Perpetual Battery - Powered By Water

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The patent number is 4,153,757

[@oldblinddarby2498]

This also works if you follow water through the tubes, from one into another, but with a non-conductive section connecting the tubes end to end. This, put in parallel (picture war following through and around a bundle of straws) , with all tubes connected in series using appropriate wire, increases surface area contact and therefore voltage.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

that's interesting mate - cheers

[@scottduede8134]

I really like to see these videos demonstrating reproducible results in existing research. I teach my kids about the philosophy of science, and these results are spot on.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

awesome mate

[@DjTatty]

so if you applied it to a vehicles radiator system which pumps hot water around the system, then you'll generate a small amount of power.

[@martinhoult]

how would it do in a salt water environment say a salt water tide movement and salt may increase power out put ?

[@justtinkering6713]

What is the chemical make up of the river? Alkaline or Acid?

[@paulosullivan3472]

This has been known for a very long time, it was known in the 1800's as well and was used to charge small capacitors in an experiment in late 1800's (I forget the exact date). Water is a dipolar molecule and allows limited electron stripping from certain metals (like aluminium) but its worth noting, although it will take a long time the aluminium is being used up by this process and would eventually be stripped away. I dont see how he can patent something which has been known for over 100 years though?

[@derekp2674]

Patent law is complex, but allows you to patent improvements to known technologies.

[@paulosullivan3472]

@@derekp2674 Okay fair enough but I fail to see how this improves anything either, it is literally just putting the cathode and anode in flowing water, which was already known 100+ years ago.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

caiotrs still have 100 years plus higher energy

[@brettmoore3194]

Hey friend would a electrode holder setup like a tuning fork so the electrode would vibrate if tuned properly. Just my view from my box.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question

[@QuoVadistis]

Could this be efficient than the common hydroelectric methods?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question

[@darina3542]

Have you seen Wilhelm Reich cloud buster Putting the end in the stream

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

ah I see - no I haven't

[@JeremiahLutherPritchett]

Love it Mr Smith. Genius insightful educational practical applied science. You’re the man thank you for producing such consistently awesome content

[@preppertechnicianee6013]

Well this isnt practical but it sure as hell is awesome Hopefully a better design will pop up

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate and thanks for taking the time to say so

[@williamblair1123]

@@preppertechnicianee6013 What would you consider a practical invention? Do you have anything to share?

[@preppertechnicianee6013]

@@williamblair1123 a more efficient version of this As he said this is about experimentation and sharing ideas This is cool It's fun but as said not yet practical possibly will never be Yes I do on my channel Actually

[@williamblair1123]

@@preppertechnicianee6013 Would you send me your link, thanks.

[@btryba]

After the rubber band battery, I was half expecting Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm (really cool device). When you view batteries as devices as holding one form of energy and converting it to another, there are lots of batteries in life.

[@stever197037]

I would like to see the same. I was thinking about doing one. With plastic film to wick water back upwards like a blood test strip does. A wide panel of them so enough water mat reach the top. It would be perpetual energy and motion.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yep - lots of sources of energy if we look

[@ronaldd2154]

How about "magnetic" energy stored in magnets? Arranged / setup in such a way to harness it? Very popular "free energy" device 😂..... Im sure there's a way to do it, but no set recipe to follow, and MANY "fake" vids. Not to mention people dissapearing......

[@DFPercush]

@@ronaldd2154 You could perhaps store energy in a magnetic field, like springloading something, but a magnet is like a mountain, it doesn't produce energy by itself. Things have to move up and down it to do any work.

[@82NeXus]

@@stever197037 Wicking fluid upwards against gravity is capillary action. Look it up and see if you can create a perpetual motion machine of one kind or another out of it...

[@CDinkle]

I'm sure you thought of this, but you can increase the amount of surface electrons by increasing the surface area. In this case, using a spring (or coiled wire) with a coil diameter that is equal to the tube diameter, and a gauge diameter that is the same as the tube thickness (OD-ID)/2, would increase the surface area. I ran a quick algebraic comparison of surface areas in MATLAB and it's not very much (~5% increase), but you could probably vary the gauge diameter and coil diameter to get better results.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I did mate - but that doesn't matter - the posts here are read by folks and the info you posted is shared with the community and that is awesome - thanks for that

[@spackerinternational6131]

@@ThinkingandTinkering you did think of it or you did try it?

[@realflow100]

Try very thin strips/sheets rolled up together in a spiral roll with a neutral separator like paper towel or something. You'll get enormously higher output current!

[@peterleyland6996]

Lovely, thanks for doing the leg work. I am wondering what happens in sea water?

[@2dbuy]

Let the motion of the ocean do the work.

[@sarchlalaith8836]

And this is why I'm subscribed, because this is brilliant. Looking forward to your replication of his radio running rig, with efficiency in modern electrics being what it is you might be able to run led lights in your home. Love the channel, never miss a video, making the otherwise exclusory jargon relatable to everyone is a gift you have Robert. Hey what happened with your chlorophyll battery stuff that you found more efficient than graphene?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@martinvanbrabant9374]

love it

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

It's like Blue Peter for adults.

[@codedesigns9284]

Excellent demonstration and very insightful. Does the distance between the brass and aluminum (delta) increase or decrease the overall output current? How about the length of the tubes? This has great “potential”!

[@mudfossiluniversity]

The heater is making the EXTRA electric bits...it is not really functional

[@3dpchiron709]

Wondering if the water was in a sealed chamber at (or close to) vacuum, might it require less heating up (since boiling point reduces along with lower pressure)? Also, when you mentioned the importance of flow directionality in the river it made me think of the ion wind effect.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice thought mate

[@jaminoes_]

I like watching his videos because knowledge is imparted while surrounded by grimy tools and instruments. It is awesome. :D

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - I work at it mate not just think about it - cheers

[@jaminoes_]

@@ThinkingandTinkering I'm not complaining. :) Keep doing what you do!

[@robertjames1259]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks Robert

[@paulmurphy3838]

Continuing on this Perpetual Battery theme Mr Murray-smith, I came across an M.I.T. publication of Dec 2018 where Professor Thomas Cooper from the University of York had built a high temperature solar collector that produced up to 146 C of steam. It could be used for sterilising medical utensils, desalination of water, and I wonder if it could be used to produce hot water to power your Perpetual Battery. I would be interested in your opinion. The M.I.T. research was supported by the MIT Abdul Latif Jameel Water and Food Systems Lab.

[@TheJunkyardgenius]

Very interesting! How many amps and volts did they larger 8 block version make? It would be interesting to have a half or full sheet of polystyrene insulation as a flotation device in the river tethered to the edge with hundreds of rows of these the full width of the sheet to see how much power could be produced and does an increased flow generate more power.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I milliamp, 5.1 kOhm - V=IR will give volts mate

[@sideswipe147]

That's what I was thinking...

[@sideswipe147]

@@ThinkingandTinkering so roughly 1.96x10 -⁰⁰⁷ volts seems rediculously small unless I'm just not doing the math right. Me and electricity math don't seem to get on well.

[@sabaistiantrebor9417]

I wonder if one placed this battery in a vacuum(or half of it) that it would produce a small current? My belief is this is a form or configuration of a thermal electrical generator, thus 1/2 in a partial vacuum and other half in normal atmosphere should produce a charge, the 2 rodes/pipes may need to touch, not sure... yes, no , maybe?

[@puttingtechniques]

Great vid again😁 just wondering if it works in a saline / salt water environment. We live on an Island with a tidal movement of 30-40 metres and tidal speeds in estuaries can reach 10 knots plus. We can use this lower easily 😁✌️❤️🤘

[@haridaspanicker5888]

I just read it and is impressed. Could this array produce power if placed in a boiler that is heated by solar rays?

[@Kopie0830]

For free energy, I was thinking to the size of wind catchers that would wiggle the prongs thus creating more energy.

[@ArtII2Long]

Everything said and shown was technically correct ... almost. I wish he had reported the results of the final battery; voltage and current. He showed a number but I couldn't tell if it was microamps or millivolts. I admit that battery will last a long time, but not forever.

[@ThisTall]

So because you couldn’t see the number displayed, he wasn’t technically correct? Lol Are you the final arbiter of absolute truth and fact? Cause you sure talk like you are. Maybe you’re much more confident then you should be.

[@Tore_Lund]

The scale was mA, so he was getting around 1 Amp! Which is impressive. However No Words in the voltage, not in the patent either? IT might be possible to connect these cells in series in the same body of water, if They are far enough apart, like a spiky cable, with electrodes Pairs sticking out every foot? The you just have ten feet of cable to lay in a stream for power in your camp!

[@webtrekkeruk2487]

@@Tore_Lund No. The scale was *micro* amps so he was getting only around 1mA current.

[@Slider2732]

Aluminium and brass hmm, will try it. Nephilim Penny here is a uA blocking oscillator (twin large pancake coils) and flashing LED output. She's been running since 2011 on water, for the last 2 years on melted snow. Galv steel and copper would see the steel rot after 3 months... but with tiny bits taken from a 10ft x 6ft sheet it'll last forever lol. Used to shake it to gain power, which links with this. Also, it picks up when the sun shines through the kitchen window onto the pills bottle water container, another link. Will try out the Al and brass :)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

that is awesome work mate - thanks for sharing

[@PressToDigitate]

If the movement of the water is the operative element; "ditch the ditch", with Heron's Fountain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYrRnZV8mZlojJo As with combining your Carbon-based Evaporative Charge Separation with Kelvin's Thunderstorm, there is a way to improve on the one side of the process, by adding the other side. Numerous configurations of Heron's Fountain (and Boyle's) are documented on KZbin, with improvements that portend keeping them in an Open Cycle state; i.e. 'perpetual'. It certainly seems a natural fit, if what is really going on is charge exchange with the passing ions in solution. This could be tested with Deionized Water, as opposed to Tap Water (and further enhanced with electrolytes).

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice ideas mate - thanks for sharing

[@btryba]

In response to David: You won't ever get anything "perpetual". Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Kelvin's water dropper uses gravity to separate charges in water. Heron's fountain uses gravity to build pressure to push water up. The closest you'll get is by converting matter into energy, but the government's of the world prefer that common citizens refrain from nuclear endeavors. Robert's use of "perpetual" is correct. The device will exist perpetually minus the natural decay of the materials but that will take a long time.

[@PressToDigitate]

@@btryba Energy can be extracted from the ambient environment - including, in particular, the Quantum Vacuum - "perpetually", if one creates an Open System. Mating Kelvin's Water Dropper with the Evaporative Charge Separator which Rob previously demonstrated would represent a system in 'perpetual motion', with gravity and ambient heat (including solar) furnishing unlimited free energy inputs to the system.

[@rastamanralph6670]

You could heat it from solar too and free energy here we come. Just one problem,don't make it public unless you might get a surprise visit from the people who don't want that technology becoming well known to the public. Mr teslonian has a good channel showing all kinds of different ways to generate electricity too.

[@captaindavejseddon8788]

Absolutely brilliant experiment, love it. It could be used as a flow rate sensor maybe or a trickle charger, nav light generator for boats. I live on a cruiser so I'm going to make some of these.

[@sofa-lofa4241]

Cool, I would love to see the plate version, Would be interesting to see what you could produce with a large surface area

[@DanielSMatthews]

Try open-cell aluminium foam and copper foam with the copper foam having been soaked in molten zinc to infuse the surface and convert it to brass.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

give it a go mate

[@robertjames1259]

Yes give it a gaggle. Battery

[@robertjames1259]

Love your down to nature analog s And love your laugh out load. Get er it. Done As you do

[@samuelthomasengardio]

@@ThinkingandTinkering Just built a pretty sophisticated plate version. It produces 5Ma, water velocity hasn't amounted to a relevant variable. Short circuit voltage is 0.137 volts. I really think I'm missing something here.

[@hoverhead047]

What would happen if you connected those "cells" in series instead of parallel?

[@TheBaconWizard]

that was series.

[@klincecum]

@@TheBaconWizard look again

[@TheBaconWizard]

@@klincecum Beg pardon, quite correct..

[@bryansicard7577]

You’re awesome! Thanks for bringing your curious explorations to the masses. 3:05 so perfectly captures what holds me to this channel; made me smile! Thanks mate, you’re changing my world.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Awesome, thank you mate for taking the time to say so

[@uncledodge9396]

I really enjoy your videos, as covid has left me without employment I'm finding loads of different things to occupy my time with, and as a top licence holder for Ham Radio I do have a good little workshop and plenty of electrical supplies so my poor bank account doesn't get hurt too much! Keep up the good work sir, I look forward to the next video! Note, just wondering if one of these 'batteries' could be made on a larger scale and dropped into a river behind a moored float? that would be interesting.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it would be mate have a read at the patent - that should help answer your question and maybe give a bit of direction

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

I noticed the same thing years back working with scariac's. I just used the mag stir bar. Plus, I thought I had same material for both electrodes. Stainless probably. My research papers in that stint were melted by a flood = gone. However, I do remember that my hypothesis is that the effect is due to the triboelectric effect/static. Was planning on using pipes to explore further. Consider a 2 legged experiment where one set was using PVC couplings(series) and one set using parallel paths with T-couplings. Conductive pipes with liquid running inside, separated by non-conductive couplings. That notion eludes to yet another hypothesis: There is likely a 'micro-organization' in the fluid which is short circuiting b/c we cannot make wires out of soup. Hence potential will not build b/c there is no separation to create the potential 'difference'

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I think you are son the right lines there mate

[@DrBretPalmer]

I wonder how much of an increase you would get if you added salt? Or would it become corrosive? Looks like I'll be putting this together myself 😀

[@lastfirst5689]

My mind goes crazy with possibilities after watching Robert's vids then I remember I'm not super brainy like Robert

[@steven161183]

This is crazy. I wonder if the length of the rods has an effect.

[@GEBrown]

Kinda makes one want build one's house beside a river!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - yep

[@peterlang777]

Van down by the river! Skip the house ! :-)

[@remoconan8720]

Build your house on a pontoon with an array of these under the water. Also the pontoon with a layering system of piezo electric crystals in an array then the floor to cover the crystals, all is needed is the river motion and if you are walking on the floor for the compression to press on the crystals.Two energy generating systems. Also you could create a turbine system upstream combined with the whirlpool effect with mini magnetic pipe fans designed around the Tesla turbine, which seems to push water out of a pipe really fast. Additionally an array of these downstream from the aforementioned Tesla turbine which pushes a jet stream of water out to flow past these devices. Then you have solar array on your roof combined with a wind turbine, added to wind turbine Robert's earlier work with reverse magnetic speaker coils generating energy from the movement of wind on a vibrating reed. Also my favourite that is already produced is the Gravilights, they are on KZbin, a wonderful lighting system.

[@glenhac5973]

@@remoconan8720 what you got there is hair raising house boat! Won't need to comb your hair in the morning! It will otomaticaly stand!

[@0isay]

@@remoconan8720 Great ideas! I suspect, however, that piezos will break all the time, breaking the circuit. You'd need bypass diodes, I guess.

[@justme.9711]

That was on Amps? How many volts did it make?

[@chemprofdave]

You never showed the voltage? And if water flow is so important, what happens to the cell when you take it to the stream and change the orientation? I would appreciate a graph of angle vs. voltage and/or current to support the notion that flow direction is relevant. Also, with a current of 20 micro amps it would take many weeks if not years of operation to see any change to the electrodes. A calculation suggests that in some six YEARS of operation you would change the electrode mass by ... one gram.

[@mteca5093]

Couple Questions... if the rods were longer would the volts or amps increase ? Also what is the sweet spot distance between rods for optimum watts ? Tnx

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question

[@LeftyLucyRightyTyty]

This is really awesome....wondering if the effect can be observed with a different fluid.....oh, I don't know...maybe, AIR?

[@peterlang777]

See umass amherst protein nanowire battery

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question

[@DFPercush]

I think it needs to be a conductive fluid.

[@marioflavin2141]

Earlier Coment was Aluminium was down stream

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate - that should help

[@ArtII2Long]

As far as I can tell it shouldn't make any difference.

[@j.r5854]

Straight from the patent (emphasis mine): ". Both electrodes 8 and 10 are of the same size and shape, and are immersed to a depth of about inch in the water. Where electrode 8 was copper and electrode 10 carbon, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 17 microamperes. Where both electrodes were brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 25 microamperes. Where and electrode 10 brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 43 microamperes."

[@Ernie-Tech]

fantastic, what fun to put that to the test. I guess with expensive materials like brass and alu, the 'return-on-investment' with 24µA is beyond the builders' last day on this planet 🙂

[@kevindouglas8768]

That's neat. I like the way you have the parts already assembled in stages ass you describe the build. More YTr's should do that. Keep doing what you're doing Robert :)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I was watching a few how to videos and I got bored watching them drill or saw something as I know how to do that - so I thought I would do the stages thing to stop my vids being boring to me lol

[@dirrtbikekid7]

If it’s just movement of water I have a great idea. Put this set up in a beaker and into a vaccum chamber. Once u take the air pressure away you don’t need heat to over coke to energy to boil. It can boil with no heat Uber vaccum bc the pressure is less on the water. So theoretically you could generate power without having to add external heat

[@johncurran1179]

You have a book or something with all this research ?

[@tommytigert5993]

Definitely should

[@sofa-lofa4241]

You can search for patents online, Another good source, which is used by Rob a lot, is old research papers, there are lots of forgotten ideas and observations going right back to 1800's and beyond

[@The411]

Robert uses scholar.google.com/

[@tommytigert5993]

@@sofa-lofa4241 cool good pointers thanks.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I put it all on youtube mate - it's the resource of the 21st century

[@Berkana]

If you took this to its logical conclusion, how large would you have to make this to get seriously usable power for running things like laptops and phones? What if you use mesh instead of rods for increased surface area? What if you space them closer together?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

read the patent mate

[@strongforce8466]

super cool..and I was just wondering about the chemical/physical reaction, very strange I had the feeling water is generating static electricity ! also what was your reading in the river it was hard to see? can't wait for follow ups!

[@DFPercush]

I wonder if they make brass and aluminum wool like they do with steel. Or scouring pads. Maybe even a mesh bag full of machine chips. More surface area would surely mean more current, right? As long as you don't totally block the flow of water.

[@debently1131]

Makes me wonder if something like that could be applied to moving air to produce a charge like electrostatic air filters that use a pollimer screen to ionize the passing air as it's fluid medium 👍 Strips of brass screen and aluminum screen at a slight angle on your device may improve ion charge transfer.

[@HostileRespite]

Put them in a solar furnace to enhance the effect and heat your home at the same time for bonus points maybe? Heat often amps up static buildup due to friction of the air molecules. Ideally, your screens would pick up and redirect all the ionization out the electrical cables before entering the home though. 😂🤣

[@rudy310]

"Free energy" is always fascinating. Have you ever experimented with molten metal batteries? There is an electric (Birkeland) model of the Sun proposed by the SAFIRE Project and Thunderbolts Project. If they are right, maybe it is possible to replicate the surface of the Sun with some electrochemistry.

[@matsveritas2055]

I knew I would find a video of you trying this! :D I have been fiddling with the idea of producing current from the EZ zone of water, I'm glad I get to see a trusted source.

[@matsveritas2055]

Ok, so... enclose the water container with a hydrophilic material, like dry rice, or a sponge, put a copper coil along the walls of the water container (the Exclusion Zone "EZ"), this is your negative connector, and a copper wire suspended into the center of the container (the Bulk Zone), this is your positive connector, the motion of electrons occurs because of the mysterious social relationship of the water molecule (the least comprehended of the known molecules in chemistry). This should produce amps without you having to add motion, the motion is passively attracted by the hydrophilic material surrounding the water container. Give it a try. :)

[@Infinion]

@@matsveritas2055 Glad to see someone making the connection to Gerald Pollack's work here. Have you seen any other notable apparatuses since then?

[@myrthryn]

You could set up a tank of these and have a water reservoir below that is heated by the sun. Complete the thermosiphon out the top of the tank and into a shaded/cooled area back down into the reservoir. Through the day, the water would warm. Then by insulating the reservoir, couldn't this generate some electricity at night too?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Cool idea

[@xspotbox4400]

My favorite alchemist channel :)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - awesome mate

[@xspotbox4400]

​@@ThinkingandTinkering Sincere respect, your channel has immense educational value. Nobody knows what electricity is, but you Mr. Murray-Smith might be one of few people alive who understand what it can do.

[@msms-rl6zf]

Nice video promising a useful tech. I'm rather unsophisticated so asking simply for voltage and amperage per cell. If economical it would seem every stream or river becomes a viable small source producer and if you made a float to put it in the ocean so wave action could stimulate it...OMG unlimited! And the other materials and liquids this needs to be fully digested to bring low tech to the whole world! Thank you once again.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

glad you liked it mate - thanks for taking the time to post

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Very interesting! I used to visit Canterbury fairly often before the plague as I used to live around there. Of course the immediate thought was of a (model) boat with a small motor, and a sufficient number of streamlined blades towed through the water and see it it would carry on going. Thanks for showing us this Robert!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Thanks for sharing mate - noice one

[@G-ra-ha-m]

@Redrooster That all depends upon _where_ the energy is coming from. Hooking a cable up to the ionosphere (perhaps building a plasma cable with a giant Tesla coil in WardenClyffe) would give you 'free' energy, but that doesn't mean it comes from nowhere. Water is funny stuff and has a variety of properties that vary with contamination, have a look at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6nIo5mplqqDj9U and see what you think. Sometimes boring stuff like water is ignored because we 'know all about it', until (for example) some bright spark has a closer look and discovered it's made of liquid crystals and surface tension can be used by more than pond skater insects. That's why it would be interesting to see a boat powered by it - to find out more about the unknown generation mechanism at work. It could even be a form of 'static' as electrons drift off and get recollected.

[@victorwitness7414]

The blades would create drag. I think it would be better to coat one half of the underside of the boat with copper/brass and the other half with aluminum. With a small neutral strip in between them.

[@ryanlebeck259]

Would you be able to salvage energy from a hydraulic ram pump using this device, and do you think a trompe would boost yield?

[@SteveEh]

To cool, how do you do it every day? Thanks for the video

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I sleep only 3-4 hours lol

[@strongforce8466]

@@ThinkingandTinkering and you're not tired 😮? I thought we needed 7-8hrs to properly "recharge our batteries" lol

[@igorkovinski7713]

Hi Smith, what about using two rods of different surface? Like in an asymmetric condenser

[@williamjohnson1264]

You are a busy man, things just keep on coming out of that active mind ! I was wondering ..would a more electrolitic medium , like salt water in tide flows produce more result ?... just a thought, great stuff, thumbs up!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question

[@sebastianstewart6894]

The patent mentions lord Kelvin using that.

[@Moist_yet_Crispy]

What is the most practical homemade battery that's usable for homestead purposes? Saltwater, graphene/graphite magnesium battery? Thanks in advance! Love your videos Robert!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you won't like the answer - I have no idea - so much depends that 'the best' really relies on you

[@Moist_yet_Crispy]

@@ThinkingandTinkering That's fair. Thanks for the reply!

[@robertlavedas4964]

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[@ILikeSongs5]

I wonder what it would do under a waterfall

[@dremaboy777]

Well, time to treat the materials to increase the surface area - and boom

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

for sure mate - and - have a read at the patent - that should help and give a bit of direction

[@zafod101]

Hi Rob, I was just wondering what reading you would get if the water was in an ultrasonic cleaner.👍

[@Yaman-D-Chhaya]

Rob Sir, I would seriously love to try the same setup using copper and aluminium, both are good conductors they surely should produce some great results awesome video Rob Sir, Love and very warm regards from India 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@TheRichardgomm]

Rob could you please make a video on how you match coils to magnet strength

[@lisakingscott7729]

Have you tried with deionized water? It would go further to eliminate galvanic corrosion as the energy source

[@markhodgson2348]

Use the sun to heat the water ,using a parabolic heater from a old satellite dish covered in mirror plastic...I'm sure it would be a good video

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Great idea mate - give it a go

[@devinkrike5968]

Hmmm, what if you combine this with wind power? for example, put a row of the metals on a piece of rectangular wood or plastic, put a rod in the middle and have it spin the row of these metals in a barrel or a bucket of water. The thing would look like a manual honey extractor except instead of frame holder you would have a row of aluminum and brass(or whatever you used in this experiment, sorry I didn't catch that one). Kind of curious how much it would produce. I know, I know, I should try it myself, and I might one of these days.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - I am afraid that is exactly what I think mate - this is one for you to try - I like the ideas though

[@alexbrown4023]

Do you know what the conductivity was of the tap water and river water? In that area of the uk I imagine it’s reasonably low. I also suspect this will impact the effectiveness of the cell.

[@adesign5]

3 parts seem to always be required for electricity. This and the paper method both has water as the main part. The sun for solar, motion for generators, the acid or whatever for batteries. Water for whatever this is lol i love it because it will change the books on what electricity is

[@Enngel0]

This is just great... Thanks! Do you think it would work in an Archimedes screw? Can the aluminum coating of the CDs be used as negative?

[@iansanders9327]

It strikes me that the heating scenario means this is simply a thermocouple? It is well known that two dissimilar metals in electrical contact when heated generate a microcurrent. The flow option is by far more interesting for potential generation applications I think - it's a water wheel with no moving parts! Love your use of the nylon blocks, I use them constantly for my own tinkering. Great video, many thanks.

[@harrywhite7287]

Will it work in salt water? If so, you could use the tides to maintain constant current flow and your only limitation would be how much coastline you are willing to devote to it.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

in this form it would probably just rot mate - but have a read at the patent - it should help answer your question

[@richardlilley6274]

Amazed that such discovery's haven't been used... Kinda makes ya wonder why..!? Sure if they were combined by someone with understanding and inquisitiveness something could be made that is truly amazing Great work and potential

[@linosclassics]

The efficiency is quite miserable. The power you can get with any reasonably sized device is really too weak to compete with other options. As a flow sensor without moving parts I can imagine it could be useful though.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it is interesting for sure mate

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it is mate - but have you seen the first electric motor? when someone looks who knows what they will find - encourage looking if you can - for example you could have said - the efficiency is quite poor and in this arrangement would only really be useful as maybe a sensor - can you see the difference between the two ways of saying the same thing?

[@richardlilley6274]

@@ThinkingandTinkering totally get your point We've simply touched on a new "to us" form of energy... With a little tinkering Maybe pass the current through water "as with water welder" to pip it up a little!! I need a man shed to start playing around with ideas

[@richardlilley6274]

@@linosclassics I think partly its because we're set in our ways as to how we view energy /power Maybe we're simply doing it wrong.

[@RiderRickMaker]

Could that be a thermocuple effect ocurring there? I ask this because the behaviour is actually really similar. I wanted to do something at a lower scale (using a laser to ablate a brass male and an aluminum female) and then experiment with heat (both electrodes touching, but different metals). What is making me scratch my head is that the concept is quite the same (quite), but there's a massive airgap and surface area inbetween.... Am I thinking straight? 👀

[@rismaelfumero]

Sincere condolences for such a huge loss. If ever you need a little vacation in Tenerife Pls contact an old follower And fan of your awesome teachings.

[@Dinco422]

doesn't aluminium and copper corrode ?

[@emc4u2]

Awesome ! What a great idea. What about loads of smaller devices, maybe even nano particle coated ones. in series and parallel. That could make a difference. Or is the surface area also important? To get a higher amperage for example. Also, what is the voltage output per cel? Cheers and thx alot from acros the ocean :-) Rene

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question

[@sharonbraselton4302]

24 micro amps

[@paulmurphy3838]

Mr Murray- Smith you have done it again, I really wonder if these ideas have been purposely quashed. Can't wait to make my own, what about sheets of Ali and brass, can you give me some feedback on this. I dont know why you didn't have the pipes running parallel to the stream, seems to be self- evident that it would work better. Of course I would have the advantage of the Australian sun, even in winter to heat the water if I built one which I plan to do. Can you give me any further tips for making a large scale unit say 1 meter square with a stack of 20 to 30 brass and aluminium sheets, like a lead acid battery configuration. Bugger the expense.

[@fan1701]

I think you should set it up with the tubes lined up like battery plates and re-test it. So the tubes are lines up where the water flows across them -> -> - + - + - + - + -> -> and see what that does.

[@mikeflight9]

That is amazing. Just a thought. It could be attached to the rear of a boat, probably a motorboat, with the aluminum facing toward the front of the boat. if it was large enough you could run electric equipment on board your boat. Great video, and great invention. 👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸👌

[@paulfrost8952]

On a house boat fine, but for a sailing/motor boat the drag would be a problem I think!

[@vasiliscaravitis1706]

If you dip this device in seawater, I guess the salt, plus wave motion would produce even more power, but, of course, the question would be possible corrosion or deposits building up on the electrode surface. Perhaps it is worth trying a saltwater solution at home first and see how long power will be produced before the electrodes are either dissolved, or insulated by deposits.

[@cyb3rx867]

What if this was done at a large scale after the turbine gathers as much energy as it can from a dam as the water flows. This could be used to gain even more energy from these dams although it would need to withstand the immense flow of the water.

[@farrypro]

Wiggle wiggle wiggle 💡

[@nlabanok]

What a great idea to mine expired patents for ideas and concepts...many times the urgency to file outruns any contemporary practical need or doesn't anticipate other complementary breakthroughs that might make something even more viable.

[@GoCreateSomething]

If the brass is upstream, does it just reverse the polarity or does it not function? I wonder how many materials he tried before he settled on aluminum and brass. I suppose I'll probably have to read the patent and maybe test it myself to get the answers to those questions.

[@SamMonkulas]

Bravo Mr. Murray. You seem to be the incarnate of late Robert Murray of 1960s who developed Electricity to power a house straight from his briefcase size power plant weighing not more than DVD player. This stuff that you just showed is a million dollar project already. Great 👍 job Sir.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@joeolejar]

Given that aluminum rapidly develops an oxide layer, did you have to clean the aluminum tubes before your tests?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

no mate

[@martureomartus8882]

have you tried doing it with air current instead of water current - especially with that hollow tube generator idea you made earlier?

[@EzequielBaltazar]

Well... The question is how many sets of rods do i need to charge a 240ah 12v battery in 10 hours.

[@DFPercush]

over 9000

[@sharonbraselton4302]

yiu cañ buy 240 amps 12 viólt batery ¹0 hour run timé lone battery life

[@victoryfirst2878]

I am just amazed that this works. The bummer part is that you only get micro amount. Would be nice to see a 2.0 version make true volts. Good day and peace too Sir Robert . VF

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

you should read the patent mate

[@borium]

Very interesting ,thanks for sharing ,i wonder if you put this in an air tight container and added co2 if the bubbles would move the water enough to create a voltage.

[@Kopie0830]

Dew it and post a video mate. - Palpatine

[@The411]

Hey Robert, could you look at the tech of the eaton "blackout buddy"? It seems to be a voltaic pile comprised of 4 cells. Copper, a layer of carbon on a fiber sheet, a fiber separator and Magnesium. X4. The Cu and Mg are touching back to back, the carbon side of the sheet faces the Cu. It lights LED's when you pour water in it. Each Cell generates 1.5v unloaded. Would I be correct that you can use straight water because it's Mg and not Zinc?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it probably has a salt pre-added to the fibre sheet - the Japanese were making something similar i seem to rememeber

[@sharonbraselton4302]

flashes lights 4 bather kith best

[@ruckuswethepeep4384]

So glad I found your channel! Love geeking out on your really cool stuff

[@DennisDinges]

For perpetual water flow, one could build a rotor or mechanical water mover by using magnets? No input energy needed for getting the water in motion

[@My2Drumsticks]

What stops this from being called over unity? Could you use this in conjunction with a sand battery ? Rods heat sand, sand heats water and so on. Kind of a thermal runaway using excess power.

[@ThankYouESM]

There's been a recent mention of how green/blue lasers are able to instantly evaporate water where it contacts and made me wonder if that means it can output more energy than what gets put in being lightwaves bouncing within an internally mirrored container, then capturing the evaporation like steam engines, but... is a closed system instead.