Perfectly Flat CNC Spoilboard & Spindle Tramming with a Simple Jig

[@markstegemeyer4976]

"I don't care how you call it." I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard. Nicely done, Marius.

[@warrenneeves7103]

Absolutely right. Who cares what it's called? As long as it's only EVER measured in metric.

[@ArnaudMEURET]

What else can it be measured with ?? Oh yeah, football fields ! ... Or Boeing 747 wingspan I guess...

[@doubledarefan]

@@ArnaudMEURET Or Grafuts!

[@SouravGhosh1810]

Your work is nowhere related to my profession but I watch your every videos and enjoy a lot. I must say that I'm absolutely addicted to your videos. Nice work as always and all the best for your future projects.

[@ZeedijkMike]

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[@TheDrake]

Your eye roll when talking about reusing the old weight handle was hilarious to me, as it's the same face I've been making when reusing materials that my own parents have collected over the years. I've found parents just don't want to throw stuff out, but that's good for us!

[@robertomartinezsalazar5518]

MEXICO te saluda. I have seen your 155 videos. I finished today. I really enjoy your work, your video production an of course your post production. What I really like is your dedication to measuring, congrats. Keep the great work. Your no1. Fan

[@mrtnsnp]

An advantage of Al over Fe is that if you make a mistake and happen to hit a dog with a woodworking tool, your tool won't be scrapped immediately (provided the speed is appropriate for wood). See how I avoided the whole Al discussion?

[@valiany]

THE KING MARIUS IS HERE.

[@wilcojuffer5940]

Hello Marius, I take a measuring clock in the swing. it go must faster. also you can dril 2 holes for M10 orso in the head mount next to the bolt , then put a adjustingbolt in so that you not have to remove the head

[@chrisp7957]

Nice. Thanks for the good video. I am amazed each time I watch a new video at how precise and well thought out your projects are. And as far as that silver looking metal alloy. We just pronounce it like it’s spelled. ALUMINUM there is only 1 vowel at the end of the word.

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

Not everywhere. There is an i in there in the UK. Several flavours of English available (see, I did it again- but do not want to labour the point...). But it IS called English.

[@sportflyer]

Alumi-numi-lumi-mumiun. That’ll work fine. Another great video, ausgezeichnet Marius!

[@gordongroves6674]

Great video Marius, thank you for sharing.

[@bobafetting6373]

:) The sinister tone in 'Guess what....I don't care' - Brilliant! P.S. you were right with Aluminium ;)

[@clartypaths840]

yep, otherwise we'd have to have Sodum, lithum, chromum, Beryllum, Magnesum, and so on.

[@TheScaryName]

@@clartypaths840 Epic

[@KirtFitzpatrick]

Great video. Looking forward to the next one! You were so methodical measuring the spindle angle I'm surprised you didn't use trigonometry to calculate the exact shim thickness needed as well. Well done regardless.

[@MariusHornberger]

When I did that the first time I calculated the shim thickness. But When I installed it and measured again the result was by far not correct

[@dausdose1025]

Hello Marius, if you would use a dial gauge directly as a probe, you would not have to work with the measuring strips. I use this method to align the table of my drill press. Regards Klaus

[@MariusHornberger]

Problem was that my dial indicator didn't fit under the gantry. I couldn't have rotated the jig

[@flinkwieeinwiesel5657]

Super precise CNC router table set up - can't wait to see the CNC workflow being more and more embedded in your projects.

[@mikematthaus6531]

Some unsolicited advice: If you have one, using a torque wrench to fasten the bolts for your spindle mount helps a lot in avoiding over/underfastening (especially if you get angry after having to do it over and over)

[@wirosk2916]

3:20 Why not use the indicator on edge on your tramming tool instead of using shim/feeler guage?

[@FredMcIntyre]

Awesome work Marius! 😃👍🏻👊🏻

[@smaug1234]

that's a really nice looking machine with some convenient features, I need to price one with a 8x4 cut area just to see how crazy that gets pricewise

[@rr974]

I first thought you chose the more time-consuming method with the feeler gauge for the lack of a dial indicator. But then you use the dial indicator to check for any steps from surfaceing. I guess it would be way easier if you mount the dial indicator to your wooden extension. ;)

[@MariusHornberger]

Dial indicator is too high to fin under the gantry unfortunately

[@rr974]

@@MariusHornberger That's a very good reason for your solution. :)

[@TobiPHartmann]

Einer der besten und umfangreichsten Kanäle hier Was mich ernsthaft wundert is warum du nich Millionen Abonnenten hast, wahrscheinlich is manchem das zu hoch was du da so treibst Mach bloß weiter so Ach ja und es heißt AL 13😅 MfG Tobi

[@randybartlett3042]

On this type of machine, is there any possibility that the gantry is not perfectly parallel to the bed? I thought you would shim the gantry support legs, but you shimmed the motor mounts. I suppose any variation there was compensated by flattening the spoilboard first.

[@MariusHornberger]

No, the linear blocks have alignment pins. But the gantry is parallel to the bed or at least within the given tolerances of the machine that Felder claims it to have in the manual (0,1mm over the gantry length)

[@MrCurstesy]

You should put the head of the bolt in the T-nut, with the stud facing up. Then you can use a wingnut and a washer to tighten down your hold downs, and the length of the bolt doesn't need to be changed, one size fits all, since the screw isn't moving down towards bottoming out against the T-nut and the base.

[@MariusHornberger]

Problem: the bolt sticks out the top and is in the way

[@crossworkers]

Hast Du für das Planfräsen ein Programm benutzt oder bist Du händisch die Fläche abgefahren? Welchen Fräser hast Du dafür benutzt? LG aus Bayern

[@MariusHornberger]

Ich hab ein Programm benutzt. Der Fräser ist ein wendeplatten Fräser von “fraiser“

[@giuliobuccini208]

What surfacing bit did you use? All I have found have an imperial shaft size, not metric.

[@HorochovPL]

Yeah we sometimes call it "amelinium" because once there was a video with guy who misspelled it saying (loosely translated) "this is amelinium, You won't be able to paint it, unless You use special amelinianowa paint"

[@midgoog2]

Marius, Aluminium or Aluminum I can tolerate either. I can even ignore the American belief that the majority of the world will see the light and return to fractional imperial measurements in order to save them from having to bother with learning new stuff. What really presses my buttons as a grumpy old Anglo Saxon is the way our friends in the US pronounce soLdering as soDDering. It seems to be a national with speech impediment. 😉😉😉😁 Cheers Eric

[@trentw26]

Hi Eric, American here... Aluminum vs aluminium - right or wrong, I say aluminium because it's more fun to say. Soldering vs soddering - I say soldering because that's the only way I've ever known to say it. To be honest, I'm made fun of at times for saying it that way. As far as imperial vs. metric - I was taught both in grade school... And I use both on a daily basis. The notion that the people of the U.S. strictly stick to one or the other is a false generalization. I can also say, without a doubt, if you stick to only metric, you are missing out.

[@johncall4525]

Pretty rich seeing as the English accent practically began as an intentional speech impediment.

[@GertrudeGrindhorn]

Thanks Marius, you inspire me to bother to get it 'right'....sadly, a rare phenomenon....

[@WouldWorkforWoodWork]

The proper way of saying and spelling it is Aluminium - that goes with the rest of the elements... Magnesium, Sodium, Potassium, etc. The "ium" is Latin and is used to form abstract nouns and verbs. There was a spelling mistake on the name back in the 1800s, and because North America is lazy, and had already got used to saying it a certain way, they refused to change. But like you said, you don't care how people pronounce it :) And really, why should anyone. They sound similar and you know what they're talking about.

[@Dsoginventor]

Lazy? Lazy????? If I wasn’t busy doing nothing, I’d argue this insult with you!!!

[@paulheitkemper1559]

Please tell us about the Latin element names for Pb, Au, Ag, Sn.

[@SteveHodge]

The proper spelling/pronunciation is whichever variant you prefer. IUPAC recognises both spellings as acceptable.

[@paulheitkemper1559]

@ancosa289 how do people know when something is a rhetorical question? 🤔

[@doobedoobedo1]

@@SteveHodge IUPAC is obviously wrong then.

[@NicosLeben]

I wonder if it would be a cool idea to use a laser to adjust the tilt of the spindle. Something like polishing the shaft and pointing a laser along the X and Y axis at the shaft so it mirrors the lasor on to the bed. Man... I don't know how to describe of what I am thinking of...

[@0dWHOHWb0]

I'm totally taking credit for the "gluing MDF to plywood" idea xD [EDIT: I mean ideas aren't really worth much compared to the work of actual implementation, but hey it makes me feel important so I'm clinging onto that]

[@bhlguitar]

Try the masking tape and superglue method for affixing the MDF. It's just as secure as glue, is way easier to pull up later, and it would take about two minutes per slat. ;)

[@pgrosebud2012]

Since you glued the MDF on top, how do you remove it to replace it?

[@MariusHornberger]

Since I cut into it over time, I'll resurface it at a certain point. When it gets too thin I just cut away everything until there's exposed plywood again, and then I can glue on a new MDF layer

[@dnns1896]

Just go the german way and call it Alu. Fits for Aluminum as well as Aluminium ;)

[@TheLindsay720]

Ironic spelling mistake considering the pedantic matter at hand 😂

[@MohamadJamilKayali]

Good idea i like it

[@lowellhouser7731]

Honestly, as an American I am pretty sure that we have it wrong, because the first time the word appears in print here it was misspelled. That is to say, when I call it alumin-E-um in front of other people I immediately tell them that I watch Top Gear and they just shrug. You're not the only one that doesn't care.

[@vladiocy2884]

Water + MDF = Bad for (aluminium) cutting Water +(Playwood) marine = Good for (aluminum) cutting. Nice work dy the end.

[@tanveerahmed1274]

How do you plan on replacing the spoil board since the fasteners are now below the glued mdf surface?

[@mikymax7798]

In his last Video he said that he knows the Screw-Locations so he can "drill" them out with the cnc

[@yousofmortazavi2837]

Marius, these are ingenious! Would you please include links to the hardware used in the 3D printed parts?

[@MariusHornberger]

That's all standard hardware. You'll find the links in the video of making the clamps

[@mastex5575]

Marius are you going to put a "bridge" in the back to support the workpiece further out if needed?

[@MariusHornberger]

Yes, but not for workpiece support, but to give stair ramps a higher place to sit on

[@PiotrKubiak]

It's called amelinium ;)

[@kfk2]

I normally don't thumbs up a video (nor comment) but the comment about the name of the metal at the end was just too good.

[@iPeel]

Ignore the septics, it's called Aluminium!

[@jimthesoundman8641]

6:32 What is that arrow?

[@MariusHornberger]

Pointing at a spider that went for a walk

[@grandfathergbur7696]

What's the point of arrow at 6:32?

[@MariusHornberger]

pointing at a spider that went for a walk

[@Sonicexpres]

what are you going to do when you want to replace the wasteboard?

[@MariusHornberger]

I mill all of the MDF away and glue on new pieces

[@hylopetes]

Do you have any problem with axis X? Drive solution on this axis doesn't look too precise as for other axis. I'm not expert in cnc but I asked some cnc owners and cnc sellers and they really don't liked this solution. Also I found out that in specification is sometimes backlash 0,1 mm and sometimes 0,01 mm. I suppose that first value is right. Hammer dealer wasn't able to confirm it. His response was that 1 mm is enough for wood (by some norm specification). Can you do some stress test video? I'm thinking that I will buy that machine and it could help me decide. Thanks.

[@MariusHornberger]

I have no problems with the x-axis. My backlash is in the range of lower than 0,1mm. What do you mean with it doesn't look precise?

[@paulheitkemper1559]

The plywood / MDF lamination seems a bit needlessly overengineered. Can you not get thicker MDF?

[@MariusHornberger]

Interesting. When I made the first spoilboard out of thicker MDF, the comment suggestions were to use a combination of plywood and MDF. Now it's the opposite. But the T-tracks made out of plywood won't wear as much and as fast as MDF

[@paulheitkemper1559]

@@MariusHornberger Sorry, I didn't know the history of design decisions. I should think that the only T track wear would be where the top and bottom of the nuts interface with it. In this case, the nut on bottom is under the aluminiuiuiuium. That shouldn't present a problem. And the top will be on the washer, and besides, the top will be clamped to the workpiece. So no problem there either. I must be missing something. What don't I know yet?

[@MariusHornberger]

I made T tracks in to wood and don't use the aluminium ones underneath. And my special T-nuts clamp and the wood. Just MDF did flex quite a bit when I tightened on the clamps. Why I do all that I explained in the video of making the clamps

[@AquaPeet]

Of course it has to be called what the first person who discovered/invented it, named it. The metal was originally named aluminum by Humphrey Davy in 1812. This, however, upset some other scientists of the time who thought it should use the -ium ending, like sodium, calcium, magnesium etc. (and some who thought it should be called alumina).

[@tichmitchell1618]

Please let me know what is the model of your CNC router?

[@MariusHornberger]

It's a HAMMER HNC 47.82. I have a separate video about it on my channel

[@danielmclellan7762]

I want that screwdriver, would you link it or mention the manufacturer?

[@ITubeTooInc]

It's a Wera Kraftform Kompakt Vario with Ratchet Function: products.wera.de/en/kraftform_kompakt_kraftform_kompakt_vario_with_ratchet_function_fine_tooth_system_for_precision_work.html Wera makes some of the best screwdrivers you can buy.

[@MariusHornberger]

Yes, it's a Wera Screwdriver

[@benjamin_f_gates]

Is that a Gru Industries logo on the jogging wheel?

[@MariusHornberger]

No, that's the logo from Eding CNC

[@TECsta76]

That weightlifting bar looks quality and has sentimental value.. Should save it and just purchase new material... 🧰👍🏻🏎

[@romeopavel4116]

and why haven't you used the dial indicator in the first place when trimming your spindle ? just mount the indicator instead of that metal pin on the end of your trimming jig..

[@MariusHornberger]

didn't fit underneath the gantry with the jig

[@caernavon]

So I don't have a CNC machine, so what do I know, but instead of spending all that effort to make sure the spindle is perpendicular to the table surface, why not just keep planing down the table surface? Wouldn't it eventually become perpendicular to the "crooked" spindle? Honestly curious.

[@MariusHornberger]

No that won't happen. You would always only create steps when you make passes for flattening. The gantry of the machine is parallel to the machine bed. Try imagine the spindle being mounted extremely crooked and how the result of flattening would look like

[@caernavon]

@@MariusHornberger Got it! I guess I was imagining something like a surface planer, which would do the whole surface in a single pass, which would be fine, but many individual passes creates steps, which isn't. Thanks! 😁👍

[@KCflynn]

Great content as always, spelling error in video title, it's spoilboard

[@MariusHornberger]

Thanks, I just corrected that

[@spacenomad5484]

Mission accomplished on the Aluminium. Now this: "I don't care HOW you call it" Well I can call it loudly, softly, while doing jumping jacks or by morse code. But that doesn't change WHAT I call it: Aluminium. Have a nice one.

[@TheMetalButcher]

Is English a secondary language for you as well?

[@spacenomad5484]

@@TheMetalButcher Ja

[@some.on3]

German guys as we are know, its caled Aluminumum

[@ello-mz6om]

Schöne Halbzeugsammlung

[@keto4life197]

Can i also get one in adult size?

[@MariusHornberger]

Sure, just spend the money

[@MidnightAmratha]

using the hold down clamps to fix the mdf strips also had a secundary benefit, it made sure the spacing was correct.

[@SeanAnderson]

What happens when it's time to replace the MDF?

[@MariusHornberger]

I cut away everything and glue on a new layer of MDF

[@daxis5]

Proper name is space metal

[@felixmayr2788]

Juhu👍

[@CaliberFiftyVideos]

After you showed the dial indicator, why didn't you just use a dial indicator instead of the outer pin in the tramming jig? That's how you tram real mills and you wouldn't have to fiddle with those gauges. As I scan the comments to not repeat something someone else already mentioned..well there it is, someone has already mentioned that. The dial indicator doesnt fit under the gantry? That's a surprisingly tiny Z height for the price of that machine if that small dial indicator can't even fit under it. From the video it seems like it would fit just fine, the top part looks to be below the lowest joint of the holder that is mounted on..?

[@joecnc3341]

Ausgeseichnet arbeit, Marius. Du bis richtig - im Deutsch und Englisch - "Aluminum" MFG von Romeo, Michigan, USA

[@43painter]

The dumble without the weights is called metal. 🙃

[@Artnovetor]

Máquina linda

[@dubi01]

Marius, keep up the great work, and for the record, it's solid tin foil.......lol

[@singJJBplay]

I don't think the aluminum (aluminium) cares what we call it either...ha!

[@Bloodray19]

it's still written as aluminium tho, just easier to pronounce it as aloominum

[@ryanlowe0]

not in american english. we actually leave out the final i in spelling as well as pronunciation.

[@AsitShouldBe]

I'm not a fan of wood base.. you need something firm and robust, but maybe for light works..

[@michaelferrone8452]

Marius can you please cut the end off that zip tie. It's driving me insane.

[@JoergGebhard]

Is there a reason not to use a dial indicator with the jig?

[@MariusHornberger]

The dial indicator sticks out too far. I wouldn't have been able to rotate the jig then

[@JoergGebhard]

@@MariusHornberger oh that sucks. then you sould have mounted the tool lengt sensor ;)

[@eduardvaniersel7535]

There is no discussion, it's simply aluminium.

[@RoyBlumenthal]

It's not called "Aluminium" or "Aluminum". It's called, "Compressed Tin Foil".

[@FintaruS]

I'm sure it's called allu-troll, Right? 🙃

[@tomim7187]

A-LOOM-e-num! 🤣

[@LostWhits]

Bauxite guts.

[@arrangemonk]

whe should call it fool's steel (zu deutsch Katzenstahl)

[@mostlyH20]

Whatever about Aluminium, can we please get “risotto” right!

[@daskasspatzle2396]

Hierzulande sagt man wohl алуминий. Also nichts, wo man nicht drauf kommt... Bei mir isses einfach Alu :-P LG aus BG

[@LudusArtifex]

in German it is Aluminium so in Englisch is it to . . . . . . for me anyway

[@quentinlynch]

Aluminimum.

[@charliecrane5825]

Metal good wood bad

[@TheDistur]

Aloomimium

[@ReevansElectro]

Don't you just hate it when boogers stick to your finger when you are trying to video an episode?

[@Rsama60]

Aluminium

[@ltnthacker]

What the he'll was it? Lol.

[@FritsvanDoorn]

I think it is allumminion. 🤣🤣🤣

[@IceCreams62]

Great video, but this is a wrong way to tram the spindle and surface the spoilboard. The right sequence is to tram the spindle and after to surface the spoilboard. And to tram the spindle you need a surface reference. Something like in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKupgZSapL97a7M. Of course you can use your jig like it is or with the dial indicator.

[@fordfess]

Aluminum to me Aluminium to some You can shine like silver all you want But you're just aluminum

[@DerAngeloMerte]

ITS CALLED NUCULAR

[@charliecrane5825]

No truth in your horizons

[@doubledarefan]

Was it mined in a British Commonwealth country? Aluminium. Mined anywhere else? Aluminum. Made from recycled scrap? Scrapyard = mine. Don't know? Cannot track it down? Just do not bother with the extra syllable. Or just call it Element 13.

[@tomim7187]

Alec Steele answered that question, pretty definitively from a historical context, in a recent video- it IS the American pronunciation.

[@hugobose2254]

Who gives a Darn what Alex Steele thinks lmao

[@Boeroer]

If only his name was Alex Aluminiume...

[@rd-ch1on]

A-loony-um

[@darkwinter6028]

Aluminum... weightlifting bar??? Of all the places where you want to save weight... this isn’t one! 🤨

[@Alfaduk]

Alumaniniumum

[@w.b.8326]

Yeah, who cares. Just add as many extra vowels as you want.

[@gerthalberg9735]

You are European - so it should be aluminium and not aluminum