Penultimate Stress Rule: How to accent any Latin word CORRECTLY

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Where is the stress in a Latin word? How do you separate syllables in Latin? What are the general rules for Latin accentuation? How do you find the accent of Latin words? I will show you how to correctly stress or accentuate any Latin word in this video! It's actually pretty simple once you learn the PENULTIMATE STRESS RULE, also known as the Penultimate Law or Penultimate Rule.
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Intro and outro music: Overture of Die Zauberflöte (The Magic Flute) by Mozart
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00:00 Intro to the Penultimate Stress Rule
00:50 Monosyllabic & Disyllabic Words
01:01 Polysyllabic Words
02:32 What makes a syllable long or short?
04:12 Examples in Practice
07:41 Exception 1: some words that end in -c
09:02 Exception 2: enclitics on polysyllabic words
12:33 Outtakes

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@nikolaatanasov2453
@nikolaatanasov2453 2 жыл бұрын
As a person who studies both Latin and Ancient Greek in school right now, I want to say that your videos really help me, especially in Latin.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really happy to hear that! Thanks for the nice comment
@RobertRanieri
@RobertRanieri 2 жыл бұрын
Molto chiaro. E tuo spiegazione si può parallele con l’architettura in fondo, in cui si vede concetti di costruzione sviluppati per una logica pratica. Disegno tende di semplificare secondo l’uso, e il creazione sodisfa l’occhio. L’immaginazione creatrice fa suonare gli campanelle.
@TheAtomoh
@TheAtomoh 2 жыл бұрын
@@RobertRanieri Google translate did a very poor job here
@ashlau007
@ashlau007 Жыл бұрын
Very cool, keep at it.
@oswaldocaminos8431
@oswaldocaminos8431 3 ай бұрын
​@@polyMATHY_LukeI also agree with you guys. Congratulations!
@malinpetersson4182
@malinpetersson4182 2 жыл бұрын
I have studied Latin for two years in school, medical terminology after that, and two short classes on Latin for fun, and NOW, with this video, I finally understood the stress rules! 😍 Only reading about the rules in a book or having a teacher repeat it is too abstract for me, I really needed these examples and explanations. Thank you!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really glad!
@ahaks7269
@ahaks7269 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you've touched the stress rules of Latin! Thanks again, Luke.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@EduardoOrlandoLizarragaGarcia
@EduardoOrlandoLizarragaGarcia 2 жыл бұрын
I really love you’re doing these kind of videos in these particular places. It feels like a documentary. I know you could easily explain this topic at the commodity of your house or whatever location, but you doing it here makes me feel like I am there with you, listening to the things you say. Like a tourist and a tour guide.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really glad you like the format
@sekhmara8590
@sekhmara8590 2 жыл бұрын
That’s one of my favorite things. The on location shoots really add to the content. Though I will admit to getting distracted by the amazing surroundings once in awhile, lol.
@alonsoACR
@alonsoACR Жыл бұрын
I agree with you but let me point something out. "Commodity" is a false friend! The English speakers use that word to mean "product." Weird, I know! The word you need is "comfort."
@EduardoOrlandoLizarragaGarcia
@EduardoOrlandoLizarragaGarcia Жыл бұрын
@@alonsoACR you’re right. Thanks for pointing that out.
@esti-od1mz
@esti-od1mz 2 жыл бұрын
I think for an italian speaker is pretty common to catch up on prosody, we kept almost the same stress as in latin... great video!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Infatti, la maggior parte delle parole sono simili, ma non tutte.
@esti-od1mz
@esti-od1mz 2 жыл бұрын
@@polyMATHY_Luke dimentico sempre che potrei parlare in italiano... hai ragione, diciamo che non sempre basta l'intuito! Complimenti per la tua opera di divulgazione!
@eduardocarbonellbelando6865
@eduardocarbonellbelando6865 2 жыл бұрын
The same happens more or less in spanish.
@esti-od1mz
@esti-od1mz 2 жыл бұрын
@@eduardocarbonellbelando6865 pretty much. The only consistent difference is that spanish didn't retain vowel length
@user-un7gp4bl2l
@user-un7gp4bl2l 2 жыл бұрын
@@esti-od1mz Italian didn't either. Italian vowel length is allophonic.
@SiddharthS96
@SiddharthS96 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! The illīc example's stress sounds sort of what's happened to many French words where the last syllable is stressed today, while earlier they had another syllable after that which is now silent
@pierreabbat6157
@pierreabbat6157 2 жыл бұрын
In some words the stress shifted to what is now the last syllable, such as "libellule". The stress in Latin is on the first 'e', and is still there in Spanish "libélula", but in French it's on the 'u'.
@alejandromartinezmontes6700
@alejandromartinezmontes6700 2 жыл бұрын
And in Spanish, words with ultimate stress mostly exists because they have also lost the last syllable. The final /e/ was lost in words that ended in for example, so cīviTĀtem becomes ciuDAD. And in verbs, the endings often collapsed, so fābuLĀvit became fabLAUT and then habló, contrasting with hablo in Spanish.
@Mercure250
@Mercure250 2 жыл бұрын
All words in French now have their stress on the last syllable; the ones which didn't after the loss of the final Latin syllable just shifted their accent to the last syllable. Although I have heard there is now a tendency in France to shift the stress onto the penultimate syllable, but I don't know the details. I'm not sure if it's in all words or just disyllabic words, for example.
@HenrikBergpianorganist
@HenrikBergpianorganist 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mercure250 If you listen to some spoken French you will hear the accent move around within words when they're part of a sentence, often it at least sounds like it's on the penultimate. How the French perceive it themselves I don't know. An example for comparison: many Swedish two-syllable words might sound to a foreigner like they are accented on the last syllable, while for a Swede they're obviously accented on the first syllable...
@Mercure250
@Mercure250 2 жыл бұрын
@@HenrikBergpianorganist A French speaker just doesn't hear it consciously. It doesn't make a real difference for us, so we don't really pay attention to it. But it is generally described that French words have their accent on the last syllable. That being said, I did hear about a recent tendency to put the accent on the penultimate for some speakers, but I don't know the details of it. In any case, it is completely subconscious and French people won't notice anything until someone points it out to them.
@freedomm
@freedomm 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are part of the impetus for my decision at 48 to quit my dead-end job of 20 years (that I never loved) to go back to school for Romance Languages, something I'm passionate about. I'm moving to Rome, Italy this Summer and start grad school in October. I'm not worried because, as far as I'm concerned, for the first time in my life, I've chosen to live. Gratias tibi 🙏
@lesbeckett3666
@lesbeckett3666 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a Latin scholar--just 4 years of classes, long ago. Using the stress rules, as you pointed them out, really does make the word roots stand out verbally. And when I recite from the Aeneidas, using the stress accents and verbally prolonging the long vowels, even when they're not stressed, and trilling the "r"s as you explained elsewhere, it really does sound very poetic! Thanks for the videos!!
@bladeofcarella
@bladeofcarella 2 жыл бұрын
Italian here! I have to be honest, I am finally appreciating Latin and I'm actively studying it via Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata. Thanks, Luke. You made me realize how cool Latin is and how back in liceo I was good at it, but my approach to it was quite toxic due to the whole, get grades, question later minset. Ugh, those days. PS: I'm feeling quite privileged right now cause the whole accent system is quite 1:1 between Italian and Latin haha, it's still cool to spot a few differences.
@andrewchojnicki3112
@andrewchojnicki3112 2 жыл бұрын
For example?
@trafo60
@trafo60 Жыл бұрын
It is amazing how stable that accent has been. Modern Romance languages don't have this neat pattern anymore, due to losing vowel length and generally losing sounds, but the accent has by and large stayed in the same place for any given word
@pikXpixelart
@pikXpixelart 2 жыл бұрын
The camera work is smooth as hell. It makes for a polished video.
@user-op7dr2bt4r
@user-op7dr2bt4r 7 ай бұрын
Nice video! I can finally read words with enclitics (-que, -ne,...) correctly. Many textbooks just talk about the penultimate rule itself and ignore this important exception.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 7 ай бұрын
I’m delighted!
@ayytism8857
@ayytism8857 2 жыл бұрын
Could you next cover the stress rules of Greek? I would find it amazingly helpful in taking up the language!
@Mithraschosen
@Mithraschosen 2 жыл бұрын
Luke is looking so suave in that sweater, teaching us about history and language like a cool history professor.
@thealexfiles303
@thealexfiles303 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this channel and the content. It always makes my day better, and then Luke's reaction to the cat at the end somehow made it even more so.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Alex!
@simonmonsour9289
@simonmonsour9289 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this subject Luke! In the past couple months I’ve found that stress rules are actually very important for correct translation as well as pronunciation.
@eduardocarbonellbelando6865
@eduardocarbonellbelando6865 2 жыл бұрын
I love your content. I’ m going to study classic philolgy at university and your videos have encouraged me to become a fluent latin and ancient greek speaker.Un saludo desde Valencia, España.
@edgeofthought
@edgeofthought 2 ай бұрын
Dude. dude. Two years ago? I'm just getting into Latin, the past year, and just picked up Lingua Latina Familia Romana on your commendation, and I hope to keep seeing your new videos. Probably gonna join your channel as member soon. Thanks for all your work. Edit: Joined.
@edgeofthought
@edgeofthought 2 ай бұрын
PS. I just discovered a video I made went global viral so now I'm thinking about YT from a proper business venture perspective. And my stuff brushes up on the languages, especially Latin, Greek (Koine and Ancient), Hebrew, and possibly Arabic. So, it is part of my vision to chip in on those who have inspired me. For conversational stats purposes, the videos on the "no article in Latin, but there is a word *for* article in Latin", and your general vision for high quality pronunciation seen in the video about long and short vowel length, with statistical analysis, were two major items that pushed me to joining membership.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for becoming a Member! I appreciate the support very much. I’m also pleased to hear of the success of your own channel! Keep working with Familia Romana, and eventually you will attain reading fluency.
@Romanophonie
@Romanophonie 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like you could teach me the most complicated thing ever, and I'd understand it immediately. (Not saying the penultimate stress rule is complicated, but your explanation is on point.)
@Thwy
@Thwy 2 жыл бұрын
It's really similar to how stress works in portuguese! (Except portuguese has a few words with the last syllable stressed, but the great majority of the language follows the rules you said). And I never wondered how stress works in portuguese. The more I learn latin, the more I learn my mother tongue
@Vitorruy1
@Vitorruy1 2 жыл бұрын
you learn that in orinary school. maybe you slept through that class? haha just kidding
@Thwy
@Thwy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Vitorruy1 They just told me that stress was on diacritics. This video is a lot deeper
@alberteinstein1015
@alberteinstein1015 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Luke! I just started on LLPSI and I'm immeasurably engaged. I started reading aloud so I would know the words' sound, and now with some practice, I will do it with competence.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Great!
@user-ip8rk5lm4f
@user-ip8rk5lm4f 7 ай бұрын
This taught me more in 13 minutes than my teacher did in the whole school year
@annabellethedoll3764
@annabellethedoll3764 2 жыл бұрын
I found this very helpful and very easy to understand. I have watched the same tutorial from Latin tutorial, but I was a bit confused, but after watching your video, I have finally understood about 90%. Thank you for your effort, because of you that I have inloved with Latin.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you found it helpful!
@carmensavu5122
@carmensavu5122 Жыл бұрын
A good general rule when you have consonant clusters is Maximize Onsets. That is, you put as many consonants in an onset (before the vowel (nucleus)) as you can, until you encounter al illegal onset for the language in question. Then all the other consonants go in codas.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke Жыл бұрын
Well said
@jpaulo_ap
@jpaulo_ap 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Luke. It'll help a lot in my Latin studies.
@jasonbaker2370
@jasonbaker2370 Жыл бұрын
Such a helpful and interesting video. Thank you!
@carlosrenealbuquerque7907
@carlosrenealbuquerque7907 9 ай бұрын
Tibi grātiās agō quod materiales audiovisuales in linguā latinā facis. I’ve been trying to learn Latin for almost 20 years now (I was an adolescent when I started and mostly studied from books) and all the questions that I have been having ever since, have been answered by your videos. Salvē te ex Nicaraguā.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 9 ай бұрын
Salvē et tū! Estoy muy contento si mis vídeos ayudan.
@carlosrenealbuquerque7907
@carlosrenealbuquerque7907 9 ай бұрын
@@polyMATHY_Luke Gracias por responder a mi comentario. Sabía que hablas italiano y otros idiomas, pero no sabía que también hablas español. Forum habesne ubi latine scribere possumus tēcum aut cum altrōs?
@utinam4041
@utinam4041 2 жыл бұрын
A most clear exposition! Thank you!
@hrafnagu9243
@hrafnagu9243 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't ever really interested in Latin until I discovered your channel. Now I was almost all your uploads.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
That is really kind of you. More to come!
@LinguiZt
@LinguiZt 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making it so much easier to understand! The best explanation of the topic. Every beginner needs to hear it.
@pierreabbat6157
@pierreabbat6157 2 жыл бұрын
A few days ago I came across the word "Camponotus" (a genus of ant) and wondered where the stress is. There are two Greek words that could end up as "notus/m" in Latin; one means "south" and the other means "back". Here (and in the cricket Camptonotus), it appears to mean "bent back" (καμπή+νῶτον). Since "back" is "νῶτον", the second 'o' in "Camponotus" is long and therefore stressed: Camponōtus. Where is the stress in "Maratus" (peacock spider, a kind of jumping spider)? Scientific names are usually written without macrons, but Wiktionary has (under Translingual, not Latin) the complete declension of "Homo sapiens", with macrons.
@paradoxicalbox4054
@paradoxicalbox4054 2 жыл бұрын
It reads to me - at least, most naturally - as Mar-A-tus, as if the second a should have a macron. I am no expert, though
@ThomasWhichello
@ThomasWhichello 2 жыл бұрын
I was not able to find an answer to this question, so this is only what I can personally conjecture: "Maratus" perhaps comes from Latin "marra," a hoe or hook. The adjective-suffix -ātus would then form a notion of "hoed"--a picturesque metaphor, as if to say that the patterns in the peacock-spider had been embedded by a hoe. The accent, therefore, would go on the penultimate syllable. Some would Anglicize this as Mar-EY-tus, by analogy with words like apparatus or mammatus; others would pronounce it Mar-AH-tus, by analogy with one pronunciation of literatus. My own preference would be for Mar-EY-tus (I'd also say liter-EY-tus).
@Joseph-mu2nh
@Joseph-mu2nh Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very helpful!
@andresyanez9243
@andresyanez9243 2 жыл бұрын
Excelente vídeo Luke! Tenía dudas en cuanto a la acentuación de las palabras polisilábicas con enclíticas. Acabo de encontrar, por ejemplo, en el cap. XLII de "Roma Aeterna" de Orberg, "caelestiaque arma", y no sabía cómo pronunciarla. Como siempre, una fuente de aprendizaje tus vídeos!! Gracias!!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
De nada!
@fraternitas5117
@fraternitas5117 2 жыл бұрын
He is getting so good at these videos it is shocking a mainstream TV show has not picked him up yet.
@tpmoita
@tpmoita Жыл бұрын
Great video, really made this clearer for me.
@mikahamari6420
@mikahamari6420 2 жыл бұрын
As usual, this is interesting, thank you! I don't know about dialectal variation in the history of Latin, but I wouldn't be surprised if in some dialects the short penultimate syllable changed to long syllable for gaining prominence to carry main stress, like: a-gi-tur > a-git-tur
@linguistic__passion
@linguistic__passion 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the excellent explanation!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@robertthomson1587
@robertthomson1587 2 жыл бұрын
A beautifully clear exposition - completely consistent with the rules that I learnt in high school from Father McEvoy SJ.
@VenomVaxo
@VenomVaxo 2 жыл бұрын
I've been watching this channel for so long that I decided to learn... LATIN
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@freki9940
@freki9940 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much! this video is exactly what i needed. i was always familiar with the pronunciation, but never quite knew where the stress was
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you found it helpful!
@FoundinAntiquity
@FoundinAntiquity 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the nuances you bring up about accentuation! Particularly with the interesting exceptions to what is otherwise a very regular stress accent rule, with words like illīc and līminaque.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Carla! Your insights on the enclitics are foundational to my recitations today.
@CeceliPS3
@CeceliPS3 2 жыл бұрын
Paeneultima, in portuguese-BR, penúltima. Oh, man... This made me more excited to learn latin and understand the origin of tons of my native language.
@leonstevens1382
@leonstevens1382 2 жыл бұрын
Good explanation! Nice sweater too.
@daciaromana2396
@daciaromana2396 2 жыл бұрын
Great topic.
@arieleduardo2492
@arieleduardo2492 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Professor Luke were alive back then in Roman Empire and had the tools he has today to teach us Latin. There would not be so many Romance languages like today and Latin would remain the lingua franca to this day 🚩🚩🚩
@Pedro-ld2qi
@Pedro-ld2qi 2 жыл бұрын
Salve, Luke! Faze mais vídeos sobre gramática, por favor.
@bytheway1031
@bytheway1031 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Luke👍
@WeyounSix
@WeyounSix 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how in Spanish the default stress is at the end of the word, just second to last here.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Latin and Spanish have similarly clever and simple systems. Latin’s is much simpler.
@davidsoteloruido4766
@davidsoteloruido4766 2 жыл бұрын
In fact most words in Spanish are stressed in the secons to last. That's what we call a "llana" or "grave" word
@WeyounSix
@WeyounSix 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidsoteloruido4766 I’ve always seen that the stress tends to default to the end unless specified by a stress mark. Like how it’s recordár not recódar
@blackgod854
@blackgod854 2 жыл бұрын
@@WeyounSix its pretty straightforward, i can explain it all here >stress is by default penultimate in words ending in a vowel, s, or n >stress is ultimate in words ending otherwise: usually -r, -l, -z, or -d ^in these situations, stress is unmarked (the accent mark is omitted)^ in all other situations, the stress is marked, such as: antepenultimate stress "sábado" exceptional stress "acción" (where you might otherwise expect penultimate stress in a word ending with -n) +additionally, the accent is used to distinguish homophones in writing tu (your) vs tú (you), mas (archaic 'but') vs más (more), el (masculine definite article) vs él (he/him) in short, as a reader of spanish, there is never a situation in which stress is unpredictable. it will always be marked-- sometimes by the absence of a marker itself.
@davidsoteloruido4766
@davidsoteloruido4766 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a linguist, but I have never used the concept "default stress" in Spanish. Your example is an infinitive, and infinitives are allways stressed in the last syllable, precisely because they come from latin infinitives that have lost their last vowel.
@AlfonsoPerugini
@AlfonsoPerugini 2 жыл бұрын
Ciao Luke!! Bellissimo video!!
@anastasijap1312
@anastasijap1312 2 жыл бұрын
I have to read some phrases for my exam on wednesday so this video came just in time 😅🥲. I am studying French at uni and this is my first Latin exam. Great video btw!
@evolagenda
@evolagenda 2 жыл бұрын
Really great format Luke, really beautiful
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mikazoftstrom2343
@mikazoftstrom2343 2 жыл бұрын
Great job, super informative as always.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@faramund9865
@faramund9865 9 ай бұрын
What a shame this video doesn't get more attention. If you put the stress wrong you often sound like you're speaking a completely different language. It's important! Thanks for explaining this clearly! (Although I'm not a big fan of what you're wearing but it's irrelevant).
@ElmerEscoto
@ElmerEscoto 9 ай бұрын
Gratias tibi ago, Luce!
@GeorgiSaykov
@GeorgiSaykov 2 жыл бұрын
Salve Luke, thank you for yet another helpful and easy to understand rule making life and Latin easier :) I started doing the 15 minutes morning Latin before work as per Ranieri-Dowling method but I could not do my Latin repetitions this morning. Watching this interesting video made my conscious clear for the day ;)
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
That’s great! Thanks, and best of luck!
@roen6800
@roen6800 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thank you!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m delighted!
@paulfaulkner6299
@paulfaulkner6299 2 жыл бұрын
*Once* I have had my fill of learning Spanish, I intend to try to become (if such a grade exists) an A1 student of latin through being inspired by Luke. No, I will never be a professor or master but just to have a proper basic understanding of the route of the 2 laguages which I kind of do speak (French & Spanish) to go with my native English - as in where did (some of it) all come from and how it diverged over the ages into these and other Romance languages. Thanks Luke. You are a really good teacher because you make something which most find boring very interesting - I always try to watch your latest releases!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@johneonas6628
@johneonas6628 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@fvry402
@fvry402 Жыл бұрын
I think, this is great, thanks a lot, so long i have been thinking about this.... and you give the answer.....
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@AndreiIorgulescu
@AndreiIorgulescu 2 жыл бұрын
Salut Luke! I just want to say that I really enjoyed your past couple of videos! Brilliant work man! It's interesting how much more insight into Romanian, learning about Latin gives me. All hail Luke! Long live language geeks! P. S. Really interesting how macellum in Italian and Romanian (macello/măcel) now mean butchering. Bet they cut a lot of animals in a macellum 😁
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Mulțumesc mult!
@ancadragoslav7613
@ancadragoslav7613 2 жыл бұрын
Domnu'@@polyMATHY_Luke, ce înseamnă acest cuvânt, "mulțumesc"? :-? How is it linked to whatever in real world?
@PeloquinDavid
@PeloquinDavid 6 ай бұрын
Interesting. The examples of Latin words with accents on final syllables ending in consonants (like "illic" here) is very familiar to us French-speakers given how common it is for French words to drop the final vowels from their Vulgar Latin source words. One of my Spanish profs noted how French words mostly seem to stress the last syllable, unlike Spanish, where it's mostly on the penultimate syllable. But in practice, where both French and Spanish words start from the same Latin source word (as they quite often do), they actually accent the SAME syllable, the only difference being that French has dropped or "muted" the last syllable whereas Spanish has retained one (usually just a vowel).
@DavidAmster
@DavidAmster 2 жыл бұрын
Optime! Pellicula valde utilis! Thanks for adding the link to the excellent article on enclitics.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Grātiās et tibi agō!
@juarezcastellano3894
@juarezcastellano3894 2 ай бұрын
Great!
@Yamikaiba123
@Yamikaiba123 Жыл бұрын
Thankyou again, Lucas. Some local people are now asking for my input on reconstructing the original Latin psalmody, for which I and my assistant have reliably found metrical rhythm for... when Classical pronunciation is applied to correctly macronned lyrics! But I am accustomed to working in Biblical Hebrew, so I still want to know where the intonational stresses should go. Guy from the Vatican Observatory, though, said that my Vulgate recitation was most beautiful, and wants me to get in touch with a certain Italian professor of church Paleo-musicology.
@mrgeorgejetson
@mrgeorgejetson 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as usual, and a valiant effort to clarify a very thorny issue. And thorny it is, as I think the entire discussion from 9:00 onward ably demonstrates. When we eventually get to "So that's the penultimate stress rule" (at 11:17), I think we can all agree that the use of both the singular article and the very word "rule" is a bit of a stretch. But none of this is to diminish the achievement we're seeing here. What it really shows is that if you want to learn how to speak a language, you need to actually speak it, as our man does, rather than treat it as a curio or a historical relic (or, worst of all, just say "fuck it!" and Italianize it).
@OAlem
@OAlem 2 жыл бұрын
You seem to be focused on the exceptions to the rule. They don't disqualify it. Exceptions prove the rule, in fact. That's my secret #6. My students tend to search for exceptions so much that they never master the rule. And yes, I'm talking about English too.
@JKTCGMV13
@JKTCGMV13 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely reaction to the cat at the end
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
🐈
@malcolmsulit5584
@malcolmsulit5584 Жыл бұрын
While watching this video, I also try to pronounce the examples you've given, in the Ecclesiastical pronunciation. Gratias Mr. Lucius.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke Жыл бұрын
A great exercise
@mattonthemoon225
@mattonthemoon225 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, can you make a video about how Latin language evolved into current Roman italian dialect? I’m curious about the current central italian accent, for me as an italian it’s weird to think that ancient Latin evolved into the current language of Rome along centuries
@user-cx9od6mt2r
@user-cx9od6mt2r 2 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting. We also have this in arabic the long vowels and shorter vowels that can completely change a word. I recently also discovered that Classical arabic borrowed some words from Greek and that ancient arabs were influenced by them as well. There I found some similarities. I recommend highly arabic for you, it is very rich and sophisticated in case endings and grammatical deph
@nihil1
@nihil1 2 жыл бұрын
In cases such as generaque, Portuguese used to have subtonic diacritics. eg: "histórica" (historic - adjective) would become "històricamente" (historically, adverb) - the main stress is always in MEN in these "-mente" adverbs in Portuguese, but would conserve subtonic function of the original tonic. These uses of the grave accent were abolished in 1971(BR) and 1973(PT).
@katam6471
@katam6471 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! I was trying to wrap my head around Latin accent this very morning, but gave up and thought I'd have to see if you had a video on the subject. :-)
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Good timing!
@user-de5tv7nt5e
@user-de5tv7nt5e 25 күн бұрын
Gratias multas Luce ! Mihi adiuvit pellicula tua ut omnes tuae. Latinae nostri temporis liguae multum attulisti ! Gratias plurimas !
@flaviospadavecchia5126
@flaviospadavecchia5126 6 ай бұрын
I love (read "hate") Italian Latin textbooks for high schoolers, where they dont always use the macron where it needs to go, but rather use the short vowel marker to remind the student that the stress won't fall on that syllable. Hardly an improvement, imho.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 6 ай бұрын
Ben detto.
@christianstainazfischer
@christianstainazfischer 2 жыл бұрын
5:33 ok, that’s really really helpful to know! Great video as always
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad if it helps!
@johncharleson8733
@johncharleson8733 2 жыл бұрын
This proper Latin pronunciation is very similar to the accent stress (and by extension, location) in Southern Italian as compared to Northern Italian; dividing Italy, of course, into only two major regions.
@faryafaraji
@faryafaraji 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks alot for this one, the stress rule has always been somewhat difficult to follow for me. Also that beautiful Italian evening background is magnificent
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Farya!
@MusaPedestris
@MusaPedestris 2 жыл бұрын
Salve amice! Perdilucide explanasti! This I explain to my students in the first session in the same way! 🙂 But I'm never quite sure about words ending in -que. So cool that you posted the link to the paper! Going to read it! Euge!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Gaudeō sī tibi ūsuī erit! Commentāriōs illōs Carla Hurt (Found in Antiquity) pānxit. Analysin optimam esse exīstimō.
@flamenco0604
@flamenco0604 2 жыл бұрын
This lesson reminds me about the syllable lesson at school ☺️. The end of the video is hilarious. 😂 E comunque i mercati traianei dentro sono spettacolari. 👍🏻
@The12hugo
@The12hugo 2 жыл бұрын
His walking in the video while explaining gives it that documentary vibe. It's like I'm watching a very interesting TV show about latin.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
That’s great! Thanks for the feedback
@michaelgrabner8977
@michaelgrabner8977 2 жыл бұрын
That place reminded me now on a funny story. Many decades ago I was visiting the Trajan market with my Latin class from school and we were about 16 years old, and there I encountered the funniest sentence in Latin which I will never forget, although I forgot almost everything about Latin, but not that following sentence. One of my school mates totally out of the blue said while pointing at a girl he noticed who was randomly passing by "Ecce, muliere ibi, cum tunicola minima et mammis capitalibus" We had to laugh so hard hearing him saying that in Latin and I even don´t know if that was correct Latin but we totally understood what he meant and why she got his attention..her skirt was extremly short and her décolleté was massive
@adrianokury
@adrianokury 2 жыл бұрын
In Portuguese, penúltima is a regular word. As for other examples of words formed with paene-, I could cite penumbra [= quasi-shadow] or a much more technical term Paenungulata [= animals very similar to the Ungulata].
@golden_smaug
@golden_smaug 2 жыл бұрын
Vir pulchre, video optimum ut semper, nōn scīvī rem hanc sed nunc sciō ob tē! Gratiās! :)
@LinguarumFautor
@LinguarumFautor 2 жыл бұрын
If you do a video on Greek pitch placement, it would be nice to cover enclitics. I’ve read Smythe a dozen times, but it doesn’t stick for long.
@clydecessna737
@clydecessna737 2 жыл бұрын
Gratias tibi.
@bogdan6020
@bogdan6020 2 жыл бұрын
Salve Lucius. I love watching your videos. My dream is to learn Chinese(Mandarin), German and Latin. (my native languages are russian and english). I am only 18 years old and i hope someday i will become as good at the world's languages as you. Good luck.
@justinrhodes1745
@justinrhodes1745 2 жыл бұрын
Live this, would you be able to do a stress video for Italian please?
@Joseph-mu2nh
@Joseph-mu2nh Жыл бұрын
Your videos have helped me understand the importance of vowel length in Latin. This topic does not seem a commonly taught one.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke Жыл бұрын
Very much obliged, Joseph! I’m glad to hear that
@nzeminator
@nzeminator 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke and GG as always. Would you like to speak about U.S. States' mottos in Latin and why Americans use the word "motto" itself?
@Say_Tin
@Say_Tin 2 жыл бұрын
Luke in this outfit looks like the wise weird sage guy that the anime protagonist goes to after they get defeated and lose all hope
@orleanslecanut3031
@orleanslecanut3031 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful explanations, very clear. And I learned to my dismay that I place the accent wrong with enclitics (the genera-like words) Otherwise, a little thing I think you forgot: the final -iī(s), which is often contracted into -ī(s).
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not you’re fault; many textbooks give the advice to accent before enclitics based on a bad reading of Late Latin grammarians
@ClydeC
@ClydeC 2 жыл бұрын
Your jacket reminds me of Lorica Hamata with the design
@user-nf9xc7ww7m
@user-nf9xc7ww7m 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a video where you use anglicised Latin pronunciation (eg caesar = SEE-zer) and walk around asking questions, seeing if people know what you're saying. And use the alveolar approximate r for extra kick
@jvphilip
@jvphilip 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. So much interesting information. Need to congratulate you that you sometimes do a long take - how much you say seamlessly without any cuts to the film, is amazing! Loved the cat, btw.
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, I’ve taught these subjects for many years so I enjoy chatting about them.
@jvphilip
@jvphilip 2 жыл бұрын
@@polyMATHY_Luke And I enjoy listening to you talk about them. So much passion. Love it!
@jvphilip
@jvphilip 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, you're passionate about the subject matter... :D
@oscarkoenders625
@oscarkoenders625 Жыл бұрын
excellent explanation. Thank you. One question: is in the Italian word antipatico the stress on PA, but in sgradito on DI. I think in both cases the I in the penultimate syllabul is short. Does it matter if the word only has 3 syllabi?
@mario8833
@mario8833 2 жыл бұрын
I bloopers sono fantastici. Quel "cazzo!" trasudava italianità da tutti i pori😂
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
🇮🇹 💚
@LukeIamYourFather94
@LukeIamYourFather94 2 жыл бұрын
I speak Spanish and the rules are almost tipical as we have four types of tildación and it´s almost identical to latin Strange how things are correlated nowadays with what happened in the past... Great video as usual..
@mestrerex1479
@mestrerex1479 2 жыл бұрын
Must be wonderfull big cities 🤩🤩🤩
@spellandshield
@spellandshield 2 жыл бұрын
Always amazing how you manage to do this extemporaneously as if pulling magic out of a hat; you are truly a lord amongt men!
@polyMATHY_Luke
@polyMATHY_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
Very kind! These are subjects that I’ve taught for many years.
@etb3729
@etb3729 2 жыл бұрын
Went to Rome twice last year. Really hope to run into you next time, brotha!
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo 4 ай бұрын
Finnish syllabification works the exact same way, as Latin. So, very natural, for me. 😁
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