PERSONAL SKILLS after 2200 HOURS Maddening

[@JustLoki35]

Louis's personal skill isn't about two ladies being into him. It's about two ladies being into each other and he gets to admire. Like a based Himedanshi.

[@MasterStacona]

Something to try for fun on Saphir is Berserker, Leif ring, and Reprisal+ inherit so you have the hit rate while being in vantage stat and have all that hp loss by being a berserker for insane damage output.

[@torybeaudet3820]

You can farm Elixer’s from Wyvern Ride homie I’ve easily gotten 10+! Also Gregory and Anna are tied for best Mag growth in the game @50%. Citrenne is really good too but falls a bit shorter @40%.

[@jamesellis983]

Just 2 notes for generosity: it does in fact combo with gentle flower, and you spread the full value of the hp restored even if citrine herself isn't missing that much health. This gives a really easy use case in giving citrine resonance (You almost certainly need the well for this). Even if she's missing a few hp from resonance, she can still use that to spread an elixer heal.

[@pandabanaan9208]

Since the dlc wasn't discussed I'll give my opinion Gregory: probably ok, in theory it should be good but it's just on the wrong unit, greg doesn't really want to be in the situation the skill procks and his speed is really bad anyways so he struggles with avoid Madeline: it's like louis but easier to trigger, when paired with great knight(wich is probably her best class) she can pretty easily take 5 less true damage, I've seen that maddening enemy attack gets pretty wack so this could go one of two ways, either it lets her tank better or she might end up being ignored, maybe ok Zelestia: probably good though it depends, if you have several hit struggling units this skill could be really good, though I suppose even then it could help hit some 100% hit thresholds on the faster enemies Nel: this one is probably good because it gives her 10 crit for having rafal do his thing, though I suppose you could say that it entirely depending on rafal holds it back Rafal: probably good but I think it's worse then panette and nel because you won't always be able to meet the condition required meaning it isn't as consistent, still 10 crit is 10 crit and for some reason rafal has a tendency to hit low crits with dragonstones

[@redchicken5533]

26:06 you could say Zelkov's personal is *not quite* A tier

[@diegobrandomtg]

1:30 oh… he doesn’t know…

[@goroadachi9489]

Oh my…he really doesn’t

[@charlotteamos9632]

heteronormative mindset 😔

[@Noobieedu]

@@goroadachi9489 i wanna know

[@Everdistance]

​@@Noobieedu You know Nina from Fates, where she's into dude-on-dude and has a personal skill that buffs her when shes near two guys paired up? Louis is basically that but with two girls.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Yeah he joins with two female units who he protects and gets better at tanking when he is defending two female units. People love reading into things though :)

[@MasterStacona]

S tier (Really shapes the character's identity, some factors in that unit's growths): ~Alear [Best passive in the game by far.] ~Veyle [Second best passive right below Alear's.] ~Lapis [Very easy to trigger hit/avoid passive on the fastest unit with a ton of supports allows for some insane avoid tanking and able to hit high avoid enemies.] ~Framme [One of the fastest units with an avoid passive allows for avoid tanking and offers to your force deploy as well.] ~Louis [Very focused role of high defense with a defensive passive to really cement him as a true super tank, easy to proc, especially with female Alear and Framme together.] ~Boucheron [Scales with crit and speed which are both of his strong points and it is very easy to trigger.] ~Clanne [Hit fixing for himself and Alear, very underrated passive.] ~Amber [Warriors struggle with hit in the end game and this will hit fix them, while still being an absolute nuke with his strength growth. Berserker Amber might have potential too.] ~Hortensia ~Seadall ~Anna [Money.] ~Jean [Allows him to be the best at most classes.] ~Pandreo [Hit and avoid passive on a fast unit.] ~Merrin [Hit and avoid for her female allies just for existing near them, makes Framme and Lapis an even stronger avoid tank.] A tier (Very great, solid passives overall): ~Zelestia [Supportive hit fixing passive, very good.] ~Zelkov [Very good avoid tanking passive, is only A tier because of his average speed holding him back from being a truly great avoid tank.] ~Diamat [Considering he wants to use axes, a hit passive is incredibly useful for him.] ~Celine ~Kagetsu [Pretty good, but a hit passive on a high dex user that by default uses swords and does not have the build for axes for the end game makes it slightly redundant. Can really only make use of this as a sniper since griffin knights have high avoid so you are actually getting value out of it then.] ~Madeline [Only works on enemy phase, very easy to trigger, really places her as a tank.] B tier (Pretty good and/or good in niche scenarios): ~Rafal ~Panette ~Yunaka [Great when you pull it off, but a lot of the time it is hard to trigger, especially if you going the crit dagger route which are all 1 range weapons. Better as a Sniper since you are now a ranged crit user.] ~Mauvier [He has 50% def growth, dude is a tank, he also has an increased def cap with high magic so if you place him as a sage he will be capped def, being a higher def cap than the others, and can get a further +2 def if you ever wanted to enemy phase with him. Or you can make him a general and tank even better and not be broken since his STR growth is still pretty good.] ~Saphir ~Lindon ~Alcryst ~Alfred ~Gregory C tier (Pretty bad overall, but still can be useful in very niche scenarios): ~Jade ~Bunet [Has potential for constant emblem resets with Celica's skill inherit.] ~Vander ~Citrinne ~Timerra [Not great, but there is worse, giving Dodge is better than not giving Dodge.] ~Rosado [Too niche to be good.] F tier (Absolute worthless trash): ~Etie ~Ivy [Either unit or foe will be dead before this can occur.] ~Goldmary [Avoid passive in niche scenarios, too bad she is insanely slow so she just gets hit by everything even when it procs.] ~Fogado ~Nel Beyond F tier (Out of spite to Coffee): ~Chloe [She dies to archers, absolute trash unit. This is A tier because it is a might passive that scales with speed, but harder to proc than Boucheron's passive and she is not a crit unit so Boucheron gets more value out of it.]

[@pandabanaan9208]

Personally I have found succes with flier mauv, griffin if you want to keep staves and wyvern for offense, he has really good bases so he will have like 19 magic in wyvern wich is one of the only classes with good def and mag caps since usually either one will be low and mauv will hit those caps due to his bases(the other is halberdier but flame lance bad so no), I don't think sage is a good example to show of his bulk as he only gets 1 extra defense and sage is the most fragile class in the game physically(low hp, low def, pretty underwhelming speed)

[@MasterStacona]

@@pandabanaan9208 Sage is for his magic. General is for bulk.

[@Yarharsuperpirate]

Vander and Clanne honestly should have swapped personal skills. You don't want your Jagen unit getting crits a majority of the time, but that extra crit chance on Clanne could come in clutch early game Especially since Clanne doesn't have to many accuracy issues early on

[@enk273]

Probably the best thing I've done with Lindon's passive in a no somniel run was giving him Celica and using Ragnarok which has +10 crit. When he uses Echo to shoot at targets he would oneround with normal attack he has a decent chance to convert the Echo into a kill, and use the follow-up on a fresh enemy instead of finishing the initial target. Celica also comes back after he joins, and damage fixes his magic.

[@pandabanaan9208]

Covert corrin can be good on sniper, you can put down fog, 3 range debuff, magic helps with radiant bow and -20 avoid added on dreadfull aura wich helps against some more dodgy enemies and bosses, the only issue is that the only default covert archers have bad magic so you would need to reclass someone to sniper to get full use of radiant bow

[@MNtoCali]

Timerra crt immunity is broken

[@MasterStacona]

I am doing a Berserker Etie playthrough, so far it is going extremely well, I might be able to just keep canter and momentum (though does not really benefit a brave axe) while holding Eirika and she just will walk up and one shot fools with a tomahawk / brave axe. Plus she has supports with Celine and Lapis who only give her hit rate so standing next to either of them will hit fix her. It is basically a run up, nuke, and run out because cool girls don't look at explosions; very fun playstyle. Berserker overall is a glass cannon, but they have so much HP that they can take a hit. Also, Etie is average def, but Berserker has a very low def and res cap. Etie is not bad speed, she is average speed. Etie has no passive. Berserker has no passive because if you do use a smash axe as a berserker you will one shot the target so instead of knocking back 2 spaces, you knock the target down 6 spaces into the grave. Avoid tank Berserker Lapis is working out so far too, but most importantly Lapis is adorable in the berserker outfit, canter and avoid+20 inherits, Lucina engrave tomahawk and byleth engrave silver greataxe (that will probably get moved to someone else later). P.S. Don't try too many axe classes at the same time unlike what I am doing here... I am being forced to find more creative ways to get hit rate in, especially utilizing supports better than I have.

[@benlecoyte322]

for Boucheron he is skill is really good if you give him a brave weapon and considering he has really good spd and can quad thats +8 to his damage each time a dual assist activates which can be a lot

[@neraklh1017]

You don't need much invest Lindon, reclass him into warrior like every other units in this game he is good to go. He can Crit with killer Axe/bow, can use Radiant bow. To dmg fix him you only need give him Roy, +8 strengh is 24 when crit. People underestimate how fucking insane innate 20% Crit is it bothers me, and because he is so late, his passive is almost always online on Maddening.

[@pandabanaan9208]

Vander's probably deserves to go in bad since it harms his role as a jaegan wich is the only thing he is good at anyways Mauvier's isn't super good but maybe it could help him enemy phase slightly better in other classes since royal knight isn't the best for him anyways

[@sam_xd282]

Jean overall sucks early game but I noticed if staff bots when he becomes a sage he can normally one round armors so I can use my other mage units against other units

[@Awesublime]

Yunaka’s personal skill + Corrin is bait tbh. Put her on Sniper or Bow Knight with a killer bow and she crits in just about every combat that she doubles. I see her passive as just extra crit if it’s available on the map but never necessary. And Corrin is so much better on a 3 range/Fire vein user.

[@MasterStacona]

Boucheron is faster than Chloe. 55+5% = 60% 45+20%=65% As long as you make use of Boucheron's build, he is faster and the heavy weapons have a lot more might which means he does more damage than Chloe, plus he has the highest dex so he is a crit unit which also might fixes (his passive works with crit and speed). If you stick Chloe on the same weapons as Boucheron, then he is just faster than Chloe with an easier to proc passive. The only thing Chloe can do that Boucheron cannot is be on a magical class.

[@goroadachi9489]

But they don’t use the same weapons. And since Build does not equal speed he is not faster because you are not gonna give Chloé an Axe.

[@benlecoyte322]

@@goroadachi9489 Build is basically what decides if you double or not as if the weapon is stronger than your build it will slow you down

[@goroadachi9489]

@@benlecoyte322 No that would still be speed. As it subtracts from your speed. Also in this case, they will not ever be using the same weapon, because there is no reason for them to be using the same weapon.

[@MasterStacona]

Citrinne Sniper logic is because Citrinne has +3 magic cap and Anna is only +1 magic, sniper and warrior have the same magic cap, bow knight is +3 magic on sniper. Veyle is the other +3 magic cap as well; only Citrinne, Veyle, Mauvier, and Anna have the growth to hit cap.

[@pandabanaan9208]

And greg

[@MasterStacona]

@@pandabanaan9208 But Gregory's hit rate though, even as a sniper.

[@pandabanaan9208]

@@MasterStacona yeah I guess that is a thing, I almost always give him sigurd's hit + skill to fix his hit and he typically does pretty well, he also has pretty decent strenght growth meaning he can also use regular weapons pretty well

[@MasterStacona]

@@pandabanaan9208 as a sage, just a good hit engrave will fix his thoron

[@pandabanaan9208]

@@MasterStacona I just find slapping hit + on him to be the simplest course of action since it means all his tomes get the benefit and he doesn't really benefit from other skills that much since his speed will never be good enough to double anything other then armors and like what else do you put on a sage, I do give him draconic hex as well in recent runs since it pairs well with soren mainly cataclysm as a massive debuff super move, I do want to try him in a physical class since he has the growths and bases for it(seriously the guy has like 30 strenght and 35 defense growth wich is on par with many physical units as well as 55 hp growth)

[@orkiso1]

1:30 lmaoooo no, he ships the girls, that's his gimmick. Chloe and Louis both ship each other with Celine

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

He Ships them? Does he work in importing and exporting?

[@orkiso1]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming LOL, "fantasizes about them getting togethrr" if you will

[@Neucher]

What other games do you have a similar amount of playtime

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

TF2 (2500), Guild Wars 1 (5k+)

[@deklou-l471]

Aspiring Hero means you can't use alear's and veyle's passive, Dual support, can't be bonded, and more importantly, can benefit from support bonus In another game it might be ok, but in this game, i would say this is bad.

[@ellachino4799]

He can just attack first and then everyone else can walk up to him

[@deklou-l471]

but his combat would not benefit from any bonus@@ellachino4799

[@redchicken5533]

Conversely, it means that you have hit plus 20 whether you are using supports or not. It gives you more options.

[@MasterStacona]

Jean will be better at any class that Kagetsu could run on. And Jean is better on classes that Kagetsu cannot run on. Second seal at level 1: Archer into Sniper, he has pretty good str and insane dex for very high crit rates; strongest physical sniper in the game. Second seal at level 1: Axe Armour into General, he has very high strength, hp, and def; strongest axe general in the game. Master > Second seal at level 10: Sage, Thoron with 4 staves, Thoron and Nova in the end game with 3 staves; strongest sage in the game. These are insanely strong for Jean. He would be the fastest Swordmaster, Griffin Knight, and Wolf Knight in the game too. Berserker could be worth checking out, extreme levels of hp and str to go for one shots, but you would need to get him from level 1 to 10 as an axe fighter is the problem which is the worst base class in the game.

[@goroadachi9489]

Second Sealing Jean at level one is just not it. You already have to level him up, and then you have to wait for Second Seals. Then try to level him up on maps that are harder when he loses his free EXP source. At that point, just use Kagetsu.

[@MasterStacona]

@@goroadachi9489 just spam great sacrifice, but you second seal him for the growths

[@goroadachi9489]

@@MasterStacona Or I could just use that strategy for someone who will gain more from having that Exp sooner

[@MasterStacona]

@@goroadachi9489 That made no sense.

[@goroadachi9489]

@@MasterStacona You have a unit that literally cannot contribute anything meaningful for like 3 maps after his recruitment, then giving him an early second seal hogging the best EXP ring.

[@MasterStacona]

Kagetsu is 30% str, Saphir is 35% str. Then Clanne is 35% str, 40% dex, 50% speed with a hit passive and like 35% or 40% def, his hp is a low 45%, but warrior will fix that.

[@ProtoTypeFM]

IntLevel 16 Kagetsu Warrior has 41HP, 11Bld, 23Str, 20Dex, 18Spd, 14Def, 10Res. IntLevel 16 Warrior Clanne has 35HP, 9Bld, 18Str, 19Dex, 18Spd, 12Def, 9Res. His stats are literally ALL worse, except for a single tie. And Kagetsu is a free unit that you dont have to drag up from level 1 and seal twice. Leveling up isnt doing him much of a favor either. Level 35 Clanne Warrior has 47HP, 10Bld, 28Str, 28Dex, 30Spd, 19Def, 15Res. Level 35 Kagetsu Warrior has 57HP, 13Bld, 32Str, 32Dex, 30Spd, 23Def, 15Res. Same stats or worse across the board. This is why you cant evaluate a unit purely based on Growths or caps or bases, you have to actually examine what the actual stats are going to look like with everything included.