"People Just Want Their Taxes DOWN And Service To WORK!" | Benedict Spence On NI Rise

Darren Jones, chief secretary to the Treasury, opened the door to an increase to employers’ national insurance contributions, the tax paid by bosses on their workers’ salaries.
“We will have to consider some tax measures at the budget on October 30th whilst honouring that promise to the public not to increase income tax, employee National Insurance or VAT,” Mr Jones told Times Radio.
Talk's Mike Graham is joined by political commentator Benedict Spence to discuss further.
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[@user-cs1dt2xw4c]

This country has been destroyed by politicians. I detest all of them

[@chrismoss8409]

Not politicians but ex lawyers who are politicians and civil servants

[@Clare0116]

They were all obeying orders from their WEF masters and now Tony Blair, disgraced ex UK Prime Minister, now President of the WEF!

[@m0o0n0i0r]

the country voted for them, be pragmatic, look after yourself. I got hit in 2008 as they bailed out the banks and my savings interest rates collapsed. I will never make that mistake again.

[@dragonfly6908]

Either Politicians are totally inept or the mess that they have created is deliberate. 😮

[@collier8931]

Absolutely. They are traitors to the workers of Britain.

[@marumaru6084]

Why work hard to fund the civil servants and illegal immigrants?

[@keegan773]

Nice to see where the pensioners winter fuel allowance is going.

[@stuartregan1627]

End Gold plated Public pensions now .

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

@@keegan773 .......EXACTLY. We are not blind, or stupid, or deaf.

[@daveslater309]

DO NOT give the border force a pay rise. We want that ferry service on strike!

[@streaky81]

Yeah, if the Border Farce go on strike we'll literally have _less_ illegal immigration.

[@cindyfaulkner5725]

The problem is they will use the RNLI more which is paid for by charity donations and are all voluteers.

[@Hermantrueman]

Don't give to charities anymore Google how much the CEO of the charity earns you will be shocked ​@@cindyfaulkner5725

[@robertwalker1742]

I’m 68 and have never known a more out of touch group of leaders or so called leaders of Labour or any other party, spending money they don’t have and robbing OAPs, disgusting.

[@Andrew-tx9jy]

They're stopping the fuel allowance going to wealthy pensioners, hardly robbing. Also look at the good news for a change. The pound is at a two year high against the dollar, prices are at their lowest in 3 years and Sir Keir is about to negotiate a massive trade deal with the Germans so be thankful and rejoice that the adults are now in charge of things...

[@danielrawlings8355]

Where's the NHS dentists the British electorate were promised by Labour in the 1990s?

[@steveb3060]

Many are retired on a massive tax payer funded inflation proof pension.

[@danielrawlings8355]

@@steveb3060 Indeed.

[@marterlew]

Going to a private dentist. Hosiptal etc is so much quicker

[@danielrawlings8355]

@@marterlew You're letting the Government get away with tax payer funded incompetence & ineptitude.

[@andrewharrison7767]

mostly gone private because nhs wasn't covering costs of treatments

[@josepontes3849]

The is a mother that received a letter from gov. Saying that they letting her sons murder out early .the first insult was he was jailed for less than 3 years . Now he is going to be out in 3 weeks time . What the hell is going on .i think it is safer to be inprison then out .is this gov. Gone mad.

[@pkkerley6028]

Yep batshit crazy

[@jameskirk578]

To clarify your point about civil disobedience. White people can't be allowed to carry out civil disobedience but every other race can. So, if others can, why can't Brits?

[@MarilynMansonisinnocentERWlied]

That is THE question.

[@Clare0116]

'Civil disobedience' is a euphemism for violent and destructive riots! British taxpayers are charged for cleanup and vehicle replacement/ rebuilding costs! The Gov should allow peaceful protests like the Freedom March but they want to silence everyone who protests about their loss of rights etc.

[@craigrothwell6144]

Who are these Brits you speak of?

[@JustAUsername-i5l]

There are plenty of forms of civil disobedience that dont require you to destroy infrastructure and burn things to the ground. Its your own fault for picking the most violent and self defeating recourse as a first option.

[@DhimmiQuimStarmer]

Then civil disobedience will have to be clandestine.

[@MJ-YT-USR]

Well over £1-trillion spent on bailing out the BANKS and on COVID. £1-trillion would pay for 20,000 x £50-million projects. Just think how many hospitals, prisons, schools etc. that would have paid for. That more than anything else is why we're in the mess we are.

[@stumac869]

The Labour government bailed out the banks because it was their fiscal policy and Bank of England monetary policy that helped create the problem in the first place.

[@rishiyanvarsha]

Your deluded if you think the government shouldn't have spent during covid

[@theant9821]

​@@rishiyanvarshawe should have carried on as normal, not every country locked down not every country demonstrated they have a police state and some of those countries a better job than Britain despite keeping business as usual during covid. Like Sweden for example.

[@davideyres955]

@@theant9821hindsight is a wonderful thing. At the time they didn’t know if hospital admissions would cripple the nhs. You could have seen the same situation that was seen in the Spanish flu epidemic. You can’t compare countries after the event.

[@MerovingianQBee]

"People Just Want Their Taxes DOWN And Service To WORK!" This sentence is a problem in its self. As a nation the people shouldn't be just wanting to get by, we should be demanding an acceptable standard of living. Why would you just want the basics, that is already defeatist servitude. The problem comes from bad management, FIAT currency, Theft, Money printing, etc. The wages stayed the same, whilst everything else went up. Squeezed into excepting an artificially poorer standard of living. Its all a crock.

[@m0o0n0i0r]

the nation gets the politicial class it votes for. not saying you are wrong, but do you think the average voter knows what how fiat currency, QE and ZIRP has wrecked the country? and do you think they are even able to connect the dots?

[@JohnSmith-oe4ci]

we're heading for £3 trillion national debt - taxes ain't going down !

[@michaelvoisey8458]

Roll on 2029 when we can sack Labour I am 70 I hope the good lord will let me reach 75 so I can help vote them out . This must be the worst Labour Government since Ramsey Macdonald in the 1920s/30s God Help US

[@manselwilliams2663]

1970s all over again 😂😂😂

[@peteraston4753]

1960,s when the unions tried to break harold wilson,s goverment crackdown on wage increases

[@clovermark39]

Labour aLways been run by Unions.

[@crowdpleaser10]

Not quite, back in the 1970s we had immigration at manageable levels and if someone had rowed a dinghy from France to Britain, Roy Castle and Ross & Norris McWhirter would have been there with TV cameras to meet them.

[@theinngu5560]

Worse…much worse to come.

[@bernardlandymore7372]

@@theinngu5560 10 x ,they are just warming up.

[@stephanosuk78]

It took just a couple of months to get back to the bad old days of Labour. Taxes up, strikes, massive public sector pay rises and social unrest. Blair had a war chest to spaff away. Terrifyingly, Starlim has a deficit.

[@juliaogara8794]

I was public sector in education and got 1% several times. 1% of not a lit is not a lot. Was maths faculty. Don't get me wrong I'm not advocating for huge rises for some workers. We all know that some are on very good wages however, they're insisting on even more.

[@stephanosuk78]

@juliaogara8794 I worked in the private sector for companies literally making billions and went multiple years with 0%. Wages in the UK have stagnated for the last 20 years. Only the public sector gets to pretend that's not a thing. Sure 22% here 4 day week there, why not... oh, and for services that are collapsing.

[@originalshadowfax]

Blair is still around and sitting on Starmer shoulder whispering sweet nothings into his ear

[@BlackGriffin195]

People don't like taxes. People really hate taxes when they see the cash being splurged on foreigners.

[@lindapride8864]

😂 the labour 🤡 party. As I predict. Our country will be bankrupt by Christmas!

[@garyowen4112]

we are already bankrupt

[@markmcbride678]

The tories have already bankrupt the country 😂😂😂😂

[@Andrew-dm8mk]

Yet not as much of a 🤡party compared to the 🤡Party that was in power for the last 14 years of Nothing except enrich their cronies and their backers 🤦‍♂️Oh Dear!

[@theant9821]

​@@markmcbride678we've been bankrupt since 1914, we've just spent 110 years looking the other way.

[@RobertWilson-os1pl]

I am 70 years worst the countrys ever been

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

............as bad as Liebor was in the 1970's WITH ALL THE COAL-MINER-STRIKES..........and us sitting freezing cold b.c. there was NO HEATING DUE TO THOSE STRIKES. Even the short-sighted-dopey Strikers can't see further than their noses b.c. THEY TOO HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THEIR LIEBOR WORKERS WAGE RISES.

[@BlackGriffin195]

When an English person answers a telephone enquiry, it takes two minutes. When Johnny Foreigner answers the 'phone it takes six minutes, neither side understands the other, and the enquiry fails. That's productivity!

[@Johncar-ti1fj]

The UK never recovered fully from the last Financial Crisis when Blair and Brown were in charge,

[@mikeh692]

I can only hope that train drivers and other greedy ‘workers’ end up in some new super tax bracket and end up with less money in their pockets AFTER their pay rise and it’s THEIR OWN fault

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

That will be the plan from Labour more tax, but it’s more likely to be for the lower paid workers.

[@KierStalin]

It's not "greed." Inflation is a tax by the government when they devalue your money by inflating the supply. They're just trying to get the same purchasing power they had a year ago.

[@danielfisher6501]

Can you imagine if a normal person was in debt and his bright idea was to borrow more to try to get himself out of his financial situation.

[@AlunThomas-mp5qo]

Yes I can, they would be declared bankrupt and their debit cards etc cancelled.

[@DaveyL1954]

A train driver will be on £80k a year doing a 4 day week. I, however will not receive my cold weather payment because Reeves has robbed it from us. Perhaps Guy Fawkes had a point.

[@garyoneill545]

You're talking about people who've Never had a real job..They Know nothing about paying bills and surviving.But they still get voted in Now that's Madness.

[@m0o0n0i0r]

you could say that about most of the country as they clap for the NHS, take furlough money and put pressure on government to lockdown without thinking about the economic risks over it.

[@Wasssssup-3]

SACK THE GOVERMENT ! We pay their wages

[@m0o0n0i0r]

only the king can do that

[@Wasssssup-3]

@@m0o0n0i0r well its about time he did something for his people instead of travelling all over the world and having dinner parties

[@jasonbuksh2958]

We can do that in 5 years time

[@iaindennis3321]

Visualise our £2.8 trillion debt - imagine 2,800,000 £1 coins, for each of those coins we are £1,000,000 in debt - our government is insane

[@keegan773]

Same old, same old under Labour. Very busy spending other people’s money.

[@ieuansymmonds6967]

This country is truly finished now 😢

[@m0o0n0i0r]

you only just relaising? country was finished abuout 3 decades ago. 2008 bank bailouts put the last nail in the coffin

[@BrainfromSpain]

How long before motorists will have to have a man with a red flag walking in front of the car? I love progress !

[@jt8083]

Its a real shame that the government doesn't put as much effort into creating growth as it does finding new taxes. Because the situation were in now...its the only way out for the population. We have to get richer as a country. Not find ways to tax the money that has already been taxed.

[@jasonbuksh2958]

Creating new taxes/laws are easy …. Creating an environment in which growth happens is harder and more abstract

[@Coyb1866]

They were all smiles on the first day round the cabinet table, not so much now. I think they thought it was going to be a doddle😅

[@trevorburfitt2820]

Who Voted For The Unions To Run The Country This Government Is The Weakest Ever

[@YakovShani]

He who votes Labour votes for the Unions to run the country. Commies galore.

[@DorsetPropertyTV]

We are absolutely screwed!

[@stevewilcock4767]

Don't know that one. You hum it I'll play it.

[@davidfoster2006]

The public sector pension liabilities are about the same as a single years GDP of the entire United Kingdom, as well as the public sector workers having an above inflation pay rise, so this is of no surprise.

[@juliaogara8794]

However, we got 1% rises at times. If you work park time in a school on support side, (HLTA status). You're expected to work as a teacher but not get anywhere near the same wage. As a term time only contract, it gives the benefits of equal pay across the year but obviously lower per month pro rota. I do agree about the pension side as you get a lump sum and a pension if been in a scheme for many years. There is significant imperfections in the running and organising of every investment/payout scheme.

[@ninjanoodle0944]

Has no one learned what happened in California when they demanded 20 dollars an hour? Everything went up.

[@ians512]

Politicians are completely out of touch with realities which working people face. When they are made to live that life, only then will things change.

[@denishoulan1491]

Same old Labour !

[@bowjana8128]

No incentive to work anymore either why work hard to fund people who have contributed nothing to sit in warm hotels

[@chrisspencer6502]

No they don’t they want roads without potholes gp appointments and schools with roofs that don’t collapse

[@FionaHedges]

Weak government for some, but not for others who will be paying for everything 😡

[@chrisjudd-uc7sh]

The reality is you either have to accept higher taxation and immigration control or we will be back to high immigration and high taxation. We cannot have the NHS available and properly funded without higher taxation, we are not fools.

[@davidfoster2006]

Well someone has to pay for the above inflation rise of the public sector worker’s and the 11.6 billion Miliband is giving away on green foreign aid.

[@ianroper7456]

Is the Labour Party only expecting to only be in power for a single term so they’re handing out pay rises to the unions while they can?

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

.........PRECISELY........of course that's one of the FIRST THINGS THEY DID BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. Showing themselves as "Saviors of The Poor" AS IF.

[@a13xdunlop]

People do not want their taxes down they want public services improved.

[@josepontes3849]

I can see train drivers receive 100 percent pay rise by the end of the year the way we going and more strikes then ever.

[@TerenceHumphreys-cy9ss]

Get the money back off them two criminals who got paid millions for ppi in the covid pandemic then us pensioners can av our winter fuel payments reinstated

[@TheMerlinshawk]

I call for article 61 of the magna carta to be invoked it's never been risinded we have a right to protest in written in law

[@ianwilliamson7703]

We have adolescents running the Country, it’s Labour all over again, we’re back to the late 70’s, strikes, higher taxes, higher national insurance, inflation already on the increase, cost of living increases They’ll be back to IMF, like they did last time.

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

........PRECISELY. They got so surprised to be voted into Government, that they run/ran around like headless chickens wondering what to do!

[@m0o0n0i0r]

To close prisons and not buuild new ones is silly. To knock down house and sell council housing and not buld new ones is also silly. This is how the country has been managed for decades, and it is now catching up. Thing is it is very easy to fix, but nobody would vote for a party who will fix it.

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

4 million people did.

[@m0o0n0i0r]

@@Eleventhearlofmars lol okay. I personally would not rely on the political class they are all as bad as each other thats why there was a very low turn out. But you should also look at how Reform was funded and how it was a business with accounts at companies house.

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

@@m0o0n0i0r you’re lolling at me but please tell who you were going to vote for to fix it? Jim?

[@m0o0n0i0r]

@@Eleventhearlofmars well it depends what you want to fix? lets be clear, governments over the past 30 years have allowed the UK to decline due to short term thinking. I grew up under labour, I remember when Blair came in to office, John Major left en economy in good shape. Labour went on the spending spree, and 2008 financial crises was the result. However in 1994 one would have tought that John Major would have held a referendum about the EU? Labour are not any better, and why do you think Reform will make any changes? I believe they might have good intentions but the country is broke, so nothing will be fixed until there is more radical changes such as cutting benefits for all. They seem to be attempting to lower the spending power of the GBP this would make GDP look like its going up due to currency devaluation and so goods and services become more expensive. This is how the political class think I believe. Here however is my view, all the electorate are, are just people in the way for politicians to get in office. I realised this in 2008 when I did the silly thing of renting a room in a HMO and trying to save for a deposit on a house. Once they did QE and ZIRP, many over indebted got the bail out, while savers got taken for a ride. Reason being is that most people seem to have more debt than savings. I came to the conclusion that no politician is going to fix the issue of currency devaluation, they actually want it to devalue by 2% every year. But ask yourself, if we had sound money, would we have half the problems we have today? Reform might want to try and contol immigration, but how will they do it? and do you think their plan is realistic? I for one do not, while all those that run those hotels get bailed out by government. They dont need tourists any more. I did vote, many were telling me to vote for labour and how great it would be etc etc. I did not vote for labour or conservative. In any case, I made some good investments well over a decade ago, funny enough my work colleagues at the time were telling me how dumb I was. go figure

[@m0o0n0i0r]

seperatly, I have my own 3 bed house in the SE today. Sure its mortgages, on a 10 yea fix at 3%. I earn more in my investments and savings - so was not good to pay it off. However I position myself, today that if I get hit, well most of the population get hit harder. I only have one vote, but doing what is best for the long term of the country is opposite of what voters want. Welcome to democracy.

[@philipwilkes2780]

Labour 😂😂😂😂😂

[@rogerthasan235]

The whole world can see how weak this government is, We'll need alot more prisons and hospitals.

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

.........and DECREASE IMMIGRATION.

[@robertguildford]

Giving into unions is par for course when labour get elected.

[@m0o0n0i0r]

Country already bankrupt Mike. Best thing to do now is look after number 1

[@edwardteach5917]

I government proofed my finances many years ago. I haven't trusted any of them for such a long time.

[@fashionbemeUK]

Remember loads of Foreign prisoners should not be Here, Should be Deported, To Allow For the Knife Gangs “No Police wants To bang up!, So More Chaos With This Government Only puts People in Prison for Having an Opinion, They Don’t Like

[@lmg7503]

We have an anemic growth. Mythological workers and a government that is behaving like children on Christmas day. We need "Reform" to take over Britain. To help us back to a starting point of reason.

[@seanboland3560]

In 2010 the uk owed 1.1 trillion pounds after 14 years of austerity and total mismanagement of the economy we now owe 2.7 trillion , the working class have seen their standard of living go down to Victoria times, tories will let the people starve

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

..........and Liebor will "borrow their way out of debt from the Banks etc again" for our family descendants to PAY OFF + INTEREST FOR DECADES TO COME.

[@AlunThomas-mp5qo]

From whom exactly is the government borrowing all this money? Is it from other countries, multi national corporations, billionaires etc?

[@iangreen3337]

Tories opened three or four prisons that I can think of - HMPs Berwyn, Oakwood, Fosse Way, Five Ways... all privately run but these are VERY big jails.

[@grahamdyas1626]

Under the last labour government, the public sector grew by 40%. More people, more wages, more pensions. They will do the same again and it will be the private sector who gets to pay for it. We need the government to be massively cut, not to grow. We need a bigger private sector for growth, but instead of cutting big government to move it to the private sector, they will just fill the country with immigrants in the hope of growing the economy off their backs. It will not work.

[@cindyfaulkner5725]

If employers have to pay more NI for it's employees they will just get rid of staff

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

....or bring in "cheaper to employ poorer immigrants with NO MORTGAGES TO PAY".

[@dragonfly6908]

The argument by "The Unions" for a pay rise for train drivers was that they had not had a pay rise since 2019. It has been reported that their recent pay increase takes the average Train drivers salary to £69,000 which is an eye watering salary to me. In two years time they will want another pay rise so what will be their justification next time?. 🚂. 🚂. 🚂

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

......b.c. "THEY ALSO HAD TO PAY" FOR INCREASED BILLS DUE TO the eye-watering increased salaries paid to their mates the "average Train Drivers" etc etc

[@marterlew]

Nothing will be cheaper with Labour they will just but everything up.

[@Dawkowski]

I'm sick of the rich getting richer.

[@George-n6i]

No it's not just taxes, what people want, what the majority want is a fair safe country to live in not an unequal divided state, if the country was moving in that direction with a leader they could identify with and trust and the will of the people could be seen to be done, higher taxes short term would be acceptable.

[@danielrawlings8355]

Each time you create a credit, you simultaneously create a debt, cancelling each other out. In absolute terms, money doesn't exist.

[@u2kjib4cjkqn]

Agree all made up but people still think banks lend money out .

[@paulcampbell6316]

Inflation is about to rise. Its the Private Sector that will have to pay for these increases , so that means prices will have yo go up, and everyone else will want wage increases!

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

.......OF COURSE........but they're unable to think THAT through!

[@rudy-r5x]

nothing ever goes down,unless it's out of date or a coffin

[@philbamford6957]

Borrowing to pay the unions off

[@Cyril-eu4gf]

I really want to know what qualifications and qualities are the minimum requirement in order to serve as aMP / PM. Over recent years it would appear to me that zero morality, the ability to lie fluently, and the ability to completely disregard the needs of the people they represent are the only things required in order to serve. If we the electorate can vote them in then there should also be a mechanism in order to say we made a mistake and need to make urgent changes.

[@gbentley8176]

Pachydermitis

[@brunaburg9377]

You want effective services, you have to make careers attractive. High stress, low pay does make a career attractive. Hence the shortages. The jobs the "foreigners " were taking off British people.

[@pauleynon5149]

Government is supposed to make life better for people not hard and miserable all the time

[@garyowen4112]

to pay off our national debt every adult would have to pay around £45,000 or every taxpayer would have to pay around £80,000,that doesnt make good reading

[@craigwallace691]

Heard the border were going on strike,they’ve been on strike for the last 20 odd years mate

[@nevillewalker6299]

Somebody is responsible for the dire state of the NHS, who is/are these people? Who is in charge and who has allowed the NHS ro become a laughing stock. A public enquiry manned by Lee Anderson, Sir John Timpson for a start and not a bunch of useless civil servants looking after their own jobs.

[@DhimmiQuimStarmer]

Borrowing money to hand out to illegals, immigrant welfare, foreign aid, climate assistance to Africa.

[@christopher_amor_02_animat79]

Whilst claiming to have none to fix the state of our streets and lack of services

[@Slumbert]

"DEBT BOMB" Song by Dominic Frisby.

[@andrewharrison7767]

You can't have both - budgets haven't increased anywhere near demand for schools, or nhs for the last decade; likewise public salary cuts meant staff leaving nhs & schools to go abroad, meaning higher agency nurse / doctor costs. Meanwhile we're borrowing £100 Bn, and paying £100 Bn in interest because austerity killed growth in 2011, meaning the national debtm more than doubled before covid & Ukraine heating costs - but ni was cut & funded by even more borrowing

[@mickee8025]

Full Sutton Prison in Yorkshire is currently having a large extension built which will hold 1500 prisoners. It is one of several such projects currently underway or planned, aimed at increasing capacity by up to 20,000, by the end of this decade. No doubt Labour will claim the credit for this.

[@raymondelf7520]

sane guests everyday with southern views only what about the views of the rest of uk as it will be different from the south

[@danpalmer7676]

Such as??

[@whitehart11]

We don't need mad guests on

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

@@whitehart11as long as you don’t invite jocks down it’ll be fine. 😂

[@davidwalker4132]

Yes and their wages and expenses are going up as well

[@JustAUsername-i5l]

I cant stand Starmer, but expecting him to turn around an economically ruined nation within a month is a bit of a reach. Nobody knows how to fix this..not the best economists in the world, not any politician, nobody. The world is too complex now for simplistic fixes.

[@bwilliams572]

What does the new minister for prisons Lord Timpson think about locking up people for things posted on social media ? He said half the people in prison shouldn't be there before he was appointed. How does that fit with locking up grandmothers who posted something dodgy or someone who "watched" a protest Lord Timpson ?

[@user-xj9qu9do9o]

Best stock up the food banks

[@clovermark39]

Everybody should stock up.

[@david-pb4bi]

Tax the rich pay the poor, simple.

[@leerobinson9969]

Fines,probation, and community service.

[@user-yq3nu5hd6n]

England like Alcatraz You welcome in But you can't get out 😂

[@harris4018]

shrewsbury prison was closed and that was in a castle

[@m0o0n0i0r]

its as if we need less government?

[@DavidEdwards-uf5lg]

We need less of this government, that's for sure.

[@pamelacornelius8430]

Be ause our populstion is out of order feeding housing etc for outsiders is to blame along with labour for wpallowing

[@andrewmillns1757]

Got to pay your Union buddies

[@AlOh-2]

People are complaining about the high rate of tax. While demanding a large pay rise. Which will increase the government spending. Resulting in even higher taxes! 🤦‍♂️

[@m0o0n0i0r]

yes most people cant connect the dots. I learned this in 2008 when the government bailed out the banks and none of my friends has a clue. Today they complain that they cannot buy a house and still dont know why. I learned, took a hit to my savings, but bought my own home.

[@user-vb3hu6sq3z]

Rayner the rust bucket will solve the problem she can build a prison in two weeks!

[@maylomax9856]

Keirs sidekick took my winter fuel off me bet shes not cold in winter

[@oldshiny3012]

don't expect Monotone Mary change the direction of travel the tories was travelling higher taxes less services

[@juliaogara8794]

Rainbow hotpabts, made me laugh out loud. Sime humour in the news conversations is always greatly welcome. Thank you🙂

[@Ruth-ff7jw]

Thought they were trying to recover £90 billion. How much have they spent on all these pay rises. Debt not coming down, but going up very fast.

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

Guess who they’re recovering it from? Pensioners and the lowest paid workers.

[@Ironsoul90]

It the working class that wilĺ suffer

[@davidharwood9552]

Are you saying our prime minister and deputy prime minister are not united and transparent

[@streaky81]

This myth about junior doctors is a madness - they got the full 35% they demanded spread over 3 years, not 22%. They'll be back in a couple of years asking for another massive pay rise over the standard rise they get year in, year out. People think these people do something really special, they don't, they're doing a graduate training course by another name and there's a big pile of pay uplifts they get. No. Stop this. People who do graduate training courses even in finance which can be far more complicated and have bigger implications and is actually productive work don't see the sort of pay we're talking about, and it isn't like they signed up to their pay scales like 20 years ago, they all signed their contracts within the last couple of years. Now that 35% is going to be the yard stick by which all other public sector pay deals are measured, particularly across the NHS - the country simply cannot afford (particularly with Labour driving business away at previously unheard of speed and piledriving the economy into the ground at hitherto unknown rates) the junior doctor pay rise, much less everything that follows. Also the mythos of the poor downtrodden public sector worker not getting a pay rise. They get pay rises regular as clockwork, which you never ever see in the private sector, it simply isn't a thing and employees have to justify it - the only real way to get a pay rise when the taxpayer isn't footing the bill is to get a new job, which either does it directly or staff retention comes in and offers one. On top of public sector worker pay being massively over private sector pay for equivalent jobs anyway. There are also NO consequences for poor performance or incompetence in the public sector, the only way to get fired from a public sector job is to commit a serious crime - and even then they attempt to cover for it. There are no demands for service efficiency, public sector workers are almost never made redundant because of the relentless expansion imperative of the state.

[@iansmith788]

What a load of rubbish, can you imagine being in the front line dealing with stabbing victims or major trauma? That is real stress and Doctors need wide ranging knowledge to do their everyday jobs. It is the people in the banking sector who are massively overpaid and often contribute very little to society.

[@streaky81]

@@iansmith788 neither do junior doctors. Secondly people in finance contribute nothing _except_ for a) bankrolling basically everything and b) literally provide the fuel for it. Not at I work in finance, but I'm not ignorant enough to think otherwise. Some people go down into sewers to jet wash away gigantic lumps of congealed fat, which is incredibly dangerous. Now what?

[@JSC131]

Don't begrudge our fireman/women having a pay rise bloody dangerous job.

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

Driving a train isn’t though.

[@theworldaccordingtochris4370]

Labour, borrowing too much? 🤔

[@Dawkowski]

Tax the rich a lot more.