Perkeo holding Canio hostage (Unseeded World Record)

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Second attempt at the Canio World Record. We found Cryptid very early, but finding Immolate is proving difficult once again.
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[@Cheetahhh]

Wow. The RNG on this one is gut wrenching. Where's the immolate, man?

[@qcom1008]

The minecraft to balatro pipeline is no joke

[@limbolegs]

wow i used to watch u play the bridge what are u doing here man?

[@singularbutter7194]

love your videos prof, helping me so much at getting better at balatro. 107/120 stakes done, going for the completionist+ :) keep it up!!

[@isocle]

I think there might be something to the idea of using Seance instead of Sixth Sense to get the spectral cards. Can play more than one per round, can copy with blueprint/brainstorm, and doesn't require a constant stream of new sixes to feed into Sixth Sense. I think if your deck is set up for it, it'd be way less RNG reliant than Sixth Sense.

[@altastral]

it can work, but in practice, you need a _very_ tightly tuned deck to consistently hit Seance just once per round. it's also nearly impossible to guarantee multiple SF's per round - even if your entire deck is three copies each of AKQJ10 in a single suit, you could end up with all 10's at the bottom of the deck and then you only get to play one. with hand size >=10 you can guarantee two, but you probably don't have much hand size if you're taking Ectoplasms. mixed ranks also synergize poorly with late-game jokers like Baron and The Idol Sixth Sense doesn't require you to think about any of this stuff lol. I can't blame the prof for biasing towards it

[@tsawy6]

One annoying thing is that you simultaneously was a get fat deck manipulation online via purples and move towards baron. I am inclined to agree with you, but it is tricky

[@tsawy6]

​@altastral tbh you're overstating how hard it is to get straight flushes. Straights are very consistent with 40 cards in deck, and with a 3-6 suit changers so are flushes

[@isocle]

​​@@altastral Good points, but I also think the throughput of Seance is better to the point where it's worth doing. Without blueprint or brainstorm, you only have to hit the straight flush once per round to be at parity with Sixth Sense. With them, you could hit the straight flush once per ante and still be at parity. I think you could easily ramp up to 4-5x the spectral card generation with Seance, but even playing one straight flush a round is doable lategame.

[@michaelrich2491]

Holy! I can't believe I had the right Idea in the last video! I was wondering why pareidolia wasn't being used turns out I just wasn't in the thinking about the right phase of the plan!

[@dontuserachelslurs]

It was being used a lot in the last video for parking mohnee

[@mr_maestro]

1:13:22 Hold up. You had a Midas Mask and Ticket available at the same time. Re-rolled the shop and got them both _again?!_ Yet no immolate. The improbable happening in the wrong ways.

[@jamiehamme3]

Wtf I didnt even notice, that is some mindboggling rng

[@teck8777]

1/2 to ectoplasme the 6's sense and the professor did it...He is buit differently

[@drspectred]

didn't even think about Sixth Sense LOL I guess, considering how long we've been waiting without Immolate or Antimatter, and considering the Negative Pareidolia was already kind of a "miss," I wouldn't have been too upset to mark this one down as a loss.

[@LettuceGayming]

5:55 we love a trans king

[@Lockerus]

Oryx the Taken King?

[@martinthemarine920]

i love you lettucegayming your comments make me happy keep living girl 🏳️‍⚧️

[@limbolegs]

o7 yessir

[@life-destiny1196]

@@Lockerus oh, that guy in the back of the room?

[@tobiasbraun5014]

10:37 This man is just radical on the hung men

[@the_g_almighty]

The thumbnails u create are so silly its great

[@SourabhDas95]

Would it have made sense to use up most of the cryptids on the 6's and 8's and some kings, while they were being generated to try get to the immolate faster? I know the argument for saving up cryptids for the endgame, but i was just thinking... each additional cryptid also reduces the chance of copying the new spectral cards generated, leading to a lot of repeats and a sixth sense bottleneck for a lot of extra rounds. Basically if you aimed for maximizing the chance for copying the new spectral card generated each round by keeping the existing negatives down to one each, you could get to the immolate faster, then delete everything else, get a blueprint/brainstorm to replace the sixth sense earlier, and make up for the cryptids you didn't spend time copying earlier by gaining additional rounds of an extra blueprint or brainstorm on perkeo. Also once you have the immolate, the deck bloat from using the cryptids earlier don't really matter as it can easily be shrunk down and rebuilt up with kings very quickly.

[@drspectred]

Holding many Cryptids makes it less likely to get Negatives of new Spectrals. By the same logic, attempting to hold onto more different Spectrals also makes it less likely to get Negatives of new Spectrals. At the end of the day, the goal is to create and destroy as many cards as possible. Every Cryptid is +2 to Canio, and every non-Cryptid is two less cards to destroy later. You don't necessarily need to find Immolate super quickly, as long as you find it eventually. You make Cryptids in the early game and then switch to copying mostly Immolates later.

[@SourabhDas95]

@@drspectred That's fair! I guess my thinking was in conjunction with the extra joker slot that the 6th sense takes up (and I guess this would also be true for pareidolia if it wasn't negative) - maximizing the chance of getting immolate earlier could be worth it for the additional antes you could get before baron and mime become necessary. So yes, the more negative spectral cards you're holding onto, the less the likelihood of hitting the new spectral card, but each additional card does make a difference. Say you have 7 unique negatives already, but no more than one copy of each, perkeo (let's say with one brainstorm and blueprint) still has a solid 30% chance of hitting the new card at least once, as opposed to when there's 30 cryptids (and a handful of other negatives) where it might be closer to 10% or less. So in theory, if you maximize getting everything you want out of 6th sense so you can free up that joker slot as soon as possible (and in theory, two joker slots in a world where ectoplasm doesn't hit pareidolia) for a blueprint, or brainstorm or even DNA, lets say, 5 or 6 antes earlier, would that make up for the fewer cryptid hits during the immolate search? And also I guess, is the 5 or 6 antes earlier close to realistic, or too ambitious of an estimate? 😄

[@tsawy6]

Are we sure its not possible to just spam cryptids and surround ourselves with six to eight odd hung men every round through purples?

[@SourabhDas95]

7:15 I'm looking for a 6 for sixth sense, gold cards, purples, blue seal *beat drops*

[@embuardia194]

This would be a very different game if sixth sense worked on more than just the first hand

[@isocle]

Seance works on more than the first hand.

[@westeralex1]

Because of how the queue system works for balatro would it have been worth it to just never open a spectral pack except maybe if one is in the shop before the boss blind. You wouldn't see as many spectral cards but you eliminate the chance of seeing what you want and not being able to take it

[@drspectred]

The booster queue is separate from the queue for Spectral generators. Separate or not, each individual card generation is independent of every other.

[@tsawy6]

Also, even if they shared a cue it wouldn't matter, there's no way to know that this one you skip is gonna be immolate vs the one you need to get past to get immolate

[@westeralex1]

@@tsawy6 the point was to eliminate the odds of getting something you can't use but as the professor said it's a separate queue so it's just irrelevant

[@tsawy6]

@@westeralex1 nah but like... if i flipped a coin 10 times, and wrote down the results, and said: "you need to get one head, pick two of them", there is no optimal strategy. Picking 1 and 2 is just as good as 2 and 3. This is analagous to the cue situation

[@praticle]

if mario was French would his brother would be le ouija?

[@estes_was_here]

Killing me with the rng

[@Avelia-videofr]

just a silly question but from the point where you were chasing emmolate onwards why didn't you start by playing a 6 without the caniot cloning and then do your discard and reroll ? that would have helped the odds quite a bit I think (while costing like 1 bucks per rounds so not a lot)

[@drspectred]

When I get a Spectral card, I want to hold onto it until the next Round for the small chance of Perkeo copying it. While holding onto a Spectral card, I have less consumable slots for Purple Seals, so I prefer to do the 6 at the end of the round, after I've already used all my Discards.

[@Avelia-videofr]

@@drspectred yeah true I didn't see that thanks

[@isocle]

​@@Avelia-videofr I think your strategy would have worked better, even with the reduced purple seal value. Having 3x the chance to perkolate the non-negative spectral card likely would have sped up the search for immolate by reducing the remaining pool of spectral cards significantly.

[@ЛитвинчукСтепан]

9:09 what are the odds

[@ImNetheN]

if all shop items were jokers and he didnt have hone it wouldve been 0.0004589637194 or 0.046% (i think), idk what it actually is tho thats the probability of any of the 2 jokers being foil red card, if it has to be the right one specifically, it's 0.023%

[@teck8777]

I personally see 2 major "bad" decisions that made this run so...precarious. 1. Not having purchased the vaucher card. This makes card acquisition MUCH more difficult. 2. Not having sold pareidolia. Although it could have decreased the scaling, having an additional useful joker is just too important. And then it would have been possible to switch to the purple king much earlier if it had been mandatory for scale. I don't claim to be better or anything. I'm just having fun applying the theory that I learned after hundreds of hours of playing and listening to the professor's videos.

[@michaelrich2491]

Not trying to be rude or a know it all but selling the pareidolia wouldn't do much of anything as it's in its negative state.

[@teck8777]

@@michaelrich2491 I'm talking about exactly that. The "good" decision would have been to sell it so that it could not become negative.

[@drspectred]

Didn't take the Magic Trick thinking I could pick it up later and needed to keep the shop queue clean for picking up some important Jokers. You never know how many of those important Jokers would have been playing cards instead. Later on, adding cards to the deck is actually free, since you need to use Cryptids to survive higher Antes. Getting enough copies of Immolate (while still having enough Cryptids to survive) is the hard part. Negative Pareidolia was not optimal, for sure, but the probability of Ectoplasm hitting Pareidolia was low enough that I felt it was worth pulling the trigger. It's worth noting that Pareidolia is worth at least +100 on Canio. If we didn't have Pareidolia making Canio as big early on, we would have needed more points from another source.

[@teck8777]

@@drspectred You're right. This is why I speak of a “bad” decision, because I say it knowing the result of the decision. And for pareidolia, it would have been possible to switch only to purple kings rather than the 8 which would not have affected the scaling too much. but hey, if I was really better than you, the WR would be in my hands...and it is obviously not the case.

[@manueldoll8578]

I kinda feel like you should have always used those cryptids, hovering around maybe 3 or 4 of them in your Inventory. If you´re gonna use them to make kings and sixes anyways might as well do it early and a lot, just so it´s more likely to get those negative spectrals you were always too unlucky to get.... Either way terrible luck tho

[@Jazzacobham20]

I had these thoughts as well, but Professor said elsewhere in the comments that the cryptids are needed to survive the higher antes

[@drspectred]

Every cryptid that you make is +2 for Canio. You want to make as many Cryptids as possible at all stages of the run.

[@manueldoll8578]

@@drspectred actually? I feel like it's way more important to get to the state where you have a cryptid and an immolate as early as possible cause that will quickly make up for the small losses with not needing to copy anything else anymore and with having the extra joker slot (no more 6 sense needed) But you're the prof, I don't have the time / endurance to try it for myself so I'll just trust uou

[@life-destiny1196]

@@manueldoll8578 A big issue is that trying to percolate two things at once is unstable; once you get a lopsided distribution, Perkeo will continue to make copies of the majority most of the time.

[@ethanvann7226]

I'm not familiar enough with Lua or balatros code to know for sure but if spectral cards from 6th sense are pulled from a pool generated with some random number would it be possible with enough 6th sense procs that you could crack the state of that generator to know what spectral cards are coming when?

[@isocle]

Each ante has its own set of queues, that when something needs a new generated item from, pulls from those queues in order. We know then which antes that the next spectral cards will be x, y, z, always in that order, regardless of what asks for the next spectral card. So we could know which antes to burn the sixes on and which antes to not bother. But this is only relevant to seeded records because we don't know the seed until he loses this run.

[@ethanvann7226]

@@isocle if the rng is working as I am assuming then even in unseeded with enough triggers you could reverse the state of the rng because there is a finite number of starting seeds and a progressively lower number of them will have x card as the first and x card as the second and so on. but with it resetting each ante its unlikely there is enough information to figure out the rng seed.

[@tsawy6]

​@@ethanvann7226 to be totally honest in thoroughly uninterested in that level of manipulation in unseeded runs. In seeded runs, awesome, the more powerful tools the better, but it feels scummy in seeded

[@life-destiny1196]

@@ethanvann7226 I've also wondered if this is possible. Isocle's description is correct, but on the other hand, you get a lot of information very quickly in Balatro. There are roughly 2e12 seeds possible, since a seed is represented by an alphanumeric string with eight characters (I'm assuming homoglyphs are cut, but I am not sure how many that is, and I'd be surprised if that put it under 1e12). Here's the information available to you in a given ante: 1. Two jokers per shop (150 of them, plus 22 tarot, and some planets, playing cards, and spectral cards depending on what you've unlocked; and more if you have Overstock) 2. Six booster packs per shop, and the contents if you buy them (the first one is guaranteed to be a Buffoon) 3. One voucher per ante, maybe more if you take a voucher skip 4. Three skip tags (some are banned in Ante 1) 5. The boss (some are banned in Ante 1) 6. Additional shop information from rerolls 7. The approximate order of some of your deck in each blind (but not all of it, and it might be hard to tell the order of each draw within itself) By comparison, there are something like 8e67 possible shuffles of a 52-card deck. There are, unless my logic is wrong here, 1e15 possible starting hands for decks with 9 hand size (52!/43!), so that information alone is likely enough to cut the possible seeds down to a tiny number. That depends somewhat on the specifics of the RNG though (for example the bugged seeds that start with all of the same card on Erratic Deck will interfere). Like, I'm not sure what I'm missing here, but I'd be shocked if it's not possible to crack a seed before you are given it in Ante 8.

[@peterthomson1989]

anyone in the comments know what the percentages of each of the joker rarities appearing in the shop?

[@drspectred]

25% Uncommon, 5% Rare.

[@peterthomson1989]

thanks!

[@DarkseidTCG]

Is there a mod that changes the jonkler names?

[@drspectred]

There is! If you join our Discord (either by one-time Twitch sub or minimum ko-fi contribution), we have a BalatroU "Language" Mod.

[@DarkseidTCG]

@drspectred awesome. I subbed on twitch, I'm a boomer so I have no idea where I get the discord info from lol.

[@drspectred]

@@DarkseidTCG In Discord settings, look for "connections"

[@skeome]

Disclaimer: I could be completely wrong I've noticed that Perkeo tends to have a higher chance of choosing the same card if you have the same consumable cards over multiple rounds (i.e. Perkeo copies a card you don't want copied, and you only sell that card without making/using any other consumables, leaving the same card amount and configuration) It's definitely not 100%, but from what I've seen, it happens more often than not. I think it's worth noting when a scenario like that happens, as well as what card slot got copied. Maybe changing the order changes the rng, but I think it's worth a try to move the card you want copied into that slot Edit: Autocorrect and grammar fixes

[@drspectred]

The source code is readable, and we know this isn't how it works. Perkeo chooses uniformly from all available cards held. And then Blueprint choose uniformly from the new set of cards, and so on.

[@skeome]

​@drspectred I get that, that's my understanding of perkeo and brainstorm I just noticed that perkeo tends to choose the same slot when you have the same consumable configuration over the course of your last 30 videos. I get that it chooses randomly, but the game is pseudo-pseudorandom. If it randomly chooses the 3rd slot, you delete it and don't make any more changes to your consumables, then chooses the 3rd slot again. Maybe it is ACTUALLY random, maybe your luck with perkeo isn't the best so he's choosing the same slot, or maybe what I said is in addition to how perkeo works. I've never suggested the idea before because of that, but I've started to see it happen too often to ignore, hence the disclaimer