Perma Column Foundation | Missouri Deck Build | Ep 1

[@MichaelSmith-cc4cr]

Thank you for posting this! I've been studying the Perma-Column product with preassembled glulam columns for a pole barn project. Getting the post hole locations and depth accurate would seem essential. Oversizing the holes gives some latitude on placement, but hole depth is hard to control or correct without disturbing the earth. I'm almost back to concrete footers after watching how much care and effort it took you to achieve accurate placement.

[@steveo9408]

Your Papa should be proud!!!

[@sharonmilton4854]

Yay! I'm so glad I caught your video!

[@MrPostFrame]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@rickmorin8840]

One of those mud mixers where you plug into 120 and connect a water hose. Then start dumping bags of pre mixed concrete and it comes out the chute. Great for this kind of job.

[@carolinepaltz324]

I can’t tell you how important it is to really listen to that last part! I speak from experience as a DIY home builder. You NEED MULTIPLE PEOPLE if you are not experienced at this when dealing with wet setting brackets into concrete! We also “thought” we had a well thought out plan and we were poorly mistaken. If it wasn’t for this guy and his team just showing up to help us with our piers we wouldn’t have got it done and it would have been a colossal failure on our part. Trust me these guys that do this are in tremendous shape and know what they are doing. That is why it APPEARS to look easier than it is.

[@daddygoat]

Frost will pinch! You would be amazed. I had P.T. 6"x6" posts in the ground 5' - on concrete cookies, and the area was prone to water...well, sure enough, one cold winter, the frost pinched (2) posts up almost 6". It was a brutal lesson. I love that column comes with the "Up-Lift Kit"!

[@JBernhard72]

I used 4 of the 6x6PC for my 10'x10' hot tub deck... but with a 24" round, 6" high footers. triple 2x10 beams, 2x10 joists, 2x6 "decking" . ROCK SOLID!

[@MrPostFrame]

Great to hear!

[@bronco797]

My buddy just had his home built with these ,but I think they put concrete around them. I didn't get to see them installed. Enjoyed the video.

[@MrPostFrame]

Great, thanks for watching!

[@nicolausranker8521]

A good strong shop vac with the tube attached to the end of the hose works awesome for cleaning out post holes! Acts like a dredge. The shop vac also works really well when repairing French drain pipes. It allows you to get the dirt from around the drain pipe without it falling under the pipe and creating a hump in your pipe. Saves your back too from trying to hand clean a trench or hole.

[@schmiddy2512]

Was waiting for you or Kyle to do something with these. Have thoughts of building a barndominium myself and because of the supply issues with concrete and some other materials I thought this might be a great option for us to get the project moving without the delays of waiting for those supplies. Only other videos I’ve really seen of these are by the company, so its good to see you actually working with them and giving your opinion on them without it being sponsored by them. Thanks so much for the video, looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you finish.

[@MrPostFrame]

Glad I was able to help you. I'm planning on building a post frame structure on my property with these.

[@brianshaw3281]

@@MrPostFrame I built a bar addition with these, come with 2x6x3 laminated attached. 5' of cement & 16' of laminated for post. They work awesome!!

[@nathankrueger8346]

Used 39 of these on a project in madison. Ours were 8.25”x5.5”x7’-definitely loved using some chains and a telehandler

[@jeffsloan6946]

Nice to see how these work. Thanks for making a video on these

[@MrPostFrame]

You bet

[@viankalobosvalenzuela7456]

Excelente trabajo saludos 👍👌

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks!

[@nneelix]

@MrPostFrame, curious if you calculated out the load bearing weight of those pads under the perma columns. Looks like you are using a 12" pad, that works out to 0.785 sf. Using a guesstimate of 2500 psf load bearing for your soil, you have about 2000 pounds of support per column. For a 12' deck with 1ft over hang you are bearing about 6.5 ft of deck on your beam that is supported by column every 8 ft; that works out to about 52 sq ft of deck supported on each column. I dont know what your code is out there, but I personally wouldn't use anything less than 60 psf for live load plus another 10 dead for the deck (or 70 psf total). 70 psf x 52 sq ft will give you roughly 3600 lbs per column. Those pads are giving you about half of the support you really should have for a deck that size. If the pads are 16" round, you up the weight bearing to 3500 lbs per column.

[@Z-Bart]

One heck of a lot of work but...those columns were the clear cats meow for that job.

[@MrPostFrame]

Definitely...I'm going to build a structure on my property with these but use my skid steer to set them.

[@daddygoat]

Someone needs to build a concrete batch plant for the little guys!

[@BK-fy2xi]

I see who you get your inclination to wear crocks on the job from 😂😂😂

[@CCRep123]

😂

[@MrPostFrame]

Ha

[@jhippl]

very nice, ive been looking at those to go with a small post frame barn kit. Do you think adding a bag or two of quikcrete at the bottom just to cover the uplift bracket and then add on gravel/dirt would hurt the bracket?

[@MrPostFrame]

You could do that...not required. I'm going to build a structure on my property with these and I'm going to use gravel and dirt.

[@jhippl]

@@MrPostFrame I look forward to that, I know I am small time compared to y'all I am just looking to build a barn and maybe a small house. So learning the whole concrete step would make it even more so user friendly.

[@157-40_T]

Just to clarify: Had you had the space, would you have used concrete vs rock to fill columns?

[@MrPostFrame]

No, I would still fill as I did. I'm going to use them on a structure on our property and I'll do them the same way. Concrete isn't required, however you do need to make sure you completely compact the rock.

[@rudyrivera7426]

👌👍

[@danielfurr5409]

How much are these per perma column with pad? Its hard to find actual price.

[@i8dapuszy]

im using these perma columns for the first time tomorrow and i cant fine an answer online. they only sent out the column, the base, and a bolt with a washer. there's threads on the bottom of the column; is it supposed to bolt to the base somehow or just sit right on top of it?

[@MrPostFrame]

So you got the Perma-column, the footing pad? The column just sits on the footing pad. Here is some install material…you may already have this. www.midwestpermacolumn.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Perma-Column-Installation-Guide-2020-3.pdf

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