Persona 5 Royal - The Ports You've Been Waiting For - Every Console Tested - DF Tech Review

[@SystemBD]

WARNING: If this is your first time playing this game, remember to indicate to your family, friends and colleagues at work that you will be inaccessible for, at the very least, two weeks. This game *will* became your life.

[@BitchChill]

What family and friends?

[@jefframos5625]

Become*

[@theneedforspeeder9575]

2 weeks lol. More like 3 months

[@turdfurguson4451]

Become*

[@panterxbeats]

Two weeks? Lol

[@TheAssirra]

I got this on launch on PC and I was really surprised how good of a port it is. It also has my new favorite feature where you can set different ui buttons for your controller depending what you play. Way to many games force me to use xbox buttons while using a playstation controller.

[@AceStrife]

You comment made me want to download it on gamepass now. So many gamepass games are xbox prompts only (I get it, but it's still not acceptable since PC accepts ALL input devices), and as someone who's only grown up with Playstation prompts, my brain ceases to work when I see xbox ones (especially the X). Not only is the button prompt overlooked so often, but so is rebindable gamepad controls. At most games have a few presets, but usually they don't, and no preset fits every user. Accessibility is still a problem and it's almost 2023. Just makes no sense.

[@shockwav3xx]

@@AceStrife on gamepass u cant change the layout of the buttons,just Xbox pad..

[@WhiteHawk77]

I started it up but haven’t dug in, is there any way to add proper antialiasing as even at 4K it still has noticeable jaggies unlike most games.

[@AceStrife]

@@shockwav3xx Of course, silly me thinking Microsoft wasn't run by a head of lettuce.

[@AL2009man]

btw, the Steam version of Persona 5 Royal takes full advantage of Steam Input's "Glyph Query" feature, which means...instead of the game doing the button prompt detection: Steam Input will change the button prompts *based* on the Controller Type. but you can still manually change the prompts [in-game] anyway.

[@BlindBison]

This game’s soundtrack is incredible.

[@wile123456]

Yes, it's called jazz. More people would love the genre if it was more widespread

[@LaoShimazaki]

@@wile123456 actually, it isn't. if anything i would say its more Soul music. that combined with rock and funk beats. you can easily notice that by checking live videos or just play the game. although i always loved Persona soundtracks. it's also great for lo-fi.

[@ol_thecreator]

I gotta get the P5 Royal soundtrack lol but yes one of the illest osts in gaming period.

[@Jereb343]

You could almost say it... takes over... your game experience. Ha. Ha ha. Ha

[@Stellock]

Listen to P4 soundtracks if you haven't already

[@devinforman8213]

About 45 hours in, playing on Series X through Gamepass. Music is amazing. I can't stop playing it or thinking about it. Been a while since I've played a game 8-10 hours straight. I highly recommend it, especially if your a JRPG fan.

[@samvimes9510]

Shoji Meguro is an incredible composer. If you like P5's soundtrack you should give a listen to the soundtracks of Persona 4 Golden and Persona 3 FES.

[@kraenk12]

F Gamepass! Buy it

[@medalgearsalad1419]

@@kraenk12 SupPoRt thE deveLopErs. Amirite?

[@Sephiyroth]

@@Raansu why does everyone think that theyre getting paid every time someone buys the game arent they getting paid a salary like every other job

[@HumanTank12]

@@kraenk12 No.

[@paulcoffield2102]

I'm currently 100 hours into it on the PC, and having so much fun messing around with Persona combinations. One of the greatest JRPG's I've ever played without a doubt. I've also just recently bought an LG C1 so with the OLED, it looks fantastic.

[@jamesgames4553]

Persona 5 does actually have antialiasing - only on PS3 where it supported MLAA running on the Cell SPUs. Again points to the PS4 version not being the most optimised port, which has impacted other versions since.

[@cunnyman]

Yup, PS3 was the only optimized port out of them all. Considering hacked PS3 can unlock fps and maintain 60fps in most scenes except city, I assume PS4 could’ve maintained 60fps too if allowed. A worse hardware, the Switch, can maintain 60fps similarly as well.

[@mcall9800]

Only bad thing about the PS3 version was the loading times. I couldn't believe how fast the PS4 footage was when I saw footage

[@Gabry179]

@@mcall9800 they were really similar to the PS4 tbh

[@JDelwynn]

The PC port has FXAA and SMAA also.

[@leondarley2811]

@@cunnyman The PS3 port only just handles 30fps: See Digital Foundry's comparison of the PS3 and PS4 version. Raising the cap to 60fps with a patch.yml file ruins the frame pacing and softlocks parts of the game. I can confirm the Switch runs P5R perfectly in handheld mode when patched at 720p. I opted against patching the game to 60fps, but I've seen videos suggesting that it works well, hardly budging below 60 at 540p, although both in tandem might be a little too much without overclocking and/or ruining battery life.

[@regret3311]

was waiting for this review ever since the game rereleased, didn't expect for you all to cover every port, well done!

[@nihren2406]

To be fair, he skipped PC. Steam Deck is technically PC, but it's more looking at the constraints the game is under when running on that platform specifically rather than PC as a whole.

[@samlepirate4845]

Also skipped the PS5, they need to rename that test :/

[@HalfpennyTerwilliger]

​@@samlepirate4845 He didn't skip PS5, he said it's 2160p resolution with 2160 resolution UI and locked 60fps.

[@tunahthemighty]

@@nihren2406 his negatives about the steamdeck are completely hardware based so its safe to assume pc is the superior platform. Bad contrast ratio on steamdeck? Your monitor can handle that. FPS drops on steamdeck? Your rig can rectify that.

[@xerontokyo]

Note: Ports of P5R is not made internally by either ATLUS or P-Studio but by SEGA Japan CS2 or part of the Sonic Team.

[@nathanbraun2067]

sonic team again, I see. sega should shut them down

[@IllusiveDev]

@@nathanbraun2067 Why? They made ports that don't drop a single frame on any platform. (besides steam deck)

[@xerontokyo]

@@nathanbraun2067 What's wrong? Is it because of Sonic 3D games? Like I get that but closing down a studio will lose a lot of jobs to the programmers, art assets designer and game planners in that team. Making you a fool.

[@nathanbraun2067]

@@xerontokyo good. the talent would be absorbed by better studios

[@nathanbraun2067]

@@IllusiveDev it can't compare to Catherine switch port

[@ericthomas2388]

For anybody watching today. If you homebrew your switch, you can get the 720p/1080p mod which works flawlessly without any dropped frames 99% of the time. Only the final boss and challenge fights drop frames to around 25dfps which can be fixed with a slight cpu overclock

[@Nahobinoah]

I played the switch oled version past kamoshida's palace and I didn't even care or really notice the performance It's an amazing way to experience the game

[@melxb]

? he never said switch had performance issues after all it runs at 30fps, it's the resolution and textures that are soupy...it's steam deck with the drops below 60 that has performance problems, but seems it's an optimization issue since even if u change settings and res below max it still does it

[@TheScrubmuffin69]

I've been playing on pc, 120fps on my monitor and 4k on my TV. Game looks and runs phenomenally.

[@melxb]

@@TheScrubmuffin69 i heard where it drops on steam deck happens on pc as well, seems like some kind of oversight that will get patched, curious if u noticed it too?

[@omensoffate]

You don’t play the switch version to make it look good lol

[@joemarais7683]

@@omensoffate right, it’s a miracle games run on this decade old garbage mobile processor in the first place, buying a switch game and expecting it to not look like a mobile game smeared in Vaseline is pretty dumb.

[@XXtheJUMPoffXX]

Playing this game for the first time on Switch, love it

[@williamcrms]

I feel like the Series S must be a bit underutilized compared to the other console versions… If the PS4 pro can run this at full 4k/30fps, I’d expect a 1440p count when targeting 60fps on the Series S, considering they have near equal raw gpu power. Still a great game and I appreciate the last gen coverage!

[@XiTSlash]

Yeah Idk why it's hard for people to admit it, Atlus didn't fully optimized the game on Switch, PS5 and Xbox Series

[@ИлияКетипов]

This is true, and both PS5 and Series X could be pushed above 4k 60fps, but still it's reasonable and not bad on all consoles

[@veeetox]

@@XiTSlash Sega, not Atlus

[@lucassz8071]

yeah, im sure the series s can handle 1440p60fps (it does on call of duty, so why not on a PS3 game?)

[@vaguedreams]

@@XiTSlash Did they even work on the ports? That's not really their bag.

[@SpanishSebas]

As for the visual cutback: 1. It's not that big of a deal. The game still looks nice and it retains its identity. 810/540p are fairly standard resolutions for NSW ports. FF XII runs like that and everybody seemed happy about it. 2. P5R on my og 2017 Switch with max brightness and airplane mode off gets like 3h 50m of playtime. Turning brightness to half makes it reach 4h. For Switch Lite that would be like 5h 30min and for V2 and OLED we look at 6h +. I don't know guys, if this is the visual quality needed to play outside for that long, I'm all in about it.

[@tyisafk]

I've been playing on my Steam Deck and I've had an amazing experience with specific settings. In the game properties on SteamOS before launching the game, I forced the game to run on Proton Experimental and set gamescope to force 1440p on the internal display which fixes the blocky UI issue since it'll downscale (Edit: I found out I was having blocky UI because half-rate shading was on. I still recommend doing this though because 1440p UI downscaled still looks better). In game, set FPS limit to 60 and rendering resolution to 50% to match the screen's native resolution, and in the Deck performance options setting the screen refresh rate to 40hz and FPS cap to 40. It's way smoother than the 30fps lock and none of the game's framedrops go under 40 anyway so it's hard locked 100% of the time.

[@ulgrimthemad]

Great thinking on this solution :).

[@thien2639]

You are a genius lmao it worked.

[@Ulymaldo]

In the meantime it seems they updated it, I get a locked 60fps on it with no dips. At most when there’s a lot of people on screen, but holds up well in most areas and Kamoshida’s palace in its entirety so far.

[@xyphor317]

Thanks man

[@219SilverChoc]

Wouldn’t upscaling then downscaling result in image blur?

[@griffgames9538]

The non-native 4K UI on last-gen mid-gen is an oddity.

[@alexandrebelair4360]

Persona 5 was a PS3 game

[@KenBladehart]

Someone didnt pay attention

[@griffgames9538]

@@alexandrebelair4360 Refactoring the UI for a remake isn't a huge stretch.

[@snowpuddle9622]

just lazyness from devs, they think that this upgrade justifies it's price

[@17Haru17]

I played Royal for 200 hours and didn't notice a difference. They're just black rectangles lol.

[@superluismigueL100]

12:34 Steam deck OLED is here to save the day

[@cheenuchari]

Been playing it on Switch and honestly the little details between it and the PS4 versions are negligible for me. It plays and runs the same way for me and since I have had some busy weeks, it feels so great to just play the game in short bursts on handheld mode. The game just fits right in on Nintendo Switch IMO.

[@melxb]

if u are playing on the switch lite then that's why the screen has a higher pixel density vs switch oled larger screen having a lower ppi count looks blurrier, shame because otherwise oled has the better colors...but yeah even while u can adjust/get used to it, just as one can to 30fps, imagine it playing at a crisp native 720p resolution of the screen and it would look like a sticker like the UI elements

[@Estorium]

Playing through P4G on the PS Vita just felt right. Since then I have considered Persona a handheld series, so I decided to wait and go with the Switch version. Now if only my copy would arrive from Play-Asia.

[@melxb]

@@Estorium waited since 2016?! yeah i couldn't do that no way

[@joemarais7683]

@@melxb Still better than the few people I know who aren’t gonna get into Persona into P1/P2 are remastered in some way.

[@TWONSSHOW]

@@melxb ikr? I don't understand how people managed to wait this long unless they were unaware of the series up untill this point.

[@flirkyn1661]

After about 50h, I think that despite it's obvious compromise, the Switch version is still pretty great, especially on portable (I'm playing on an OLED Switch). Yes it's quite blurry but I've quickly got used to it despite usually disliking when a game is too blurry. Also there's barely any aliasing on portable mode for what I saw. As for docked, resolution are a little better than portable yeah, but the aliasing and lack of OLED screen for my monitor where I'm playing on make me sometime prefer portable a little more. I've tried gamepass version a little on my PC and it was pretty great, but still settle on Switch for portability (and having to travel quite a lot lately for personal reasons, being able to play in the train is great). I already had the Royal version (and base one too) on PS4 but I've never been able to get into it on it. I've played and finished OG version on PS3 too, so it's quite great to see the difference. But after seeing this review, it's imo quite apparent that the Royal port weren't really optimised on PS4. While it wasn't an issue there (even tho it could have run at 60fps on it if it was optimized I think), it start to show on these newer versions (and not only Switch one). I think it could have been better on some things on all version. Overall, still a pretty great game.

[@saintsalieri]

I flunked out of this game on PS4 due to all the tutorialization and cutscenes. While I still will find them tedious, I think, with text heavy games either PC or handheld are the way to go for me. And unfortunately I can't play PC games (work from home computer and space limitations). While I used to play Civ VI and other management games all the time on PC, I can't bring myself to play them on a console. I'm learning JRPGs are similar in that they're text heavy with a lot of downtime/menuing. I'm considering picking this up on Switch as I kept finding myself interested, but I will probably never play the whole thing sat in front of my couch on PS5. Glad to hear people are saying the handheld is worth the downgrade.

[@ScrupulousProd]

The switch port is my favorite way to experience this game. It’s a little low res, but the colors look amazing on the OLED, all the UI and 2D elements are native res and the frame rate is solid. I would recommend it highly

[@mrbobo86]

I'm playing on my PS5 and 55" OLED TV. That is the way to play. Too much aliasing on switch version. The cellshaded lines and edges are smooth as hell on PS5 and in 4K

[@meezfreak21]

@@mrbobo86lol

[@bbcraz1226]

Either is great. It's a great game and the ps5 and switch are both great systems in their own way.

[@mathewhosier9739]

After the experiencing the current gen version on ps5 in 4K@60FPS its hard to go back to anything less

[@mathewhosier9739]

Saying 30fps is solid is an oxymoron

[@雪鷹魚英語培訓的領航]

Still haven't played it but few games can compete with it's graphic design and visual style. Will definitely play at some point. Seems essential for anyone who wants to develop games.

[@ree2449]

This just under 15 min video felt like it went on for 3 days with no sleep .

[@hadokenexe]

810/540 is about what I expected from Switch TBH. Consistent 30 fps and native rendered UI elements make up for the lower resolutions. 25 hours in and it's everything I waited for!

[@luckann]

I'm very happy with the Switch port too!

[@williamxie5901]

There’s a mod that can unlock resolution to 720p on portable mode and even in battle scene it still remains 30fps. I don’t get why Atlus set this resolution lock. Btw when decreasing resolution down to 720p when docked, switch can actually maintain 60fps for quite a lot of time…

[@alexandrebelair4360]

@@williamxie5901 Battery concern I would guess.

[@aidanb.6910]

@@williamxie5901 Is it difficult to install this mod?

[@williamxie5901]

@@aidanb.6910 sorry I’m not the one who actually mods and I personally don’t want to hack the console…

[@SaviorInTheSun]

Awesome comparison video! Next time, can we get chapters to jump to the chapters we want to see please? Thanks!

[@pobbityboppity1110]

Very addicted to this on steam deck. Works pretty great using video out too.

[@satysin630]

I picked this up a week ago on Switch. So damn good. It really does look and play superb on a handheld, especially if you have an OLED model but even if not it still is just so so good that if you enjoy JRPGs you would be kinda crazy to not get it. Sorta like with Dragon Quest XI:S yes on other platforms it is 60fps with higher quality visuals but there's just something so nice about playing it in your hand wherever you are that just rules and outweighs the higher frame rate and crisper visuals to me. It still looks fantastic on the Switch.

[@dashawnjean3604]

this game is perfect for the switch its a jrpg.. turn base one at that... this is not FF7 remake where you're expecting something graphically crazy..

[@awesome9174]

Or get a Steam Deck lol

[@satysin630]

@@awesome9174 Yeah the Steam Deck is a great way to play too if that is what you have.

[@Ramunas211]

@@satysin630 but switch version looks better than the ps3 version

[@lgolem09l]

Playing this on Steam Deck is absolutely flawless. If you have a power outlet near you, treat yourself to 1400p downscaled to 800p at 40 fps. Everything looks like absolutely clean 2D art, it's amazing. Go to the game properties in the Steam OS UI to 2650x1400 game resolution, and check "Set Resolution for internal and external display". For this, this option wasn't availble until I once started the game with the chosen resolution, and exited it again. Then start the game, and sadly, you have to set the resolution in the ingame settings to 1440p every time you restart. Enjoy.

[@BasedKiliK]

You don’t need to go *that* high lol. Downsampling from 900p and locking at 40hz is the perfect way to play IMO.

[@ghostxplatinum]

I was lucky enough to win a copy of Persona 5 Royal on the Switch from a giveaway and I must say that this game runs quite well on it. I’ve been really enjoying this port, especially when playing it in handheld & tabletop mode. 🙂

[@Spencerwalker21]

How does the fps hold up on higher npc trafficked areas around the gun shop and the burger place ect can't remember what that place is called. On deck it'll drop to high 40s

[@VanTesla]

​@@Spencerwalker21 I believe the PC/Steam Deck version is the least well optimized compared to console ports. So it likely is down to poor port performance than the system specs. From a relative playing on Switch he hasn't seen any notice of a dip and has completed the game twice so far. Likely I assume in part due tothe team that ported the Switch and decision to have the game resolution lower than prior Atlus titles. Can't say for 100% certainty, but it seems from little knowledge I know it is locked 30FPS on Switch. Which is better showing than SMT V. Mind SMTV has a slight higher resolution and slightly "better" models of Demons.

[@VanTesla]

​@@Spencerwalker21 Just to mention possible current poor optimization for PC/Steam Deck. If we look at previous releases Soul Hackers 2. That game had terrible optimization regardless of platform. I bring it up due to likelihood that the teams that did optimization/ports for that are most likely had a hand in one of if not most ports of this game. So though the consoles regardless seem to hit the 30 or 60 FPS targets nearly locked. The PC/Steam Deck definitely wasn't as taken care of sadly. Hopefully with enough fan backlash on PC with sales. A solid patch might alleviate whatever is effecting the performance. Though I expect a fan mod patch before any official fix...

[@sleepyben]

This was very comprehensive. Thanks!

[@jimtepedino9295]

With sticky deck plugin on steam deck, you can get that image looking a lot better. OLED switch does have a beautiful screen, but the fact you play on PC at super high visuals and on the deck, pretty easy choice.

[@raikohzx4323]

The Steam Deck screen isn't a total limiter. It has the potential to be more saturated and have stronger contrasts, but requires plugins like VibrantDeck, whether through the DeckyLoader or Crankshaft systems, to pull it off - and while it's no OLED, the colors can be made so, *so* much better than Valve's default, desaturated look on the system. The IPS LCD may be a limiter, but Valve really needs to add proper screen color control natively, because it can actually be far, far better, and the plugin lets me play games with identical visuals to my monitor or TV in contrast.

[@thefydo]

I'm still feeling a little salty that owners of Persona 5 Royal on PS4 not only need to rebuy the game at full price to get it on PS5 but there's no way to bring forward your save file so you have to start all over. Definitely going to skip this one.

[@theanimerapper6351]

Damn. Sounds like this would have been a good time for people like you to start Ng+. Should have offered a $10 upgrade, also transferring save files I think is really complicated to implement in PlayStation

[@RicochetForce]

It's little things like that that led me to abandon consoles as a whole. The nickel and diming bullshit for what should be free or reduced cost upgrades.

[@thefydo]

@@theanimerapper6351 Yeah! I'd be happy with a $10 upgrade fee. From what I've seen, other games that allow you to bring your saved games forward use a game-specific cloud save that don't use Sony's servers (like Final Fantasy 7 Remake, for example)

[@kraenk12]

@@RicochetForce lmao many titles have free upgrades. Stop exaggerating.

[@Matanumi]

I'm gonna be that guy.... still pissed that these games get decent ports but square was so fuckin lazy to make KH all cloud on switch

[@hector8927]

I sometimes don't agree how things are graded but overall excellent job. I started playing P5 for the first time on my life on the Deck while I was on vacation for two weeks before bed and IMO the IPS panel discussion goes out of the window by how well the game runs. I run it native at 60fps no problem on the deck display and been having a blast. Now that I have a 15 hour flight in a few hours, the deck plugged in to the Airplane power outlet will be my companion.

[@hunouohninunihonjoi8815]

you need to take a look at cfw mod for persona 5 on switch that makes it 720p handheld, considering it has no effect on framerate or battery life, it was really unnessesary for atlus to make it 540p in handheld in the first place, tested without any overclocking

[@RaphaniacZXNew]

I think ATLUS focused on meeting FPS targets and consistency over visual quality as to keep immersion pleasing. Also the Steam Deck nails this game perfectly, you just need the vibrant deck, plugin, locking it to 40fps 40hz and 1080p which sill nets you 3+ hrs battery life while having 4x 720p and stunning visuals far superior to what the switch can offer.

[@mitchjames9350]

Are you using dxvk

[@Supahdenning]

>1080p Deck display is only 800p, needless overhead

[@GoldMetalSonic]

Not sure if folks covered this earlier, but my theories on the choices on the Switch port, which also have to take the PS3 original into consideration: 1. Textures. An error in the vid where Oliver said the textures had to be made with PS3's 512MB RAM in mind... that's true, however the textures got overhauled as you brought up for the PS4 Royal version... which the Switch versions' textures are based on. Sadly a comparison wasn't made between PS3 and Switch here, but from footage I think Switch does outdo PS3 at least a bit here. The other thing to consider is the file size: PS3: 16.6GB (seems to be without any of the DLC) PS4: Possibly 20.25GB (really hard to find a proper source for the download), again seemingly without any DLC PS4 Royal: 37.8GB Switch: 14.2GB Switch would've needed to fit a 16GB cart (which considering how cart sizes work actually would be around 15GB-ish IIRC). So compressing the textures was an obvious way to go about it. Otherwise they'd have to also consider compressing the audio (a huge no-no for this game!) or the FMVs (which seem to be wonderfully preserved on Switch, but how numerous are these?). 2. Resolution. Switch runs at 810p docked and 540p portable, vs. 1080p on PS4 (both editions) and 720p on PS3. But it also curiously runs at 900p on Xbox One. Notice a pattern? Every res number is a multiple of 90. So: 720 + 90 = 810 (Switch docked) 810 + 90 = 900 (XBO) 900 + 90 + 90 (180) = 1080 (PS4) 810 - 90 = 720 (PS3) 720 - 90 - 90 (180) = 540 (Switch portable) No way that wasn't deliberate. I also suppose dynamic resolution wasn't a possibility. Perhaps the engine could implement that for whatever reason? Also big shout out for Switch having a native-res UI and 2D assets in both modes... which XBO somehow botched. 3. Framerate. Remember that DF video of Persona 5 on PS3 vs. PS4? PS3 has a LOT of issues. From performance dips, to screen-tearing out the wazoo. Switch not only runs at a flawless 30fps (as far as can be seen), that alone is a huge improvement, plus the Switch's seemingly universal standard of prohibiting screen-tearing is a huge boost as well (it started on Wii U but a few like Amazing Spider-Man: Ultimate Edition got away with it somehow). Also the comparison with other games is odd. Tokyo Mirage is I'm pretty certain far less complex, and the big games like SMTV, Witcher 3, etc. have lots of performance issues. Far from a perfect 30fps. Overall the Switch version is most certainly in-between PS3 and PS4 while having the changes and improvements from the Royal edition. I think it's a perfectly good port and a job well done by Sega CS2 who did all of the new versions. Kudos!

[@Atonam_real]

Excellent

[@Rashimotosan]

I have tried to start this game twice and just couldn't get into it. I don't think it's for me. But I did get the soundtrack because it absolutely rocked.

[@sullivans2004]

Yeah same kinda, I bought it in 2020 on sale for my PS4 and to this day, I’m still stuck on the Kamoshida dungeon… 😂 Also yeah agreed the soundtrack is excellent!!

[@alexiere]

I tried as well, but in my case, there are so many games out that I don't know which one to start. So I'm all over the place.

[@eljusticiero322]

Me too, find it boring

[@MassiveHappyClapper]

I have done exactly the same thing. I found it to be too slow to get into the game and too dialogue heavy. Great art style and music though. I feel the same way.

[@Kohaku233]

Fair enough. Persona isn’t a series for everyone. But yes the soundtrack is fantastic.

[@ElLoGGe]

Been playing for around 50 h so far on switch and I think it’s a great port even in portable mode. But I guess I’m just so happy I finally get to play it 😁😁😁

[@corey2232]

As a PC player, I don't quite get them saying their were "major" issues/compromises... Nothing looked bad at all, & any flaws they pointed out where after blowing up the image significantly & isolating fine details. When playing on the portable screen, I'd assume none of that would even be noticeable.

[@vivid8979]

@@corey2232 I mean the point of this video is to point out numbers and stats based on what is shown in the screen so if you find it nitpicky was because that's the whole point. That's just how analysis works. They analyze each data frame by frame and you need to zoom in as well to show the fine details for comparison's sake.. Yea they did gave remarks regarding that "It can be better" because in truth everything in this world can be better right? But that's not meant to offend anybody it's an honest take imho..

[@corey2232]

@@vivid8979 Yes, I understand that, but they tend to be so forgiving of anything that doesn't significantly impact the game, often handwaving away performance dips & resolution disparities even between PS5 & SX. Yet in this breakdown they act like some baked shadows or word textures detract from the gameplay. Calling any of these things "MAJOR" issues is crazy.

[@ThunderingRoar]

@Corey When the hell was DF "handwaving away performance dips"?? >"nothing looked bad at all" >ps3 graphics running 540p on switch

[@christianr.5868]

@@ThunderingRoar I mean it's not the first time. The naruto storm games also run at 540p and we're 720p on ps3. It's likely a choice made by devs to pick a lower clock speed in portable mode to save battery life

[@seemoremacstuff]

It’s a shame the Switch version doesn’t run at 720P in handheld and 1080P docked. That is what I was hoping for. Oh well.

[@scootakuh3142]

I couldn't help myself. Even though I already have P5 and P5R on my PS4 Pro I couldn't resist buying it again for PS5. I know the difference is marginal, but playing at 60fps makes it feel all the more smoother to play. Pity Atlus couldn't give us cross save though, but I enjoy the game so much I'm happy to play through from scratch again.

[@ot9523]

I just got it on PS5 for £22 on Amazon I’ve never played it before

[@MrPhange]

I briefly tried this out on Steam Deck before returning it, and I agree the screen just doesn't do the game justice. Wound up getting it on Switch OLED instead. It's not a perfect port by any means, but it does run well. So that's something.

[@Kirbycatcher]

If you’re debating between Deck and Switch, just stop, pick a version, and enjoy this amazing game.

[@booopoop9767]

deck version

[@miserablepile]

Steam Deck OLED will tear this game up

[@Atma-HD]

I play P5R on PC and it's by far the best version. With 200% resolution scale it looks SOOOO freaking good and runs very well. I'm super happy with the PC version!

[@corey2232]

The PC version actually has a ton of issues though... it's easily the worst port of this game. Perhaps you just don't notice all the little problems this conversion has. Even worse, the Game Pass version doesn't allow you to get into the EXE file to fix some of them.

[@Tsiri]

@@corey2232 It's also further censored on PC for South Korea. Fear not, there are uncensor mods/patches already. Raidou DLC, Japanese symbolism, and dialogue restored.

[@corey2232]

@@Tsiri I didn't even know about that... that's very odd! I've just noticed weird graphical issues, performance drops that are unrelated to settings, AA problems, lots of crashing & even some long load times at certain points for some odd reason I'm still enjoying the 4k/60 fps but can't help but think the Series X & PS5 aren't having these issues

[@corey2232]

@Adequately_Inane I usually love GP (for PC) as it was like $5 a month when I signed up. But yeah, there's a downside too, and this is one of them. Though I do like that you get achievements from it.

[@Atma-HD]

@@corey2232 That's not true at all. I'm 21 hours in P5R at the moment and had not a single issue. Have ypu played it for yourself or are just repeat the nonsense you've read in the steam forums?

[@Urlastnerve]

This Switch port is EXTREMELY well done. I had an entire play through on my switch and loved every second.

[@yamazakitakahiro5515]

They should bump the resolution of the switch to 600p Portable 900p Docked and 1440p on series s

[@gabrielhuie3221]

It's crazy how the switch version is the most requested and the one that probably sells the most, and they haven't worked more on it. Still, it seems that in general, Atlus or Sega, didn't put a lot of money in these conversions because damn, that the S Series version doesn't reach 1080p is very rare for a game from two generations ago.

[@WaffleCake]

I often find that Oliver's reviews lack satisfying story structure. His voice over is somewhat monotonous which greatly compounds this effect. I often click these videos excitedly and feel utterly lost within a minute or so.

[@Ligytdr]

There are also lots of redundant comments. Unfortunately, I think this video was a bit disappointing I've been waiting for an in depth review of the ports for a while now, as surprisingly, none were made. But aside from some definitive resolution info, there wasn't anything all that interesting about these

[@WackoWambo]

Thank god y’all covered this! Expecting a digital foundry video for fire emblem engage this January!!!

[@anon_y_mousse]

Now the question is, when is Persona 6 going to come out.

[@dannonyogurt98]

Sounds like if they opted for adaptive resolution we might have seen 720P in a lot of cases on the switch.

[@afterburnerrr_]

Steam deck at 1080p? Isn't the screen's resolution only 800p? Why go higher and waste performance?

[@Ligytdr]

That's not how it works. Just because the screen itself is lower res, doesn't mean you can't notice any changes if anything is rendered above that resolution It's downscaled, but it will still look sharper I used to have a pretty crappy monitor, that wasn't even 720p, but I put my games on 1080p and there would always be a clear difference from the 720p so yeah, it is worth putting P5 on 1080p on the Deck. Users report it looks better and it's worth the performance hit for some (if you don't already struggle to get 60 in crowded areas tho)

[@onepiece190993]

The Switch Port need the Xenoblade 3 treatment to really shine, Monolith are really good at they job

[@RegalPixelKing]

I found it odd that Royal was not 60fps in the first place when it was released on PS4. I mean at the end of the day it is a PS3 games with a bit of extra flare, I feel like the PS4 version could have hit 60fps with an issue. I bet the PS5 and Xbox Series X versions are also barely trying, I bet it might be possible to hit 120fps if the frame rate limiter was removed. At least we've got the PC port where it's honestly pretty easy to hit 4k at 120fps.

[@Ligytdr]

Catherine Full Body also wasn't 60FPS on the PS4 for no good reason I think Atlus was just really, really avoiding unlocking their games' FPS until they started porting to PC, a platform where 30FPS ports are ridiculed these days

[@RegalPixelKing]

@@Ligytdr And even then some games, like SMT3 was still locked to 30fps. Now that's because that game was a remaster, not a remake, and game logic is tied to the frame rate. But for $50 they should have put in the extra effort for a dynamic frame rate.

[@JackisJack_]

The reason is very simple, and it’s sadly something gamers struggle to comprehend at times. Persona 5’s animations and art style were stylized around 30 frames per second. The animators clearly used the lower framerate to help stylize animations to be weightier and more suited to the comic book/manga-esque feeling the game’s user interface has. P5R looks okay in 60 FPS, gamers get a fucking massive hard on the higher a framerate is regardless of context so of course, they adore it. However when you compare it side by side to 30 FPS gameplay, a lot of animations feel way floatier and lack the same impact as they did in 30, moving either too fast or too smoothly to the point where they not only don’t have the same expressive style, but they move so fast that you barely have the time to comprehend them. TL;DR: P5 and P5R were ran in 30 FPS on purpose for the sake of ensuring the articulately designed animations made by their art team to fit the style and artwork more.

[@Ligytdr]

@@JackisJack_ Eh, for that exact reason, many of the animations that did not fit well were kept at 30FPS in the higher FPS ports... Dialogue bars, the infiltration results screen... and more. And they blend in just fine Even though P5 was heavily stylized around 30FPS, it wasn't a justification to not put some extra effort onto what's able to run at 60 without looking strange (literally most of the stuff apart the UI) to do so sure, some attacks and part of the UI that was unlocked do look floatier, like you said, but I highly doubt that and a few other effects not being faithful were the sole reason to avoid a 60FPS upgrade, even when the PS4 Pro came out, as Catherine Full Body and other Atlus games just never got 60FPS upgrades, either, it was just Atlus being Atlus and again, the rest of P5 looks absolutely fine in 60FPS, so even if they took what you said in consideration, it's quite a bad decision over so little effects. At least it's how I see it

[@JackisJack_]

@@Ligytdr I can almost guarantee you it was entirely a stylized choice. Framerate in stylized animation isn’t the same as getting 350 FPS in a game of Apex so that you get the fastest response time. Stylized animation is about appealing to the human eye with an artistic vision that the creators had in mind, and P5 did that beautifully in 30 FPS. That’s why the game is almost uncannily smooth in 60. Ask literally any art or animation major on the face of this planet and they will tell you that framerate doesn’t equal quality. P5 is one of the many examples of that. It has nothing to do with laziness lol.

[@enthusiasticgmgaming4165]

On the Steam Deck section what is up with your brightness??

[@razmspiele25]

Getting tired of the terrible compromises to play excellent games on Switch.

[@Evie0133]

Your Steam Deck performance is a bit interesting to me, maybe newer updates have fixed it, mine runs P5R at 1080p high settings just fine, with locked 60fps. It would be amazing if the display was OLED like the Switch, but I still had a blast :D

[@Biddybalboa]

now it is

[@Evie0133]

@@Biddybalboa DAMN RIGHT and the Steam Deck OLED is soooooo good :)

[@marxistlynchist]

I heard so many good things from the Switch port so bought it. Though its absolutely playable and I don't regret the purchase- it easily could've had a higher resolution in handheld. Sega handled the port instead of Atlus or P-Studio - presumably to get the game out in time with the other platforms - so I wonder what the image quality would've been like if it was done internally since they're more familar with the engine after porting Catherine to Switch.

[@hteekay]

Switch version of a little blurry 3d graphics doesn't affect much of your enjoyment for the game. If you own a switch, you're pretty much have gotten used to it by now. All I care is the performance and I've been playing it non stop since I got it, never close the game, never turn off the console and only have been putting it on sleep for over a week now and it never stutters or crash at all. Persona 5 royal for switch is a great port.

[@traceries5201]

It seems Atlus is not technically strong when it comes to ports and platform efficiency which in some ways should be surprising given they have developed almost exclusively for one platform. It is unfortunate bc it feels like an experienced port company could have gotten more out of Switch and given the full price of the release it would have been more satisfying. I was anxiously awaiting the Switch port right up until release when I managed to get a PS5. It is now likely that is where I will play this game though I am glad it is finally available elsewhere and for a wider audience.

[@aldifrpf1188]

The Switch port is pretty decent. Peopl are being too harsh on a 300$ handheld that came out in 2017.

[@Ramunas211]

It's not decent considering that Switch is more powerful than a ps3

[@obi-wan3916]

Xenoblade 3 is the high standard for switch releases from a technical perspective. Persona 5 at least runs the interface/dialogue boxes at crisp and vibrant native resolution on the OLED handheld. Compare this to NMS which is a blurry mess and actually gives me eyestrain (no other game on my Switch OLED has done this).

[@MadmanEpic]

The performance issue you were running into on Deck sounds more like a shader compilation issue than anything. If this was being recorded prior to public release I wouldn't be surprised if most reviewers only played the opening on Deck just to check it's performance, resulting in shader caches for later areas not being available and needing to be compiled.

[@goggamanxp]

Shaders are precompiled on the Steam Deck

[@JNCGaming]

He said he ran the game at 1080p on deck he must have been docked ??? I got it running perfectly at 720p 60 no dock.

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@JNCGaming I forget what it's called but the area with gunshop that city can drop to mid 40s constantly

[@JNCGaming]

@@Spencerwalker21 interesting, even at 720 60? I haven’t noticed any thing substantially dropping but maybe I tweaked more setting then I’m remembering

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@JNCGaming palaces never drop only high trafficed npc areas and even then I had to 180 the camera to force a drop but it does the performance graph shows 25 mm response time but you don't really feel the drops imo capping at. 99% of the game imo is the palaces so I'll keep 60 locked fine with minor dips in the city.

[@nitmare64]

Good video but I gave it a thumbs down just for Deck resolution. Why play the game at 1080p when the screen is 720p? Just play it natively to see what we dealing with. Super fail there.

[@masterquake7]

While I am still having fun with the game, I was quite disappointed with the half-assed port job where they did a bare minimum for getting it over to Switch at 30fps. I'm sure they just wanted to rush this game out to cash in. I've had it crash twice on me too so it isn't just a poor effort on graphics. Here's to hoping some patches come out to help.

[@CrimsonFrenchie]

60€ just for 60fps on PS5, Series S|X and PC isn't justifiable. Not even 120fps on PC is justifiable. They should've priced the ports to 40€ or less. And plus the Raidou outfit is gone on the PS5, Series S|X, One (og, S and X) and Switch. It is gone on PC as well but it can be modded back in so it's no big deal. PlayStation players also get the short end of the stick, no free upgrade from the PS4 version to the PS5 version for those who already have it. The Xbox version has smart delivery and it's on gamepass.

[@RicochetForce]

Correct, this fundamentally a years old port of PS3 game's "Special Edition". Atlus' pricing is nuts.

[@Ddiaboloer]

What do you mean? I am playing the game at 120fps just fine

[@CrimsonFrenchie]

@@Ddiaboloer I'm talking about pricing. 60 euros just for a 120fps upgrade isn't justifiable

[@Ddiaboloer]

@@CrimsonFrenchie Worth it for the mods imo. Felt the same about the Kingdom Hearts PC ports

[@kentstopme]

Yeah a 3 year old port of a enhanced rerelease of a 2016 game is $60

[@veldhuis94]

Might look into this game on Switch, I watched this to see if performance was up to scratch. Glad it is- I don't mind the reduced render res and texture quality too much

[@samlepirate4845]

PS5 one is the worst, most expensive 60fps patch of a PS4 game. Screw atlus

[@xenohiraeth]

Im about 70% through the switch port. The choice to output the UI at full res saves the port. I'm hoping they can patch in a higher 3d resolution, but overall I think they made the right choices.

[@shortsrus]

Only place with significant performance drops is one area in the final palace, where the color bridge puzzle is (at least on my system)

[@MadX8]

Would have been useful info if we knew what console or system you're talking about

[@Ligytdr]

A bit disappointed there were so few comments on the "Steam Deck version" (which is the PC one) Most of the time dedicated to it was saying how the Deck's screen is worse than the OLED Switch's and this is bad for P5 especially, since the game's visuals use much of pure blacks... Anyway, the game does seem to have a trouble on crowded or open areas in the PC version, as some people reported getting 120FPS everywhere, but then a massive drop in crowded areas or even the second half of the second palace, even though it has nothing of special there. Should probably be fixed in a future patch, but it's definitely an issue with the port, not our specs or the Steam Deck's As for resolution and texture quality, there IS a difference. Textures are upscaled like, 4x. Probably AI upscaled, but still, it is not the same thing as the other ports and I'm not sure if, even on the Deck's unimpressive screen, that would look worse than a 540p version, just because it's on an OLED screen, but I don't have a Switch, so I can't confirm anything. Opinions vary, I suppose

[@modestyblaise4167]

I certainly wouldn’t choose to play it on the Switch, despite owning an OLED model. Yes, the screen really is incredible and the blacks definitely work well for Persona 5, but with a fixed 540p resolution there’s no way I’m going to play a 100+ hour game on it. Seriously, you make out that the Steam Deck has a vile screen when in practice the game looks and plays well on it. In addition, max quality 1080p from the Deck’s dock is far more pleasant than the low quality 720p output from the Switch dock. I don’t understand your thinking 🤔

[@reelFUTURE]

WELP, I guess I'll get this on the PS5. I wouldn't mind switch but if it's below the native hand held resolution, it doesn't do it for me. No harm done for anyone who loves the Switch version, of course!

[@MrSmokinDragon]

on steamdeck, I get stable 60fps even when outputting 1080p to an external display. I have seen nothing of the dips reported here...

[@MPaulPhoenix]

Atlus/Sega's greed is on another level, it is seriously messed up that you have to pay 70 eur for the PS5 version even if you own the PS4 version of the game. They literally changed two graphics/system settings....

[@GaramPL]

It's interesting how whenever steam deck is mentioned everybody pretends that only OLED switch exists while in reality LCD versions are more popular 🤔

[@helmi5045]

He specifically talked about the OLED Switch. Also who tf buys a non OLED Switch nowadays. Waste of money. OLED is a huge upgrade

[@leonthesleepy]

So... basically if i owned the PS4 Royal version, i have to pay full price JUST to get 60fps on my PS5?!

[@MegaTrevor04]

I think it is all the xbox platfroms that hurt the switch, they have to effectively create like like 5-6 system sets so it's probably hard to create a very good port for one of them like the Switch when they could just develop a scaling system that works for all of them.

[@ricardoaguilar6946]

Bayonetta 3.

[@pixel9719]

I was waiting for this

[@tenshin2002]

Just judged by your own off-screen footage, the Steam Deck version looks significantly better than the Switch version. Switch version had the vaseline effect all over the screen. What a weird recommendation to chose the Switch Oled over the Steam Deck.

[@AceWing905]

Been waiting for this, though I already couldn't resist and bought the game after looking at other reviews While a less than ideal Switch port, as a handheld-only player, I'm glad they opted to do this in a way where the framerate is solid rather than focus on the resolution

[@MadX8]

It's a good port actually. Rock solid 30fps (which is the most important) and fast loading time. The Xbox One S is only 900p, not that far from the Switch in docked mode. As for the resolution and texture quality, let's be honest, you barely notice them in handheld. DF always zoom in to show the imperfection but it doesn't mean that's something you'll see. I'm glad they went for a stable framerate rather than higher resolution you would not notice much

[@libardomm.trasimaco]

If you have a switch modded, you can enjoy your game with a 720p resolution with a patch.

[@sirlimen333]

JOKER FROM PERSONA 5 ON THE MICROSOFT XBOX

[@wile123456]

540p on switch? Well hello PlayStation Vita. Your resolution is and odd showing here in 2022

[@datalphalion]

Sega deserves massive props for making these ports work.

[@Kawikacheco]

On Steam Deck I have never seen it dip the way the Oliver is showing. I am curious which model of the deck he is using. I keep the fps monitor up for whatever reason and I only see it dip below 60 when its loading and as soon as the game starts its 100% 60 fps all of the time. I've read about other users not being able to maintain 60 fps too so I am wondering why? Why are we seeing this difference between steam decks? I set the resolution to 1080p in the system menu to clear up the text as recommended by Proton DB. If you have the ability decky goes a long way to making the color more "punchy" on the deck. With Oliver's recommendation, I bought the Switch version because I knew I would want to play this portably. Normally, I think the OLED is always worth the trade off, but I found in Persona 5 that it was way over saturated and the overall image was overly dark to the point of losing the ability to point out some of the detail in the shows without futzing with the brightness. This is entirely unusual for me to say, but I don't agree with DF on this one. Deck is by far the way to go if you want the ability to play it portably.

[@ironmaidenmetalgod]

This game on the deck is a treat. Love it.

[@JNCGaming]

Definitely my favorite way to play. 720p at 60fps works so nicely for me!

[@rottinjonny]

Just FYI, the Series X runs the game unlocked with VRR. It’s basically pegged at 120 fps on my LG C1. There isn’t even an option to lock it to 60 in the game’s menus. Not important to the gameplay style, but worth mentioning since this video is about performance.

[@mikeluttor]

Please do No More Heroes 3 next, i've heard that it's poorly optimized on next gen. There's also people saying that the PC port has the switch graphics and did not received the next gen enhancements.

[@iambrd1543]

You should honestly look at the ark switch re-port. It's impressive stuff given how badly optimized the game is

[@SOTVT]

The game has one of the best soundtracks ever made🥰

[@armanghazaryan5353]

Facts!

[@unicorntomboy9736]

Only beaten by Nier Automata in my opinion

[@armanghazaryan5353]

@@unicorntomboy9736 Automata has one of the best OST's as well. It's really hard to choose the winner between these 2.

[@TheChickenx18]

You forgot about the extreme screen tearing of the PS3 version!

[@jgodden8022]

I love the way that the obvious changes between original P5 and Royal are described as 'only noticeable side by side', and then the lesser differences visible in the Switch version are seemingly massive issues. Oh Digital Foundry, never change.

[@pretentiouscarrot4292]

Nintendo isn't going to blow you

[@KenBladehart]

Obviously you gonna notice it because the video pointing it out When playing on the device, you wouldnt notice it. Even if you do, youre actively looking out for it

[@jgodden8022]

@@pretentiouscarrot4292 Um okay? For the record I played P5R on Xbox and Steam Deck, not Switch. My comment was an observation on how tech analysts can't often see the wood from the trees. I hope you eventually grow out of your console-war phase.

[@jgodden8022]

@@KenBladehart You do realise your comment essentially applies to the majority of analyses produced by the likes of Digital Foundry, right? My point was the the discernible differences between, say, textures shown at 1:55 and colour grading show at 2:13 are far more obvious to an average viewer than the differences between the Switch and other versions (see the baked shadows comparison at 3:57, which hardly anyone would ever notice in motion), especially if they're viewing on the in-built screen. Yet you wouldn't know that from the way the analyst described these things.

[@wesley6571]

Made the mistake of buying this on switch without checking, it's a bit too low resolution for me I cant handle the blur. Disappointing.

[@radnorio3180]

I played p5 on a ps3 emulator at 30fps 720p. Now I get to see it at a crispy 120 frames 1440p and it’s beautiful to see and experience. It’s like coming home from long trip.

[@kimisha19]

Me too, played the PS3 version emulated at 30fps/720p, played Royal on the PS4 at 30fps/1080p and then PC at chrispy 60fps. Such a great game, especially when this smooth.

[@LordShrub]

Try going even higher by setting render scale to 200%. I get 100 fps at 2880p and it fixes some of the aliasing.

[@Urlastnerve]

Man, I’m so close to buying a Steam Deck. Can someone that has one tell me your unbiased opinion on it? Like, what are your biggest critiques for it?

[@nekogirlbeth123]

I was waiting for this! From what I've seen online these ports are somewhat modified from the orginal so I'm interested to see how they work more in-depth!

[@DuwangKaizer]

I think the Steam Deck Issues are caused by DENUVO, which is a DRM which is infamous for using up the PC's resources, like high CPU usage and excessive writes on the system storage which causes the lifespan of an SSD to be reduced significantly. Not only that, Games that use Denuvo are rendered unplayable due to the domain name being expired. SEGA always uses this DRM for their PC Ports.

[@Shevchenkocss]

Few years back i played P5 on the PS4 .. Now im playing it on my sofa on steam deck. Good time to be alive 👌

[@Boulder7685]

Since I played both the original and Royal on my PS4 Slim with a 720p TV, the resolution P5R runs at on my OLED model is A-Okay, and the 30 FPS lock is absolutely preferable to me even as a turn-based game. There is no game format I’d rather not have 30 FPS-locked at a minimum.