My last Alatreon speedrun

Sad times, the story repeats, the curse has returned. Recorded on PC.
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[@PeppoLS]

No BGM cuz this video is sad. The goal was sub5'50", in this video there were 2 major mistakes that prevented the sub6'10" (3:57 and 5:17) but dealing with both RNG of the monster and the RNG of the helmbreaker's hitbox it became impossible for me. I won't lose my mental sanity and my time because Capcom adds delayed hitbox mechanics (ISS and HB) they can't evidently manage. I'll reach my goal if Capcom will ever consider to fix this shit. I will take some time now for other projects I have in mind, so please stay tuned for some good content next month on my channel! Cya. Edit: This is the set, sorry I forgot to show it at the end twitter.com/ThatPeppo/status/1288863412173316096

[@Devil_Kawaii]

Im a LS main too. Its very sad too see they never fixed helm breaker. So now ive been using the other 13 weapons.

[@mhtox9331]

Im a gs and ls main ive legit started to use my gs more now its sad

[@ChaoSTrophicS]

😆 "i wont lose my mental sanity and my time" lol I find it funny reading this after seeing this many runs from u 😂

[@Rathadude]

So is the glitch then because the hitbox from HB comes a little after you actually do the attack so if you use HB and the monster moves another part of it's body into the lingering hitbox then that part takes some of the HB damage?

[@arshadzaidi4667]

I was so confused lately. I genuinely thought I was just missing hits since I thought that shit got fixed before. Turns out they fucked it up again. This is the most used and most bugged weapon in the game. Wtf is Capcom doing?

[@00eshi]

6:46 see? even alatreon is laughing at the hitbox

[@DogeSargeant]

*G R A S S*

[@00eshi]

@@DogeSargeant kusa

[@shitbox7853]

草

[@idplease8088]

0:41 pause

[@stepkurniawan]

Alatreon: Uses ultimate Normal Hunter: "Quick, 1 person health booster, come come!" Peppo: *busy helm breaking

[@Wslasher]

3:56 Peppo: "Ok Alatreon, you can get 1 hit in."

[@DogeSargeant]

Yeah me and my boy Alatreon trying to hunt down the impossible monster named "Peppo"

[@Gatitasecsii]

What about the ice flares?

[@billyjoe8185]

Nasty-looking Navi that was an actually body hit

[@skytree3993]

So the solution of helm breaker missing damage is to randomly add the damage to other parts of the monster. Sweet.

[@joesheridan9451]

Yeah I love it when I land on the head but get a load of miserable grey numbers from everywhere but the head

[@thechilzer7803]

Based on the position, it almost looks like the hit box clipped the chest spikes while falling, but maybe it has something to do with the player's position, since all the 'failed' hits have the player a lot closer to Ala's neck than the rest, and the hitbox is checking near the hilt? I dunno, I'm not an LS main and this is the first I've heard of this, but maybe

[@sportagus3]

@@thechilzer7803 It doesn't make sense sometimes. You can even see it in this video on the second example where the grey hits are actually behind him. Logical thinking would have you believe the way it works is the hitbox for helmbreaker is vertical since it's a falling attack, but sometimes the actual hits are landing on a horizontal line.

[@lolimmune]

it hurts your pride with anime cringe, thats how they balance helmbreaker

[@wyycathewyvern2292]

sportagus3 the Helm Splitter clipped the wing too, a tiny bit. It was in range during the fall.

[@rodelzildjianrodriguez6389]

2:20 the timing on that helm breaker is so beautiful

[@Galbrei]

I was almost crying laughing watching those "helmbreakers" at the end, then the last one got replayed and I saw that 99 and almost fell of my chair!

[@dem5455]

The chest hits were worse offenders, he did kinda clip the wing with the swing but I don't understand the chest hits at all.

[@ReviqMe]

Cringe

[@jacksonchow3359]

They should make helm break into single massive hit instead of multiple small hits

[@ingohregg688]

aww but thats not as satisfying

[@miguellazarogil935]

@@ingohregg688 they could "fake" it, dividing the damage and doing the multiple hits sounds but in reality it hit once with a shit ton of damage

[@hex_vex8871]

Chuan Li I think what he meant was it’ll be what you would normally get when doing all the little slashes added up, the problem with that would be the first hit of helm would wake the monster and the ultra one hit helm breaker wouldn’t get the sleeping hit multiplier while the GS does, theoretically giving it the bigger damage

[@zyjen1338]

@@miguellazarogil935 noice

[@saito853]

@Chuan Li TCS was only added in World how would it be symbolic across the series

[@user-ey2fl5ce5n]

最後のダイジェストから撮り直しのイメージがにじみ出てて切ない

[@ImWhyMortalsCry]

This was the most epic Alatreon run I'll probably ever see

[@shrivel_d]

i love how you’re sheathing a scythe

[@restrukted]

Imagine losing your sanity when you could solo alatreon in less than 10 mins Yet here I am, ordinary mortal, who has yet to conquer this mountain of a dragon

[@ianlewis8074]

I finally got my first solo last night after who knows how many attempts. You can do it, I guarantee.

[@SAWFACEG59]

Tbh solo is the way to go for alatreon if you don't have friends to play with. You don't have to rely on randoms to bring the right element, if any element at all (some idiots still try to bring in their blast shit) and getting the ele topples is easier too imo.

[@takuame7]

I've yet to solo him. Mostly because he starts playing a bullshit keep away game once he gets close to a element damage cap being met.

[@idplease8088]

The real mountain dragon is zorah.

[@nathanaelmcghee6073]

Feels

[@qave]

in my head i heard "Flawless Victory" from Mortal Kombat after Alatreon went down. well done, great dance

[@user-ps6hs5yy6n]

5:45 ここの見切り斬り方向からの兜割り制御が芸術的すぎる 終盤でこれを狙って決めきる胆力に脱帽 今回の太刀はシリーズ最高の武器なだけに兜割りバグは惜しいなぁ…

[@shiba_arknights]

動きに無駄が無く、見ていて気持ちいい

[@josshsharpe8111]

Probably the most amazing and satisfying long sword gameplay I’ve ever seen.

[@SH3RMSY]

Great grind man, well done!

[@yinu8760]

Awesome video :) Can imagine how annoying the delayed hitboxes are if you're a speedrunner. Hope to see more videos in the future!

[@user-ib6ln3xg9y]

同じ太刀使いとして本間尊敬しています！！ これからもファイト！！ 応援してます

[@thetahoefox1788]

Nice run I never knew LS I frames were so insane that an attack could move your character model like that w/o dmgs

[@destoc5661]

I got the special assignment, went in, get rekt, came out, cry.

[@DarkPST]

Nice run! Looking forward to future updates.

[@TheOnlyNial]

Helmbreaker More like Shooting with Shotgun from 100m away

[@zuliwe]

You apparently have never used a shotgun in real life.

[@user-en1qw1be4z]

@zuliwe z Most people haven’t

[@midgur]

that also happens to me, especially when ur hunting a monster with wings and u wantt to hit the front legs, some of the damage goes to the wings instead of the front legs

[@andrewsangona9099]

Cleanest finish I’ve ever seen my god

[@joshanderson9879]

Y’all doing this in six min and I can’t even do it y’all a different breed love the content tho

[@vicstone4464]

Bro.... that was so dope and welled timed. I wish i played like that

[@maggle4046]

that grunt you make when the Helmbreaker just... phases through the monster

[@Azadazam]

Bruv fuck it. You're still a damn good player and your content is amazing. It don't matter what RNG does or how you missed your timing by abit. Its all good my man. You're still a god damn legend in my book. Way to go my man

[@shotsfiredandmissed9068]

no matter how much i study the moveset of the LS, id never be able to get this good.

[@ventusrex6836]

Adoro l'Alatreon. Ottima caccia, bravissimo

[@thevectorchef]

This hunt was very satisfying. I can see the hitbox issue and was surprised Capcom didn't fix that issue (or did they later on ?) I still can't beat it with longsword, but it makes me want to give it another shot at the dragon chicken.

[@abwilliam6290]

Bruh out of topic but damn that golden look on the scythe when you spirit iai slash looks sick

[@williamkelly3254]

I know all too well about the dreaded ' did i really hit there helm breakers'. Feels bad man.

[@rossloryleo2944]

Peppo, avrai sicuramente antenati samurai! Complimenti!

[@1030hayden]

I am a LS Player and I know this well. Every time soloing Alatreon, this will happen it feels so bad when they released the message that LS had been fixed but it still have some problem like this and so "DEAR CAPCOM” (I'm from Malaysia, my english sucks)

[@ricwu]

godly hunt! I still need more practice >.< If helm breaker bug never gets fixed what would be your next favorite weapon for your speedrun content ?

[@CoolBackPackk]

It’s illegal for you to be this good

[@Khanhvu-pt6xu]

1:20 the golden scythe

[@xyrenity6703]

I personally am my own "speedrunner" (13 minutes is the fastest I can do LMAO this is just for fun) but I can understand how those damage numbers mean SO MUCH to making sure you get the fastest time possible. Those hits to the neck despite a clear slash to the head make absolutely no sense.

[@ImWhyMortalsCry]

Can't wait for your Fatalis speedrun

[@eli-boy7473]

Bro, that run was amazing! Very well done! Capcom seems to cut the budget alot when it comes to the favorite weapon in the game. I simply can't understand the mindset behind that

[@orangecrushhex]

What I enjoyed most was your ability to evade so many attacks. As a Switch Axe main, the ability to avoid attacks is a key element in being a successful hunter especially with how immobile my weapon is.

[@lostghost8969]

Those dodge is a BIG flex.

[@danberry4647]

Holy crap this man is talented

[@FreakyBeaRTV]

still the best run, normal players unable to pull this off. GG Sir

[@whispine8601]

That's some cool ending there

[@kyougasc6314]

nice run!! (ナイスラン!!)

[@benlucas4214]

classy finish!

[@TheRegulus01]

At some point after Iceborne began, I stopped using the helmsplitter. I was just way too irritated that it didn't work properly and the problem was never adressed. I used it again on Fatalis, but had a whole other problem. The slash hit the head, the efx triggered. Nothing. No damage at all. A perfectly timed helmsplitter with no reward and a wasted bar. It is truly sad and it feels even worse here. You have such beautiful, elegant gameplay and those helmsplitters were perfect. At least we had the Iai spirit slash as another big damage move. Let's see how it will be in rise.

[@martinkwok2647]

Alatreon：this is my sad story

[@darkducky]

1 year later and now we have the helmbreaker that transcends space time...

[@pushingdaisies8919]

Ur a beast for this

[@-mokelo-8421]

That helm breaker hitbox in the 2nd one... haha the hits went to your back when u slashed in front of the head. Demn they really messed up with the helm breaker hitbox. Sometimes i miss all hits when i hit in front of the head lol.

[@GhAzAlMj]

This run was almost perfect wow 🤩

[@BigDBrian]

the case at 7:15 where the wing is clipped seems to suggest it's to do with a giant hitbox they put on the move to make sure it lands. All the hits are to close bodyparts like the neck. I'm guessing it's not an alatreon specific issue, though maybe the position of his head compared to his neck worsens it. they're at about the same height when helmsplitter lands, maybe neck a bit higher sometimes. Essentially it's not a bug but a bad hitbox

[@steffenaltmeier6602]

they could have had multiple hitboxes... a tight one, which gets checked first to get precise hits, then a slightly less tight one etc. it's not even hard to implement, maybe 30 mins of work (plus a whole lot of testing ofc)

[@seanbalbuena8710]

Jesus, glad to know i'm not the only one who experienced this bs

[@doomstothfilms]

We literally just failed an alatreon because my helm breaker damage all went to his neck and chest for crap damage despite my sword quite literally clipping through the tip of his stupid head. He then proceeded to get enraged and fly until it was to late. If fatalis has some ridiculous damage check too I'm alt f4ing and going to bed.

[@nectarp9186]

Lmaoo that end music. Sad thing is capcom the type that will let something like tigrex hitbox stays forever soooo i hope they really works toeard making the game as less clunky as possible

[@AxelOtaku]

Peppo: This is not ok Capcom... Capcom: Yes sir, sorry sir!

[@Warm_Ice0]

That thumbnail though 😤👌

[@Redst0neWiz]

That one proc you got on the tip of the wing looks valid considering your weapon did clip through his wing before he moved it back at the beginning of the helm splitter. Looks more like hitbox porn instead of just a bad hitbox. The neck procs though are completely BS

[@jasonZoo123]

Most of the moves you pull off are pure bullshit like im 100% sure i can never pull it off. And that ending combo is just fuckin gold. Nice Run man, mad respect.

[@Vasillone94]

Daam bruh, poor alatreon, you completely destroyd him.

[@icetwitch]

Seriously capcom just change it to 1 big chunk of damage like this one 1:16 but with greater value, that will really fix the problem

[@Noltar]

It will only work of the attack is always a critical because if the monster moves while you’re doing HB and hit a hard part, you just wasted your meter for very little damage. Interestingly enough, I don’t think I have had that bug shown in the video.

[@SAWFACEG59]

The game is almost at the end of its life cycle. They aren't gonna completely change the way the hitbox works now.

[@maiwaifuisdead]

@@SAWFACEG59 really? I thought they said they are planning to support mhw for a long ass time. I'd expect several more, at the very least 1 more huge dlc. Isn't letter G still free for that?

[@doomstothfilms]

@@maiwaifuisdead Uh no bruv Fatalis is the last update. That's the end. They are moving on to new project after this. However monsterhunterworld servers and events will still run for quite some time.

[@jombonidracuz6176]

@@maiwaifuisdead Servers will be up for a long time, that's what they mean by supporting it. Other multiplayer games would just shut down their servers after moving towards a next project.

[@hellenzubacz5629]

ペッポはmhwiゲームの神です

[@porkerpiggins1790]

Weapon attacks that are only one move but have multiple damage numbers (like helm breaker, wyverns fire, Iai spirit slash, etc.) should be changed to just have one big number imo

[@Gunsblazin94]

I saw someone make this same argument further up, and at first I agreed, until I saw the counterargument. The counterpoint to that is this: What if for some reason the monster turns, or does a slight movement, and then that Helmbreaker that was meant to hit the head for 1000 combined damage, now hits its resistant wing for only 200? You essentially just wasted your entire big, damaging move to only get a fifth of the damage. The multiple damage numbers are overall a better way to implement it. I'm entirely sure that Capcom had the same idea when they were coding in Helmbreaker. They probably just found that the chance of wasting all of your damage on a target that got blocked in a manner that was out of your control to be...well, a bit lame, and unfun for the player. Still, the fact that what should be a straight, vertical hitbox can miss and hit other areas like in the video is an incredibly frustrating thing to deal with.

[@JohannAllag]

What a joke, it must be frustrating... Still an amazing rub, congrats!

[@KoreanGamerGuy]

Alatreon hitbox joins the battle between Lunastra's hitbox and Velkhana's jedi tail!

[@user-ol9hc3tz5j]

最後のTAお疲れ様〜

[@PeppoLS]

お疲れ様でした～

[@cooldudeachyut]

Speedrunning for such low times needs incredible rng. Still, a world record is incredible! Tbh I think the helmbreakers would have landed more consistently if you execute them completely perpendicular to Alatreon's head, though delayed hitboxes are not nice.

[@arshadzaidi4667]

Nah it straight up doesnt matter. I've done the same and it somehow hits the wing.

[@RageInside.]

I've hunted Alatreon 100 times with LS, this shit has occurred in every single hunt I've done, it doesn't matter how accurate you land it. This problem needs to be fixed, but I think it is too late.

[@zee1645]

you must be delusional

[@samuelececcherini3555]

What layered pieces are you using in this video?

[@eu_ath3na237]

Just wow insane 🤩🤩🤩

[@Vestige98]

Easy fix would be to reduce the amount of hits but increase dmg, or just make it a singular hit. Idk I'm not a game developer

[@rasfalco974]

Une des plus belle chasse que j'ai jamais vue !

[@theskyisfaling]

so whats ur prefered or the best build for LS? i keep going for crit and atk both around lvl 6 and then either one or the other is at 7. also what food atk buff / drink are u using ? you doing 190 - 210 damage then to around 280 - 310 just hitting weak spots is soo broken even i dont get that high. also im not using any buff what so ever other then from the food of course.

[@michaelsnyman2800]

How did you get the handler to stop speaking every time you hit the elemental threshold? Great run btw

[@russtezew.7824]

How do you get better with the LS? I like the weapon but I feel like I'm struggling with the weapon.

[@bllakc]

cries w/ 21min~ ta wr T_T, meanwhile a well executed speedrun in 6min~ by sir peppo. ggwp sir. breathtaking iai slashes!

[@kingkoy0072]

Hey Peppo. Just another great run on this video. What video editor app do you use, if you dont mind me asking?

[@PeppoLS]

Sony Vegas

[@kingkoy0072]

@@PeppoLS thanks Peppo! Looking forward to more of your sword swinging vids.

[@zakukidoko2128]

How to get life steal from longsword attack? I Saw the picture of Twitter by peppo the skills just basically to improve damage, whats point im must to do to get that?

[@hanajak]

Don't worry, they corrected Longsword in Rise. Now you get all your helm breaker damage plus bonus damage to parts you didn't even hit! 👍🏾

[@dtlnor]

I think its not the problem of SHB's hitbox, it's about the hitbox of Alatreon's chest. Hope crapcom will fix it. (the reason of 7:21 is because 7:03, once you press the button, the hit box starting from when the player character pulls the sword backward in preparation for the swing, and continues to be active for a short period even after the character has landed. Which MoonBunnie's document about SHB state it very clearly)

[@CarlTheSpud]

It very clearly looks like some hits in the drop are hitting spots the rise would create even if the timeline of hits is different (looks like those odd hits are the 5th or sixth?) So starting SHB behind the monster in its forearm-pit looks to be part of the problem. Fault nonwithstanding. I believe SHB should be explained in detail by capcom or some sort of hotfix be applied at a later date. I feel for LS but there are other weapons that could really use the attention.

[@jeroen92]

I've never understood why helmsplitter gives multiple hits rather than just one big hit. It's one strike.

[@jehonthecasual1990]

Anime

[@jeroen92]

@@jehonthecasual1990 but in Anime katana don't deal multiple hit... They deal a single hit with an effect that is delayed between 10 and 20 seconds.

[@nectarp9186]

@@jeroen92 not really. Some anime character will just sheathe their katana and the enemy got cut to thousand pieces. I think thats where the idea came from

[@rodoyafokristian1722]

I understood if its spirit slash, but it is a freakin helm breaker.

[@skite69ers]

They should switch multiple hits to spirit slash and only one hit to helm breaker lmao

[@dcshiori]

So sad ma furr-end. I feel ya. 😿

[@alibikeysaim]

Perfect speed run I hope Capcom fix it

[@user-kanekomaru-san]

簡単にクリアされたら悔しいじゃないですか…

[@fabiettoaladin6588]

Sei il Dio di monster hunter

[@imshleep6081]

Helm breaker should always hit if your looking in the direction imo

[@Leo-ry6zh]

The hit box thing is not a bug, you are just breaking the game with your insane-ness ....

[@rocksteadyismydaddy506]

I get your point, its super annoying to grind for the double RNG and just wasting your time on something u cant controlle even tho its your OWN move/Attack...... But it still was an amazing run, very clean to watch !!

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

The helmsplitter damage hitbox stuff is RIDICULOUS. Your blad isn't ANYWHERE CLOSE to hitting ANYTHING BUT the head.

[@kiillu2008]

Can someone explain why people sometimes clutch on a Monster to get closer, sometimes it looks it tooks more time then just normal running to him

[@alepalano105]

I'm so sorry for you, that run was so clean and perfect, i'm looking forward to be good as you and you don't deserve this. Sta cosa dello spaccaelmi ho sempre pensato fosse una stronzata

[@mizerka3446]

gg run

[@lorieldesamito3998]

That enring though

[@Wintorn]

So far as I know that hitbox has always been janked to fuck and back

[@Cristian-xg9cp]

Whats ur layered armor called? Its beautiful

[@ekho5946]

what buttons do you press on ps4 to make you sheath your sword and then strike your opponent twice?

[@namcyrus630]

Wow what a good ending

[@ok4yboi929]

Alatreon: *RoAR* "hey..." *rOaR*