5 Times Survivor Producers Screwed Up

[@JudaiEldritch]

My favorite example is locking perishable foods in a buried treasure chest in Pearl Islands.

[@MrAgentTurner]

That was crazy that they didn't even attempt to make it right

[@romanzolanski6256]

6 Times Survivor Producers Screwed Up ::::::::::: everything they did in that Kellie/Dan situation on Island of the Idols

[@harrisoncuming4352]

I mean at least they did kick him off eventually

[@bead8412]

@@harrisoncuming4352at the f6 though 😭

[@erynwindsor2477]

What you said!!!!!!!

[@harrisoncuming4352]

@bead8412 def shouldve been way earlier but its better than nothing

[@HQofrandom]

​@@harrisoncuming4352 after he assaulted another person, sure

[@daniellegershman9165]

There should at least be an honorable mention for when the producers allowed so many advantages and idols in game changers that Cirie was “voted out” by default because she was literally the only person who was not immune

[@LaceyArtemis]

@@daniellegershman9165 I feel like we've come close to a similar thing happening in the new era because Jeff is so advantage crazy.

[@josephinelilith3224]

"I didn't figure it out until we were all in the green room (all 16 Survivors, as well as Probst and Burnett), watching the final episode LIVE at CBS Television City. When I held up my response ('Lindsey') to that fateful question on live TV, Lindsey looked at me (in the green room) and said "Good job Lex, you're right!" A split second later, Probst (on TV) announced, "Lex, you're wrong. Kim wins immunity." And there we all were, in that green room, just minutes away from going out and doing the live after finale show. I looked at Burnett and Probst and said "Well, that might've changed EVERYTHING for my game." It was an awkward moment, to say the least." - Lex's reddit AMA.

[@CrunkPartyBitches]

forever changes

[@mehgend3914]

The word scramble puzzle in David vs Goliath with the Perceptions vs perspective debacle. Carl got kinda robbed there

[@Alex.1Q84]

That final scene with Woo is hillarious. :)) An all-timer for sure.

[@victoriastillwell5010]

similar to one of your points, i feel like the producers dont always account for size/height differences in certain challenges. like people with super small feet are going to have an easier time in balancing challenges than someone who has massive ones having to balance on the same size piece of wood being an example of this. love the vids, glad i finally figured out how to actually get notifications, its like a lil christmas present!

[@jeremybrown1742]

See the final 3 challenge between Danielle, Aras and Terry where it's clear the balance pads aren't adjusted for size and weight. Unintentional, but it was still a clear advantage for Danielle over the two bigger men.

[@heatherparisi8250]

Nah Danielle beat Terry and Aras fair and square

[@jeremybrown1742]

@@heatherparisi8250 Her win isn't in question. She did everything production asked of the contestants. That doesn't change the fact those pads in that challenge weren't adjusted to each players size/height giving her an advantage by being smaller, which is the point of the initial comment and my response.

[@Limapalooza]

But I guess at the same time, different challenges benefit different people already, so I don’t think things should be tweaked too hard.

[@freddytang2128]

@@Limapaloozabut a lot of other challenges are adjusted for weight and size. In same season terry won a weight holding challenge. I believe everyone was holding a certain percent of their body weight, so terry held more weight than Danielle.

[@84bombsjetpack23]

I never knew that Jeff admitted to giving the immunity to the wrong person in season 7. I thought when this happens producers would just reshoot the entire challenge...

[@SgvSth]

Can't in this case. Everyone has seen words off of the other player's boards.

[@EthanMunter]

The irony of the Marquesas rock draw is that if they did end up drawing rocks but used the current rules, Pascal would still go home by default (V has immunity, Kathy and Neleh are given immunity due to the dead lock) but that being said the fire making tie breaker makes a lot more sense

[@jessepretorius1456]

On the Pearl Islands challenge, could you not argue that “nails” or even “pairs” could be verbs instead of plurals? I’m sure it came up there on the island, but I would defend Nails as a verb

[@duelist301]

It depends on the specific rules. My guess is that nails/pairs wouldn't count as verbs because they are alternate forms (third party present) of nail/pair, so it would be similar issues to using plurals.

[@generallukeproductions]

The 46 challenge where Liz goes off the course to physically assist Kenzie. And the 47 Sierra vote retconned prior established tied voting rules

[@Ori_Kohav]

They should never have added that forced fire making at final 4. That eliminates the social part from it. That’s one of the main things Australian Survivor has over the American, because they have an actual vote at final 4.

[@Captain_Subpar]

Some of these feel less like the producers screwing up and more the producers didn't have some of the rules written in stone yet because the show was new.

[@srayj]

@@Captain_Subpar I absolutely agree with you. I think what it shows is that the show has evolved a lot and they’ve had to think through every scenario and possibility to make sure they have rules in place so that they can’t just come up with a rule on the spot to benefit one tribe over another or one player over another. They have to have a set of rules that are predetermined and applied no matter who is in the running in that particular scenario so as not to be accused of rigging the game.

[@motodog242]

I mean, a guy that wasn’t even voted, got knocked out. You don’t need to be new to know that ain’t right.

[@ThijsAnglim]

Imagine an episode where Colby goes to prison over the coral. First person arrested from the Australia Outback… Colby You have the right to remain silent. Colby, the law has spoken *clicks handcuffs*

[@zachfunk167]

we fight for it…

[@MsUkulady]

I could be wrong, but I took the plurals rule to mean you could not use an s to create a second word. For example "lover" and then adding s to make "lovers". You could only use the word once.

[@ASG-nm4cz]

Obvious ones: Pearl Islands - Another example of breaking the law Game Changers - Half counts but they were going to go through with Cerie using Sarah's advantage until somebody noticed the fine print We still don't know if rules were broken when individuals helped each other on individual immunity challenges to get Maria out

[@Enzym3]

Not the Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing reference. Peridiam Mario Party stream when????

[@whitevii1533]

They were not let off the hook with the Coral Reef. They had to pay the Australian Government a massive fine.

[@harrdeeharr]

Seems like a big production mistake to set the precedent in South Pacific that players couldn’t physically help each other in an individual immunity challenge, only to allow Liz to physically help Kenzie in the final 5 challenge in Survivor 46.

[@PhillipOnTakos]

It actually says in the contract you sign when you play on survivor, that you can break the rules so long as the producers say so. It has happened multiple times where players have broken rules but the producers allowed it because it made good TV. Really I think the statement of "better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" is how they look at most of these.

[@esinger23]

@@PhillipOnTakosthat’s interesting

[@JNDReacts]

One mistake they may or may not have corrected is who votes during a tie between three people. It never really made sense that the three players who received votes had to sit out, since they would each still be able to choose between the other two. Now with the thing in 47 where Sierra got to vote for Sam because he had lost his vote and she didn’t, and Jeff explained it was because her vote wouldn’t be cancelled out, this should also be applied to any potential three-way ties going forward.

[@rileycraig2247]

Other Examples: The tied challenge in Cook Islands ben's final 6 idol play the tiebreaker rule at the final 11 of survivor 47 mitchell seeing colby vote for him in the urn the final 4 immunity in Samoa Haves/Have-Nots The Mike Chanelle revealing their votes debacle Advantagegeddon, and it's other potential instances (41 + 42 mergatory tribal, any split tribal in new era 41-44 with 3 idols,)

[@oliverman274]

What was the issue with the final four immunity in Samoa?

[@greenday61892]

What was the screw-up with the tied challenge? If you're talking about Jeff not instantly calling it a tie that's a *wild* expectation of him.

[@RudJohns]

@@oliverman274 When Brett dropped the statue Russell immediately dropped his before Jeff announced that he won immunity, so Jeff scolded him and demanded a re-shoot. Russell said in a interview that he had to beat Brett twice, but the general consensus is that they just re-shot the ending of the challenge, not exactly a "rematch"

[@lastdayonearthmysteryman4849]

Now since season 35 fatal four fire making is how the final four is decided!

[@patrickkubus4441]

I think the sitting out back-to-back challenges rule has been broken a few times as well. I remember on All-stars, Shii-Ann sat out an immunity challenge and then the following reward right before the tribe swap

[@PatrickJStahl]

It doesn’t look like Lil had any singulars to go with her plurals. Also, I’m guessing it was only mentioned for the joke, but “earl” is a feudal title.

[@nolanitis2086]

I always wondered what would've happened in a season with a final three and nine jurors, such as cook islands, if all three finalists received the same amount of votes since they couldn't have done what they did in ghost island during the first ever tie.

[@CheeseGhosts]

The final 4 dynamics and street used to be so good and forcing ties was necessary at times to get out that big threat or satisfying to vote out the big threat 3-1 (would have been great to see Ben go like that) and forced fire making rips the strategy and game away from the players at such a crucial moment

[@daliretoncho]

Borneo it wasn’t a mistake. It was by design, that the food challenge doesn’t sit anyone out because that would intentionally give the bigger tribe with a disadvantage of having more people

[@shellbacksclub]

Rob in The Traitors should be interesting

[@oakapigang2944]

Didn't they also try total votes as a tie breaker? And then the guy who was tied was like "No votes, that I know of?" Because they don't reveal all the votes after the majority is hit

[@Ori_Kohav]

The idol experimenting at seasons 11-13 is also a production screw-up, and so was the initial attempt to push 17 eliminations in 39 days on season 13.

[@wattrus6077]

You forgot to mention the hourglass “challenge”

[@davidsonoffergus]

Let's not forget all the 3-way tied votes where everyone should have been able to revote. As stated by Jeff in Season 47, the reason players with tied votes don't revote is because their votes would cancel each other out. They don't necessarily do that in a 3-way tie because the tied players have two options.

[@sebv140]

34 seconds ago thats a REAL peridiam fan

[@dillonhanson8801]

Mad dog sat out the cliff jumping challenge in the second episode of S2.

[@ArcanineEspeon]

Did she have to wear the chicken hat?

[@derekyoung5941]

I am curious to go back and watch it. Because you are right that she didn’t have to jump off the cliff and swim during the challenge, but she was in the water and I think she had to swim/float afterwards. But then again…whoever got that reward unhooked first was guaranteed to win. The current did the rest of the work.

[@derekyoung5941]

I just found a clip. So, interestingly, she was not originally in the water. When the challenge starts, nobody is floating by the crates. But if you look later in the challenge, after a majority of them jump, you can see Mad Dog is in the water by the Ogakor crate. This is intriguing…

[@DrewBurchette]

This is gonna be a good series!

[@tbranson6301]

I thought I remembered jon said either in a podcast or in the dvd commentary the french guy in their crew caught the mistake. I could be misremembering.

[@kimclaussen9413]

The early season "screw ups" (aside from the very arbitrary tribe sit outs in Australia and illegal coral reef picking lol), to me have felt mostly like the show working out its own kinks along the way and change certain rules accordingly for the following seasons to account for things - like the s4 rock draw, I didn't realize Jeff actually apologized for that!! 😂 I just always assumed they changed the rule as a RESULT of Paschal's departure. 😂 The "screw ups" in later seasons feel worse to me, in a way, because they're not a new show ironing out kinks. Or, and most especially, the way the Dan/Kellie was handled/not handled is by far the worst screw up from the producers. Gross mishandling.

[@jaggar]

How about the tribal from season 44 where they edited in a clip from a previous episode just so they could finish off what Jamie was saying. It’s like they really needed her to say “in tonight’s vote” so they put in a clip of her saying it from the past. It was so obvious too cause her shirt changed colour.

[@Kanders190]

8:53 I understood that reference

[@Foudroyant20]

hey Billy, was wondering if you considered adding the situation to your list. What's your take on that?

[@iLoveTheEighties80]

Who is Billy?

[@NB_703]

Omg. That woo clip at the end. Perfection. I miss him 😂

[@noahstein6990]

Production lowkey messed up all the tie breaker rules when they allowed Sierra to vote in the revote in 47

[@timfeeney7921]

The rock draw is the worst when it comes to someone getting voted off.

[@chimmyinfernape9189]

One production screw up that lead to one of the most dominate winners ever was casting Brian heidik. CBS did never did the proper background check on him to find out he was a soft core porn start before Thailand. If they did he would have never been cast leading to a totally different season because of one person getting lazy… also it lead to one of the funniest moment where Jeff when talking about winners just says that porno guy

[@Shan_Dalamani]

Was it illegal to be a soft core porn star? If not, I don't see the problem. If so, then yeah, their legal department messed up.

[@chimmyinfernape9189]

@ it’s not illegal but it casts a huge black shadow over him and is a no no for most casting departments. The only other time I can think of someone getting past that was crazy James on big brother 9 and despite being a fan favourite player he was not just ignored for returnee seasons but his whole season was shafted and barely mentioned Simalier to Thailand. I personally don’t see the problem with it but it’s for sure a fuck up in casting none the less

[@SamuelCulper-h6s]

Biggest screw up was coming up with the new era.

[@theimperfectcrafterny]

@@SamuelCulper-h6s tonight was finally really good.

[@SamuelCulper-h6s]

@ After 7 seasons? Ha!

[@VolkmasterBlood]

Why the hell does this video have 2.3K downvotes???

[@ThijsAnglim]

Must be the Survivor producers

[@kennethcampbell7263]

If we're talking about a screw up in season 3 Tom not getting further than Lex is a travisty, Tom is a much nice character than lex, whom threatened to kill people if he was voted off. Unless your Colby and Survivor and willing to pay a $250,000 fine, That fine is why they have never returned to Australia in more than 20 years now. The production just wanted to see if Gervase would eat the disgusting food. The other major production goof that you didn't cover, unless you have covered it in a prior episode, was not being certain of all players receiving their letter from home in season 1. Especially seeing as they used it as a joke toward that player the next time she played.

[@abhainnxv]

Talking as an Australian, it's actually really frustrating how apathetic American tourists are to our environment, and also to their own. Breaking pieces of the Great Barrier Reef is more than just a violation of the law here. It's disrespectful to our land and our people.

[@rima7286]

is it still a big issue? (context: microbiology degree, really care about yall’s reef tbh)

[@abhainnxv]

@@rima7286 Sadly it is. It's half the size it was in the 90s, and with the oceans getting warmer and more acidic it's not looking too good for it.

[@orangeants]

I’m not American or Australian at all, so I can’t imagine how frustrating this can be, but speaking as someone from a country that also has corals (India), it didn’t even occur to me that taking the stony feeling bits could be illegal. I think if the show does have local correspondents for things like this, they failed at their job, and if they don’t, they need to get some asap

[@ahuman8657]

Man the firemaking challenge at final 4 is by far my least favorite change they've ever made to the show. Really takes the social strategy straight out of the game right when it should matter most.

[@Souten66]

Honestly I love the final four fire making. In the older seasons where it’s a simple vote out feel anticlimactic. Now if they were to go back to a final two, I’d 100% support getting rid of it

[@camikaye6795]

“Earls” is a word

[@RicJiang]

One of the rules was no plurals thats why lovers doesnt work either, your correct that earls is a word tho

[@camikaye6795]

@ Ahhh, I missed that. Thanks!

[@Quetzal00358]

Number one: all the decisions of the New Era

[@ericzimmerman9700]

New era is garbage!!!!

[@Tbhyeah]

Unfortunately you don’t get a vote because production took it away but I appreciate the sentiment

[@lynseycunningham1386]

@Quetzal00358 i feel like with the shorter season in the new era it's harder for me to like be invested in the cast. I like the longer episodes but the pacing kinda feels overproduced?

[@Aqzw]

Nice

[@liammcgrath6814]

bannned

[@AlwaysNerdyTV]

If Survivor wasnt rigged, explain how every immunity idol is found on camera. Ill wait. Please dont make up facts or be making assumptions.

[@jansonshrock2859]

One of my best friends I grew up with got diagnosed with Leukemia when he was 11 (ryan-cole weldon-carol his name), and he ended up getting a wish from the make a wish foundation (I was invited to his party where his wish got revealed. They submit a number of wishes and the organization tries to get their top most choice). At the time this was completely unprecedented and the first time survivor had ever done something like this, but because survivor was the show he and his family would binge in the hospital to help him fight through it, his wish was getting to be with the production team on their cruise ship they stay on when they filmed survivor (i think it was around the time of survivor 22-24 ish but dont quote me). He and his mom were the some of the first ever non-production related people allowed on "set" of survivor, including the families of the contestants. Basically the production crew knows where the idols are, and they have the drone/helicopter footage they use to get overhead shots of challenges to see when someone is getting close to an idol, and they get a camera there. Other ways they have done it is that they have go pros set up everywhere along footpaths already for just in between shots of them walking to and from places, and there's certain unspoken rules about where an idol could be, like it's not actually too far off a beaten path usually, but you can't use go pro cameras as clues because those are everywhere already. If all else fails, they don't like doing it but sometimes they will re-shoot someone finding an idol, or they ask the survivors to film themselves finding an idol if they go searching for one in the middle of the night just so that it can be verified that they got the same idol that the production crew left for them. The thing is that the show is one of the best shows of all time not just for ratings, but also behind the scenes it's one of the best and most complex camera jobs someone can get. The amount of footage they comb through for editing in any particular episode is massive. And a big reason they did not allow any non-production members until they started doing make a wish was SO they could keep it a legitimate game but get every shot they can. They really are just THAT good at getting a camera in the right place at the right time.

[@Matias47507]

@@AlwaysNerdyTV I read that the players sometimes find the idol without cameras and productions makes them act like they just found it. It makes sense

[@shannoncronin5139]

Season 47, episode 6 Spoilers!!! At the immunity challenge, the last part of balancing section.... Clear as day, pause it and check Kyle's feet. The back part (heel) of his back foot is on a wider section of the balance beam he is not suppose to be on, and yet they called him winner when clearly he had an unfair advantage that should have disqualified him according to the rules. I have screenshots to prove it. And it wasn't subtle. It was VERY apparent while watching the challenge without pausing even. I'm really surprised I haven't heard/seen a single person bring this up it was so easy to see. If you don't believe me, go ahead and frame by frame it, the last 20 seconds give or take of the challenge. Kyle cheated. Nobody called it. And it wasn't even just a little bit.

[@theimperfectcrafterny]

Wow I'm sure he didn't think he was because no one said anything.

[@mattmohr8278]

First? I might actually be first? Wow haha Love your content man!

[@theninjagamer1]

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