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[@ajtaylor8750]

JJ has "controversial" takes? If anything he just calls it like it is and people can't handle that. He's becoming a major threat to the classic media heads in the age of the new media.

[@yuhhtempo]

People see anything as PROVING WHAT PEOPLE GENERALLY THINK IS RIGHT wrong as controversial. Its weird because its so many statements I hear regurgitate the same information that usually ISN’T EVEN TRUE

[@williamblackfyre4866]

No....JJ calls in like he sees it. These are opinions, there is no real right or wrong answer. Maybe he doesn't even see it that way and is just pandering to a different, younger crowd. You really never know with these talking heads, but majority are fake af and just take up opposing views because they have to, the shows would be boring if everyone agreed.

[@LetMeEatDem]

@@williamblackfyre4866 yeah it’s entertainment at the end of the day. The whole sports system is based off entertainment. I used to get uptight over these debate shows so I get it though.

[@user-wy1et9dk9w]

Like he did with Ben Simmons right?

[@PastLifeVillian]

Nope, calling everyone before 2010 plumbers isn’t “calling it like it is”. He’s a modern version of the other weirdos on First Take.

[@tysonmaddox1090]

Tbh it’s actually insane how much people judge jj for his 3 point shooting takes like he isnt one of the best 3 point shooters ever and would be an example of some being a better 3 point shooter that Larry bird. Also ik jj said that fouls were harder back then but specified that there may not be as much of a difference on the 3 point line because no one cared about it. Why do we care so much about a statistic that he didn’t even care about back then?

[@TheFanDEATH]

JJ also wasn't talking about physicality in general, if you watch what dude (seemingly) intentionally cut out, he's talking specifically about moving without the ball on the perimeter. I did what JJ suggested & watched about 10 playoff games from the 87 season. Bird on the perimeter was never touched, he just roamed free, in fact all the hand check talk needs to stop too because when it comes to perimeter players it wasn't even used. Jordan caught like 2 hand checks that whole series. Outside the paint no one was bumping & tugging on players without the ball all that stuff happened in the paint. But there wasn't a lot of movement without the ball on the perimeter either. Defenders didn't have to fight through off the ball screens. If Bird was on the perimeter, he was usually just standing there.

[@GodsDissapointment]

@TheFanDEATH ok I'm glad I'm not crazy. I didn't remember exactly what jj said but I knew he was taking what jj said out of contexts. Pretty sure he knew he had no point on jj's actual take so he moved the goal post. Funny thing is dudes argument still sucked.

[@anthonycelestin3559]

That’s BS to say Bird can’t be a top five 3 point shooter based on volume. Is Harden a top five 3 point shooter? Harden is on pace to beat Ray Allen’s record for made 3s next year on less years spent in the league compared to Ray Allen

[@kevdes]

​@@anthonycelestin3559 exactly

[@anthonycelestin3559]

@@kevdes JJ Reddick take on this is so asinine . JJ got mind over Deebo when it comes to casuals. JJ got some good takes but he got some bad takes too. This 3 point shooting volume stuff is the most BS stuff I ever heard. How does JJ Reddick know Bird wouldn’t be a better 3 point shooter if he played now if he shot the 3 at a higher rate? Just to make a blanket statement that Bird can’t be a top five 3 point shooter due to volume makes no damn sense

[@amazintr3266]

Jj redick is the only thing (and Tim legler) keeping basketball discourse alive in mainstream media 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@fazediamond5671]

Fax

[@chalnervassor9430]

keeps everybody in check

[@alecboulton3537]

Richard Jefferson, j will, cmon

[@tedenejp1644]

I swear

[@TheInferno0099]

I prefer tim legler over jj

[@KingVXLV]

It’s crazy how I always watch a block of videos from y’all then when I get done, y’all drop something else 😂 love the hard work gentlemen 💪🏽

[@killiemucken]

That legit just happened to me was watching top 5 most overrated players come out that video and this one was sitting waiting

[@mattmmixes]

I’m forever two weeks behind on videos, sometimes I’ll jump a video to the top of the list if it’s interesting and or I have free time

[@spedman56]

@@mattmmixes the KZbin algorithm decides what I watch sometimes

[@kettlemypedals]

It’s real hard work watching videos of other peoples work and posting it as original content

[@anddanny2263]

also when jj is talking about the physicallity in this segment he is primarily refering to how that relates to shooting and that actually its more likely that a player now deal with more physical play being chase around screens and trying to get open for 3 because it is a shot that teams are trying to prevent, in the 80s a team was happy when you decided to shoot a 3, there wasnt any grabbing or bodying to prevent you from shooting 3s like there is today

[@aceiverson7966]

Thank you i was just about to comment this either dude didn’t care to watch/play the rest of the clip but that’s what jj point was about the physicality

[@Fujiisamaa]

exactly, the league average for 3PT% was 22% in the 80's, nowadays you would be out of league with that percentage unless you're a dominant big man.

[@DaLockedOne]

Was also about talk about this. JJ literally mentions this in this debate and the guy in the video just tosses the rest of his take. Agenda push like shit

[@johnnyblingg]

So you’re saying that when players ran off screen in the 80s/90s they weren’t being roughed up?

[@DaLockedOne]

@@johnnyblingg thats not what he’s saying. Before modern time, shooting was not as prominent so perimeter defense wasn’t as tough on shooters as they are now. Outside of the true defenders like sidney moncrief, gary payton, and MJ, players were giving alot of looks at the three.

[@Malikstaking]

Imo if someone hates JJ reddick they only hate him because he doesn’t use media narratives to judge players and doesn’t just say a hot take just to say it like Kendrick Perkins and skip bayless does 😂

[@jrsmith5080]

Fr did you see him going after Perkins the other day for the ridiculous thing Perkins said

[@PastLifeVillian]

He literally does say hot takes when it comes to any players before 2010. Calling everyone plumbers is twitter hot take nonsense.

[@moneymoves263]

@@PastLifeVillian stop commenting this bs to everyone you cornball

[@jrsmith5080]

@@PastLifeVillian that's probably the only bad thing he does but I'd rather listen to him than most others

[@mikefrost5575]

Personally, I believe whole-heartedly that Skip is a professional troll, so he does get a pass in my opinion. Perkins on the other hand... that guy's just an idiot.

[@chidiebereiwe4680]

Larry BIRD being a better 3pt shooter than dame is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Plus I've been saying this, most of the greatest shooters of all time are playing right now 🤣

[@AstroSully]

They using 3 Point Contest won as a argument to why Bird is better tells you all you need to know lmao.

[@phillipbell4394]

​@@AstroSully what's insane too is that the 3 3pt contests he won also don't really compare to modern day contests either. His final round scores in 23, 16, and 17 respectively. Dame needed 26 to barely win it this year. We were clowing Randle for scoring 13 in the first round, and Bird literally made it to the second round in 87 on the same exact score. It's certainly a far cry from Curry dropping 31. I get that the 3 point line was new, but that's also exactly why Bird's 3pt shooting doesn't really compare to someone like a JJ or a Kyle Korver or even Tatum let alone your Currys or Dames or Klays or Ray Allens of the NBA world.

[@andrewreice7626]

Back then you only got one money ball per rack. Now you get a full rack of money balls which makes scores a lot higher.

[@andrewreice7626]

Actually that’s the only arguement. Back in the day, people actually cared about the all star game and the contests that weekend. People weren’t buddy buddy like they are now in the contest. Anyway, bird winning being undefeated in the contest shows that he was on of, if not the best three point shooter in his era. Bird was way above the league average three point percentage in his era. He averaged 37.9 during his career but in his last seven seasons he averaged over 40 once the league got more acclimated to the shot existing. When you look at league average three throw percent, it has basically stayed the same for the last fifty years. Three point percentage has increased a lot however because it so much more relevant now. If bird and those players in the 80s shot threes all the time, they would’ve had a better percentage. You don’t have to have him as a top five three point shooter but if you do it by how dominant of a three point shooter in your era, bird has to be in there. Personally I don’t think that the three point shot was relevant enough in birds era for him to be in the top five, even tho today he’d be prolly shooting close to 45 percent and averaging over 30 a game with the increased spacing and no hand checking.

[@phillipbell4394]

​@@andrewreice7626 that's fair, I didn't consider the additional moneyball rack, but even still there has been a ton of progression as far as 3 point shooting goes. In terms of significance Bird probably should make the top 10, but in terms of what JJ Redick was saying with percentage, volume and the larger evolution of shooting there really isn't that great of an argument for Bird being top 5, and maybe even top 10.

[@jahcode6132]

I don't always agree with JJ but he backs up his takes with stats while most analysts will just scream that they're right and how dare anyone disagree with them bc they either played or got a journalism degree.

[@oscarlobo8033]

And get even saltier at JJ because he did play, so that logic is void against him

[@siniister710]

@@oscarlobo8033 and played for a long fucking time too lol

[@MisterVicky9]

Ngl. JJ Reddicks offense is his defense. So his takes are valid

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

I think the old heads are trying to say “bird is a top five most IMPRESSIVE 3 shooter of all time” which isn’t a bad take, considering the three-point line was not a thing before he started his career and his long range shooting was pretty much pure natural born talent

[@geronimopratt7976]

Not by the numbers, that's an individual stat, be careful not to include the team numbers

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

@@geronimopratt7976 huh? I didn’t mention any stats or anything to do with a team. I’m just saying hypothetically, if everyone was untrained at 3s then bird might be the goat of it

[@aaryasharma4940]

@@geronimopratt7976 he never included team numbers, he just said if Bird was a great shooter in a trash 3 shooting era, he'd be the GOAT shooter in such a good 3 shooting era like our modern NBA era with better competition and training

[@kleptomania2631]

@@B00MR0ASt3D thats not accounting for the adjusted 3 point line tho

[@NewwxNeww]

If im correct, wasn’t JJ’s physicality point about how the perimeter defense was? Seems like everyone is kinda misconstruing his point

[@yuhhtempo]

Yes, and he made Mad Dog look ridiculous, Zeke, Stephen A, and whoever else trying to pretend like STEPH or any great 3PT shooters would be getting no buckets, pretending the defense was picking up 3PT shooters from 94 FT, and acting like guys like Mark Price (Literally has a game he played where i was like “did Curry steal EVERYTHING from him?”) or Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf didn’t exist. Its blasphemous, the shit they were doing back then, the “physicality” wasn’t basketball🤣

[@foxfairchild2458]

No he said SPECIFICALLY steph curry got more beat up getting chased around screens by fucking Marcus smart then Larry bird getting bowed in the fucking ribs at the 3 point line

[@whenisdinner2137]

No but it's still bullshit regardless because of hand-checking 😂

[@C6LD]

Saying JJ can’t talk about all time shooters is hilarious

[@MmaMadman85]

I feel like he left out the fact that not every team played like detroit or like how the lakers and celtics would get at it. These super intense wars that were going on back there stick in the minds of old heads as how the era was defined but it really wasn't. Not every game played was a fight.

[@mattmmixes]

80s games honestly played very similar to todays games but with less three point shooting. Pistons had a massive impact on the league which can be seen by a slowed down pace in the 90s and 2000s (Bulls helped seal the slow pace movement home tho)

[@jamalhaamid7771]

He mentioned that at 11:10, they were just talking over it

[@justcameron6805]

jj has said that before though

[@yuhhtempo]

These Old heads LOVE the “NBA has no defense” narrative because they can just lean on players who had high defensive motors like Stockton/Payton/Dumars then will bring up someone like a Dynamic scorer for today’s era like Doncic/Harden. What’s funny is that take is SO casual because if you go look at the League Avg PPG back in 1980-‘93 which was (105.3 The Lowest, 110.8 The Highest then you start to see the drop in PPG as it transitioned to a slower pace era) it’s literally comparable to 2008-‘18 (98.1 The Lowest, 106.3 The Highest), so that statement is literally just dumb. The pace reached 100 in the 2018-19 Season and the scoring increase happened then, in 2015 teams were scoring 100 PTS A GAME! Also I don’t think they really watch the playoffs which is even more ignorant when you’re trying to speak on the current game… Also for even more perspective THE PPG is 4 HIGHER CURRENTLY THAN WHEN MJ WAS DRAFTED & WHEN KAREEM & MAGIC/BIRD WERE DOMINATING THE LEAGUE, AND THEY SHOT LESS 3s THEN🤦🏾‍♂️

[@PastLifeVillian]

@@yuhhtempo NBA has no defense today, sorry

[@tarunganesg9700]

Like other people are saying in the comments, JJ is talking about defense for the 3 point line, which was mostly left wide open in the 80s and 90s. Now defending the perimeter has become equally or more important than defending the paint

[@siniister710]

facts, paint defense isn't as important if your perimeter dudes get blown by and kick out to open 3's all game

[@aaryasharma4940]

@@siniister710 it was different in the 80s and 90s as the 3 pt line was barely used by anyone except like Bird, Reggie Miller and Ray Allen (that too Reggie and Ray did it in the late 90s when all the elite defenders were old af). Nobody relied on the perimeter if you had the best defensive players in both the guards and forwards/centers categories and 3s weren't experienced much, if 3s were shot more back then we'd have better metrics to stop/limit 3 and perimeter play and coz it mostly relied on the mid range and paint they focused more there just like how current players focus more on the perimeter, you can't use the current gen's argument against a totally different era. It's just another what if scenario we shouldn't think much about coz if current players would be killing it on the perimeter then the older players would be owning the paint and mid range, it's tough to compare these eras when they're literal polar opposites and the players have a completely unique playing style

[@geronimopratt7976]

@@aaryasharma4940 take Bird out, he shot 3 threes per game

[@lil_ezz120]

Real shit JJ gon be the face of the nba analytics cause he gets the Moderna game but is old enough still to have seen some ogs play and he’s honest and uses facts can’t hate a guy like that

[@aaryasharma4940]

yeah but he uses that "he played against plumbers" argument too much, kinda the only big turn off for me, he's WAY better than other bozos like Perkins, Stephen A Smith, Skip and Nick Wright but sometimes he just uses the plumber argument too much and it seems inaccurate factually (coz I recall he did also say smth like MJ played with plumbers/much worse competition while MJ played in the best individual eras the 80s and 90s) I rock with him for most of the stuff tho. At least he's not like Skip, Stephen or Perkins with their mid takes

[@reaper_is_unavailable]

He says that JJ is basing his takes on comparing them to the modern era, but JJ was only doing that since Mad Dog was doing exactly that: comparing Larry Bird to the modern era. We can always argue that the Roman Empire was one of the greatest empires but if you put them against any modern superpower, they are getting wiped out. Also, JJ clearly said Larry Bird is one of the greatest 3-point shooters. He only clarified that it ain't top 5 though.

[@aaryasharma4940]

I mean the Roman Empire argument is kinda wrong itself coz any random empire would be a super power with modern weapons and science, just like how players like in the 70s, 80s and 90s had much worse training and healthcare facilities so they'd be much better with current training systems which are way more efficient and accurate while also being less exhausting

[@exgeeinteractive]

Your comparisons are way off. USSR will still wipe 3/4 of the nations on earth in this day and age. You really think you can just transport modern players in the 70's and get away with it? Heck, you can't even legally palm the ball in the early 80's, let alone the carrying rules.

[@tcj227]

Jj was talking about the physicality when it comes to shooting 3s. Just compare how physically demanding curry has to be to get open and get windows to shoot. Bird was not getting guarded physically around the 3

[@royjohnson1747]

But bird was physically being guarded when going into the paint

[@royjohnson1747]

Most nba players if your not name giannis, zion, ja morant or lebron don't attempt to go into the paint unless its open. Most players now games are more midrange or shootng from 3. 80s and 90s mostly in the paint or midrange shots Key words most not all

[@lewrl1]

@@royjohnson1747 yeah, in the paint. Not at the perimeter, which is what Reddick was saying.

[@travonteoatis-henderson457]

@@royjohnson1747 I can show you a 10 minute video of curry getting hard fouls I mean let's not act like those guys was getting stabbed in shot with a machete back then

[@TheIcemanthomas]

@@royjohnson1747 cap. Most players are NOT taking a mid range. And what do u mean when the lane is open? It’s ALWAYS open. The vast majority of shots occur at the basket or behind the arc.

[@SinggaSongg]

The thing about Cousy is that while his dibbling was primitive, his passing was decades ahead of his time. Go and look at Cousy passes, they are impressive even by today's standards. The wizardry wasn't in his raw technical skill, but rather his instincts and feel for the game. That's a thing that I think a lot of younger generations miss when they judge older generations. That feel for the game is what seperates guys like Luka/Jokic/Lebron from others today and that is what I think needs to appreciated about older guys like Cousy more. Not that Cousy was as good those guys, but there's still a lot to learn from guys like him

[@geronimopratt7976]

Pistol Pete's passing made people forget Bob Cousy. Now Cousy would be recognized as an innovator, but not top PG of all-time.

[@mr.kopdabest1572]

Can't hold a candle to the skill of today's players, it's just factual, and there's no point in debating it.

[@SinggaSongg]

Because today's players benefit from the 60 years of basketball and training development that happened since Cousy. Cousy was the very first real point guard, and I'm not saying he's IT or AI or Curry level, but those players learned to play based off the foundation that Cousy built. Just shitting on these old players is mad disrespectful to the culture. Btw only one player in NBA history has ever been a plumber, so JJ's characterization of old players is beyond disrespect and honestly shocking to hear from someone who is usually very level headed when talking basketball.

[@jaridatkinson4907]

Mad disrespectful lol they'll get it when the younger generation starts slandering theirs tho it's a cycle that just repeats

[@dime1012]

3pt line installing his rookie year is pretty insane giving it a mere second of thought. With that being said it’s very imaginable if he grew up in todays age where 3pters are everything and kids are training for that specifically from day 1 in the 4th grade now, he would certainly be a top 5 shooter amongst current players right now. Not better than Steph or Klay, but he’d be right up there fs.

[@jah__g]

But he wasn't. And that's what should be the argument. He was GOAT for his time. But this isn't his time.

[@suf1an658]

​@@jah__g there's probably a kid out there that all he does everyday is watch Steph highlights and shoot 3's in the park. One day he might go on to shoot the ball better than Steph, that doesn't make him the greater 3 point shooter. Being better doesn't mean being greater, I doubt there's anything anyone can do to become a greater 3 point shooter than Steph

[@93vibezz]

@@suf1an658 people said that about magic and Jordan even Larry and 20/30 years later we have Kobe lebron and durant who are very similar to bird magic and jordan

[@jah__g]

@@suf1an658 we can't see it now but I'm sure someone will surpass Steph. Just as Steph surpassed Miller, Allen, and yes even Bird, another player will be a better, greater, or whatever adjective you want to apply. It will take a while, but someone will. What does it take to surpass past players? We like to hold on to the greats and believe that they will always be considered the Convo no matter what happens but that's just not right. It's unfair to the future players who will double or triple their output have similar titles and awards all still be considered less than past players.

[@95yazid]

@@jah__g it's not about output it's about evolution, You can't judge everything by the output it doesn't mean much. Those who are engraved in history are the groundbreakers, the boundary pushers, the revolutionnaries of the game. I don't care that Kyle Korver shot more volume and more efficiency than Bird, who ever took a shot in his life thinking "I'm gonna be like Kyle Korver my man, the goat, so influencial" NOBODY (I'm throwing Kyle in there because I've seen him in most top 5 but could make the same argument for Ray Allen tbh). That's why they ought to be recognized through every era and playstyle imo that's what makes them ALL-TIME GREAT, the Currys, the Birds... this kind of influence is in another league than just being one of the most skilled at something. Now I agree with your take that someone will surpass Steph, but I don't think it will happen because of output, but because someone will evolve shooting even further PS : I know I exaggerate on the Korver take

[@Shiljamannn]

JJ is right about Bird... People take it as slander, bit it isn't. The guy just shot if he was open on the perimiter. But he is the pioneer of 3 point shooting. Also phisicality of the 80s didn't apply on perimiter defense... Players were getting beat up only if the go to the post and in the paint.... Perimiter was open most of the times, since there weren't many perimiter shooters at that time. No one can tell me Bird is better 3 point shooter than for example Kyle Korver or Peja Stojakovic, and these weren't superstars....

[@thedeagster5197]

Fax

[@laughingmanime4622]

And I agree with you about people trying to use Jordan or Bird as examples of the talent level of the entire league back then. Hopefully I made this quote up myself, "some of these old heads will try to use a just a few drops of paint to paint an entire canvas" -Me, hopefully

[@ithinkimanaries2620]

Great quote

[@NewWorldDreams47]

Nice 👏 I been saying similar for a long time. Just because there were a few great talents, doesn't mean that everyone in that era was on a comparable level. They just weren't. Players today are just way more skilled, old heads just never want to acknowledge it. I think it's crazy how people like JJ will get hate because they will call out these false narratives. They say he's disrespectful of the old gen, but will never admit to trashing today's players by saying they couldn't compete in the old era. Double standard asf

[@laughingmanime4622]

@@NewWorldDreams47 so many players back then couldn't even confidently dribble with both hands. Just on that alone they would not be given a second look by a D1 college team let alone an NBA team.

[@NewWorldDreams47]

@@laughingmanime4622 facts. It's really laughable for them to even think they could compete with the new gen. Some of them can forsure, but most wouldn't even qualify. All they got is "hard fouls" which just proves that they couldn't even stay in front of their man on defense. Even in street basketball everyone knows you're trash if you have to foul to get a stop 😂😂

[@aaryasharma4940]

@@NewWorldDreams47 honestly here both the parties are in the wrong, the older gen never had as many offensive talents like the current players, but defensively man they got guys like David Robinson, Hakeem, Mount Motumbo, Rodman, MJ, Pippen etc and there's only 2 guys who are even comparable to them and that's Kawhi and Draymond (probably Gobert too but he picks on shorter guys and he's getting destroyed recently by guys like Tatum) and even Draymond is more controversial with so much fouling and techs, the point never mentioned in these arguments is that yeah current gen has way better talents coz they had to limit defense and make it much tougher due to flopping and handing techs like gift cards on christmas, while also making offense easier it's evident enough by seeing a significant rise in ppg averages and matches reaching 140-150 pts like crazy (not to forget that Clippers vs Kings game which is the 2nd highest scoring NBA game in history when the teams aren't even the best offensive teams in the league) and players getting more FT attempts by flopping crazy, and I don't see the "hard and intentional fouling" argument much here rn (only by the delusional old heads which is like a minority from what I've seen of old heads so far) most of them make arguments like mine to prove how the NBA is making the league more offense and higher scoring games dedicated to gain more popularity and viewership

[@officialcapone4848]

The way these old heads talk bout ball in the 80s/90s made it seem like it was just some gladiator arena back then 😂😂

[@thedeagster5197]

It was tougher and if you look a some clips it was pretty close. I don't think it was happening as often they say it was tho.

[@officialcapone4848]

@@thedeagster5197 Sure without flagrant fouls the game was more physical. But some old heads be dragging it.

[@anddanny2263]

always love that this content is always ready for when i get home from work

[@2kolbe010]

If defense is clothes lining somebody, then i think we need to reevaluate on how defense is played.

[@theinktician]

3:33 Aye funny thing about this Sage, old heads still try to cancel his performance out by bringing up handchecking - even though JJ became the All-Time Leading Scorer at Duke DURING handchecking (and hadnchecking lasted all the way to 2012 in NCAA, but they don't know this)

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

In case you guys were wondering, there are 105 players in NBA history who have made more threes, than Larry Bird AND on a higher percentage. We still have to take bags and defense into account but of course that will also heavily favor more modern players so honestly even calling Bird top 50 from 3 is generous.

[@dragonvolt1875]

All of those flagrants are from layups not threes so that has nothing to do with what JJ was saying

[@yuhhtempo]

Exactly the dude from the video knew what he was doing

[@chinkyflahz]

well the zaza rule wasn't in effect so no landing space

[@boxamillion4248]

The point that JJ was making that both MAD dog and the OP missed was that just because they FOULED more flagrantly back then because it wasn’t frowned upon, the physicality is still similar in regards to holding and grabbing and setting screens and bodying people up. That hasn’t changed. It looks different Because a lot of the grabbing and stuff happens off ball with all the player movement now. Back then people didn’t move as much off the ball, they relied on getting the ball down low and the shooters would set on the open spots mid range and with the occasional three point shooter. It was all paint orientated and congested. But the physicality wasn’t all that different besides the few flagrant fouls. They weren’t clotheslining people every game like they want to make it seem

[@bigzed67.54]

he missed the. point on the physicality argument jj made it clear that outside of hard fouls and fighting the nba wasn’t as physical as legends make it seem

[@jojan715]

is that not a big difference in physicality tho ?

[@bigzed67.54]

@@jojan715 hard fouls and fighting is not basketball and that part of the game especially is over glorified by old heads when it came to playing actual defense it wasn’t much different

[@JosiahCS]

JJ Redick's opinion is more valid than 99.9999% of the basketball world as it is and on top of that he isn't disrespectful and uses facts to back up his opinions

[@KURSEDSOULS666]

JJ is a breath of fresh air he’s fun to watch

[@WhiteNegative]

So they were clotheslining them at the 3pt line? Cause all I see it making more difficult is scoring in the paint

[@thewriter8762]

This video pointed out that we are faulting Reggie Miller and Ray Allen, basically lumping them into those people who wouldn’t be in that top five, which not only where they brought up in that top 5 by JJ, they are consistently top 5 in everyone’s list. And to be real, it’s funny how he says Bird shouldn’t be held accountable for the 3 ball not being popular during his time. Yet if you look at Curry, no one was shooting that volume that often from that deep on a consistent basis. He made that a point. People give Larry his flowers as the greatest shooter but there is no excuse why he should be top 5.

[@cjmoss51]

On the Ray Allen point....Ray Allen literally got traded from the Bucks by George Karl for being a "jump shooter". Karl added some big dude (cant remember his name) to a team that made it to the playoffs and the new dude basically was in the media calling Allen a "jump shooter" like a slur. Its WILD the way the media and even other players and coaches hold a certain level of expectation of a player during their playing times and then retroactively call them a bum after the fact when a new generation of players out plays them. Thats what I think is happening in this convo about Bird.

[@JayTeeAyy]

It’s like you have to say something wild for people to give you attention and when you have that attention than you start speaking truthful

[@bradybimson9106]

It's ok to pay respect to the ogs while admitting that the current group of nba players are better. The game is improving and that's how it should be. JJs entire argument about physicality and shooting is about context. Most of Larry's shots on the outside were uncontested catch and shoot 3s or off down screens. Lillard and steph are taking off the dribble 3 pointers from 30 feet with defenders on them. That level of difficulty is so much harder. Also dame and steph wished the bill laimbeers of the 80s and 90s were playing today. Could you imagine Bill waiting in the paint for steph all game while he bombs 3s off the pick and roll? There's a reason traditional drop centers have become liabilities in the playoffs. Larry Bird is one of the goats, and it's ok to acknowledge that and that players like dame clear him in distance shooting. Like he said, it just wasn't like that back then, and that's ok.

[@bruhmoment6493]

Honestly I dont think a lot of players from older generations like 70s back could even get a roster spot on a modern team. You watch some of those games and it looks like a highschool PE scrimmage.

[@josephkim1454]

I need these youtubers to respond to Solz and Sage's reaction to their video for a rebuttal lool

[@chrisjoseph3883]

JJ specifically said “I’m not saying the Bird wasn’t one of the greatest SHOOTERS ever… he’s just not one of the greatest 3POINT shooters ever”…. Strictly 3s.. and he feels adamantly about this since he himself is one of the greatest 3 point shooters ever….

[@Kidkinsey]

That foul compilation is INSANE😭😭 but imagine Dwight lebron giannis embid etc playing dirty like they did in the 80s

[@ithinkimanaries2620]

There’s dudes that seriously think 6’9 260 lbs Lebron wouldn’t make it in the older eras. Insane

[@KaseyC.]

That part about physicality was taken way out of context was it not? JJ's point was that the paint was physical, but 3's were rarely even contested, nonetheless physical. Was that not his point originally and the guy just looked at near the rim jump shots and layups being hacked? Edit: also, 16:55, the ABA existed since 1967 and had a 3 point shot the entire time. You can't say for sure that Larry Bird wasn't trying to develop a 3 point shot because of the ABA, or that he didn't start developing it in '76 when the merger happened and then was a 3 point shooter by the time the NBA actually had a 3 point shot

[@Chickenpesto2468]

Physicality was different then moreboxing out you could hand check etc

[@donaldf9055]

Facts and this guy just trying TO COMPLETELY ignore that fact. If I hadn't watched the video I'll still think he's saying bs cause jj was low-key spitting and the guy he was arguing against high-key has brain tumor.

[@KaseyC.]

@@Chickenpesto2468 Yeah, and Larry Bird wasn't shooting when he had a guy boxing him out or hand checking him. JJ's whole point was "hey, man, lets go watch the tape and look at specifically the 3's Bird was taking and look at how close his defender was." Idgaf how contested the middies were if he was only shooting catch and shoot wide open corner 3s when we're talking about the GOAT 3 point shooters.

[@Batman-qo6wb]

Just subscribed you guys are a great duo and funny as hell 😂

[@xslayer1222]

Nothing said in the video by Jonny actually tackles what JJ always said His point was that the physicality was in the fouling, and he didn't discredit that, but he also points out how players get more open more often and easier on the perimeter back then All the clips about the physicality shown are literally flagrants on layups and close shots, which was besides JJ's point

[@Jmelly99]

Also back then whenever they shot threes they were wide open most of the time. Today people like dame and Tatum rarely get open threes. They are just good enough to make contested ones. Not saying people back then couldn’t make contested threes but they took more open ones because the defense was focused more on stopping points in the paint

[@jacoblowenberg2160]

Not disrespect but i think u pulled this out of your ass. Like bro do you only watch the highlights? Cause with better shooters shooting farther and farther away, it gives the chance for more dribble penetration which then brings the helpside defense over. This sequence results in a wide open three. The court has opened up more and stretched out. In todays era, players are better overall shooters from three and superstars are getting proficient at shooting from longer and longer distances. It isnt that players are becoming better contested shooters because you have to be a good contested shooter to get into the leage, it is that players are shooting from farther.

[@lamargettens2370]

It out was a inside outside game back then

[@jordanford9320]

"maybe he got popcorn muscles idk" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ankhboldcrain9954]

The 2 comments I have is first Bird shot pretty much the same amount of 3s individually that teams were taking as a whole and shooting 37% while league average was about 30%, and second eras especially like the 60s were significantly harder to play in because of the different rules, like put kyrie or steph in that era and half of the shit they do know when dribbling is illegal, not to mention the fact that injuries were significantly more damaging at that time because of worse medicine and technology and athletes were much more durable.

[@shamwaw336]

Good points about regarding the need for context of Larry Birds. But, it needs to be said that these contexts gives us reasons to why Larry is what he was, NOT an excuse. It would be preferable to say that Larry's time just didn't let him to be the best 3pt version of himself. However, potential and what ifs should never supersede the now and actuals because we have no proof that it would be perfectly translate. Just like the assumption that kyries handles wouldn't translate to ball handling rules of the 60s

[@ankhboldcrain9954]

@@shamwaw336 the bird one I get but we know Kyrie wouldn't be able to do most of his moves because of the rules in the 60s, he couldn't dribble from the side of the ball it had to be directly above and they were significantly more strict about travels and carries and shit.

[@shamwaw336]

@Ankhbold Crain Very true, Kyrie wouldn't be able to do what he does with 60s rules, which is why people can and would assume he can't dominate the 60s with his ball handling. Given these assumption, the question should be, who dominated the 60s with their ball handling and can Kyrie be able to replicate their moves instead given the time and opportunity to adjust

[@ankhboldcrain9954]

@@shamwaw336 yeah but that applies to everyone, like given time and especially if they grow up in the era players will adjust, like Steve Kerr would've been JJ Reddick if he had just been born a decade or two later. The bigger question is how many players now would've actually went into the league then because it wasn't profitable and wasn't something they were groomed for at a young age like they are now. Also players like curry would've been out in a year or two due to injuries because back then ankle injuries or pretty much any severe injury was a death sentence for your career.

[@shamwaw336]

@Ankhbold Crain that's a good point. It just goes to show how these conversations rely too much on hypotheticals. People cant accept or appreciate that greatness of different eras can only be felt if you see them at their time. That's why I loved Ben Taylor's (Thinking Basketball) greatest peaks series. It's just a joy to see how great players made the most of their time and how they influence the game

[@stivstilianos980]

Here is my answer to those who say that Bill Russell 's achievements don't count because he played against "plumbers" . Bill Russell played great games against Wilt , Wilt played great games against Kareem , Kareem played great games against Larry Bird , Larry Bird played great games against Jordan , Jordan played great games against Kobe , Kobe played great games against LeBron and LeBron is playing great games against today's young stars . So doesn't that ,directly or indirectly , prove that Bill Russell and any great player from the 60's and onwards would have been great even in today's game ?

[@ThisDude234]

Holy shit, I never thought I would see y'all react to a Johnny Arnett video, lessggooooooo

[@mattmmixes]

I hope they do more channels under 200k subs in the future, helps the small guy grow!

[@ThisDude234]

​@@mattmmixes amen. I'm hoping and praying for an NBA Storyteller reaction

[@Aradim90]

I don't understand why the "volume" argument JJ is using being wrong is so hard to understand, if Curry attempts 10 threes and makes 5, and Bird attempts 4 and makes 2, it's still 50%, what does it matter who shot more? Bird attempted fewer threes simply because in the era he played people played in the paint, but if his % is still up there (particularly his playoff % since he's the best playoff 3pt shooter ever), are we going to invalidate his greatness simply because the system he played in didn't allow a large volume of three point attempts? IMO the real argument they should have been making is that in this era the 3pt line would be better guarded considering how important the three is now, but then Bird was often double teamed (particularly if McHale wasn't playing), so that argument really goes out the window too.

[@Nightmare-we8vm]

When everyone shows footage of the hard fouls, it doesn't really address JJ's point. What he said was they fouled harder, but the general physicality was the same.

[@95yazid]

Idk to me it feels like arguing that Bird isn't in the GOAT 3pt shooter conversation because everybody is shooting more 3s nowadays is like saying Einstein isn't one of the greatest physicist of All Time because every physicist of our time knows more about relativity than he ever did

[@DavidBrown-wm1xz]

I’m glad somebody gets it. The 3pt today is the way it is in large part to Larry

[@Chickenpesto2468]

My only problem with jj is he never ever will say anything negatively about any players today but has no problem saying it about other guys from before. I just feel like he was maybe called a soft new age player and he's taking it out on others

[@KaineTremaine]

He was traffic cone shooting guard with bad handles.. He needed the NBA to go soft, small-ball, 3 point jacking just to get playing time. Originally He was a bust

[@Recurses]

​@Ken S. What a dumbass take he was one of the best 3pt shooters in the league before curry changed the game

[@lowkeygaming6399]

Love watching the vids at work so great

[@sebfinnigan1484]

Physicality on the three point line was what JJ was specifying, there wasn't much physicality on the three point line at the time in which Bird played, also he drops in the playoffs crazy in his 3p%

[@ianreed9638]

Old head will say it's physical coz of handchecks but this era were great at foul baiting handchecks wouldn't be that much effective coz if you stick your hand out you'll probably get tangled up a get a personal foul on you on a shooting act..

[@ianreed9638]

Not saying this era is better but current players can exploit on some aspect of the game during 80's and 90's and you can also say the same thing with the player of 80's and 90's on this era..

[@sebfinnigan1484]

@@ianreed9638 True, I think the players ability to make the refs make a tough call has also made a drastic difference in the league. Handchecking isn't even close to being the most impoactful part of the 90s defenses. It was the defensive 3 sec. There was no limit in time you were allowed to spend in the paint. So if someone were to drive, odds are (since the bigs couldn't shoot) you'd have somebody like a Hakeem or Mutombo in the paint waiting to block a shot off the glass

[@jupiterjazz2805]

How y’all gonna validate JJ Reddick after completely blackballing Zion for no reason because he needed something controversial to say?

[@amf0078]

JJ was speaking nothing but facts in that first clip and the guy making the video is clearly a hater. 😂

[@kylejohnson4615]

The fact that people are acting like this JJ Reddick take is controversial is insane to me. Like, JJ REDDICK IS A BETTER 3PT SHOOTER THAN BIRD lets not cap

[@GOAT71]

He showed some clips of bird getting slapped around but there are also clips of bird going easy to the basket not get hit.

[@Augrills]

Well, yeah, you don’t want to risk a foul unless the game is close

[@aethan-dor102]

If you have people shooting 40% and 90 from the arc it doesn't matter much if you are guarding that well in the paint. If anything, they will take more threes, make more of them and if they go for a layup or dunk, they will make the free throws almost every time....

[@abrahamhorowitz8374]

Honestly, the only guy from the old days I know for sure would have a game that fits easily in today's game is Pistol Pete Maravitch. He was well known for routinely taking long rang shots. It would be next to impossible to give anything resembling a fair take on what his 3 point shooting in his prime would've been since the 3 point line was not introduced till the last year of his career. Even still, he shot an insane 63 6% from 3 that season. The caviot here is, however, that this was an extremely small sample sizes as he was 18 of 28 attempts of the course of the 79-80 season. You could try to extrapolate this by figuring out what percentage of his shots that year were from 3 and applying it to the rest of his career, but that would be flawed, as he was a shell of his prime self by this time due to injuries. Noting his averages tick up as his volume increases when getting to his best season, the trend would suggest a higher percentage of shots at the rim than in the loan season he played with a 3 point line. With that in mind applying this ro just his highest scoring season, his season totals would be 36 of 57 attempts which does not begin to even touch the volume of today. Bottom line, every generation of basketball has a characteristic or two that made it unique and great, and it's just not a fair comparison to make between modern players and guys who played in the 1980s or further back since the game and specific talents gave changed emencely over the years.

[@dickthehead1145]

When refs stopped giving Harden his phantom fouls for the first 2 months of last season he was straight washed. Those are the players which aren't gonna make it in any other era. Obviously players like lebron and kawhi would be fine. But players Harden whose entire style is to jerk their bodies in unnatural ways to draw fouls or the players like Jordan Poole and the many other players whose handles are illegal by todays standards are not succeeding to the level they do in todays league

[@theinktician]

17:06 The NCAA didn't implement the 3pt line until 1986. All this does is help the case of players like Reggie Miller, Marke Price and Dale Ellis since they didn't practice the 3 until they got to the NBA (or, in an ideal world, their LAST year in college - judging by their 1st year shooting % they didn't)

[@Bigedub101]

Exactly

[@wasdrankings1518]

My issue with the original video is what does the physicality in the paint gotta do with 3 point shooting

[@alexpickering735]

Jj the best thing to happen. Hes the only one that calls out the bullshit on the talk shows

[@notimportant3686]

yeah reddick is way off on this one which is surprising because he usually understands context... and the context is that bird, in his shortened career... shot better than 40% from 3pt line like 5 or 6 years in the time when the three point line JUST STARTED... he didn't have hundreds of thousands of reps doing it since childhood because it simply wasn't a thing yet... it only started to be a part of the game in 1980 i believe and bird admitted that they didn't even PRACTICE 3s in the beginning...meaning his natural shooting ability was already incredible... think about it... the nba is absolutely OBSSESSED with the 3 now, that's literally the entire game, guys will set picks AT ALMOST HALF COURT just to get an open 3 for a shooter coming off the screen... that wasn't even IMAGINED back then... nobody is picking a defender off to get you u that open 3 back then.... and even NOW the mark of a good 3pt shooter is shooting over 40%... i mean, larry created the 50/40/90 club and it has almost never been done since... and guys TRY TO DO IT... they know it's a thing and an achievement.... he did in the natural course of play, it wasn't a thing until he did it jj is way off... if you look at the appropriate context, larry was a ridiculous 3pt shooter ... let's put it this way, if he was entering the nba now having been born in the 2000s, he might be the first 50% 3pt shooter to do it year after year... i don't think people understand what it means to be the first to be doing things vs having the knowledge and wisdom of having seen decades of it and knowing what to do from OTHERS' experience

[@RoccoDurant]

JJ Legit Has The Best Takes And He Is Unbiased 😂😂

[@yuhhtempo]

I agree his takes are great but he does show a little bias to where he’s not as harsh on the Current Era of Basketball

[@PastLifeVillian]

He is incredibly biased towards modern basketball lol

[@arishoriko4482]

@@PastLifeVillian not really. JJ just saying facts.

[@gardenpop]

To add on we must remember that the Illegal defense rules were a thing till SHAQ

[@TS0ciety]

Wait, also are we not taking into account that defending the three point shot is more heavily emphasized in the current game?

[@isofreezy3286]

Old heads looked at the thumbnail and started clutching their chest

[@drebeck7897]

He’s got away from the point the original point was that Larry bird is one of the greatest shooters of all time but all the footage the players are driving but for a drive to be open the perimeter has to be open and the threes are shown are wide open

[@BLee09]

The man tried to use physicality as a reason why bird is a top 5 3pt shooter. Like players were getting knocked out of the air whenever they attempted a 3 wtf

[@IrvingDL506]

I miss the good old days when Solz actually came up with content himself, I think I can understand why he does it like this, cause shit prolly trends more and that could be taken as more views, according to logic but man just 'reacting' to someone else content is not as a great as it was him making the content and coming up with his own logic and analysis cause Solz was one of the best out there in doing so, he ahd good solid arguments and very logical ones when he did his thing, maybe someday he'll be back to creating his own content and having Sage there with him to have a second opinion could, could be, a winning formula but I guess there's a chance this format is less time consuming for him since he in college or sum

[@DLKnightstick1989]

Larry Bird's 37.58% career 3-point percentage makes him the 176th greatest NBA 3-point shooter of all-time. I don't think that'd be considered "one of the greatest." JJ made a simple argument, was correct, and everyone is butthurt about it because it involved some perceived slander towards an NBA legend. However, nothing JJ said takes away from Bird in any way. It was all simple facts. With or without considering volume, Bird is still not one of the greatest at this particular skill. Fact.

[@jaded9234]

First, there is a video of Bird, INTENTIONALLY making a "logo shot", he actually was known to do them to get his team out of practice on weekends. Addressing Solz's question about current players, "what do they need to do to be a greater all-time 3-point shooter than Larry Bird?", I'd say that the biggest objective they would have to meet is to make an impact as big, or greater, than Bird's was on the game itself. Bird basically established the entire blueprint for how a "Shooter" would be judged after the 3-point shot was introduced into the NBA. For instance, Bird FOUNDED the "50/40/90 club", no matter if your percentages are higher, in that club, you are still in the "Bird House". IF... a player were to make an entirely different "club", that would be a BIG start. Even then, Curry will likely be talked about and respected the same way Bird is once he retires and we have his entire legacy to look over. As for Cousy's "Houdini" title? 'originating' a feat is the hardest thing to do. Once you KNOW that something can be done practically, the hesitation disappears and other players are free to build on it. With that said, I think Cousy deserves that distinction for his willingness to break down the initial hurdles and clear the way for future players. Many of today's players, like every other player of the past, will get the respect they deserve ONCE they retire. Only the most DOMINANT players see any form of that respect while they are still playing. The 90s players got disrespected by previous generations when they were still playing, so did the 80s, 70s, so on and so on... That's just how it is. Nothing to get hung up on. This generation has such a DEEP talent pool, they'll be fine when they are looked back upon. Curry, Luka, Jokic, Lebron, KD, every single player from this era that is worth something will get their respect once their respective legacies are finished. The world NBA's restrictive rules held back undeniably great players and that THIS generation's players are just as awesome as any other generation's "earth-shakers". ("Micheal Jo Bird" gang, representing from the midwest) EDIT: Whoever just "liked" my comment, I was in the middle of adding the top sentence when I got your notification.

[@Moonsaltz]

Bro. Thats a bad take

[@jaded9234]

@@Moonsaltz Which and why?

[@Moonsaltz]

@@jaded9234 Idk how having a “impact” has anything to do with their 3pt statistics being better. Why can’t people concede that regardless of why the eras are different and thats not the current player’s fault & not even Larry’s but the stats don’t lie & he just can’t have an argument for the top 10 best 3pt shooters of all time with that. Nobody’s saying he wasn’t a great 3pt shooter.

[@T.H.E.O.R.Y.]

​@Josh Smith, it wasn't. Thanks for the nuanced rebuttal, which the other guy clearly lacked.

[@jaded9234]

@@Moonsaltz His question was "what do they need to do to be a greater all-time 3-point shooter than Larry Bird?" "Greater" is the keyword here. For instance, to use an older example, Wilt Chambelain was, objectively, a "Better" basketball player than Bill Russel, but, Bill Russel was a "Greater" player than Wilt. "Greatness" leans toward legacy, the memory of that player, what effect they had on the game, THEN, you consider their accolades. Actual ability as a player can be shown, but as we can see, the impressions of a player depend on far more than simple statistics. I'm not trying to argue for or against anyone here, I'm just simply trying to give an answer to what I think would make everyday people say the names of modern greats in the same breath as old legends and the Legacy is perhaps the most important factor there.

[@classyredneckcinema9327]

JJ wasn't a scrub either from 2012 to 2020 averaged 16 points a game

[@swisherodocus314]

JJ always has good takes from what I’ve seen and really if he wasn’t on there I wouldn’t be able to watch first take. U always need one guy to keep everyone in the right plane

[@rrichmond14]

He's bias towards this era

[@henrythegolden9456]

​@@rrichmond14 just like old head's are to there era

[@rrichmond14]

@@henrythegolden9456 Agree. But everyone acts like his takes are always spot on. It's clear he want favoritism with modern players.

[@swisherodocus314]

@@rrichmond14 because they are better

[@rrichmond14]

@@swisherodocus314 good one

[@mambamike5627]

JJ has definitely become one of my favorite personalities in the scene and he truly respects MY PERSONAL takes so we riding with him fr

[@williamblackfyre4866]

I dont think anyone ever said Giannis would die in the 80s, he's a monster. Someone like Durant who is skeleton thin and injury prone? Maybe. People's change up when they get hit, you see it all the time in football and hockey when a physical team goes up against a finese team. It just changes how you play after you hit the floor hard a couple times.

[@kendreviusclincy4377]

This is how I put it great players will all be great no matter the time, and to be fair Kevin Durant would probably be greater in the 80s that damn pull up and the fact the man has like 7’6 wingspan csnt no one block that jumper in any era , he 3 point % would most likely sky rocket because no one was guarding the 3 point line, it’s just hard to say because the play style is different, but I always said this the top talent of any era matches, mj labron magic bird kd curry Kobe shaq wilt Russell great players are just great it’s that simple

[@Nightcrawler90210]

Charles Oakley said Gianni’s would “get his head knocked off” in the 80 90s 😂

[@andrewmays8990]

@@Nightcrawler90210 No he did not he simply stated what many people say. What was acceptable style of play back then would not allow them to be as prominent as they are now.

[@2kolbe010]

@@andrewmays8990 who stopping giannis running faster than some guards ? He wont average 32 a fame but he will be more physically imposing.

[@torpedospurs]

Oakley did, and he's silly. Giannis is basically David Robinson with an attitude and Robinson dominated in the 90s.

[@MrNoSubscribes]

Bro made a whole video on JJs comment and completely avoided his comment. Bro doing semantics.

[@wyddmatt]

First

[@kym6479]

Y’all should do a Bob Cousy bag video lmaooo

[@awesomereviews1561]

Shooting 3’s against handcheck defense is a lot harder. And in his era, JJ played against twitch streamers and podcasters… Plumbers are scarier.

[@d4ri6iovanna99]

Twitch streamers and podcasters are more skilled

[@Bogzkitiya]

Only in the NBA where we diss legends.

[@sethcherry1527]

Bringing up finals percentage vs the 33% for the playoffs as a whole is nasty

[@terrootti]

There is difference between the "greatest" and the "best" and it's very important. That nuance needs to be accounted for when someone talking about top players. Relativity is super important

[@djhasta5031]

JJ Reddick is the grown man in the room. When there's people who are too old, too young, too "media", JJ is there to set shit back to reality.

[@babywizardkelly166]

The guy made one good point on the 80’s for 10am a and yall stopped for 3 minutes 😂😂😂this is good😂

[@Alexkiddism]

The mentality of the older generations is different. Flopping was generally looked down upon to the point of contempt. Nowadays, flopping is considered bag contents. Not to mention the ‘gather step’ which allows mad travels. I’m talking Gullivers “giant steps for mankind” travels. Back in the day they wouldn’t travel in the dunk contest. Think about that. The dunk contest. Comparing 80s/90s basketball to today’s basketball is like comparing Eddie Murphy’s Raw/Delirious to Ben Shapiro. It’s less offensive but more entertaining.

[@quadavis4]

I just hate that he constantly disrespects past generations of players, knowing his ass would just be a role player in any generation except the 50’s 😂

[@comebackkid5976]

A truly great player would adjust their game to fit any era

[@kendricbaines2415]

Just because you can get away with more things doesn’t mean every player did those things it’s not like a hockey match . I’ve seen those games they overhype the physically because of the flopping deal

[@brysonking56]

LET THEM COOK 👨🏼‍🍳🔥

[@crippledepre9539]

Love the Payton Pritchard shout out. Let’s go pushin P !

[@donshadowman4747]

At this point, we have to change the argument from Greatest Of All Time, to Greatest Of The Era, otherwise these conversations will never end.

[@guyrosteelers]

I have to agree with the dude making the video. Larry had to learn the 3 point shot while in the league and became fantastic at it as the years went on

[@Julian-fy6si]

This is the only channel where I just stop whatever I’m doing and come over here when a noti pops up

[@destroyer5689]

Keep JJ up there we need more JJ redicks in the media

[@markgilbertjr413]

He was talking about physicality in reference to 3 point shooting. It’s weird that Jonny left that out 🤨

[@martophrenia]

I hate the discourse around JJ, he didn't say anything offensive, but the stubborn oldheads (who by the way shit on current nba CONSTANTLY) are getting butthurted over mildly critics?? Who's soft and sensitive now?

[@Lexyboogie]

They never bring up illegal defense whenever they have these conversations.

[@AnikethBandi]

Relativity can really only be used in goat talks because greatness is relative. In terms of pure skill it means nothing.