Perry Saturn on Why Shane Douglas Didn't Join The Radicalz in WWF

[@1028802828]

I hope you give Saturn a bonus subsequent to this interview. His brutal honesty is admirable. He has no skin in the game anymore, and not walking on eggshells with his interview.

[@ronniemacdonald2768]

He's always been a straight-shooter.

[@AcesPlace22]

What does he deserve more than what was offered?

[@dhotnessmcawesome9747]

It's more about bigger fish to fry than that I think. He has real problems taking up all his giveable fucks.

[@mayorhaggar1275]

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[@G00dTimesNoodleSalad-x6p]

​@@AcesPlace22 this is probably Saturn himself begging for more $$ cuz he blew it all already..

[@leefus303]

Thes Saturn interviews have been great! Thanks James!

[@heey_im_mike]

Can’t wait for the full episode even though with all the clips uploaded i feel like I’ve watched it all anyways

[@russellcampbell3500]

They really have been great. Totally agree with that assessment

[@carlcarrico1954]

WSI is on a roll. The Scott Norton and Perry Saturn interviews have been pretty Epic. Hope you bring them both back in the near future. I always liked Scott Norton but didn't know much about him. I know a little bit more about Perry Saturn but he doesn't hold back and I love it. Both interviews were very interesting. If he comes back I'd like a little more detail on the fights between him and Bigelow in the locker room. I don't know if he meant physical or verbal or both. Well done James!

[@Thatdeal79]

Saturn sounds like he doesn’t remember what he did an hour ago but will tell a story in complete detail from over 20 years ago. He’s a rare individual.

[@nighttrain316]

lost all his teeth...

[@Geraldo-ro9rc]

Not that shocking if those were the biggest moments in your life. I bet you think about the past all the time

[@TrevyTrev-andTheFunkyPets]

I’m learning that pro wrestling is a brutal business, kudos to anyone that was successful in it that survived today.

[@IAEMThatIAEM]

typically; if you dont remember what you did 5 minutes ago; you can come up with good stories on the fly

[@lukethomas6900]

It's a certain form of Alzheimer's disease, which I'm pretty sure Saturn probably has by now.

[@ctt4lfecw]

That was so smart having Mick Foley be the voice of the Radicalz burying WCW without violating their release agreement lol

[@thewhitepanther6052]

These interviews keep getting better and better.

[@DValedof]

This Saturn interview is amazing

[@tomservo4299]

loved him back in the day......love him more now and happy he seems to be doing better

[@b4four]

His friends were Jeff Marek and Chris Tidwell from The LAW. Story is they called Jimmy Korderas and filled him in, which lead to Bruce getting the call. It is actually pretty crazy how quick it all happened over a week/weekend

[@ryblack5032]

Love these interviews with Perry Saturn!!!! One of Faves

[@jakeerbst4073]

I love Saturn. Feel like I didn’t appreciate him enough while he was active but he should have been way higher on the card than he usually was.

[@gibbo822]

wCw all the nWo had the belts and all the air time. He did something when joining WwF and his character was a punishment, then he drifted Eddy and Chris never got the big push until it was to late

[@rsb8380]

This interview with him amazing. I know he has this reputation of someone that had a lot of problems after his wrestling career, but seeing him here, he is honestly so fucking intelligent and funny and clear. Like there are meant to be genuine professionals in this business just now, but he has such an intellect and frankness, it’s just awesome

[@budgibson185]

Can’t wait for the full episode! These have been the best clips for an interview in awhile

[@Black-Circle]

i just wanna see the full interview!

[@TheJames-Edward]

I also think Benoit wasn't holding that title for long especially after Kevin Nash came out at the end and said the clock is ticking. I think if they stayed Perry was right that they wouldn't be used well and probably losing more matches than winning so going to the WWF as a great call.

[@Spooky_515]

It was a great call because WCW was dead a year later and all WCW guys that came in after that were completely trashed

[@TheJames-Edward]

@@Spooky_515 yes definitely their product was going downhill and getting so bad. I'm glad they got in WWF before the Invasion storyline.

[@markula_4040]

Of course Benoit wasn't holding that title long. There was around 25 title changes in WCW in 2000 so his reign had a 2 week expiration date.

[@TheJames-Edward]

@@markula_4040 you're right they played hot potato with that world title. Sullivan said in an interview Chris was going to have a title run but I don't believe that.

[@creoleDJ]

Jim Ross said on one of his podcasts is that they (WWF) couldn’t have talked to Douglas even if they really wanted to, because Shane was still under contract & they didn’t want to cause any legal rumbles there; Ross said that everyone else were free agents & Douglas wasn’t. But the whole situation was shitty nonetheless….

[@onewarriornation602]

As usual Jim Ross is full of shit.

[@dhotnessmcawesome9747]

If you ever even see this, thanks Perry.

[@trendmassacre8423]

I haven't seen a Saturn interview in ages, thank you for getting him on (even though this was months ago) 😂

[@williamortiz8142]

Perry Saturn is a straight shooter

[@finksalot]

Great to see Perry.

[@Farmerb1985]

Outstanding interview

[@jamesomay607]

Hopefully Saturn does more public stuff now

[@BoutDatMusicGroup]

Can respect his honesty

[@adamenriquez7291]

Best interview yet!!!! 🪐

[@dapperdavemcf]

Man we need a weekly Saturn show

[@jamiepreston1490]

Perry is the real deal. Almost to honest. Good guy! Most if not all bullshit with their stories but Perry tells you the way it was.

[@Comanche_moon]

Love hearing from Saturn

[@lcceo22]

I loved Saturn growing up. It’s hard to listen to him like this and that breaks my heart.

[@bobbymccartney549]

He's a great interview

[@quintenlizardmen2497]

I heard Shane basically say the same thing in an ancient RF video. I always wondered if he was telling the truth and perry just confirmed he was.

[@joncacosta23]

It sucks to see how far Saturn has fallen. He was super underrated

[@creoleDJ]

Who else thinks that “Dark Side Of The Ring” needs to do a full episode on the Radicalz defecting from WCW??

[@mava4584]

No

[@creoleDJ]

@@mava4584 Why not? I think it would be rather interesting…

[@onewarriornation602]

​@@creoleDJIt would be cool, but no. Why not? Because Dark Side of the ring lies 90% of the time in their shows.

[@Geraldo-ro9rc]

And Shane is the only one out of them all whos actually doing well lol.

[@sambarnett6996]

Yes but a few of them actually became stars in the wrestling business.

[@Geraldo-ro9rc]

@@sambarnett6996 Shane was def a star in the business but he didnt reach the heights of benoit or guerrero. And dean basically just retired as soon as he got to wwf.

[@sambarnett6996]

@@Geraldo-ro9rc he was intercontinental champion for 15 minutes and NWA champion after that ceased to mean anything. He will certainly tell you he was a star.

[@Geraldo-ro9rc]

@@sambarnett6996 He was Ecw world champ, ecw tv champ, ecw tag champ, wcw tag champ and wcw usa champ. Im not saying belts really mean that much but him being ECW world champ def made him a star. Ecw was more over than the wwf in the mid 90s.

[@sambarnett6996]

@@Geraldo-ro9rc you are joking right? ECW?

[@chrisdavid3510]

Would love to see a continuation on this where Perry just tells some road stories in detail. He’s very easy on the mic.

[@pri0r_t0_a_weekago...fukwi48]

Saturn is a good dude, these interviews have been wonderful I’m rooting for him

[@Black-Circle]

where is the full interview????

[@JohnwayneNOgacy]

We love you Perry

[@michaelburt4518]

Please DDPYOGA!!! HELP THIS MAN GET BACK TO HIMSELF.

[@mikeymessier]

AND THINGS WENT SO WELL WITH VINCE, PERRY GOT TO WORK WITH A MOP

[@jamesb1988]

That was after he flipped on a jobber and legit beat the piss out of him.

[@josecano9210]

Eddie Guerrero also admitted that they lied to Shane in his own shoot 22 years ago, Eddie said that he had the same amount of love for Shane as he did for the rest of the guys but that he wasn’t gonna hesitate to leave bc Shane or one of the other guys wasn’t sure.

[@PaulSCO]

That's a really interesting tidbit that they weren't allowed to badmouth WCW on TV

[@w00llee14]

Shame that Shane kinda had a bad taste in his mouth after his WWF run (and the WWF not being interested either), I'd imagine "The Franchise" Shane Douglas would've gone down fairly well in the Attitude Era, much better than Dean Douglas anyway! 🤣

[@RealAlphaDrum]

No way Douglas would go back to WWF, nor would they want to have him there. haha

[@TheMrCruzExperience]

You can tell he feels bad about it but it kinda is what it is.

[@PocketSand69]

This really is one of my favorite ones you’ve ever done. Some of the guys are so full of BS (Pitbull Gary). Saturn is legit!

[@pden2654]

That sucks but understand on both sides!! Who knows what if Kevin wasn’t the Booker at the time.!! When saturn & Raven was teaming again before he left was awesome. Benoit & Malenko as a team was gold.! Like or dislike Shane I’ve enjoyed his work here & there and could cut a promo decently.! What if you had Shane d with the radicalz especially as the mouthpiece.! I think it would’ve worked but Benoit was better at becoming a main eventer then Shane d!!! I don’t think Shane would settle for ic title run when he’s good on the mic!!! Still curious though Revolution/radicals W/ asya vs DX w/ chyna & Stephanie (4vs4 or 5vs5) match.?!!??!!

[@jasonwohlers6151]

Saturn could've been easily used as a contender for Tag, TV, or United States titles. He had the ability in the ring even though his mic skills were meh.

[@bryansiebenmorgen]

He was a pretty decent TV and Tag Team Champion. I would've put him in the running for the US Title.

[@damian_cross]

So Shane was (mostly) telling the truth in his shoots.

[@DUARTE99]

Perry Saturn rules.

[@thejmc4074]

What is Perry’s shoot height ?

[@NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot]

5”8

[@onewarriornation602]

​@@NiktheEnglishGreekCypriotThat was his billed height. Legit height? About 5'6".

[@kazman_6899]

I'm surprised they wanted Malenko. They gave him another gimmick. He knocked it out of the park. And then not only did they not give him a push, but they stopped using him.

[@Bale4Bond]

What gimmick did Malenko knock out of the park? He was about as interesting as a paint can.

[@Shauno944]

He didnt need it. He was the iceman, they should’ve put that shitty light heavyweight belt on him and made some solid wcw style cruiserweight matches. Dean was awesome just being cold and silent

[@dhotnessmcawesome9747]

He did the creeper thing well so I think you mean that. Otherwise... The dude was done working. He mostly went to make sure he had a place as a producer afterward. He's still there today. That's why they wanted him I THINK. They knew the value of the man even though he was as over as onion ice cream with most people.

[@AlonSOAMAZING]

How would they not want him ? The man was a huge technical wrestler one of the best .

[@RetroHabit82]

​@@AlonSOAMAZINGwrestling dont mean shit if you can't sell tickets

[@RexMundi_UTC]

Gofundme for some teeth for Saturn? He sounds so different

[@PeteSanctions]

Hopefully the same company that helped Scotty Riggs can help him

[@averagecarpentryskills7148]

Funny how Sullivan doesn't see anything in Saturn when Saturn is a better version of Sullivan physically in ring and gimmick for the era. maybe if he could have just booked him as a Lucky Charms Cereal Character in Dungeon of Doom or something under his brilliant vision.

[@onewarriornation602]

Meanwhile back in the real World Sullivan was a major draw in CWF and his character was so over as a heel Vince stole the entire gimmick AND storyline for The Undertaker in the late 90's ....

[@user-py6sy4zm1v]

We need DDP to help Saturn

[@jugghead82]

Man that's crazy to hear but image if Shane would have join The Radicalz it would have change so much in the group Saturn is an all TIME LEGEND

[@antology7]

It would have been Radical if Shane Douglas joined.

[@rickyrick9893]

Glad yo see him healthy

[@rondoughhowell6442]

these men did what they had to especially when they had a chance to go to the bigtime

[@420Yako]

Eliminaters were awesome but Perry is cool. 😊

[@zathras11b53]

It is called a 'lie of omission', Perry.

[@at0micwerew0lf]

Saturn is one of my favorite wrestlers of all time**...I enjoyed Saturn's 1st and 2nd runs of shoot interviews. Im stoked that he's back for another run. I just hope hes getting paid what he is worth. **I do think WWE eventually got lost with him...trying to do Al Snow/Head pt 2 with him and the mop was stupid and Perry Saturn in a dress was horrible. Theres nothing funny about that. That said...in the beginning with the Radikalz(or whatever stupid spelling WWE used)he was great, they all were. And he had periodic great booking in both WWE and WCW. Over all i have big love and respect for the man.

[@Scorch1028]

Vince McMahon had screwed over Shane Douglas in 1996. So, he had no interest in working for the WWF in 2000, and the feeling was mutual.

[@Millwall77]

His shoots that I have seen has said otherwise.

[@miltonjoyner4201]

I think Saturn is all truth. I don’t really think he embellishes anything.

[@jlover911]

I thought Perry Saturn died? OD 2019???

[@masterj4777]

Because Shane was smart bottom ĺine last time he was there they made him into a joke he would be stupid to ever go back to that garbage company!

[@Millwall77]

He has said himself that he contacted WWE...

[@mrowley7300]

Honestly I think it would've been cool for Shane to join them just as they're mouth piece

[@rickyvenegas9286]

Of course they lied to Shane WWF did not want Shane anyways he was hurt all the time and washed by then

[@RetroHabit82]

And HHH was using his gimmick

[@shooter86-uw8ce]

He burned all his bridges at WWE on the way out the door in the mid 90s

[@sambarnett6996]

Yeah why would they need the Marty Jannetty of the Dynamic Dudes?

[@OnionSavoya-jf5hz]

Saturns on point. Saturn & Kronus should get back together in WWE

[@Dr.JHamilton]

John Kronus died years ago.

[@HiGlowie]

Saturn obviously isn’t in the condition to wrestle and Kronos died.

[@OnionSavoya-jf5hz]

@@HiGlowie Well Saturn should be used in a video game or as a general manager

[@neilsmith9066]

Pedo Pat tried to have his way w The Franchise that’s why he quit in 1990

[@bryansiebenmorgen]

And he got screwed over by the Kliq in 1995. He quit twice.

[@HiGlowie]

@@bryansiebenmorgenthe Kliq were so gay. Bunch of manchildren bullies

[@QuentinDude]

WWe-NeVer-did-much-with-Saturn-or-Malenko-either

[@marklachney420]

How is it possible to get such a bad face tat?

[@jamesb1988]

Is there such thing as a GOOD face tat?

[@NunYabidness-e1j]

Perry is the only guy to come out in a dress but never adopted the feminine persona of a Gorgeous George or Adrian Adonis.. Goldie was androgynous

[@vokabage]

grown man business

[@Bale4Bond]

Douglas is a legend in his own mind. Constant, shitty shoot promos that allude to stuff no normal human would understand and matches that could put a crying infant to sleep.

[@mighthookya2637]

Lol I liked him honestly triple H stole everything about him

[@Richie3Jack]

Depends. If you're an ECW fan then he was a massive part of ECW. And his work from '94 until he went to the WWF and then when he returned and did the feud with the Pitbulls was excellent (particularly the latter). After that he worked injured way too much, got way too big from the roids and his promos got worse because he made it a point to just swear all of the time in them for the cheap pop. But during those timeframes I mentioned of Shane's peak, his in-ring work and promos were just excellent. And I go back to the feud with the Pitbulls when he was the hottest heel in pro wrestling. It also should be mentioned that Shane was a locker room leader in ECW. He took time with so many of the younger talent to help mentor them and was really a positive force. Not many top guys in any promotion were ever like that.

[@mringram]

😂😂😂😂 okay

[@kazman_6899]

That's so Raven

[@VindictiveRaider]

Shame douglas is a clown and a liar 😂

[@johnathanhart2999]

Could we get a Saturn podcast?

[@Willthrill8]

Don't tell conrad

[@ozzybloke-craig3690]

Why does Perry Saturn have a ladies lower back tattoo on his face? It is horrible. Ughhh!

[@chriscornelius2518]

Cocaine is helluva drug-Rick James

[@Halbared]

Co-Nann!

[@nagilumsnangilima]

Oh man does Saturn look awful. The way some of these guys turned out.

[@jamesb1988]

I'm not 100 percent sure on this but I remember hearing something to the effect of Perry was trying to stop a woman from being assaulted/r**ed and got shot by some dude. Perry suffered brain damage from it and started using narcotics and it was all down hill from there. The fact he's still alive is awesome.

[@nagilumsnangilima]

I heard. Thanks.

[@PhantomofDB]

Shane's biggest fan is shane. By a WIIIDDDEE margin. He was never very good

[@kerpal321]

is the guy doing the interview wearing a breitling

[@eveningstar4543]

Wonder why wwf wasn't interested in Konan 🤔

[@IamGalvatron]

Maybe cause the company spent a crap ton of money on a gimmick for him and he walked out before even debuting it.

[@luisvilla799]

Max moon

[@eveningstar4543]

@@IamGalvatron LOL I had no idea. I didn't seriously watch wrestling till 96'. Thanks for the info 🙏

[@IamGalvatron]

@@eveningstar4543 one or so of the matches he did as the gimmick can be found on KZbin.

[@shooter86-uw8ce]

​@IamGalvatron they debuted it before he bailed Then the other guy who's name i cant remember took over the gimmick before bailing as well after he was screwing .... Tatanka's wife? And got caught

[@1950Grendel]

Honesty doesn't have to be erudite. Saturn is great.

[@rickyvenegas9286]

Idk how Konann was blacklisted he must have had a bad run as Mad Max

[@rickyvenegas9286]

Moon

[@IamGalvatron]

@@rickyvenegas9286thing is he didn’t really have a run as Max Moon and WWF spent a ton of money on that gimmick and he walked out before even really debuting it

[@manzi71]

I also read that Konnan wanted to go but he felt if he left,WCW would punish the remaining Lucha wrestlers for him leaving.

[@shooter86-uw8ce]

He had no option to go back to WWE he bailed on them after they invested a fair amount of money on his Max Moon gimmick and he left abruptly with no notice to go do a Mexican tela-novella soap opera

[@onewarriornation602]

It was the Max Moon debacle as well as the fact Konnan was known in the business at this point for having a terrible attitude and constantly pulling the race card over every little thing.

[@crazycarper3780]

Shane,HHH and jeff jarrett would of been a good stable.

[@RuthlessMcDugal]

Konnan and Shane couldn’t lace these guys boots

[@LAvsMVP]

Shocked WWE was interested in Dean just cus of his age and size

[@RetroHabit82]

No personality unfortunately

[@theraVen27]

The best in ring talent in the business at the time. How is that shocking?

[@LAvsMVP]

@@theraVen27 you must be new to the game lol? he wasn't a WWE type 5'8 200 pounds and he was what 40 at the time? So if they were drawing the line on guys like K Dawg and Douglas I'm shocked Dean made the cut because they light heavyweight division was never important in the WWF and it showed they didn't do much with Dean outside of the Radicals he held the light heavyweight title and biggest feud was with Lita

[@theraVen27]

@@LAvsMVP you’re trying to compare Shane Douglas and k-dogg to someone like Dean Malenko.. Malenko, for lack of personality and booking attention at wcw, was wildly popular. Everyone who’s ever spoken about him has the highest praises. His matches from around the world and with hundreds of different people and styles are all great. He’s also been known to mentor and help people. Why would wwe want to bring in a guy like that??

[@LAvsMVP]

@@theraVen27 well that must of been the reason why because he's done more as a road agent then a in ring talent for the WWE he only last a few years and Benoit and Eddie were the only 2 of the group I bet they really wanted and they just brought Saturn and Dean in as good hands but I could be wrong I'll go back and listen to the The Radicals ep on something to wrestle with because I think Bruce might of said they were high on Perry

[@gooblygoo]

You need to add subtitles to this rambling addict. Just say no kids

[@dragonchaserkev]

Shane is not on the same level, sorry Shane.

[@kolz4ever1980]

Yeah.. Shane probably avoided this guys moppy gimmick so it probably worked out. ;)

[@emperorburton]

Shane is by far and away better on the mic than any of the Radicalz.

[@onewarriornation602]

​@@emperorburtonAnd in the ring. The only one at Shane's level in ring was Benoit.

[@ronniemacdonald2768]

Cos Troy is bad business.

[@The80sWolf_]

Radicalz sucked. What made them radical anyway?

[@mitchydrama5924]

konnan was way more over then any of them they should have brought him over

[@HiGlowie]

Not the states lol

[@mitchydrama5924]

@@HiGlowie grew up watching wcw he was over

[@richardstephens5570]

@@mitchydrama5924 McMahon did not want Konnan because in 1992 the WWF invested a lot of money on a gimmick for him(Comet Kid) and he quit after a few matches.

[@chriscornelius2518]

Maxx moon ​@@richardstephens5570

[@theraVen27]

Shane Douglas was horrific in every character. His wwf run was horrible. His tough guy ecw run was a joke. His wcw run was one of the main reasons I started watching wwe during the war.

[@sppspharmdude]

Felt maybe it was right to lie to Shane if that breached his wcw contract if they were all meeting or talking to wwf and he didn't wanna go anyway.