rating climb (all points get refunded to the opponent) and he got paired up with with a 1600 rated opponent with his rating being much lower than. Naturally, the 1600 rated player thought he was getting cheated when he saw how strong the play was. I mean, after all, the true rating of the master is 2300. So he started using a chess engine. The master then picked up that the guy started cheating and reported him and the 1600 was banned

[@skyxr2406]

Charlie never fails to keep my family hostage

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@oliviawulff]

WHAT

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

[@Zelurpio]

only one other reply isnt a bot comment

[@sillyboy12.]

guys i think im gay

[@shubashuba9209]

Either Hans Niemann used mission impossible level technology to cheat or Magnus Carlson and the entire chess community conspired to defame an innocent man. Both movie worthy.

[@exal1504]

There’s a chance that there was a mole in Magnus’ circle, the main point of speculation was Hans miraculously studied Magnus’ opening line (which Magnus had never opened with prior to the match) the morning of, as he stated in a post game interview. Perhaps Magnus did that to try and prove/flush out the collaboration

[@princessaria]

Those are not the only two options lol. It is equally possible that Magnus simply believed he cheated because of the circumstances (specifically him apparently preparing for an opening Magnus has never used in competition and having suspicions of a mole), and that everyone else looked at it and went “yeah, that’s valid.” Then it came out that Hans did cheat in online games, which added even more justification to those doubts of a legitimate win. I don’t think any of the parties actually involved in this situation thought he used cutting edge tech, they thought he simply knew the opening in advance, which makes it a lot easier to prepare for.

[@wakannnai1]

​@@princessariaCheating online and cheating in a real game are two different things. It does not indicate real life behavior by any means. Many people would be comfortable cheating in an online video games with no real stakes (other than a ban) but would not do so in real life. There was no indication or evidence that Hans Niemann ever cheated in a real life tournament. This was always used as "evidence" to muddy the waters in order to support dubious claims of irl cheating by Magnus Carlsen. There was never any evidence of cheating as well. Magnus Carlsen should never had made unsubstantiated claims like this publicly and should have been bought up in private to the Tournament Organizers. Nothing claimed here by you is any indication of cheating. Hans Niemann getting lucky in his preparation is just that. Him getting lucky. The chess community did him dirty to suck up to Magnus. It's pretty disgusting if you think about it.

[@lemonglataitor2123]

​@@wakannnai1simp 1000

[@saybrowt]

The thing is Niemann isn't "an innocent man". Niemann has cheated in the past and admitted to this. What he's admitted to is that it happened twice. All Carlsen *said* (don't get me wrong he implied a hell of a lot more) is that he thinks Niemann cheated more often and frequently than what Niemann has admitted to.

[@FreezyPope]

The way i see it, if you look at magnus carlson’s career, since he was a kid, he’s always had an ego. Like playing a grand champ and walking away mid match to watch other peoples games, or purposely showing up to matches late and only having like 30 seconds left to play. It’s very easy to lose and assume the person you’re facing is cheating, And this case is no different.

[@josefvalenta4341]

I'm honestly still convinced that he didn't play fair, but I'll also admit it's solely because he's acting like every single cheater i met ingame, not that I have anything to to actually latch onto

[@MilesTFBaxxter]

It also doesn't help that Hans seems like a deliberate Shkreli-Musk type bad-boy stinker. With how he acts it's hard to feel much sympathy, and easy to believe he'd deliberately cheat.

[@francoGomez111]

Except he actually cheated before

[@Alleeto]

Funny thing is that after that, professional chess players are going to be checked for instance of plug before each tournament.

[@goobalore]

truly the generator of slop content as per usual keep up the good work

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@biggyblunts5788]

Pyro fan detected

[@PhoenixAttact]

Keep that shit over there.

[@KWBR1123]

Yum yum slop

[@Unused328]

It’s been so long, but it’s finally over.

[@MustangPrudence]

Also probably wouldn't have gotten to this point had Magnus not reacted in the manner he had.

[@dunno23]

Moist you are wrong on one part. Only top 15-25 players (who are usually 2720+) get invited for closed tournaments. Hans rating is 2667, he was never part of top 20-25 players. In the tournament with the cheating scandal, Niemann was invited as last minute replacement for a player who couldn’t make the tournament.

[@swe872]

Dont expect people outside of the community to understand a thing, why do you think this comment section is full of missinformation whose only interaction in chess is hikaru smashing 1500 elo rated players on blits, they never even mentioned the actual theorized cheating that was he payed a magnus team member to get his prep, and botted against it with, which isnt that weird and has probably happened a lot under scene

[@XrayTheMyth23]

@@swe872I think this is more likely than the dildo thing although not as spicy

[@themug406]

@@swe872 Calm down, its chess, not everyone cares like its actually important

[@that_dude7268]

I'm just imagining he did actually use a buttplug to cheat and he's just sitting in his room thinking "bro how did they figure it out"

[@catminecraftyas]

its a little egotistical to kind of assume that the person that beat you cheated

[@BooTeaCheeks]

Just my opinion, I think Magnus was having a bit of a struggle the past year. There was more drama with him last year then just Hans, even to the point he had stopped playing chess in general for a few month's, allowing himself to be dethroned from the top spot (just temporarily). Hans has always been open and regretful about his online cheating. The two incidents when he was found to be cheating were when he was young. Like just finding hair in new places young. He's an adult now. He should be held accountable for what he did, but not chastised for where he's going. When you play chess at Magnus and Niemann's level, it truly can come down to luck or one wrong move. They are both 8 moves ahead and practiced different strategies for each game. Hans said he had just so happened to practice defending against the plays Magnus was making. If any cheating was involved, it was someone from Magnus team selling information, but truly I think it was just luck. The look on Niemann's face when he won was absolute shock.

[@ZeroXSEED]

Well deserved

[@LTV746]

The shock was the number of vibrations needed for a8 to h8

[@seongjaeoh8742]

​@@ZeroXSEEDuhh what exactly is well deserved

[@EchoAwakens]

The reason why Hans saying that he had practised the moves that Magnus was using was because Magnus had only ever used them once before like 20 years ago. Hans said he was studying old Magus games, so the chance of him studying that specific game was abysmal, which just made him seem more suspicious

[@chairjacker]

​@@seongjaeoh8742Hans win against Magnus

[@jonesy9744]

Yea you can argue this never would've reached the point it did if Hans didnt cheat when he was younger. But you can also argue it never would've happened if Magnus never made baseless cheating accusations.

[@chrise8275]

Who knew that such a quiet game could have such massive drama!!!

[@rodrigomarcondes5857]

now i finally believe when Charlie says "internet time" goes way faster than real world time, i feel like this scandal happened 2 years ago

[@cartilagehead]

People initially balked at the $100 million in damages that Niemann was demanding, but it makes sense in the context of Carlsen's own net worth which is like over $50 million right now in his early 30s, and could probably double over the rest of his professional career just through investments and market returns, etc. The argument goes that since Niemann beat Carlsen in such a public and high profile match, he has a credible claim to having been denied a similar career trajectory. It will be interesting to see what happens to him now as a cleared professional player WRT his baggage but at the very least he'll make the game interesting for a while

[@LTV746]

They would have settled at least 10-20 mil

[@theandice8152]

No, it's just a case of demanding way more than you know you'd be entitled to in the hopes of claiming at least some small percentage of it.

[@STEV_94]

"What if's" like that don't go very far in court. Suing for damages generally needs to have something concrete-ish tied to it (lost wages, pain and suffering, medical expenses). The possibility of career trajectory that is impossible to predict is not damages.

[@reginaldcampos5762]

​@@theandice8152well, that's how you do legal battles. You go over the top and try to bring it down to a reasonable deal. Because you want to win without putting your fate in the hands of a judge who may or may not favor you.

[@ODMXypher]

Magnus Carlsen was already rank 1 in the world when he was 19 while Hans peaked at rank 31. They really aren't comparable as players.

[@_C_E_C_]

Now we have to wait untill Hans publishes his version of: "If I did it.." The OJ of chess

[@TheScience69]

He wasn't cheating. He was using the forbidden jutsu.

[@motivusthesage]

Waiting for the inevitable video where Charlie talks about EDP445 ruining his life yet again 😂😂

[@crowswatching]

cheers mate great watch made my dinner 100% better

[@breadwithbutter7614]

It sounds like Magnus was just mad the he lost, really took a hit to his ego I guess lol.

[@ashleyjohansson230]

The buttplug theory is literally impossible because the matches are timed and at the very end, they are literally making moves in split seconds. Theres no way a buttplug will vibrate a location like "D6" by vibrating the number of times where that location is in less than 1 second for the player to finally make the move.

[@lordchaa1598]

Don’t bring your silly science and reality into this situation. Let the tin foil hat wearers believe in the butt plugg theory. Though I find no other logical explanation to counter your theory.

[@customsongmaker]

They get plenty of time. But he's still a grandmaster, he doesn't need someone to tell him the exact move, since there are only a few good moves anyway. A little hint is plenty.

[@bunilove]

I love that you broke this down 😂

[@Paralax3033]

They get hours upon hours to play, sure as the game is close to ending they have to play quicker but you could easily get an unfair advantage in the beggining. I dont at all believe in the anal beads theory at all im just saying that it would have been possible

[@customsongmaker]

@@Paralax3033 it's the first few moves that only take seconds, because all chess openings have been "solved" so that there can be no unexpected moves. There are certain moves that are correct, and that is settled. They have memorized every possible beginning of the game, and nothing will happen in the first ~20 moves that hasn't happened many times in many professional matches that they're all familiar with. These grandmasters play exactly like computers during the first stage of a game, repeating memorized moves without thinking. After 40 moves, there are so many billions of possibilities that humans can't memorize them all. That's where computers have the advantage, so that's why any vibrator hints from a computer would be an unfair advantage.

[@WRLDOfSad]

2:15 where can i buy? I ain't even played chess in years

[@alberteinstein1015]

I don't think this is over, but I'm glad we can see a really thick silver lining to this grey cloud.

[@IIIBODYIT]

Bravo

[@vortex_talon]

I started playing chess solely because of the memes surrounding this event almost a year ago, It was a canon event.

[@ishirutaekakura308]

the butt plug theory was basically just overly sex driven people are and the obession with everything involving anything sexual is constantly used. We've come far as a species clearly.

[@john38825]

He must have shared his technology with Magnus and hikaru so now everyone is pleased 😉

[@MyNam3IsR0]

I love your content, keep it up!

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@Daveaintreal]

Good God, you got gangbanged by bots here.

[@ashleycd6487]

​@CrewmateComplexClani hate your content, keep it down

[@Hans140]

“If I let you use the plug, will you settle?”

[@seapigoinkoink]

Thank you as always Charlie, for giving me the 6 o'clock news update on the things I truly care about. When this story broke i got hard into chess for like a week. Ahh the internet. Such a delightful hive. Thank you for providing closure on things i forgot about Xo casual human ❤

[@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk]

Charlie never fails to fill us up and pump good content into us

[@ChrisShafferOfficial]

I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..

[@professorpengu502]

Oooooh my

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

[@Possiblyclinicallyinsane17]

@CrewmateComplexClanman shut up Charlie is way cooler than you

[@Vaultboythefightingmachine]

That penguinz0 guy is a chomo punk

[@Shinbu1128]

Jokes aside, yeah, this from the beginning felt like Magnus being a sore loser and finding a convenient excuse.

[@Latvians]

So.... he just threatened them with a 100 Million Lawsuit to drop the evidence on him cheating, and make them tell the world that he wasnt cheating?... interesting, thats like killing a person and someone witnesses it, and then you sue that person for 100 Million to not spill the beans, and they dont spill to beans to drop the lawsuit..... they still wouldve seen a Murder, but the Murderer gets proven innocent because he sued the only witness.

[@343Films]

Sorry, how old are you? Do you really not see how your argument hinges entirely on the assumption that Hans did in fact cheat? That assumption is *precisely that,* a baseless assumption. You could make that same faulty line of argument in *literally any case of alleged defamation.*

[@343Films]

For instance if your ex accuses you of sexual assault and you sue her for defamation after you lose your job and reputation over it, I (or anyone else) could come out and say "wow, how fucked is that... that dude raped his ex and now he's suing her - "the only witness" - to punish her financially and dishonestly prove his innocence. I'd be operating entirely under the evidence-free assumption that you in fact were guilty, which wouldn't be fair to you whatsoever, now would it?

[@HellSpartanZ]

Magnus seems like a sore loser after all this

[@Akkarin412]

I’ve heard so much talk about how he cheated but never heard anyone share any evidence that he actually did cheat.

[@Smitty_Werbenjagermanjensen11]

Charlie always coming through with the world shattering information

[@chasemoore5256]

I don’t get how Magnus Carlsen doesn’t get any flack for what happened to Hans career, considering it seems like he just couldn’t accept losing, and had to make Hans out to be a cheater

[@Hyzayn]

Im shocked as well, no one seems to care, its insane

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

I'm convinced that had something to do with the settlement in some way. Magnus agrees to brush it under the rug and Hans gets paid out what he lost as a result. As long as Magnus isn't raising a stink anymore, Hans wins.

[@Dovahkiin914]

I think a big part is that Magnus has lost matches before. He’s not exactly undefeated, so it at the very least doesn’t seem likely that he’d just call someone he lost to a cheater out of pettiness.

[@porky5567]

yeah big true this -rep for me with magnus

[@ast9052]

Cause that mf is just too good at chess