PERFECT PHYSICALS STRIKER vs. PERFECT MENTALS STRIKER | FM24 Simulation

[@pavfm6797]

Great idea... Wonder how the dad's would do as managers.... Max Mental vs Max Coaching vs Max Knowledge!

[@MisterTomox]

Maximilian or Maximus surely?

[@CFO86]

DU DU DU DU MAX VERSTAPPEN 🗣🗣🗣

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

A striker with max physicals, midfielder with max mentals and defender with max technicals would be interesting

[@Zual-Kifl]

Wouldn't defenders still be better with max physicals?

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

@@Zual-Kifl oh yeah obviously, physicals are OP. But I feel if you're going to have 3 players with max physicals, mentals and technicals then that would be the best way to balance it (CB more than FB/WB)

[@MackeyD3]

Max Mentals probably should have been a CAM. Having such limited physicals as the main ST will be a bigger impact than at AM

[@TheH3LLP3R]

That's kinda the whole point of the video...

[@jaygotgame1731]

you’d be surprised, but at almost every single position, physicals will win. The only attribute group that will give it competition is technicals. Mentals almost always fall on the lower side of experiments.

[@kirintoudou3366]

physicals are important for every single role, reduce KDB pace by 5 and his output is lowered by a lot even with roles that lie to you that physicals aren't as important , FM is one of the few games where DEVS are lying to you .

[@pedrorodriguez7732]

@@kirintoudou3366totally agree, that’s why I immediately sell my 29-year old players😁

[@Donjic1999]

Maybe midfield would be a more fair comparison between mentality and physicality. Its hard to imagine the strongest, fastest, tallest, and most agile player in the world not dominating as a forward as long as he has somewhat conpetent attributes elsewhere.

[@askefn]

As a cm mentality would win i reckon. Vision, decisions, work rate etc

[@Madeguydo]

​@@askefnacceleration and pace are still the best for midfield regardless of tactics and roles, in my experience if you have 100 current ability players with 17+ pace and acceleration you can easily win any league

[@askefn]

@@Madeguydo no. pace wont matter if its a dlp or a anchor

[@Madeguydo]

@@askefn 'Pressing is king. The reason speed and acc kill everything else in the attribute tests is because they're the #1 best way to improve your pressing effectiveness. Not only does the ball presser arrive sooner, but all his teammates will rotate quicker behind him. ' Roles do not matter, the only thing that matters to the match engine is the 50-50 calculations on wether you have the upper hand in getting the ball or not, and the only important attributes for such an event is pace and acceleration, no matter the role or anything in a fluid gegenpress tactic (even the default one with no tweaks is meta af apparently) everyone rotates until you get the ball. Search for "FM ARENA Should you follow the highlighted attributes of the roles?" on google and you'll find out i'm right

[@michaelh878]

​@@askefnYou are insane if you think pace doesn't matter for a dip or anchor.

[@0M0rty]

7:20 Newgens, especially strikers, tend to generate with really low concentration these past few FM's. I think this is SI's idea of balancing that low starting concentration, having players develop it like crazy.

[@Clayts]

That makes sense

[@XPL80]

Maybe freezing attributes next test? Regarding final question, I really think it depends how you are playing. An extremely low tempo tactic may benefit more from mentals or technicals, but any tactic willing to exploit the space behind the defense, even a little, will favor the physicals for sure.

[@LainiWeiz]

Dunno why but for some reason I expected Mentals to do better but I thought it'd be close. I think 20 Natural Fitness goes a long way in keeping those physicals up in to "old" age.

[@dumhd_jay488]

Question where is those newgan ai faces from? Those look amazing

[@airynod]

That's why when people on the reddit talking about the "meta" stats, I was saying it is mental attributes that is busted, not physical stats.

[@paulathekoala1699]

It would be fun to see a team of max physicals vs a team of max technicals vs a team of max mentals all in a league

[@michaelh878]

Physicals would win each game about 10-0. They'd probably score 4 goals just from set pieces each game.

[@MrSvetrkravata]

@@michaelh878maybe not if they have 10 off the ball vs. 20 positioning.

[@1997lordofdoom]

​@@MrSvetrkravata Wouldn't matter since they would have 20 strength and jumping reach.

[@gordonkilner8611]

You should do this experiment again, but in different positions. It would be interesting to see how the attributes affect each position and whether their grown changes. It could be a series of videos for your channel.

[@Fidothedog11212]

Might be fun to do Perfect Physicals vs Perfect Mentals+Technicals

[@Eldriitch]

For a similar suggestion, it would be nice to know which of the two columns is more important for GKs -- maybe it won't make much difference if the GK-specific stats are the same but it would be interesting to know how much the other stats matter.

[@Andles]

I was expecting Physical > Mental > Technical but I didn't think the difference would be THAT huge 😂

[@najuralp02]

I am too

[@csakegybolond264]

What's more interesting for me that a young player with 20 determination didn't have any serious progress in his physical and technical abilities. Maybe it's due to other factors but it's not what you would expect.

[@dubara7759]

Probably capped potential ability​@@csakegybolond264

[@michaelpryimachyk9456]

Actually, it is how it works in real football. In youth academies physical gems have more chances to become a pro and then catch up with a mental growth (of course if you are not an absolute tree and your tech ability is at least mediocre).

[@noelroach8843]

If you think about it, it actually makes sense. If you have natural talent I.e physicals (pace, acceleration, Stamina etc) and technicals (crossing, finishing, dribbling etc) these players would have more of an impact in a match compared to a person who understands the game and can find themselves in great positions but can’t run, pass, cross in order to utilize the mental attributes. Mentals are great for controlling games but not for winning games.

[@davidhumphrey608]

Soon... what ur saying is those players who have exceptional physical abilities who can also do technical stuff will bey those players who can't do either but know how and when to try to .. got u .. next ur gonna say these types of players make good managers 😂

[@anardi7112]

I played with Max Mentals in my save with Rotherham. He was pretty good. Sold him to Hoffenheim for £11m. Used that to buy Mbappe. What skin do you use?

[@ummelhoreu1690]

Bro bought mbappe in Rotherham 💀

[@Ren_1986]

And for 11mill? I feel like this is a bot lol​@@ummelhoreu1690

[@lordy6666]

Mbappe at the worst place in England 😂

[@Zual-Kifl]

11 mil to buy mbappe? Was he 47?

[@lugo1465]

One important thing is how they are training as well. I usually play gegenpress in my saves, so I have a bunch of physical training. I'm not sure this is a normal thing or if its related to more physical training, but physicals are easy to develop for my players so I usually go after youth prospects with good technical and mental rather than physicals.

[@bentarbuck6161]

i feel like this would have been better if their CA was locked. physicals developed way more than mentals did so mentals never stood a chance against 13 finishing and 20 concentration

[@faizmukti117]

I know this is just a fun experiment but to confirm which attribute set is the best, all other variables must be the same (tactics, teammates attributes, league's players abilities, freeze the striker's attributes, etc.) Good video ideas though 😊

[@adking18]

I think the point though is to kind of think about what kind of attributes you want to look for when signing a player. It is therefore important to consider which attributes will develop better than others and I think it's fair to say mentals develop the quickest with youngsters, and physicals the slowest. Which is why I think someone pre-set with great physicals dominates these kinds of tests as he just develops the others, whereas people who don't have the physicals can't develop them super-quick.

[@bamg7678]

I think it's more a case of which set of attributes have the most "key" attributes. The physicals have pace, agility, jumping reach, natural fitness, strength that I think exponentially increase a player's performance in-game. While the mentals are not per-say "needed" for a player to succeed, what I mean is that a striker could have 5 composure or 5 off the ball and with the right attributes still score 30+ goals a season.

[@lu502k]

interesting. you would think a guy in real life with an incredible mental profile would improve his overall game more over time than the guy who is basically just an incredible athlete

[@simonbrown5081]

Just shows how op physicals are, even with almost twice as many mental stats the physical one will always perform better in any outfield position.

[@henrykravitz468]

I agree with you regarding physical stats are most important

[@bill_benjamin]

You probably know this but FMRTE would allow you to have much more control over the development (or non-development in this case) of the attributes because you can freeze specific things. Even individual attributes.

[@Clayts]

Yeah I’m not a fan of using third party editors, and I wanted the attributes to develop/change. The idea that the physicals would decrease with age, whilst the mentals would increase is something I actively wanted. As the idea is to use the learnings to decide which strikers to buy in a regular game, e.g. I'm going to choose the young striker with the physicals, even though the mentals are lacking.

[@bill_benjamin]

@@Clayts figured as much and the video was great! All your stuff is great! I am a big fan of FMRTE because it allows me to sort out things that I find unrealistic in the game that I can't in the in game editor. ❤️

[@blackfalcon1324]

So, with the max fitness guy, the reason why his attributes were still so good is because natural fitness is how old a player can stay fit for, so giving him 20 natural fitness means he would be able to go until his late 30s

[@notbeluga1960]

As a striker it also depends ifthey play alongside good players that'll benefit them accordingly. Physically itsbenfits target man poacher and alos out wide as wingers or wide forward. Mentally it would benefyt a team playing possesion and a striker who would partake in decisions making for the team like deep lying forward or advance playmaker sort of role

[@ShawnKavanagh]

Mental transcends football knowledge, and hovers above the field with a bird's eye view. He no longer needs to touch the ball.

[@K3nnyV2]

hey, is it a facepack the faces for max mental/physicals/technique? I think they look stunning

[@Clayts]

No I generated them myself unfortunately

[@K3nnyV2]

@@Clayts aww, thats too bad, could you tell me what software you used to generate them?

[@philsblogs8527]

Having those two up front for Scotland is like Spurs when they had Crouch & Defoe up front

[@wristbreak]

I heard the sim engine is different to the game play engine. Would be interesting to see if the results would change if the games were played for a season or two

[@Clayts]

Yeah that’s a fair point. My experience is that physicals are even more impactful in the match engine

[@blackfalcon1324]

Havent watched it yet but my guess is perfect physicals. Physicals are highly over indexed by the match engine. Strength is literally the best attribute in the game, followed by acceleration, jumping reach, dribbling, than pace. Unless you give them 1 work rate, physicals need work rate.

[@lyylski]

Physicals are so overpowered that I wasn't surprised with the outcome. In cact I'm sure max physical player with 1's in everything else woul still outperform a max techincal or max mental player with 10's in other attributes.

[@Zeus-mc5wy]

I think nzola from fm 23 is a great example of why physical attributes are more important

[@gibbo7247]

what about a team with a perfect keeper and defnce a team with the perfect midfield and a team with perfect forwards see who wins

[@cihs88]

You should make the same while giving players ability to play anywhere. That way you can see when you have max something where managers choose to play you. Also to do the test, you should create very balanced teams. If a team has messi, it is normal forward scores more. While with Ronaldo, other strikers will play less.

[@Jay-ds8th]

Love the portraits how did you get them like that, is it the skin or just pics?

[@victorodulate7548]

How about the best combinations? That is - Max Mental and Technicals v Max Physical and Technicals v Max Physical and Mental.

[@stephentaylor6617]

Paused the video at 5:13. Pace is so overpowered in the FM24 match engine that Max Physical should turn out to have the best career.

[@Gindtis]

*Having not actually watched full video yet* Me - "Oh Max Mentals as a striker, isn't that basically Thomas Muller up top?"

[@danielfersbeanto7942]

I want to comment before the experiment conclude , I pause the video and here is my tought, I will root for the perfect physical as he can overrun, overjump, win with his strength and never runs out of fuel, does not matter what his other attributes, especially as everything else are set to 10 which is a pretty neutral (not bad value) he will thrive

[@yxngboyfv]

Ahh, bro knew we were gonna ask for a player with max technicals😂. That was the first thing I was thinking about commenting when the video started.💀🙏😭

[@danielandrews3878]

Good mentals normally should translate into faster and better overall progress, as the player is determined and has a big work rate, should be the better round player in the end.

[@pyrometricrs9151]

I'd be interested to see a slightly different version if the baseline stats were 12 rather than 10? I feel like that having base 12's would mean they are not overcoming such a deficit and maybe you could get a purer comparison between the two?

[@Lightflames85]

I think you need everything in a striker but there is a few that is more important than others like teamwork and off the Ball and keeping cool with the Ball.

[@michaelh878]

Irl yes, in fm, no.

[@Lightflames85]

@@michaelh878 I just played him 3 seasons and he did not hit over 20 goals a season. That is a bad striker in my book.

[@kirintoudou3366]

- skill issue , use meta tactic that gets the most out of a striker with meta attributes and will be scoring 70 a season with ease .

[@JACKWILLIAMS-j1n]

Should of done a Max hidden player as well

[@AlexWellbelove]

Posting my prediction before the video: Physicals becomes the best player in the world, mentals becomes an average premier league tier player. Physicals has a long career due to his high natural fitness, playing well into his 30s, while mentals retires a few years earlier. Will edit the comment to see if I'm correct! EDIT: I see technicals is a player too, I reckon he becomes about as good as mentals but still nowhere near physicals. Final EDIT: Well Physicals was the far better player, but didn't become quite as good as I predicted. Still a very interesting simulation!

[@michaelh878]

If he had even 12 or 13 heading he would have scored so many more.

[@andrewshearer9218]

It’s totally fair due to them being 3rd right now but I’m super pissed off at Max Tech not playing for Aberdeen 😢

[@kieranbarnbrock5219]

You also gotta realise playing for different teams makes a difference different level of players and type of players

[@alanwm1986]

I think you should then in 3 different positions (all the same county) playing for the same club in a lower league and see how far they can get their club in a set amount of years ...

[@tfcheng83]

I noticed their personality are different - Driven vs Professional. Any impact?

[@itsmejim3033]

If you want to test your theory, just build 3 teams where they all have max mental, technical and physical attributes.

[@okikssss]

Loool. Nice vid

[@ctfdv]

Little CR7 Jr easter egg at 16:05 👀

[@macaco3001]

You made the physicals player have better professionalism which helped massively in improving faster, you should have evened them out

[@TheChosenFailure]

I think that the guy named Max is going to be the best out of the three of them.

[@breeeee8252]

Max Mentals kinda remind me of Totti, seeing those stats for Celtic.

[@Ren_1986]

Cheers for this clayts great vid. Would love a role comparason for seasons, which do better, like wing back and full back, advance forward and another role, ball playing def vs central def, something in midfield too like mezz vs b2b

[@marcellmate425]

You should've done Max Hiddens as well.

[@robertdanacica3979]

what facepack is that man, looks amazing

[@Adi-R_Singh89]

What's happened to your DOF save 😮?

[@Lionheart_89]

Mate how do u put them faces in ?

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

Ahhhh yes Physicals, a good protestant surname that!

[@davidreis5053]

Where did you get those faces?

[@Baconman88]

Who would love it if he did this for every position? ❤ love this video.

[@25thSaint]

great video!!! but im not gonna lie it annoyed me that you locked them in to celtic and rangers for their whole careers wouldve been fun to see where their careers took them

[@gerrystarkiller269]

I think all 12 would have been more balanced, 10 it's really below Avg and can impact a lot

[@soundsasleep01]

Could you do the same but with CB’s?

[@killerjames33]

Soooo Phyisicals > Technicals > Mentals?

[@yehorkrut9933]

Great video, but why would you lock them in one club. Won’t it be more interesting to see how they would perform in different clubs and leagues?

[@Clayts]

I decided it would be much easier to compare if they were in comparable settings. Say one of them got bought by Man City and never played them because haaland was ahead of them, that’s not helpful to us.

[@thomassnape1237]

I think it will be max physical but I got a feeling max technical will steal the show

[@lincolneppley7690]

Max technicals would have been a more interesting comparison once it was clear that physicals was well clear of mentals

[@Clayts]

Well he was there and was by far the worst

[@lincolneppley7690]

@@Clayts had more goals in less caps for the national team (then mentals) had more goals in the league. He was in the least fortunate position as far as team investment as well and seemed to have similar success in the cups as (mentals.) From the very limited view we got of him he seemed better.

[@lincolneppley7690]

@@Clayts it was a great video and I enjoy your content but 21:58 it was very clear he was the better player over the course of his career (then mentals) and you could have at least looked a little more in depth I still really enjoyed the video thought you did a great job

[@EnormeEkoH]

Imagine: Advanced forward 20 acceleraration 20 pace 20 off the ball

[@adampark4238]

Can Motherwell get a couple players if you do Scotland again. Only way we can do well 😂

[@saxus1101]

Celtic already have Max Physicals his name is Daizen Maeda

[@nicholasr.652]

What face mod is that ?

[@sweetpepino1907]

I REALLY wanna root for my boy Max Mentals. I choose to believe ball knowledge reigns supreme. Edit: uh oh Edit 2: 😭

[@katziro7829]

now do this as midfielders bcs position maybe changes things

[@omosolaosobajo5947]

My prediction: Max Physicals would be the best of the 3 Max Brothers

[@remco9893]

Why didnt you freeze their attributes?

[@Clayts]

Because i didn’t want to

[@remco9893]

@@Clayts well fair enough i guess lol

[@Speedinnit]

We need more Clayts ❤My prediction is Max Mentals btw

[@Speedinnit]

Well this aged well

[@RishavSahaRimo]

What about the hidden attributes?

[@Clayts]

What about them? (They are identical)

[@ramadaniano]

16:06 Cristiano Ronaldo Jr?? 😲

[@peterkramer886]

Wow. This video is mental

[@Leicester_Ansulrua]

Adama traore vs muller

[@nilotpaldhakal]

You should do All Prime Messi XI vs All Prime Ronaldo XI

[@Sn0wy_TV]

should have called him max muscles

[@leeclegg2943]

Should Salah leave I don't think even Edwards will get £100m now I think it's more likely gonna be around £60-£70m the Saudis will just wait until his contract runs out

[@jackluo6019]

That face pack though 🔥

[@darthvulture]

technicals definatly did way better than mentals, he even won hearts the league in his last season! but physicals surely is the best thing for sure yeah

[@davidprovok2103]

Surely max physicals should be a higher weight also

[@duvan9880]

Where's Max Tekkers???

[@Clayts]

Hearts. Did you watch the vid?

[@duvan9880]

@@Clayts Yeah I watched the whole thing :) But that was Max Technical, I mean Max Tekkers, with maximum dribbling and etc, was a joke ;)

[@Clayts]

@duvan9880 gotcha 😂

[@EatDrinkRide]

What this experiment proved the most .... is that player development is still horribly flawed in FM.

[@GlobalWolve]

Baumgartner Ballondor 2028 lets goooo

[@shoothevoidii5890]

now do like me since fm exists.. only train physicals in youth

[@_Nerdstalgia_]

5:16 max physical

[@jajahbass]

Unrealistic inputs gives you unreleastic outputs

[@kangwamngandu3671]

I max Mentals that 20 workrate and determination

[@davidanderson7917]

I would always got to physicals

[@byod]

Hidden stats?