Huge L Take

[@ashpelt1]

Idubbbz isn't apoligising for being a bigot and racist, hes apoligising for fostering and normalising that type of behaviour, which he absolutely did.

[@coldshock5181]

Miss those days

[@fightaccount]

What is been a bigot is If it's not supporting gay and Tras that totally okay

[@griggletv6974]

Ya million became neo nazis with ian at the four front leading the charge

[@itstillsage8666]

​@@fightaccount he at least was a bigot because of the constant use of slurs in every video

[@whynotdean8966]

He absolutely did not.

[@z1pz4p._]

I’ve never seen a large part of Charlies comment section/audience disagree with him before, this is a nice breath of fresh air.

[@datdude3327]

especially when Charlie is throwing out ‘greatest L of all time’, just to approach a highly nuanced situation with very little forethought. rare Critikal L

[@charnith5017]

Right, even in this video he still doesn’t realize why the comments were disagreeing with the points he made with the previous video before and I’m glad to see people expressing their thoughts in the comment section.

[@poppicat7351]

Right, he has some of the most intense dick riders

[@ferchsakura]

Disagreeing is fine, opinions aren’t right or wrong and I feel like people are missing that point. Charley is merely making a conversation, and like he said- it is okay to have people disagree on his opinions. People asking critikal to make an apology just because they didn’t agree with what he said are taking it to the extremes lol

[@distanctive4768]

@@ferchsakura honestly it’s kinda nice to disagree with him for once, because often times I’m agreeing with him lol I feel it makes him more… real? He’s not afraid to disagree with others and put his real opinion out there Yknow? Plus, I’m the type to like a civil discussion and debate ya?

[@cyanjackson7689]

I'm really glad to see the comments still not taking to agreeing charlies take just because its Charlie. I really hope he reads the comments because theres so many good points explaining the real issue. No one thought idubbbz was a bigot if they did he would have been cancelled years ago. We all knows he's apologizing for unintentionally fostering a hateful community

[@gtasaints]

And intentionally

[@treali]

I'm really glad to see that the leftist hive mind is still stronger than a single Twitch streamer.*

[@SavageGreywolf]

@@treali don't you have to go yell slurs at idubbbz?

[@noahpancakes6507]

Nahh y'all are the reason tho y'all need to make everything us vs them y'all can't laugh at anything that's a you problem I promise you edgy humor ain't make no one racist but y'all are weird and like racism so you make everything about it

[@treali]

​@@SavageGreywolf Nah, I will leave yelling racist slurs to idubbbz. Who knows? He might start again if he thinks it will make him popular again. Never liked his edgy humor, but Charlie is correct in this matter, intent matters. If intent doesn't matter, then some slurs are the least of our problem. If intent doesn't matter you're effectively taking part in child slave labor, genocide, death, and suffering.

[@mauricebottomley7623]

Just hold the L brother, you earned it.

[@StuffAndMemes]

Cope

[@YvenvH]

Wait till this guy finds out about opinions

[@yorickbrown5297]

@@YvenvH hopefully not yours, theyre probably shit

[@joshwakelin4587]

@@YvenvH ironic, considering his comment is his opinion on Charlie’s take, which is, in his opinion, an L

[@deletd7368]

Nah, he don't want it. You need it snowflake.

[@kam731]

Dying on this hill is crazy especially since his past racist content has not affected you whatsoever. As someone who was in school during the 2016 racism arc it was hard to exist as a black person. Words do hurt no matter what anyone says

[@Schinzo__]

As a black person you realize racism was a thing for 1000+ years before idubbz was born ☠️

[@kam731]

@@Schinzo__ yeah but he normalized and platformed this type of behavior for years and for a new audience of people, most people used to go out in the world with general respect for others, idubbz influenced people to go into the world with hate and animosity for people just because of skin color

[@Maconviking]

Idubbz literally called out influencers who were overtly racist and trying to hide it, like tana. I’m so confused by everyone’s takes here.

[@Schinzo__]

@@kam731 again no he didn’t 💀💀 he wasn’t the first white man nor the last to say the n word

[@novajjay]

​@KittyPurry just cause idubbz called out racists doesnt change the fact that that he himself could possibly be one too. plus, his way of "calling tana out" was saying the n word in her face.. he really showed her ! 😭

[@theodoesya8300]

i literally watched his content change my friends in middle school. i watched them start to look at me different. this is in no way the case for everyone but i know countless kids who were put on the path to radicalization via the normalization of slurs and bigotry as a 'joke'.

[@Techn9cian123]

You were radicalized to the left

[@1mclv]

your friends were raised poorly

[@theodoesya8300]

@@1mclv the ones that were referenced here, yes. mostly wealthy and spoiled and have never had any real brushed with prejudice other than that they cast on others.

[@hagoromootsutsuki6820]

@@1mclv a lot of people are raised poorly

[@abcdefzhij]

So, are you saying that idubbbz was actually racist, or something?

[@Buncklechuckster]

I am telling you, as someone who was in middle school during the time. Idubbz using slurs made ALL OF US think it was okay.

[@seen7163]

How about you take some responsibility for your own actions. If you can't disconnect shitty edgy humor on the internet from what's socially acceptable in the real world than that's on you.

[@dustbunni6518]

Nah really im a gen z kid and it leaked into our gen like some kind of bubonic plauge.

[@ramoraid]

lol my whole school threw the soft N at everyone and this was majority black & Hispanic school. Seeing him use the hard R was funny and absolutely nothing to get mad due to the context of the Tana video.

[@noahpancakes6507]

he was joking lol you really cant take a joke? yall just love making it them vs us or being a white knight stfu

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@ramoraiddon't you get it? You are racist no matter the context.... At least thats the mayority of reasoning behing most of the comment section.

[@tiny__pebble]

As someone who watched idubbz in middle school, his videos were 100% the reason i fell into the 'feminist owned, cringe compilation' 'facts don't care about your feelings' 'all lives matter' crap. The content young impressionable kids watch can have a major impact, and to undersell it does nobody any favors.

[@deenmohammad385]

“Ben Shapiro DESTROYS entitled leftist on abortion”

[@Skrunk.]

Just because you like incel content doesn't mean we all do bro.

[@tiny__pebble]

@@Skrunk. is that at all what i said?

[@SirBoomNPew]

That's more the fault of the parents than it is Ian's. Ian wasn't making child-friendly or child-targeted content. The fact that kids watched and mimicked the content he made isn't his responsibility.

[@tiny__pebble]

@SirBoomNPew what parent is going to be actively monitoring their 16 year olds youtube? Kids notoriously get into material that they probably shouldnt, earlier than they should. Ians content was one of those things, and it had a large enough negative effect on enough kids for this to be a pretty well known problem all over the place.

[@ohmybillnye]

8:20 he was literally being approached by strangers saying/yelling slurs at him like they were buddies with him and it was a totally normal thing. He's seen the influence he's had first-hand.

[@LukeRojas]

So he met a few incels and lumps in all of his fans with those people and abandons pretty much everything he ever said or believed in?

[@tychopanda]

​@@LukeRojas 1. Most fans will shout "OMG [insert well known name]!! HII!!" or some popular quote they're known for saying. When you walk down the street and your fans shout slurs at you, it's a wakeup call to what you're known for and how you're influencing your fans. No one wants to be remembered as the guy who told tana mongoose to say the n-word. 2. What beliefs are so important that they overweigh the decision to not use slurs online?

[@LukeRojas]

@@tychopanda I'm fine with him not saying slurs, but now he's a completely different person who has no sense of humor at all and is obviously only changing his persona because of the political climate on KZbin right now. Also using the n-word to Tana was wrong but the general point that he was making had merit to it and the reason why he made content cops usually had valid reasons. I just think he could have stopped using slurs without having to change his style of content and overall personality completely. Also he was on Hassan's podcast. Ugh...

[@drooooop]

@@LukeRojas how do you know that? Because he doesn’t think exactly like you that means he’s just doing it for views? People are allowed to change their views.

[@LukeRojas]

@@drooooop I didn't say that he wasn't allowed to change but given the fact that a lot of these formerly edgy comedians/creators have all suddenly become woke and 'reformed' in order just to protect their image and channel, it's hard to think that Idubbbz is being 100% genuine. Also I think it's hard to believe that someone can change their mind so drastically on pretty much everything that he used to be against.

[@sarahespin5798]

This is just a weird take. Of course he wasn’t the only person contributing, but he was one of the more popular ones. I think because you wouldn’t have been a target you maybe underestimate the impact it had. Also, this seems like something he did for his own peace of mind, not because there was a huge outcry for it. I rarely see people mention idubbbz at this point, this apology wasn’t expected. If the guy feels bad for who he used to be I think it’s a good thing that he addresses it and takes accountability. Will probably make him feel better.

[@willisstillhere8846]

I mean if he did it for his own peace of mind and for no one else then that's completely fine why would he post it on a public forum then? He didnt make it private either so it either seems disingenuous to some, or just shows how much some people are "chronically online" that they make everything they're going through public. Also, just as there are people who didn't go through it and thus their opinions might be not as much of value, there are people that went through it and werent affected as much. Does that invalidate them too? Why does it? Do you or any other person feel like ypu have more leverage to speak over others? Just some random questions it's not really targeted

[@Squ_iddy]

@@willisstillhere8846 There are some things in life that are just objectively wrong for societal standards. Example, I'm sure a majority of people would agree bullying is wrong because they've experienced it and it has negatively impacted their lives. And maybe there's a minority of people who said it didn't affect their lives, cool their feelings are valid. But why would I listen to the people who aren't affected on the subject of if bullying is bad in comparison to those who have been affected? Is bullying suddenly justified and not bad because some people weren't hurt by it? No, because society deems bullying as wrong already, so those who have experienced it and weren't hurt by it are the outliers, and that's a good thing if they're truly fine after that, but that's not the standard.

[@jayo.9049]

He literally explained that in the video💀

[@Jitzau]

L take.

[@theonionqueen3519]

I just think Charlie doesn’t realize the influence idubbbz had on kids during the height of his channel. I was his demographic during that time, 13-15, and a lot of his videos really warped my sense of humor. He normalized saying the n word for me, which I’m thankful I realized later that it wasn’t ok to say.

[@DefNotMyBurner]

I really like that Charlie’s fanbase don’t have a hive mind and genuinely disagrees with Charlie when he’s wrong. It keeps him humble and doesn’t push a wrong narrative that most other major fanbases do

[@52BLUE]

Don’t have hive mind? I can’t find anybody else who agrees with him. Sounds like hive mind to me. How people think the actions of others are something you can blame on somebody else is straight up baffling.

[@DefNotMyBurner]

@@52BLUE Clearly I mean hive mind in the sense of ppl blindly agreeing with their fav content creator. How often do you see viewers disagreeing with the content creator on their own video

[@gabrielleeeSK]

​​@@52BLUE you know you can form your own opinion and not parasocially agree with everything your favorite creator says?

[@52BLUE]

@@gabrielleeeSK I formed this opinion on this situation long before I even listened to his take on it. Blaming idubbbz for what his followers do isn’t far off from parents trying to cancel video games because they’re influencing kids to be violent. Ridiculous.

[@saramwaqas]

@@52BLUE for real this whole comment section is a hive mind every comment is something along the lines of “As someone who was in school at the peak of idubbz career he taught me to swear and hurt my feelings, etc.”

[@isyrk]

This has mad "I'm sorry you got offended" energy

[@Altair-El-Haddad]

As it should be

[@acommenter3939]

As it should. Stop being offended.

[@jordanbarrand1736]

Don’t be weak minded lmao you got offended over him talking about an apology? Pick a struggle

[@isyrk]

@@jordanbarrand1736 Imagine being so weak minded you think being offended is the problem and not racism.

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

@@isyrkI think Charlie just has a different perspective or interpretation of what idubbz was apologizing for. Charlie obviously doesn’t get it. That doesn’t make him deserving of any accusations of racism. Not that you are accusing him of such things.

[@FrESHBOn]

i feel like charlie REALLY underestimated how popular idubbbz was then. bro was literally in every vine compilation ever

[@4moly]

charlie also wasn’t in school when idubbz peaked. his videos caused so much casual racism and bullying, i mean shit, his ricegum disstrack was pretty much all that came out of the edgy kids’ mouths. i’m not american yet idubbz was still huge.

[@xwhiteninjazz3203]

Idubbbz being very popular during that time is pretty irrelevant to charlies point

[@xwhiteninjazz3203]

@@autumnfrost-art seems like your using idubbz as a scapegoat for peoples shitty behaviour. Unless you were taking his content out of context it really shouldnt have been influential for anyone with half a brain

[@graydonrobson7471]

@@4moly mother love me long time long time

[@wontonschannel]

@@4moly you are under the assumption that those kids were intending to be racist and hateful, rather than trying to be humorous in a very very normal way (shock content)

[@CoolLookinPea]

After that first sentence I can’t help but feel like I’ve just stepped into an unskippable main quest cutscene

[@kawasaki_voyagur1700]

Fr

[@rios5944]

Fun fact: It’s illegal to own a skunk in Texas

[@ThisGuyDannyyy]

I thought your profile picture was a green apple

[@chokonnit7337]

pov: youre getting robbed in rdr2

[@diavolosteddy7594]

@@ThisGuyDannyyy is it not?

[@hybrxd5199]

Charlie 100% is highly underestimating Ian’s influence. If Leafy single-handedly changed the way KZbin structured it’s rules and regulations, idubbz understanding his audience and still saying the things he said and did, thus influencing the wrong folks isn’t farfetched.

[@feefeedee9865]

Ian is a simp turned narcissist. If anything, he was catering to a demand. Like someone who was a total square or found it wrong wasn’t changed by idubbbz. At most he maybe introduced people predisposed to being edgy some edgy humor, but I mean there was plenty of places on the internet already being edgy and a lot of comments were edgy

[@lilm5714]

​@feefeedee9865 Ian growing and learning is human nature. Not "simping". He's not making content for you, bud. Move on

[@feefeedee9865]

@@lilm5714 But, he literally married someone he met off only fans and even took her last name after getting married. What do you call that besides simping? There’s nothing wrong with being a simp, I’m not a simp hater. But he is a simp who turned into a narcissist, perhaps as a coping mechanism to shield himself from all the insults, but I’m not a psychologist

[@endytu1788]

​@@feefeedee9865 read 2 comments from you and I can already tell you're gonna die alone

[@feefeedee9865]

@@endytu1788 hey come on, let’s be nice. We can be nice here. I mean you’re not *wrong*, but you didn’t have to say it, I mean good lord

[@sirfart5184]

He just summarized everything he said in the first one

[@Adam-pv9vw]

Just to toss in my experience here, I was 13 when I started watching iDubbbz and he was definitely the reason I used slurs in my early teens. By the time I was 16 I thankfully wised up and stamped out that part of me, but a lot of people I was friends with then are still like that now. I'm in my 20s now and seeing iDubbbz apologise makes me believe that those people I was once friends with can move on from that behaviour.

[@plasmanip3998]

Bruh how do we get them to stop. I have some friends that still act like this and we’re in our 20’s. It’s embarrassing asf. Feels like if I don’t step in soon, in a few years they’re just gonna keep doubling down till they’re firmly far right weirdos

[@scorchykinz]

@@plasmanip3998 I think its okay to be edgy if your using it post-ironic context and only with you're friend group. Like I don't think anyone is serious and going to the "far right"

[@plasmanip3998]

@@scorchykinz so it’s not okay to yell the n word in public but it is okay when it’s just with your friends? Nah dude. Being an asshole in private instead of public is still being an asshole. Like I can definitely understand edgy humor in the context of a public space with only adults and everyone is aware that you’re not serious at all, but most often using prejudicial humor in public is just a subtle way to virtue signal your prejudice. There’s even been studies done on this.

[@scorchykinz]

@@plasmanip3998 willy nilly screaming the n word about is just being racist not edgy like there's gotta be context and actually be funny . Post-Ironic edgy humor is okay to have just if you're doing public standup add that context, and if you're private your friends already know you're not being serious

[@plasmanip3998]

@@scorchykinz I do think some people genuinely don’t know if others are serious and often these type of jokes reinforce their preconceived stereotypes and prejudices. But I think I agree it’s fine to do this type of humor as long as you’re sure everyone knows it doesn’t accurately represent the world. I just think most people aren’t careful enough around that area- people often unknowingly feed their biases.

[@jennstewart3003]

I really cannot believe Charlie missed the mark this far and STILL missed it now! Charlie...wtf man... It's not about if he was ACTUALLY racist, it's about how hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of teen boys turned around terrorized people with edgy bullshit. It was NOT okay just because it was a trend in 2016. It was not okay thenz it's not okay now. It needed to be called out then and be called out now.

[@suelancaster6959]

Get over it. He wasn't out there burning crosses in yards he was making edgy jokes. How in the fuck do you people function online and in the real world with such thin ass skin?

[@linkous101]

How is some loser teenage boy saying the n word actually hurting anyone? Grow some thicker skin

[@mesaplayer9636]

So you would rather those boys just use conventional bullying rather than 2016 edgy bullying? Those people that used edgy bullying from 2016 were gonna bully everyone no matter what with whatever they could find.

[@memecrusader_2123]

Bruh. Litterally I grew up on his content and I never went terriozing people. I thought as a middle schooler it was funny but it wasn't something you should just be saying. Maybe I'm an anomaly but I feel like I should've been obvious you shouldn't just say that. Besides parents should monitor what their kids watch anyway if that's an issue. It's like blaming video games for mass shootings it's just stupid. You have to already have that factor of racism or hate before you pursue. I had that which from what I'm hearing is rare.

[@goopbuni]

@@memecrusader_2123 your singular experience can’t be applied to millions of viewers. many people used idubzz content to rationalize and normalize racism and bigotry. it also led to people who DID agree with idbuzz take and we’re a part of the victimized groups to have some type of internalized self hate, wether that be internalized racism, homophobia, etc. you can see in the comments people explaining both of these things happening to them

[@liono7667]

Charlie: “Everyone should be an individual” Also Charlie: Has 3 clones that he only lets out once a year

[@jsy-tak]

Oh he has more than three.

[@FoxKing5]

trueeeeee

[@Yagizino]

also charlie : supports ai

[@BamfIamone]

I hope they're being fed :(

[@zeraora2607]

Everyone should be THEIR OWN individual.' He didn't say: An individual. Semantics matter in this case.

[@user-fi2fe6ck8m]

"i just dont see why its a big deal" says man who was not affected by any part of the situation. the fact that he felt the need to make the first video is really telling, and doubling down after being rightfully criticized really says something.

[@Duuuuuuuuuuuude]

You absolutely don’t know that and it’s laughable you insinuate that. Any person alive could’ve been affected by Ian’s content. Being called the f-word back then you could attribute that to them hearing it in one of his videos and then saying it to someone else. At any rate, in the space that Ian is in of course he needs to distance himself from his past self because he needs sponsors and the like for what he is producing right now. Do I think that’s the only reason for it? No. I think he’s trying to get rid of the fans he’s stated multiple times not enjoying interacting with while also making amends with anyone he may have turned away. You immediately foamed at the mouth at the first sign of someone being a bigot and didn’t bother to think for a minute about everything as a whole there bud

[@user-fi2fe6ck8m]

@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude what the fuck are you talking about lol

[@Daddix0]

@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude mean it’s indisputable that black people and gay people were far far more likely to be affected by an influential guy who was “ironically” racist or homophobic. I saw it with my own eyes, a lot, it was pretty tough for some of my black and gay buddies during the time where IDubbz was super influential. Charlie definitely doesn’t understand like somebody who got the N word thrown at them everyday does. It’s just true. And I ain’t foaming at the mouth or anything, but I have respect for the people in my life who were targeted directly because of IDubbz’s influence over shitty people. I just love my people, man.

[@leshacke1041]

​@@Daddix0 well I don't think you understand my experience of being called mayo in Detroit all day at school it really hurt.

[@ginostrother4401]

He literally acknowledges that in the video that he didn’t consider the whole picture when it comes to that. Sounds like he put too much faith in people to not adopt and spread the culture

[@clintleclerc9296]

I was a teenager during the Onision era. He was popular and I enjoyed his content so I acted more 'random"/used his quotes irl/even made my own Onion-esque videos. Kids mimic what they like.

[@basedbrit4206]

So video games make kids violent??

[@basedbrit4206]

You people are all insane

[@Osama_Bin_Ladder]

Onision is leaps and bounds more dangerous than idubbz ever was/could be lol. Please tell me you didn't type this with a straight face.

[@Kraken0000]

@@Osama_Bin_Ladder you missed the point entirely there eh

[@silvertriforce2574]

*Slow* kids mimic what they like.

[@kylesprague6391]

I was 16 back in 2016, and the impact idubbbz had on me and some of my friends was definitely not any message he was trying to say. I think at younger ages things "context" and "nuance" aren't usually understood, so the message we took to heart was just that spamming slurs = funny.

[@RBLXDignitysHQ]

it is funny

[@AndrewT34pot]

Man the amount of time it took me to find this type of comment is like trying to find good food in a dumpster fire. good job for having a brain in 2023!

[@trashjunglr786]

@@RBLXDignitysHQ get a girlfriend and move out of your moms basement bro

[@RBLXDignitysHQ]

@@trashjunglr786 i have a wife and an apartment its funny

[@gozutheDJ]

@@RBLXDignitysHQwhy?

[@grichl88]

Props to Charlie for continuing to be willing to discuss the responses to his takes on stuff. With this, I think one thing Charlie might be missing is that you don't need to be super young to be impressionable.

[@33Ӡ]

i make 10x better content than penguinz0

[@skyetan86]

​@@33Ӡ did you reply to the right comment...?

[@reiangossling6395]

@@skyetan86 It's a bot, the Israeli flag paired with the use of "misgender" out of context makes it obvious.

[@αωεςσε-ω7ζ]

@@33Ӡ wrong comment dude

[@grichl88]

@@33Ӡ sure

[@LiqouredDuck]

This is still missing so much of the point.

[@lukastace3154]

cant own up 😭

[@franklinbadge1215]

Ironic that Charlie's audience is more sympathetic to IDubbbz than his own audience

[@seanquinn8032]

Because Charlie's audience isn't filled with a bunch of incels

[@glock19teen25]

@@seanquinn8032 right

[@GMarie.]

@@seanquinn8032 charlie adopted idubbz’ old audience. thats why they’re so quick to gloss over the impact idobbz had on normalizing racism and bigotry

[@mokaPCP]

@@GMarie. this comment proves you don't know what the fuck youre talking about 😂

[@alana.4432]

@@GMarie. Nope, what has happened is that charlie's got lots overlapping audience with people like Hasan, which is people that value outrage and optics over actual human value

[@axeba6333]

I think a major point Charlie is missing is that the apology video isn't just about Ian: it's also about the audience he cultivated and the groups of people that were victimized by them. I think there is far less people who believe he "created" this bigoted audience than Charlie thinks, but I also think that it's pretty common knowledge that you don't need to create something to help keep it alive, especially if they have such a massive platform. So of course he feels guilty about that, not just the immediate consequences of shouting slurs in every vid. As for the victims of said actions, they are the ones Ian is truly apologizing to, because I think he's a decent person now and they're the ones who were affected the most. Whether or not they forgive him, it's up to them, but he was a big (tho not the only) reason why it seemed normal for them to face daily bigotry (I would know because I was one of them). The apology wasn't just a way for Ian to move on with himself, but also a genuine try to give closure to the ones he was responsible for indirectly hurting.

[@admiralkaede]

so what

[@tylersargent3307]

@@admiralkaede stay mad stinky

[@admiralkaede]

@@tylersargent3307 are u 3?

[@tylersargent3307]

@@admiralkaede yes

[@tylersargent3307]

@@admiralkaede 7 actually hoebag

[@avillianchillinskrillian]

If someone feels bad for what they did, it doesn't matter how long ago it was, it's never too late to apologize.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

Exactly, I couldn’t have said it better. This is how I felt when watching the last video. It’s okay to apologize when it’s unprovoked?

[@33Ӡ]

i make 10x better content than penguinz0

[@Sad_Tomato]

@@33Ӡ you should apologize

[@brenturner1160]

​@@Sad_Tomato You just replied to a bot.

[@FemboyKaiSaku]

​@@brenturner1160you just replied to a stranger that you will never meet

[@gridman887]

bro, hes apologizing cuz he created a culture of hate 💀💀

[@s_sunshower]

@SciFyerGaming well obviously, everyone knows that--they're saying that he greatly influenced kids and teenagers becoming and acting more casually racist in the years he was actively creating content, whether that be online or in the real world. for comparison, andrew tate obviously didn't invent sexism and toxic masculinity, but to say he hasn't greatly influenced a subsection of (primarily) teenage boys and younger men due to his content would be a lie.

[@Liam-zo4jm]

he didn't create a culture of hate. racism and hatred existed well before 2016. it isn't even like he was the one who spread it on the internet, people have been racist on video games/the internet since it was first discovered.

[@Spidergworllover]

He created a community of racism. Don't dumb it down to simply "hate" as if that's all it is. His community/fans follow behind what they think he believes. Making racist jokes gives the vibes that you are a fellow racist, which attracts racists to follow you and join your community

[@chrisprilloisebola]

he never created that 'culture' in the first place. Thats the point of Charlie's initial video 💀💀

[@draquone]

@SciFyerGaming he did foster that culture within his own audience… you seem to be a product of that…

[@aliiiiuuuu8876]

As a black girl middle schooler during 2016 idubbbz was one of many reasons for a lot of bullying and normalization of racial slurs. They all watched him. Maybe this was past ur time Charlie.

[@mg9903]

Thought Charlie was mature enough to understand this :/

[@MozeXI]

I hope this isn't him falling off but I felt this day may come quite soon. He's been very unproblematic for a while now and I fear it'll all come out at once

[@xVoiiDxHD]

@@MozeXI what all coming out at once? 😂😂 you act like he’s got some horrible crimes under his belt

[@MozeXI]

@@xVoiiDxHD bro what are you on about? I mean a bunch of shit opinions. Yk... Like this one?

[@Obviousalter]

If people are gonna be racist/edgy, they are gonna do despite some idiot on the internet making videos. Sorry you grew up in a racist school. Maybe you should try to take words less personally, especially from people who are obviously so morally below standard.

[@TheVader2]

I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you here, I dunno if you're really one to say that certain groups weren't so impacted by Idubbz's content that an apology wasn't warranted. For years, the immediate and only response to people being called out for abject racism in the guise of jokes was a quote from one of his videos. He definitely influenced the culture he now hates.

[@KVoinre]

yeah, idk why charlie is deciding to die on this hill. There were people influenced by this content, and its good that idubbzz is apologising for it (better late than never)

[@AllTheArtsy]

Yeah it's such bizzare behavior. Why does he think he can judge what is racist or bigoted or hateful or cruel? Someone who calls racist language "cringe" really does not deserve to have such a loud opinion on this. Charlie literally could have just eaten his salad in peace.

[@Daan030]

Moist just thinks he was overdoing the apology way too much. Which is fine to say, iDubzz saying all content cops were too much etc.

[@fearlessslayer341]

I see so people didn't watch the whole video. Charlie just said that he didn't think it was bad to apologize, he's just saying that content shouldn't weight on him as much as it seems like it had.

[@obama9535]

It’s not Idubbz’s fault that his content was used in that way, perhaps he should’ve called out those who were actually hateful and using his content to justify said hate but I wouldn’t say the content itself is the issue.

[@Itsjettondon05]

As a 12 year old at the height of 2016 edgy humor I can say that edgy shit definitely did effect mainly middle schoolers and 9th and 10th graders I don’t think it was all Idubbbz fault but it definitely did make a difference that you can still see today in certain groups of high schoolers

[@Ahuerta22]

Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore. It’s somebody on lines fault people are bad

[@ivanquintana_]

@@Ahuerta22 it's almost as if people were never taught to have agency to make decisions that they themselves are solely responsible of

[@Ahuerta22]

@@ivanquintana_ I honestly don’t understand how so many people don’t get this

[@Jitzau]

Thats cause middle schoolers find it funny, Idubbbz didn't popularize the trend of spamming slurs, the kids were already doing it.

[@xinf3ctdx]

@@Ahuerta22 Probably because it’s never that black and white. You can always blame someone else, because it usually is someone else’s fault. Even if you don’t blame the people on the internet, you can blame their parents for allowing them to turn out that way. Or you can blame the parents of the kids who are picking up these bad habits for not doing their job and parenting their kids properly. I don’t understand how you people don’t get this. My little cousin used to be so bad. He’d constantly say a bunch of blatantly racist things, like calling Muslim people terrorists and stuff like that. He didn’t pick that up from the internet. He picked it up from his mom because she would always say that stuff around him and he started doing it too because he thought that it was okay. Nobody treated this 6 year old like he was a racist because we all knew that he didn’t actually believe what he was saying. He was just parroting things that he heard somewhere else, so we all blamed the person who gave him the ideas in the first place. It’s the exact same thing with Ian and his videos.

[@chaitea9522]

I genuinely cannot convey enough that he really did create a safe space for racist people. There’s no ignoring that and you ignoring the real issues that idubbs apologized for is rather immature.

[@pasha6753]

I don’t know, I thought it wasn’t racism. I didn’t delve into his content but I have met a few of his “og” fans and they don’t hit me as crazy racist.

[@chaitea9522]

@@pasha6753 …not your call to make. i have had ppl say slurs to my face and justify it over and over using his rhetoric. be quiet if you have not done research. what an unnecessary and rude comment you have made.

[@jcstides]

@@chaitea9522oh that’s so sad bro, who tf remotely cares

[@chachatje]

​@@jcstidesAnyone with a slither of empathy.

[@Just_another_menace]

Bruh

[@coolboyalex8]

As a black male I never thought HE was racist, but he normalized hate speech within his community whether it was intentional or not. I respect Charlie and respect his opinion on the matter, but unfortunately he lives in a reality that’s different from most minorities. He will never fully understand how these slurs impact people, and I don’t mean that in a hateful way. Being black I knew at an early age that my life wouldn’t be the same as most white peoples’ lives; thats just the current state we live in as a civilization (especially as an American). EDIT: Someone in the comments pointed out that Ian’s supporters would often say “its just words” in response to people criticizing his use of slurs and I distinctly remember that phrase appearing all the time in Ian’s comments section. The harsh truth is sometime its not just words, they can come from a rooted history of malice and oppression. These words represent the stereotypes that still continue in some ways to this day. They can represent generations of literal slavery, torture, and death not even exaggerating here. I’m not saying all nasty words should be banned or something, but people to need recognize these words come from somewhere. It was funny for Ian to spew them at the time because we knew they were taboo. So maybe we should ask ourselves WHY they became controversial phrases in the first place.

[@MikeOcksmallClips]

As another black male, starting a sentence with “a black male” is hella gay. I am gay.

[@Devoidprodigy]

Lol sucks to be you

[@_Xds_]

Hate speech is not real

[@hybrxd5199]

W fucking take. Said this in the last video aswell

[@benjamintruter7217]

shut up blackie

[@kixmix2450]

not only was I young when I encountered Idubbz's content, I wasnt american. I had no context for the slurs he was using so I took his words at what they were, without knowing the impact they had. His content, regardless of intent introduced to me the normalization of not taking racism seriously so long as it's "just words".

[@bryce9083]

It’s just jokes

[@PumaArg]

This! This happened to me with another YT too who actually said "it's just a word"

[@jayzandstra1830]

if you are not american you should definitely know that its just fucking words. for fucks sakes LMAO

[@techissus7449]

@@PumaArg hamon beat?

[@keldawott7406]

@@bryce9083 dude literally read a paragraph about someone experience about being desensitized to slurs, and how it affects people and said “it’s just a prank bro” go touch grass

[@ARDERUUD]

Watched all 3 vids and I'll admit your take was surprising. While the labels on you are complete lunacy, I think the main problem is that there was just no productive discussion to be found from analyzing his apology and trying to insinuate that he shouldn't have felt as bad as he did, his content shouldn't have had such a huge impact, it shouldn't be as big of a deal as folks are making it out to be, etc. I understand the sentiment, but there's a difference between what *should* be and what *is.* He DID feel bad. People WERE affected, as your own comments are increasingly finding the motivation to relay to you. Ian was huge back then and I don't think I need to remind anyone what was going on in 2016. It is what it is. You hit the nail on the head at 12:20. As many have said, Ian's apology was for those people. I don't think it applies to you- and hey, I'm glad it doesn't- but you're an analytical commentator, so to make an entire video about it just felt odd, especially with the only takeaway being a notion of "I don't think he's as guilty as he felt." I totally agree that the recipients of Content Cop were not angels and making fun of trash/dangerous content is fair. Way too much of the spotlight is sitting on the CC concept. I don't get that. I hope this makes sense. Reasonable viewers don't think you're the boogeyman, lol. I just feel a bit more perspective was required here.

[@4purs]

The thing is he makes videos about everything dumb shit or deep shit so it’s not rly a matter of “it didn’t deserve a whole video” as if Charlie has some sort of barometer on what deserves a video

[@zeemdotexe]

Very well said👌🏻

[@ARDERUUD]

@@4purs That's fair. Anyone can make a video about anything. I just think the ones about this situation missed the mark

[@charliem4560]

Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.

[@razzytack]

​@@charliem4560 No one said it wasnt? The overwhelming majority of people, and Ian himself, are criticizing the way his Content Cops were formatted and delivered. Everyone agrees that Ian made good points in his videos, but they were packaged in damaging ways

[@dedvi]

So what I wonder is what makes you qualified to comment on if the apology was necessary or not. As someone who was not affected or at least wasn’t affected as much by his content I don’t think you have any say in whether it’s needed or not. An analogy is if you had a bully in your grade who bullied short kids for example and you were one of the tall kids. It doesn’t matter if the bullying was done as a joke or not. And years later the bully sent out a mass email to everyone in the grade. You shouldn’t have any right to comment on whether this apology was necessary or not since you were not the one affected

[@realskydiver777]

idubbz said he invited other people opinions. also, come on, penguinz0 is kind of a drama channel

[@conandrew8749]

As a question, what qualifies anyone to have an opinion on something? Do you have to be personally affected by something in order to have an opinion on it? I can fully understand the viewpoint of being upset by the behaviour that iDubbbz encouraged and the damage this caused. But to say someone can’t have an opinion is a rather strange take, I must say.

[@dedvi]

@@conandrew8749 It's ok to have an opinion but I don't think a public figure should express it. For example, imagine if an american president talked about the difficulties and struggles of japanese people after the dropping of nuclear bombs. I think you can express an opinion as a public figure if you are: 1. directly affected by the situation at hand or 2. an expert on the topic who has done significant research. From what I can see MoistCritical is neither of those things. And of course if you want to express your opinions privately go for it. As long as you are not doing it to an audience of millions of people

[@randomgamer3868]

​@@dedviMoist Critical isn't a public figure 😭. Bros not even half as popular as some of the bigger KZbinrs.

[@dedvi]

@@randomgamer3868 he has almost 15 million subscribers. That’s more people than several european countries like belgium, sweden, czech republic e.t.c. Imo that qualifies him as a public figure

[@Cam19R]

The problem with his offensive content wasn’t that it was “lame and cringey”. The problem was the fact he was spreading hate in so many different ways. That’s the part you aren’t understanding.

[@GransPicker]

How was he spreading hate

[@dontask64tv15]

how is comedy "speading hate"?

[@antibrainiacs]

​@@dontask64tv15 by spitting slurs and also encouraging his audience to say them (he spent a whole video explaining why people should say the n word)

[@ii-kk3ke]

@@dontask64tv15it’s like ur purposely being dense

[@lamwam5065]

No he wasn't you absolute liar.

[@genuinejustin6269]

I once had the opportunity to meet Charlie. I said hey to him and when he turned around he roundhouse kicked me and walked off. Such a nice guy.

[@PeruvianPotato]

Damn all these bots

[@LucasAgazzi1]

@@p-__ Lies

[@TheAngelOfDeath000]

My toilet bowl is better than Charlie’s toilet bowl

[@shrek5911]

I can’t believe he did that to you. Truly unacceptable, unsubscribed.

[@awjd123]

My bath waters better than Charlie’s bath water 💦.

[@AquaAdventuresTTV]

16:40 This seems to be where most of us are taking issues with your take. There is absolutely a younger crowd that was heavily influenced by his content and was unable to see the satire or nuance. You were right when you said that Idubbbz didn't create edgy content, that he was just molded by it like Bane but he did turn into the posterboy for the genre on KZbin at the time. Edit for the brain dead replies: I'm saying charlie hit the nail on the head on my timestamp, not that he doesn't get it. That's why he said "I was probably wrong about this.". Also, none of this really matters. No one asked Idubbbz to apologize lol at least it was sincere even if not necessary.

[@chloec2187]

he needs to see this. usually i’m really on board with charlie’s takes but this is strange

[@adnan1208]

Wait but he agrees with you

[@-BL1NKY]

You are not 'we' you are an individual speaking for everyone else and that's pretty problematic fam

[@pushinpencils258]

If you let yourself be influenced by ppl on the internet you weren’t raised right and that’s not on the creator to apologize take it up with your parents or whoever you grew up around it’s not idubz fault therefore no apology warranted.

[@-BL1NKY]

@@pushinpencils258 this. The reason the tranny brigade is so animated over this is because it's their wet dream to be able to attribute 3rd party crimes onto people who did not commit them

[@Breadsticks4all]

Hes really harping on the hes not racist therefore he shouldnt apologize thing when hes making the community worse and he was like the #1 dark humor guy sure he didnt start it but he was the gateway to actual racism

[@lirich0]

He didn’t say idubbz should or shouldn’t apologize. He said idubbz shouldn’t feel extreme lifelong self hate about it. His wording was poor in the first (and arguably, second) video and definitely could be construed as such, I.e. the way he used the word “warrant”, but that was corrected

[@Breadsticks4all]

@@lirich0 nigga it's been a month why are you even watching this anymore rare charlie L take who cares i still like him.

[@ILEFTMYBF4XBL]

As a black highschooler during the years of 2012-2016 and loved idubbz but also got a lot of these "jokes" made directly to me with ill intent

[@fandyus4125]

Yeah right? But I also assume that these hormonal dumb teenagers who got "high" off of Idubbbz are grown ass people now and probably forgot Idubbbz even existed. Everyone is acting like Ian was the chief propagandist for the KKK. Like seriously, someone should go to /pol/ and ask how many of those guys are there because they watched an Idubbbz vid in 2016. I don't think there are any.

[@britneylovecraft2435]

Same

[@charliem4560]

And how is that Idubbbz fault in any way? How is he responsible for others actions?

[@charliem4560]

Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.

[@britneylovecraft2435]

@@charliem4560 yes, the common tactic to try to silence black voices as when they are literally just talking about shared experience. And who said he wasn’t worth being criticized??

[@mcnamaraky]

I thought it was quite bizarre that Charlie was essentially telling someone what they should, or shouldn't, apologize for. If you're not the offended, or offending, party, of course you think there would be no need to apologize. As neither party to this incident, it was weird that you would state that. I mean sure you can have that viewpoint that you don't THINK they NEED to apologize, but to state that you KNOW THEY DONT NEED to is...bizarre, because the only ones who know that are the offended and the offender.

[@Gravelady88]

Yeah he really missed the mark with both these videos

[@JD-jz5gu]

I can understand wanting to talk about why you don’t necessarily understand why someone made their apology, but I don’t think this video format really works for it. It would come off a lot more natural if he did it over a stream and interacted with chatters to get their takes on it

[@colorless6091]

@@Gravelady88he really did lol

[@Jitzau]

Grow up. There is no crime, there is no victim, he doesn't need to apologize because there is nothing to apologize for, he apologized because he doesn't like what he did regardless if there's anyone to apologize to.

[@mcnamaraky]

@@Jitzau I didn't say he needed to apologize either. I just said it was a weird statement. I didn't even leave a comment on his first video because all I said was "Ok, weird take," and moved on with my day. Tbh I don't think either of them needed to apologize. But it's weird to say someone shouldn't have apologized instead of just saying you don't think they need to when you're not one of those two parties. Like of course everyone makes commentary on shit like this. People shouted "Will Smith should apologize for slapping Chris Rock!" despite not personally being involved, this makes sense and is fine. But if someone had come out AFTER Smith apologized and said "Well, *he didn't really need to apologize because he didn't punch ME* in the face," that would be a weird take. At least to me it would be, but I guess maybe not to everyone.

[@Bailskywalker]

The apology wasn’t so much “I’m sorry for being a bigot” but more “I’m sorry my content made some people think it’s okay to be a bigot.” There were a ton of kids back in 2016 who felt comfortable using slurs and shit because of creators like idubbbz

[@Siaman668]

You can make the same argument for anything than. I have heard more fuck up shit in a mw2 lobby than anything idubbz said. Most kids can recognize racism is cringe and usually just stop. We all did it. At one point we heard a slur thought it was funny, than just kinda stopped either because a we just realized it wasn’t funny and moved on or b our parents actually explained it.

[@BillyMinnow]

Kinda sounds like you wish you were able to use slurs

[@Canyyon]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Siaman668 yeah, you can make that argument about a lot of things like that back then. But that doesn't make it any less bad? He was a contributor and apologized

[@Beyblade_worrior]

Nah he’s just virtue signalling

[@Precipiceofwind]

@@Siaman668 "we all did it", no man💀 not everyone is a terminally online racist westoid.

[@jae-ds2ot]

idubbz said "its all or nothing" on what slurs are okay to say. he argued that using slurs is good actually. he directly encouraged using slurs and using disabled people, gay peoplw, trans people and poc as punchlines. thats not just edgyness. the fan interaction anecdote should have told you all you need to know about what kind of message he was putting out there for A FAN to believe he wouldn't like them due to being trans.

[@snerttt]

He said restricting them gives them more power, you're never going to stop them from being used and chimping out every time you hear one makes them more desirable to use due to this strong reaction. So actually his intent was to bloat their use into irrelevance (and to not treat black people like children). But I guess that's not the narrative you wanted to hear.

[@jae-ds2ot]

@@snerttt "none of it should be okay or all of it should be okay" is a direct quote. what i said doesnt contradict what he said, because he still said to use them. why did you even make this comment you just assumed i made some narrative without said narrative being in my comment lol

[@jae-ds2ot]

@Mr. Plasma the reason certain slurs arent said is because those are the ones which the people called them have had no say in until very recently. there's no use for those words when their whole point has been for an oppressor to demean the oppressed. they are gross words, riddled with the worst of human cruelty. the n word was used for decades yet it never lost meaning. this goes for other slurs as well. things tend to be complex and nuanced, so the phrase all or nothing cant be applied. theres a reason cracker is technically a slur but is socially acceptable. because america doesnt have a history of racism against whites. whites are by the very least economically more in power which can be traced to red lining, over-policing and generational poverty due to slavery, jim crow and red lining. thats all to say that slurs seriousness varies with their inherent power dynamics. think about why you dont want to listen to minorities thoughts on this matter unless they agree with you, and also why you want to use slurs so damn bad.

[@oxaile4021]

@@jae-ds2ot This is honestly peak leftoid brainrot. Fighting against racism by justifying it. You can't make this shit up.

[@themaskedmutantreal]

⁠@@jae-ds2ot you are just making excuses to be racist if a word hurt a race of people don’t say it simple as that why would you want to say something that could make people sad because of what skin color they have systemic racism makes certain words worse to say it doesn’t make racism acceptable that’s the dumbest way to justify being racist to white people lmao

[@juanhoward4328]

Damn bruh he still don’t get it

[@isaac7344]

@@jessepatterson1909 lmao everyone mad at Charlie rn has never left their chair and gotten off twitter

[@jasminegreen1687]

@@isaac7344 What? Does that really matter, though? Do people voicing their CULTURED opinion, might I add, have anything to do with them always being on Twitter? Wrong is wrong. There are people that I straight up do not like yet I can still see and appreciate when they call out something that is wrong. I like Charlie, but his perspective in the view of racism is severely lacking. That's it. It flew over his has just like it's flying over yours. It's misguided.

[@charliem4560]

Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.

[@razzytack]

​@@isaac7344 funny, I feel like that's most of the people mad at idubbbz

[@user-it3hv7db3h]

@@charliem4560 oh yes, the logic of you can’t criticize something because someone some where has done worse

[@vannix565]

As a black girl who was in middle school/high school during that time with idubbbz i can definetly 100% say it negatively impacted my life for a while. I went to a mostly white school so I already had to deal with racism and slurs every now and then but it got so much worst and i lost so many friends, like it wasnt even funny. I cant say that idubbbz is an all around terrible person because I understand he has his own issues and has learned and grown but I 100% can say he made my life a lot more uncomfortable and sometimes even scary. I will say that if Idubbbz didnt ever become popular there probably wouldve been someone else to fill that space who also wouldve made shitty content like that, but idubbbz just so happened to be that d!ckhead at the time 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@anthony452]

Please explain how the online personality directly impacted you to the point of "scary". I'm interested in knowing.

[@purplewine7362]

@@anthony452 use your brain

[@eggegg6101]

I can’t even tell anymore

[@twitchdegenerate7897]

@@anthony452 be fr man

[@anthony452]

​@@purplewine7362 I did, and the thought of a shit person online making my personal life "scary" is pretty ridiculous. So I asked for more clarification. Thanks for that in depth response.

[@Schlgrl_]

I think many people that disliked your original video would also hold the opinion that iDubbz was not a horrible, racist monster during the time he made those videos. I think the issue is more that, he made an apology acknowledging how influential, and significant the role his content played in that KZbin era was, and that apology was healing for a lot of the people affected. Most of us understand that he was heavily influenced by his surroundings, but still believe that him taking responsibility for the part his content played with an apology was incredibly helpful and affirming. That’s why people are upset, because it felt like you’re video pushed back against the affirmation that those marginalised people have been waiting for. In my opinion, this video still fails to acknowledge that.

[@insensitive919]

Honestly, I rarely see people like you move on from being bitter about jokes that you didn't find funny. Like maybe 1 in a thousand, if that. "Healing" my ass, it seems more like a public struggle session. And I say this as a guy who tentatively supports idubbbz pushing back against the toxic losers that supposedly were fans of his. This all seems like a tug-of-war between two groups who both get off making examples of people.

[@naomi-ur2wb]

THIS!!!

[@imfurrytrash6769]

Google the term "strawman argument"

[@adminbob_]

@@imfurrytrash6769 why

[@imfurrytrash6769]

@@adminbob_ because he conceded on that argument. And him wanting to change content is not the reason people think the apology is dumb. So this entire comment thread has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Just a diversion

[@jmanius1]

Its crazy how when you are a commentary channel, your words and how you say them matter. This hurts to say as a major Critikal fan (still a fan btw), but this whole scenario was a massively moist L for the channel.

[@happer9813]

I'd recommend clearing your mind and rewatch his videos on it, and be open to what he's saying

[@charliem4560]

How is saying that Idubbbz shouldn’t apologize for other people’s actions an L take? Idubbbz denounced hate and racism. He never encouraged it. He never condoned it. He was living like everyone else in a time before people were extremely sensitive to vocabulary.

[@Iyana]

Agreed. I was a fan of Content Cop as a teen and I remember when the video on Tana came out…then suddenly tons of kids thought it was okay to say the N word. I was called it multiple times by people I knew who thought it was okay or just edgy humor because of this. Seeing all of the comments of other people who were negatively impacted is also very telling. I’ve been a fan of Charlie since way before his face reveal when he just played dumb internet games…So to see Charlie say the apology (not even targeted at him) was not needed and no big deal is really dissapointing.

[@TheNINDLE]

Yeah you’ll forget about it in a month pal

[@jmanius1]

@@TheNINDLE hehehe, I never forget lmao 🤣. Maybe try saying it again in another 2 months

[@broskydoodle6697]

I won't lie, I remember when Idubbbz was really popular, some my friends genuinely used him and his videos to justify saying the N word, and would literally quote him and his slurs to me, a black guy. I tried to brush it off, but in hindsight, he did have a genuine effect on the way people viewed such behavior, and I think it's great he's apologizing for it. He was a lot of the reason why that type of "humor" was so prominent. He wasn't merely a product of his time, which I think is the major misunderstanding here. Also, not to pull the race card, but a white guy, especially an adult, would definitely have an easier time seeing it as "just edgy humor".

[@emiami458]

I always thought he was extremely cringe and still think he is, I would like to see him apologize for that nasty and disgusting video he made of eating vomit, hair and toenails, he's a disgusting degenerate p.o. s

[@Keen.]

this is real asf 💯

[@666Kaca]

You literally pulled the race card

[@Keen.]

@@666Kaca it was to put moists argument into perspective. Moist doesn’t experience the consequences of idubbbz influence.

[@azzombie]

@@666Kaca he literally didnt

[@baileysidney1786]

he may not have made edgy internet culture but he amplified it. I wanted to be like idubbbz as a young teen and I would say slurs all the time and so did my friends who also watched idubbbz.

[@bekaz13]

yeah idk what makes this different from shane dawson's blackface. neither of them were ideologically racist, but their actions were racist and made their audiences think it was cool to do those things. they hurt people, directly or indirectly, and as charlie isn't part of the hurt group, he doesn't get to decide if the apology is warranted or not.

[@joshstubs2927]

Sounds like you were an illiterate teen. Still are now. You only give that word power just because. That's what illiterate people do.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

@@feefeedee9865 yeah. its kinda funny that people are ready to make a fuss about words on the internet but then they themselves proceed to insult others on reddit and twitter for calling their obesity out

[@dextrosxe]

@@feefeedee9865 you're the exact type of person idubbbz is ashamed to have been associated with lol

[@feefeedee9865]

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it yeah, it’s hypocritical really. The people who are the most sensitive are usually the least kind and attack anyone who they think is doing something ‘wrong’ or they don’t like. A nice person saying a slur as a joke is literally less toxic than them

[@dipperpines209]

No he didnt create edgy internet culture but he re-inpsired a new era of it and this resulted in many many many people including myself being harassed, scarred and harmed because of the bigoted jokes and slur catchphrases and cruel content. The apology was warranted.

[@sir7544]

The jokes were funny

[@Calax93]

​@@sir7544 no they weren't

[@itwasriggedfromthestart9520]

@@Calax93 Humor is subjective, this is such a retarted thing to argue abou lol

[@sparkles7111]

​@@sir7544 they were funny to you because you weren't affected/directly insulted by them 😭

[@sir7544]

@@sparkles7111 Then dont fucking watch the videos if you feel insulted. He can make what he wants, its up to the audience to decide whether they are going to act retarded and go out into the world and shout slurs.

[@aster8595]

I first found Ian’s content when I was 10 years old. My friends and I would binge watch his videos and found ourselves saying slurs very comfortably. Watching his videos radicalized me and turned me into an awful person. I was very racist and edgy and thought gore was funny. I terrorized several people I used to be friends with and found justification in it from Ian’s content. Thankfully after I turned 15 I started to realize the harm I caused and changed, but I think you missed the point of how detrimental his content was to those of us who were much younger in 2016; especially those who were victims of Ian’s content.

[@mpsins]

Dude it sounds like you were turning into a 4channer without 4chan I think you would've crossed someone like leafy at that age and started adopting his mannerisms and shit as well if idubbz wasn't first

[@billythe503kid4]

"Victims of Ian's content" bruh, that is definitely on you as a kid. Sure you were influenced by Ian to say slurs. But the attacks and taking it to the next level was definitely on you not Ian.

[@butter3617]

His content wasn't made to be watched by 10 year olds. That's your parents' fault.

[@blodcloth]

@@mpsinshe’s kinda right tho kids get influenced easily but your right the dood is taking such a lil thing and making it a big deal reddit style

[@mirotiny]

⁠​⁠@@billythe503kid4 “that’s definitely on you as a kid” is a WILD ass sentence my guy, do you realize what you just wrote? they were heavily influenced by ian’s content, i understand where you’re coming from but we need to acknowledge the fact that he DID have some sort of influence on a fuck ton of KIDS even if his content wasn’t made for kids, let’s not act as if he had NO responsibility at all now come on

[@MooMilkMilk]

I don't think Charlie fully understands the impact it had on a lot of people. I'm both black and gay, and around that time I was younger and a lot less secure in my identity. With the content idubbbz made, the normalizing of slurs and making fun of gay people it was just very hard to stay positive. And it wasn't just him. Because his content was so popular, other creators started copying it and it became cool to say slurs. Then it started leaking into real life. Hearing kids and teens say these slurs wasn't uncommon at all. And then with pewdiepie dropping the n-word hard r and all, or saying 'nibba' and people claiming 'it's not a big deal', it was like our opinions and feelings didn't matter. We were just being talked over. I steered clear from so many youtube channels because it was becoming bad for my mental health, seeing the type of audience they fostered. So I'm glad he became more mature and saw the error in his ways. It was a heartfelt apology that I actually accept.

[@semideadnat]

This I agree on 100% percent. I feel like a lot people who don't see how bad of an impact idubbbz made with the people of color and how it created a ripple effect on KZbin. While I am in no way a black person, I still see how bad of impact was created. I was still in middle school and faced with bigoted comments back in 2016 by my fellow classmates. I still faced the bigoted and homophobic comments throughout middle school because some of the kids around said nothing but bigoted stuffed along with the many slurs. It really doesn't pair up well with the stuff that is going on in the news in recent news here in the US.

[@jed1austinchannel772]

Dude you need to forget about crap that happened over a decade ago it doesn’t matter. There’s no need to dwell on something that happened so long ago

[@semideadnat]

@@jed1austinchannel772 I can't tell if this is satire or not, I hope it is.

[@bean6803]

@@jed1austinchannel772 - OP literally said that it negatively impacted their mental health. It may have not been important to you because it didn’t affect you, but that doesn’t mean it was just as unimportant to everyone else. Also, with the way you’re talking about it, you’d think that it was decades old. 6 years isn’t that long ago, and it’s reasonable that some of the people who felt hurt by that content is still around.

[@Nilufar_Nasha_Luvs_Catzz]

@@jed1austinchannel772 Found the cis white man

[@BandenTCY]

2:32 Off topic but they are just adorable in the background

[@Juanpopspacks]

As he is talking about someone watching him over his shoulder making videos lol

[@LoopDogg]

I love that you chose to use incorrect grammar instead of just saying “the dog” to avoid accident dog misgendering. Fuckin crazy world

[@snailsaredumb9412]

​@Logan Floor the Foodist if that was true, I'd have heard of you

[@morgan3625]

@@LoopDoggthere are two dogs

[@Ripsaw460]

@@LoopDogg or there were just two dogs...

[@kiwi9445]

Kids are like sponges. If their favorite youtuber tells them that its ok to say slurs, & that they’re actually being brave intellectuals by doing so, they will 1000% do so. and they did. so good on ian for recognizing that making a world where people are more likely to call each other slurs is actually a BAD thing. and good on charlie for making an update

[@silvertriforce2574]

Damn! If only youtube had a place kids could go where only videos for them would be shown, but where could we find such a place?!?

[@amayasonubi2325]

@@silvertriforce2574 13 year olds are still kids, they aren’t going to be watching cocomelon

[@Zones33]

He has no reason to apologize. It was a different era. It’s completely baffling that people don’t understand what parenting is. Also, the real reason people are mad at him is because he’s acting like a loser with no self respect. His narcissistic wife being the primary source of that.

[@kiwi9445]

@@silvertriforce2574 the reality is the vast majority of kids have unrestricted access to the internet and will for years to come, and that will have big consequences down the line. Parents don't want to parent their children anymore and be aware of what their kids are doing online. That's the reality of the situation now and its not changing anytime soon.

[@amayasonubi2325]

@@Zones33 not true. The 60s was a different era, but it would be BOLD to say that racists back then shouldn’t apologize for their actions. It’s not about the times-it’s about acknowledging what happened then and how we can improve. It’s growth.

[@fyresails]

what a crazy double down.

[@shaunriordan493]

As a fellow 28 y/o man, thank you for defending us. We don’t deserve being called 30. *I’ll add that this is an obvious joke since people are being weird af*

[@seaurchinted]

get outta the way gramps!!!!!

[@ban4nya]

​@@seaurchinted 😭

[@-z0mBEE]

I can hear Kevin hart saying Damn real loud😂

[@jcw231]

@Saya Nara um, the whole thing is a joke. I don't know how that isn't blatantly obvious.

[@shaunriordan493]

Guys it’s just a joke lol I don’t care about getting older. Older me makes way more money than younger me, and my place is way nicer than my dirty college housing. Aging has its perks ❤️ But to the younger gen out here, just make sure you enjoy it!

[@snel556]

Growing up when he was making that sort of content, I saw how it changed my friends senses of humor and made them wayyyy more lenient and PROUD to say hurtful, racist, or sexist things. I think it’s totally fine for Ian to apologize for what he put out into the world, because he did cultivate an audience of young, impressionable kids, who took what he did and said seriously and implemented it into their real life interactions. All my friends watched him, loved his content, and how aggressively offensive it could be. I don’t see how you don’t realize the impact he, and other creators at the time like him, influenced the behavior of the children watching. Edit: seems some of you need to get a life lol. Stay mad and keep showing your asses on the internet I guess 🫶 - my message to anyone with a dumbass comment under this one

[@lukastace3154]

​@What’s your MBTI?-I’M INFP! Exactly lmao the amount of brain rot in the comments sectio-

[@stuggoto750]

Yes, i think that charlie was a bit older than those who could've been influenced at the time, so he might not understand as much as someone who was a teenager back then. Also, i feel like idubbbz, if anyone, would know what sort of impact his content has had more than charlie would

[@gamergod3798]

​@@jessepatterson1909are you literally programmed to say that? Did you even read?

[@snel556]

@@jessepatterson1909 thanks 🥰

[@ihaveathingforredheads3639]

@@lukastace3154 hive mentality, they automatically think Charlie’s in the right

[@woody_you_want]

I still feel like Charlie is missing the sentiment behind the criticism. The content cops aren't the issue, it's that the "edgy humor" genuinely hurt people. Ian's story about that trans fan who assumed he hated them says it all imo

[@bruhbruhbruhhhhh]

Source: I made it the fuck up. All the sudden people started to believe all of this shit when idubbbz made ONE video, his "fans" are so one-sided.

[@alyson7277]

right 😭 i hated charlie saying that idubz wasn’t coming from a place of hate because yes, he probably wasn’t from a place of hate, but the damage has already been done. the trans fan and most others would obviously come to the the conclusion that he’s bigoted just from his content. and it’s not like we could read his mind and see that he wasn’t coming from a place of hate.. :,)

[@codylawson1257]

If you get hurt by an edgy joke then that's on you. Just grow up karen

[@paracausalpaninipress]

Did you watch the entire video? Lol

[@motherearth7303]

@@paracausalpaninipress yes and he still missed the mark. he was minimizing the use of slurs as just edgy humor. the dude doesn't understand how using slurs as a white person even just on the internet can cause harm

[@craxzyog]

Title checks out

[@ashleylauri]

I honestly really feel like saying slurs has always been a bad thing. Every time charlie mentioned the slurs he said they were “loosey goosey slurs” or “edgy shock slurs”. Just because it was an earlier time of the internet doesn’t mean people didn’t understand that saying that word wasn’t alright, it still had all the history then as it does now and wether it came from hate or not wasn’t really the point, slurs aren’t “loosey goosey” they never have been.

[@1mclv]

I think what matters is the intent behind the word, or the way you say it to someone, for example, jew is not a slur, but someone can use it as such to offend someone, same goes for gay. The difference here is that people decide how they take/interpret the word, if you want it to offend you, then it will offend you, if you consider that the person saying it with ill intent is just an asshole, then it won't bother you in the slightest.

[@happyhour4670]

Disagree

[@The-Doctor6969]

@@1mclv I wonder, are you called slurs often?

[@kaled8839]

@@The-Doctor6969 wow crazy how this doesn't matter in the slightest and its obvious youre assuming he's white because he disagrees with you, the racism is astonishing. anyway, as an asian, chink was thrown my way ALOT, and it was very easy to tell when it was said with the intent to offend or not. surprisingly, the intent behind the word very much affected my reception of it! what 1mclv is saying is exactly correct, and you don't need to have experienced it to know, this is common sense that someone trying to offend will offend, and someone not trying to offend won't

[@abcdefzhij]

If you want to unconditionally eat the slop of societal conditioning that is rooted in nothing but moral grandstanding, then sure slurs are always bad and context should be ignored. Otherwise context matters

[@thepopo592]

Yea I think you're kind of missing the point here, he didn't create edgy culture but as Idubbz says in his video He amplified and cultivated it, normalized it and promoted it Through his content

[@perfid-deject2027]

So did a haul of other youTubers, can we get the other youTubers who did the same to apologize and wish for death?

[@KoiNyle]

@@perfid-deject2027 nobody wishing idubbzz death, it’s just he was the mascot for using slurs and kept disguising it saying he’s just edgy. From personal experience a lot of white kids from my school would play on their speakers him saying the N word with a hard R and then say it to our faces and constantly keep doing it and if any kid of color got annoyed they would say they were soft for not understanding dark humor

[@Scripzure]

​@Perfid-Deject nobody was calling for idubbbz to apologize, he did it on his own.

[@initailo1536]

​@@perfid-deject2027 idibbz himself just apologize because he's a grown ass person, the other people you're talking about are just as ignorant as he was before, only he now know that he was a dick in the past

[@IndoorSitup]

You must have been watching completely different videos than I did because I NEVER got the impression that the message behind them was "racism is good". He was just clowning on bad people who were causing infinitely more damage to impressionable kids than Ian ever did.

[@catteroon]

You know it’s bad when Charlie is callin ya into the saloon for a little “chit chat.”

[@TheAngelOfDeath000]

My toilet is Better than Charles toilet

[@carmenpuddinpop8642]

Agreed

[@TheBlueMeteo]

The hell are all these bots for bro...?

[@prezo852]

i accidently clicked this video and that intro of charlie calling me in for a "chit chat" i thought i was dead

[@TheAngelOfDeath000]

@@TheBlueMeteo ikr but fr my toilet bowl is better than Charlie toilet bowl

[@something_different7632]

L Take: the Sequel

[@naseiin]

You're an L

[@PlotlinePlus]

He's partly right. It did bring in the weirdo losers that already existed. But it also drew in a lot, A LOT of kids. His discord was gigantic, the moderation sucked and he basically was entirely hands off. After the leafy and ricegum video in particular, both of their fanbases were welcomed with open arms by those people.

[@telecentric2103]

When I was a kid (13/14) with no supervised internet access, idubbbz was definitely a creator that skewed me into the alt right pipeline because of the vindictive attitudes and philosophy on slurs, I think he understands this was the case for a lot of younger individuals and feels a lot of shame for it. (For more context that was during the 2016 era of “feminist destroyed videos”)

[@thehunterjk2521]

All you need to do is look at the weirdo losers who are against Ian for doing this. Chief among them is The Quartering.

[@marccastillo965]

@@telecentric2103 True, I dint even know it was idubbz who got me started in that culture, it started with me arguing in the comment sections on how I should be allowed to say these things to harassing people online, i truly regret it all.

[@andreigolovik3047]

This is basically the same argument that iPad parents make: "why did the internet teach my kid to [insert something negative]?" There was, and is, worse content than iDubbbz saying slurs freely available. It is nearly entirely the fault of whoever is raising a kid for failing to teach them properly and/or failing to cultivate the capability to learn in them. Kids living in a *completely* sterile environment is never a good thing

[@phelan8385]

RiceGum people weren't edgy just obnoxious, and if they switched over it all means idubbbz showed them that that shit was wrong.

[@HotPanDan]

12:05 You have to understand, when young ppl watch their faves getting laughs/likes/ attention from that “shock humor” they go and mimick it to their friends and community so they can get that same attention. It damages communities across the country when this “humor” is being normalized. It also allows ppl to be racist and frame it as “shock humor” to avoid being fully labeled a racist

[@trashjunglr786]

your last sentence really stuck with me. I remember being so uncomfortable around these kinds of kids because they said really racist stuff to me as a black kid and if I ever tried to call them out, they would gaslight me by saying I can't take a joke and it's just ironic. Funnily enough if I ever jokingly tried to tease them back they would suddenly have an issue

[@trashjunglr786]

@@MadWatcher Ok COD lobbies are one thing, everyone knows that. If you are calling black people the N word as a joke, even if it's a joke in your mind, you are hurting people. You know the history of the word, we know the history of the word, and we are barely removed from segregation. Don't you understand how no one can read minds, we CAN'T understand your intentions perfectly, because while you may be joking, I've met a lot of people with the same humor as that but ARE racist, like violent racist racist. You enable these people with your language because you give them a group of people using it ironically to hide behind and gaslight people into thinking they are one of. Plus kids don't understand this nuance. They see a funny dude that gets a lot of validation (millions of views, recommended on KZbin), and just copy the loud, overtly racist language. Which just hurt kids, like it hurt me. Anyways I just hope you can understand it from the perspective of someone who grew up black. I'm sure you are probably a decent person who just doesn't get it because, well, you never experienced life as a black guy. Peace

[@mikko3]

@@trashjunglr786 They had issue because yours werent jokes you were just upset

[@magnaficocantgame1883]

I was a preteen in 2016, almost in my 20's now, and I can absolutely attest to the fact that a lot of my peers absolutely took his content as to mean slurs are ok. It was to an actual extreme amount, as well. Unfortunately satire falls flat on children's ears quite often. They saw funny man saying slurs and they followed suit Edit: not even an hour later and people are arguing under this on if slurs are ok lmfao no way

[@hotpocketdeity]

He’s made vids saying that they are ok and could be used

[@dravidianking1298]

Same situation, I was in middle school at that time and I had friends who would unironically repeat degenerate shit they would hear filthy frank and other creators like him say. I had to slowly explain to them what satire was and how Frank/others were using it. Many arguments at the lunch table and one requested lesson in satire by our English teacher later and they finally understood 😅

[@gherbo1609]

@@hotpocketdeity i mean, you do choose what offends you, sticks and stones may break my bones blah blah

[@trashspaghetti2]

i was in high school at the time and i can remember the way his fans would group together like,,,as racists,,,at school. they were the worst.

[@XaxAlaine]

clown

[@gridman887]

there's nothing "edgy" about saying slurs and encouraging hate. nothing at all bruh

[@unnamedindividual8835]

When I came out as bi in 9th grade a group of edgy kids who were huge Idubbz fans thought it would be funny to create a group chat dedicated to making fun of me. They dedicated a whole week to creating a fake persona of a trans girl who reached out to me on Snapchat looking for advice on how to come out properly. I didn’t know it was fake so I tried to give my best advice and be as kind and respectful as I could, even when they made the fake trans person say really weird edgy stuff. They ended up screen-shotting the conversation and sharing with my toxic friend group at the time, and they all called me slurs for the rest of the month and would tell me to stop being “triggered” when I would yell at them to stop. I’m glad Idubbz has apologized for his actions, because his channel absolutely contributed to the culture of harassment back then, and it’s good to see he’s turned it around

[@paz1514]

On today's episode of things that never happened

[@awcid]

@@paz1514 I wish I could live as ignorantly as you do.

[@anthonyguzzi9535]

@@paz1514 bro this isn’t even a stretch for highschool what are you on about

[@NuniPikachu]

@@paz1514 Why should this be fake? Things like this happened a lot

[@unnamedindividual8835]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@paz1514 lol, love that show. I believe episode 1 is titled “Paz says something meaningful”

[@herstuna6174]

This is a nice follow up to todays earlier video but I think Charlie is forgetting that iDubbz wasn’t a “product” of edgy internet culture in 2016. He was one of the main contributors. That sort of take on the situation seemingly erases iDubbz autonomy and places the blame on his surroundings as if he’s a byproduct of something and not the reason for it existing. Which I believe is also something iDubbz is apologizing for throughout his video. Thank you for taking the time to clarify some of your comments. Many creators who’s general audience always agree with them wouldn’t take the time to acknowledge the criticism coming from a smaller part of their community!

[@adrianw.8410]

fr. idubbbz was part of the monstrosity of filthy frank. they were where most of that came from. i was in high school and his vids definitely contributed to a toxic environment

[@SomeRandomAustralian]

And to think I “missed the golden years of youtube” a year and a bit ago. Glad I matured.

[@AdventurerOliver]

Both can be true without removing idubbz's autonomy

[@classicsteakZ096]

Really good point. That era of edgy "humour" was definitely spearheaded by the filthyfrank crew, and no matter what he does now I'm glad idubbbz has moved past that instead of others like chad anything4views who still relies on being the most vile human being as a source of comedy

[@vsaturated]

Agree

[@notjohn5988]

I feel as though idubbz of all people would be aware of the impact HIS content made on the internet, hence why he felt the need for an apology.

[@Jitzau]

Felt less like a need and more like "I personally want to apoligize"

[@itsJohnnyArsenic]

​@@Jitzau which makes it even more endearing because it's a want rather a need

[@emiami458]

I always thought he was extremely cringe and still think he is, I would like to see him apologize for that nasty and disgusting video he made of eating vomit, hair and toenails, he's a disgusting degenerate p.o. s

[@onlyaBT]

Charlie should make a follow-up to this video too and call it "Huger L Take." He just doubled down on most of his actually shit points and defended against the worst rebuttals.

[@charliem4560]

Name one shit point that he made

[@k1rbo.c1de]

@@charliem4560 from this video and the last he mentioned how Ian's content, TO HIM, was just lame an edgy, when it inspired a whole new era of racist tweens and teens during that time period.

[@drooooop]

@@charliem4560 How about him repeatedly saying iDubbbz’s content wasn’t harmful despite thousands of people chiming in about the harmful impact his content had on their childhoods? That’s a humongous L take, bordering on gaslighting

[@onlyaBT]

@@charliem4560 One shit point is the existence of the video anyway. It was not his situation to comment on with such an interpersonal take especially. But furthermore he doubles down on ignoring that Idubbbz wasn't apologizing for being a racist and bigot, when what he apologized for was encouraging those types of people and letting others feel unwanted or unaccepted in his community. He straight-up told everyone that the N-word should be free to use, spreading the all-or-nothing, elevating it beyond "edgy" humor and clearly encouraging the use of it with an impressionable audience. Some of which were my own goddamn friends who unintentionally made me ashamed of my own skin color because they would also joke about stereotypes, which in my head meant they were bad. It made me self-conscious of literally drinking Kool-Aid, or eating a piece of watermelon, or having fried chicken, so fuck off with your blind loyalty bullshit. Charlie's a great creator still but this is the dumbest shit he's ever said, since he's ignorant of the influence Idubbbz had (which at least he acknowledged here). Charlie says that that humor was the norm back then, but then continues to push that he feels the apology was unnecessary. Idubbbz apologizing is a great condemnation of that past and he should've acknowledged it for what it was.

[@acommenter3939]

​@@drooooop Just saying "this happened" doesn't mean it did. People make up shit online all the time.

[@pickle7499]

Children are easily influenced, young teen boys found Ian's videos funny and replicated the stuff he said. I was called so many slurs during Idubbz' peak just for being openly bisexual and I really appreciate that he understands the role he's played and that he's apologised for it

[@Randomuser-gv8jq]

grow up man you left wingers do the same thing to the young teen boys by talking about how much you hate white people all the time and you call it "edgy humor"

[@boingy-m5q]

hey CEO of racism (idubbbz) I made you some lunch 😡🥪👊

[@Faithx-um3hv]

Indeed, however, dark humor is not meant for children, who's right in taking the blame, iDubbbz? or their parents?

[@pickle7499]

@@Faithx-um3hv I guess a mix of both? Of course parents should be aware of what their kids are watching but I would still put partial blame on Idubbz for choosing behave the way he did as I'm sure he knew what sort of audience he had

[@apocalypticsword5524]

I disagree that any one person has much sway in the actions of children (outside of their parents of course). I grew up in a time when kids didn't have mobile phones, (they only became somewhat commonplace around my last 2 years of highschool) and internet speeds for those who did were basically dial up so it didnt even matter if you had one. Point being is, we didn't have internet celebs and the like to influence kids and yet I was still bullied relentlessly for years for being Gay. Kids are just little assholes who want an excuse to act out and behave poorly, those same kids who bullied you would've done so regardless, idubbz was just their scapegoat. If you want an example, I'm not gay, yet I was bullied for it. Calling me gay was just the scapegoat kids used to attack me, because in my time it was acceptable to hate someone for sexual preference. Just like in idubbz time it was acceptable to call anything humour and use that to pass off judgement for your actions.

[@coalnel]

From someone who was 13-15 in that time period his attitude was pervasive (although he was by no means the worst offender). And even though I grew out of it, people who had Ian’s perspective were not helpful in my pursuit on becoming a better version of myself. I also want to mention that he did do good. His series on Leafy, the Pauls, Ricegum and others drove many kids away from those people who were definitely a negative influence.

[@franxx941]

Ok as 29 year old, and not American so idubbbz reach was pretty much 0 in my country. Was idubbbz and not only him, but the whole 2016 cringe style of comedy really that influenciatial on the younger gens? like are 12- to 15 year old way more prone to swear/slur, being bigoted, cause of that cringe type of comedy of the 2010 decade? I, Honsestly see it like Charlie, i would say more then an unwarranted apology i see it as not really needed, cause i don't really see the harm he has done, he was cringe he had beef with some people but those people were generally considered obnoxious and toxic by the mayority of the internet at the times.

[@Odeon1970]

​@@franxx941 Yes, you don't understand the influence that KZbin has on kids. You're 29, way out of the age range to personally see the impact it has on kids. Children are being handed unfiltered internet access at the age of 7. When a 10 year old kid finds a KZbinr they like, such as iDubbz, they'll watch that KZbinr a lot and look up to them. It's like kids mimicking what they see on cartoons or in movies.

[@oriam2343]

@@franxx941 well, 'LISTEN' to the Americans all over this comment section talking about how idubbz content did influence that part of time. And how the other sides comments are nothing more than trying to break idubbz growth as a person is just "w0kEiSm" and not him growing up and in his own words "learning empathy"

[@throbbingdad5193]

@@Odeon1970 Im still going to have to agree with charlie on this one. Its true that kids are impressionable and might internalize edgy humor as matter of fact, i dont disagree with that, but blaming that on the creator is just a cop out in my opinion. Like you said kids are getting unfiltered access to the internet, and that is the issue that should have been tackled.

[@jamaal8251]

Leafy was lit.....I miss leafy😭

[@Dashi42100]

That’s the issue with the “it’s just a joke” mentality. It’s just a joke… to you. To others, it could be taken seriously. To others it could be a green light to perpetuate their hurtful ideas. Awareness is more than knowing what you say, but comprehending the environment what you say creates.

[@kd8663]

You just can't decline an apology that wasn't directed at you. It's that simple. Imagine that interaction offline for a second. Person A apologizes to Person B, then Person C who wasn't involved at all jumps in and says "It's all cool, and honestly, I think you're wrong about your own assessment of yourself here." That's weird AF.

[@GransPicker]

No need to apologize

[@GransPicker]

It was pointless

[@kd8663]

@@GransPicker not up to you what’s worth apologizing for. It’s literally between the person apologizing and the person they’re apologizing to. Again, it’s weird to insert yourself into something between other people that doesn’t concern you.

[@GransPicker]

@@kd8663 he clearly has a unnecessary approach to his situation. It’s not weird to tell someone they’re overreacting. He was playing a character just lie, frank and max and basically. They’re all *characters* not meant to be taken serious. Idubbz problem is that he did

[@kd8663]

@@GransPicker it’s up to him to decide if he wants to apologize. Random strangers on the internet don’t matter.

[@nathanrip]

i think the main reason people disagreed with the last video is bc it seemed like you didn’t really understand the impact idubbz’ old content had

[@Deathifymachine]

To quote one of your own videos, “Calling this an apology is a disservice to apologies; he is literally just justifying his reaction.”

[@bug3861]

^^

[@markedtky]

Yeah i guess that does apply to idubbz's apology

[@markedtky]

@@jesterbomb6763 idk, ask this guy. That's the only apology that he was talking about

[@lj0727]

I really don't think Charlie was even attempting to apologize... he literally was just trying to explain his points more clearly.

[@ciararara4759]

@@lj0727 I mean Charlie apologizes for people misunderstanding him lol so I guess he is saying sorry for not making his point very clear from the beginning.

[@danielbarnes97]

As someone that was born in 2000 and was in high school at the height of edge lord era, I can 100% confirm that that type of content had a real effect on my friends and I. While none of us were actually racist, we used the phrase “it’s all okay or non of it’s okay” and anti censorship to totally justify casual racism. And it led to a lot of trouble for us in our school and is so embarrassing and cringey to look back on. We would say things like calling everyone normies for not agreeing with us and saying that it’s all about intention, and not realizing that we were the ones in the wrong. I’m just glad that I’m old enough now and self aware enough to look back at that stuff and cringe

[@Navi_xoo]

You and your friends were cringe at dumb at 16, that isn't a big deal. That's just funny shit everyone does. If we all delude ourselves into thinking every possible thing is racist we will forget what actual racism is like. Personally i think we're going the opposite route of truth. This whole culture of hate boner narcissism and blaming people who aren't actual racists to victimize ourselves is going to lead to more racism. American's aren't smart enough to delineate the nuances of this shit. Anyone will take advantage of it any way they can. You shouldn't regret your past because you and your friends thought some dumb shit was fun, unless it really was some terrible shit.

[@distanctive4768]

The real character development 🎉 Btw, if you were a teen today, how do you think your behaviour would’ve been influenced??

[@enough2715]

​@@distanctive4768 he's barely 23

[@distanctive4768]

@@enough2715 no but I mean 14-16

[@danielbarnes97]

@@distanctive4768 probably still cringe but not racist lol my little brothers and their friends are in high school and they’re still all about the shock humor, so I’m assuming that’s how it’d be, just without the slurs

[@chanchanko4633]

But…..The apology wasn’t for you lol it was for the people who was associated without the slurs. I’m Half back and I’m impressed at how Idubbz addressed and apologized to THE PEOPLE WHO WERE AFFECTED BY HIS USE OF SLURS. You’re too focused on intent. Yeah, Ian didn’t intend to flame the fire of racist sexist incels, but he did.

[@w00ds98]

As a 23 year old European, Idubbz was the main reason my friends and me thought it was cool blurting out slurs back then. None of us cared for screaming the N-Word repeatedly until he made us think its cool. I respectfully think that you SERIOUSLY underestimate how many boys he reached. iDubbz created a generation of young men GLOBALLY, who made racism our personality. He has affected the lives of millions of minorities who were harassed by people like teenage me.

[@DonutToast]

I'm so glad to see other Europeans in this comment section talking about their experiences, because I can't stress enough how much of an impact his content had. And like, how easy it was to see who did and didn't watch his content. Because the folk who didn't speak English or watched other content had a WHOLE other way of acting than idubbz fans did! Like a whole vibe shift. I was on the other end getting bullied and it saved me a lot of grief to stay away from teens who watched his content

[@Ruaskillz1]

Yes he was an outlet for young white males who were constantly being told that their existence as straight, white males was evil and that they were the cause for all wrongdoing on this planet. Meanwhile minorities were allowed to use any insult they wanted against them. Idubbbz had very logical points that he brought up and many people could see that and thus followed him.

[@HawkMoonIGOTIT]

I was young when I first watched the idubzz content cops and I told/showed it to all my friends. We thought it was funny asf (even though being 22 now, the humor is stupid looking back on it obviously). However. Through all the years we watched idubzz, never once did any of us blurt out slurs like insane people. His content was filled with slurs, and we were children watching it, but we all knew better than to do that. You’re saying idubzz is the reason you start yelling out slurs? I don’t really think you can blame content cops on the behavior you engaged in when you were young. But hey that’s just my opinion.

[@lesigh3410]

@@HawkMoonIGOTIT I think you both make good points, but ultimately it comes down to how someone's raised. You can watch edgy content sure, but if you have a good environment and supportive family and/or friends, then it isn't going to turn you into a terrible person or anything like that. Ultimately, most kids (and many adults) are impressionable and will take after whoever they think is in the right in life, and not everyone has a good support system to make sure they won't, for instance, devolve into pointlessly edgy racist idiots.

[@thatoneguyonyoutube4897]

Bro the fact that you thought racism was cool because of a video is more on you than anything.

[@Tashellll]

In any event, if someone feels guilty for something, the best thing they can do for themselves is apologize and move on. It’s not just about the people he and his audience hurt, it’s about himself and his own inner healing and growth. I’m happy for him.

[@babykillingcadillac6719]

what charlie isn't getting is effect matters over intention. idubbbz was apologizing for the effect normalizing slurs and bigoted views had on his primarily young audience at the time. idubbbz may not be racist/homophobic/transphobic but some of the things he said definitely rubbed off on an impressionable fan base. his apology is a good thing. i'm glad he was able to see the errors of his ways, own up to them, and express his newfound empathy for others

[@Ross-pw6kl]

Hundreds of people already said something identical to this comment

[@TMlSenya]

Exactly

[@acojo8205]

@@Ross-pw6kl rightfully so

[@Ross-pw6kl]

@@acojo8205 Do you feel better about yourself?

[@acojo8205]

@@Ross-pw6klI wouldn’t say that. I just think it’s important that people voice their opinions and perspectives. I prefer not to invalidate them. A good portion of the video is specifically about the importance of voicing your opinion regardless of backlash.

[@ari1758]

I really think he should apologize. you just can’t accept it because you literally are not a minority that has the slurs he said used against him. How do you not see how much he influenced the kids around him??

[@BiggestSniff]

he’s also incredibly privileged and will never understand the nuance of these things unless he chooses to look into it. then again, this is someone who is friends with people like Kaya, so he might be battling with his own insecurities

[@acommenter3939]

Because it really didn't. I see a lot of personal anecdotes about it being some detriment in schools, but as a person who was one of like 8 total black people at my middle school during idubbbz peak, that has never been a problem.

[@bjingram8499]

@@acommenter3939 as a person in a similar position as you, the apology was meant for the people who were actually hurt. Just because people like me and you were fortunate enough to not have to experience that, doesn't invalidate the experiences of others who were affected by idubbbz's content.

[@Jiub_SN]

White person can't have opinions ever, understood. This is a comment.

[@progskep]

I’m black and I didn’t care about the content. Most of my friends are black and they didn’t care either. Most of the time we found it funny. That doesn’t matter to you, though. Charlie could be black as coal and giving the same take and you’d still just call him an Uncle Tom and say his opinion isn’t valid. What you *actually*care about is whether he’s willing to tout the party line and say what you want him to say. His race doesn’t matter to you lmao

[@Kyaint]

I feel like Charlie is missing the mark because he isn’t from the generation of kids who grew up impressionable to idubbbz videos. I remember growing up having white friends who watched his videos and eventually those terms were a part of there everyday vocabulary. Personally I couldn’t associate with them over time because they became clones of him. I understand that you think he shouldn’t apologize but I got mad respect for the fact that he did cuz he definitely fostered that culture which wasn’t positive at all. Edit: Finished the video and yeah he hit the mark. I was 14 back in 2016 and the kids watching his videos were definitely in influenced by them. I’m glad you realized that.

[@bignuts1596]

KZbin Comment mfs be typing essays 1 min 30 seconds into a video

[@theroyaljules39]

@@bignuts1596 if you think this is what an essay looks like you need to go back to school

[@islandboy9381]

@@theroyaljules39 these mfs riled up by a paragraph lmao

[@maineman5757]

I'm missing it too because I was 22 in 2016. None of my friends even knew who idubbz even was. Hell... the only thing I know about him now is that he has an onlyfans girlfriend and used to make edgy content.

[@azurepop1848]

​@@bignuts1596 MF freaking out over a paragraph

[@Kizzy10Luv]

Growing up as a young black kid during that time I felt like black ppl were ALWAYS the butt of the joke and it was so wild to me because everyone just moved through the world as if it was totally okay to belittle, berate, and badger black ppl. I say idubbbz 100% played a role in influencing young kids into thinking that it was okay to throw around racial slurs and epithets. It was painful and still is. I am happy he apologized and took accountability for it. Thought it was INSANE that Charlie felt like he had a say in wether or not the apology was warranted when he isn’t part of the offended group. Super disappointed with his take here

[@hoonirl]

ngl black ppl r still often the butt of the joke.. even now man. this has nothing to do w the overall situation but im just saying. we still deal w that stuff to this day

[@Tar.o]

You can have an opinion about subjects no matter your race

[@snerttt]

If you normalise the behaviours of every comedian you spectate, that's your own fault. Some viewers aren't so childish..

[@trialerrorsharer9398]

​@@Tar.o Sure but he doesn't have an informed opinion so its kind of pointless.

[@DanielGomez-bp6be]

@@Tar.o yeah you can but it doesn’t hold any value

[@julianisonline]

Even if Idubbbz was never a "real racist" with the content he was making, it doesn't change the fact that he engaged in and helped desensitize many people to racism with his videos. Not only did millions of impressionable teens (a big audience of edgy KZbinrs back in 2016) learn from somebody that they looked up to that saying slurs was okay, it allowed many bigots to hide their bigotry behind these sentiments. When you have such a far reaching and influential platform like Idubbbz did back with the content cop series, I think it's a little par for the course that you understand how far your messages can go, especially building a reputation for calling out other people for their wrongdoings. Either way, the damage is done and he unfortunately fostered a space where bigots could come together and do what they do. To say that he shouldn't be as ashamed of his actions because they were a product of his time is a little strange, as there were people negatively affected by his rhetoric even back then.

[@davidakude1865]

Real asf

[@cyberjunkienet]

the social awareness it takes to realize slurs are bad is mind boggling in this comment section xD

[@KingKrysto]

Even if idubbbz was never in a "real toxic and unhealthy relationship", it doesn't change the fact that he's exhibiting all the signs of one and helped desensitize many people to emotional abuse with his videos. Not only do millions of impressionable teens (a big audience of incel simp KZbinrs today in 2023) learn from somebody they look up to that emotional manipulation is okay, it allowed many narcissists to hide their emotional abuse behind these sentiments. When you have such a far reaching and influential platform like idubbbz does now thanks to his past career, I think its a little par for the course that you understand how far your messages can go, especially building a reputation for being in highly publicized relationship. Either way, the damage is done and he unfortunately fostered a space where cowards and narcissists could come together and do what they do. To say he shouldn't be ashamed of his actions because they are a product of this time is a little strange, as there are people negatively affected by his rhetoric even today.

[@loveless-]

just saying the n word and other such words isn't racism

[@eduwitch8954]

​@@loveless- it is, people like you are the problem.

[@lydiafernastrology7296]

I know this is weeks old at this point, but I just want to say, I think all of the drama, the valid and the overblown, surrounding this issue aside, one of the real takeaways I think should be that it's not really up to you, or any one person, how much damage is too much in a community. At one point in this video you said something along the lines of "I dont think the damage to any individuals or the online space was so great that it really hurt anyone," but that's a huge assumption to make as an individual yourself, who has not lived other people's experiences. I think one of the biggest issues here is that most people speaking on this issue are behaving as though they have the truest insight on what is right and what is wrong, and how hurt is too hurt for someone else, without experiencing the hurt themselves. It's not really about what you or I think, and that's kinda the real point I think most sensible folks are trying to get across: there was just no reason for anyone to comment on whether the apology video was warranted or not, in any sense, because he made it from his perspective after allowing himself to more compassionately consider the perspectives of others. You dont have to be "attacking" him, it's more like awkwardly standing off to the side shaking your head condescendingly while someone expresses themselves on their own channel - it's not the most damaging thing in the world, but it's kinda just like why?

[@tiddelyfish2413]

Ian didn’t create edgy humor but he along with plenty other creators from that era, did add their own fair share. I think most rational people don’t think he was a racist or a homophobe or anything else, but I think that those remarks did influence less ration people. Those people being teens, when I was in Highschool I heard people saying slurs all the time because they thought it was funny. The content cops are definitely some of Ian’s best work, but I can see why he would really regret all of those deplorable unboxing videos.

[@Beyblade_worrior]

Slurs are funny

[@sola_a]

This is exactly it. It's wild that Charlie doesn't understand this. As a black woman, this "edgy" content shaped my life growing up. People constantly called me names and thought it was okay. Idubbz may not be racists but he contributed to creating such environment. I'm glad he recognizes that and I'm glad he apologized. Hope Charlie goes outside and actually talks to poc affected by this to understand

[@lightningpenguin8937]

​@@Beyblade_worrior Nah, they're kind of cringe. Like I don't think they're the devil, but they're seriously cringe. Same with buzzwords and other types of insults.

[@p1xel110]

having a similar experience is what made charlie's first video rub me the wrong way

[@ImGoodThankYou]

​@@sola_a yeah he was saying slurs left and right like it was nothing

[@hibuddy1473]

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[@dolantremp]

Thank you for your services

[@aliciacardella9526]

now do one for IO

[@catraaa5261]

God bless your kind soul

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

Yessss!!!

[@xamplegaming9236]

Ur a legend lol

[@Groverrulz]

He wasn’t the ONLY creator with that level of edgy humor he was by far one of the biggest and most influential. He absolutely created a culture of shock value through slurs and dark humor. I grew up though high school during his time and I know groups of white kids who were fans of his and molded their idea of humor and what was okay. This meant walking through the halls and having white kids shout slurs as a “joke”. Downplaying his role in creating that culture is the bad take. I’m glad he is growing and learning from the past.

[@plasmanip3998]

@@Gamfluentmy gf said she hated being in school 2016-2018 precisely because of the type of thing this commenter is saying. You really just can’t understand how normalizing casual racism/bigotry and casual racism/bigotry justifications caused a lot of racism & bigotry? Like really?

[@Hans-yo2cq]

hey guys my local bully in middle school stole my lunch money and yelled “WOOOOOOO YEAH BABY!!!” so i think charlie needs to be cancelled and he needs to apologize for influencing toxic behavior in younger generations

[@hermityt1]

@@plasmanip3998 You people are clowns. Do you really believe he was that influential? 2016-2018 was the easiest time in history for kids. Everything you say he influenced was 1000x greater before iDubbbz was even a thing. This age of acting like a victim over everything is pathetic, you all have it easier than any of us, even me who finished school in 2005, another peaceful era. Your generation uses words like racist, bigot and nazi so often that you have forgotten what those things truly are.

[@purplestrawberrys]

@@Hans-yo2cq Woo Yeah Baby isn’t going around and harassing people of color by saying racial slurs around them to bait them into getting upset about it Charlie’s content is anything but hurtful so it’s weird you’re equating that to literal racism

[@mr.dirtydan3338]

Nothing wrong with dark humor. But the slurs was a huge problem. You can't just say the N word and say you were just joking

[@destinyhntr]

This really shows that this Charlie guy (and probably Twitch in general) is a bit of a hive mind. The comments here don't allow for a lot of nuance or acknowledging that a single youtuber shouldn't be blamed for the entirety of a generation's actions. Also, after watching most of idubbbz old videos, most of the racism was said ironically, done to show how silly the racist stereotypes are dumb. If anything, idubbbz is more judgemental now than he was before. He just hates on people in different groups. There are tons of videos from more recent times where he judges others for their politics, being disabled, and being emotional. He hasn't matured or become a better person. He's just became passive aggressive and claims he has become better while not showing it.

[@justyahz796]

i’m just tired of the ‘it was 2016’ excuse. i didn’t act this way then… why would a 26 year old man??

[@happer9813]

adult men were also running around doing parkour in 2015, try that now and its cringey. in specific time periods things are considered cool, in a couple years you might look at this comment and cringe at it. thats time

[@charliem4560]

Because that’s how people acted them.. before people were sensitive snowflakes. 100 years from now, every word you just commented might be offensive.

[@justyahz796]

@@charliem4560 so if i had sex with my son in 1700 its fine because other people did it?

[@justyahz796]

@@happer9813 parkour isnt even cringe your entire argument falls apart once you realize calling people slurs isnt the same as a fun trend

[@Bender1]

The internet would have eaten you alive 10 years ago lmao these soft ass people now

[@Mister_Myr]

I can honestly say that iDubbbz’s comedic style was indoctrinating. When I was a kid I thought it was ok to casually call my friends the n word. We all watched Ian and FilthyFrank so we thought it was fine. Being a grown up now, I feel so weird about it and I do think younger kids are heavily influenced by what they watch. They’re interests, sense of humor, and moral compass can all be impacted by the recommendations of an algorithm, or what they see is popular online. Keep in mind I think you are more susceptible to being influenced by content the younger you are and based on how much time you spend on youtube. I spent hours each day watching youtube videos.

[@singami465]

So you feel like you were indoctrinated by Ian, but don't consider the possibility that you were indoctrinated the opposite way by someone else?

[@Hoodie-K]

You’re literally a bot

[@alleyway8627]

@@singami465 another one without basic human empathy and sympathy here ^

[@johnpsy4129]

Thats a you problem

[@RBLXDignitysHQ]

@@singami465 lol all these morons just follow whatever their youtubers say at the current moment. they're all morons. no saying "slurs" isn't bad if you're not actually being racist, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me etc... the only reason it was ever considered "bad" was because of the adpocalypse so everyone for financial reasons had to stop doing that shit and now suddenly everyone's acting like they stopped because it was "bad".

[@alexwolfe]

He didn't create edgy internet culture, but you can't say he didn't play a big part in it, him, maxmoefoe, filthy Frank etc were the big players in the game, he was reasonable to apologise. Just because you're apologising for it doesn't mean you intentionally did anything awful, i think he's apologising for things he didn't intend. He talks alot about seeing the impacts he has made and that's reasonable to feel bad about, and apologising is never a sin

[@griggletv6974]

Filthy frank started that type of edgy skits ian did it later on with him

[@alwaysabiggafish3305]

You've also misunderstood Charlie's videos then lol. He stated clearly to me that he just thinks iDubbz has nothing to apologise for buddy.

[@solidjames5704]

@@alwaysabiggafish3305what if i told you its possible to disagree with charlie sometimes?

[@gemknight9889]

@Always A Bigga Fish Which would be wrong lol

[@tonethalegit]

You butthurt simpletons act like Idubbbz can just control everyone that watches his content. That should be the parents job to monitor his content not his. You guys just wanna look for every reason to be offended for nowadays lol

[@mujtabaqamar3086]

Just wish people would believe one another when they said that they had faced bigotry. One trans person that hasnt faced transphobia doesn't mean another trans person hasn't. If someone says they're uncomfortable with a slur being used then dont use it. Reclamation of Slurs aren't about gate keeping language. Its about erasing somethings hateful and cruel history.

[@TheWholeShebang_]

I think that the "cruelty" that Ian was talking about was the fact that some of his fanbase would harass the people in the content cop videos

[@antepa112]

So? That's not idubbbz's fault. By that logic lets then make every single commentary channel apologise

[@devyn3332]

@@antepa112 every commentary channel isn’t spewing slurs though

[@mesaplayer9636]

​@@devyn3332but if it's his fault that when he says something others say it then that can be used to say all commentary channels should be forced to apologize

[@clydu91]

​@@devyn3332and giving rethoric on why said slurs are no big deal to say

[@marcoescobar447]

He’s not a “product” of internet culture, he quite literally was one of the major influences in it.. the target audience was kids, right? How mature and complex of decisions do you think children make? They are parrots, if you are an adult running a channel you know has a target audience of kids and you are making content that will undeniably be negatively influential. You might not have “thought” his content was damaging, and even if it wasn’t SEVERELY damaging, it was damaging! So let him apologize about it! Damn!!

[@headerspbj770]

Yeah I’m a good example of this as I was 11 in 2016 and I remember me and pretty much everyone I was friends with would watch people like idubbz, filthyfrank, leafy and pewdiepie(who was also in an edgy phase) I’ve pretty much grown out of it but I know some people haven’t

[@perfid-deject2027]

Nope, he was a product because although he innovated with saying NF that's about all he did that innovated

[@Purplestufff]

I think he was both (as are all people). Nobody exists in a vacuum. Idubbbz wouldn’t have been edgy if there wasn’t already an atmosphere that allowed for that humor to exist. And then he continued and helped grow that atmosphere by himself, along with other creators at the time. This is a big part of why left-wing folks are willing to forgive him (and others) quickly. Acknowledging him being a product of his environment allows us to know what should be avoided/changed in future environments.

[@JohnBrowningsGhost]

I know for a fact that I let my children act and behave however the screen in front of them tells them to, that way when they do something bad Im personally not responsible. Im sure there are legions of clansmen that spawned from Idubbbz that just didnt get the joke.

[@eprimchad2576]

​@@Purplestufff left wing people are willing to forgive others easily? That is quite delusional. Every other point makes sense but there is a culture of no forgiveness with left wing american ppl, its pretty obvious. People forgive idubbbz because he has a huge audience.

[@wearelegion5533]

I saw a comment on the original video where someone wrote: "Its easy to say, no harm done if you were never the target"

[@BluntBrazenCurt_Evolved]

That is very true. Plenty of stupid kids who don’t get that.

[@LordOfAnal]

@@BluntBrazenCurt_Evolvedit’s the mindset that makes you affected, quit being a victim brother

[@Imserious184]

​@@LordOfAnalLiterally nothing about his comment implied he consciously or subconsciously thinks he's a victim. How about you stop being a dick?

[@SumeriyaYaxlaka]

​@@LordOfAnalyou really don't know shit do you

[@fundaez1250]

I hope he reads the comments on these videos. That he still does not get what he’s missing in the situation is kinda tough.

[@oxaile4021]

I think he's just showing that he's smarter than the majority of his viewers. Again, his point was that the people who were content copped did deserve it and that should not be apologized for. Not that the racism wasn't bad. It sucks most of his viewers don't have the iq to separate 2 points from one another.

[@andrewclark293]

I don't watch much of Charlie's content. But from what I can see Charlie has a personality that doesn't allow self reflection. He believes no matter what the issue is, he's always the one with the most correct viewpoint. I doubt he's going to read these comments and have an epiphany telling him he is not the person Ian's video was meant for. He's opened his mouth on the subject and we all know he's not going to shut it. He took this apology personal. Like it is strictly for him and that couldn't be further from the truth.

[@302manman6]

@@oxaile4021he shouldn’t have said shit, no one was apologizing to him.

[@Skrunk.]

@@302manman6 Does it matter? everyone has a say.

[@cherriberri8373]

​@@Skrunk. the point is that the apology was never addressed to Charlie so of course he thinks its stupid. If someone didnt do anything wrong TO YOU and aplogized to someone else and you jumped in like "you shouldnt apologize for nothing thats so stupid", that would be quite stupid. And charlie did that.