Fake vs Real Bell & Ross BR 03-92 Instrument Automatic (BR0392-BLC-ST) - Perth WAtch

[@michaelthomas4890]

Great comparison. I will certainly use this to improve my next batch of fakes so that they are indistinguishable from the real thing!

[@PerthWAtch]

You should've borrowed the real one and got it right from the start mate ;)

[@0scarcalderon]

Please share the link of the website where you sell

[@lukabaresic520]

Michael Thomas contact me about the site where you sell it..

[@spankyharland9845]

criticism is the best way to improve your style ! I think I perfected my fake JLC's .

[@PerthWAtch]

Don’t post fake news - they’re not perfect 😂

[@eklypse13]

if a fake can be made that close to the original for a fraction of the price that just means the original is wayyyyyyyy overpriced and not worth the cost

[@Gustavo-dh5dx]

For half of B&R price you can have a Christopher Ward or Steinhardt

[@PerthWAtch]

For a small fraction of the price of the B&R (talking 20%) you can have a Steinhart. But not a CW. With regards to pricing, well if you cut out research & development, design and marketing costs... I'm sure the B&R would be much cheaper. But you wouldn't have that watch without all that backing now would we? ;) Keep in mind that knockoffs have zero design budget...

[@morningwaves]

Only fake people complain about authentic watches being overpriced. If an authentic watch is too expensive for you, get a cheaper authentic watch, not some shitty fake watch that pretends to be authentic

[@cosmalas7742]

Trouble is I like Miyota 9000. It's a good movement in a watch that is 300

[@morningwaves]

42treg Like I said, if you complain about something being overpriced, you really can’t afford it in the first place. Just get something you can afford instead of whining about how you don’t have the money for the watch you desire. And if you need to go the fake replica route it’s only you that’s losing sleep over it. People that have authentic watches don’t give a shit or even think about what hey could have saved or gotten for the same price.

[@wimbraber944]

The fake one has decent anti reflective coating and slightly better readability.

[@PerthWAtch]

Sounds like it’s the winner ;)

[@jmhxxivkt5331]

The date on the knock off seems clearer. Great vid, thanks Ivan.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks - hope it was helpful :)

[@paologramaglia6859]

If you by this (almost unknown model) instead of a fake Sub, it's because you LOVE the design and dont bother about the opinion you think the others have about you.

[@PerthWAtch]

That’s amazing!

[@johnfranklin6394]

The bezel on the real watch appears to have a broader high polished rim compared to the fake. Great and informative video, thanks for making it.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that - I think that was very difficult to tell apart actually...

[@guysnowden3572]

Noted the pin for the hands are silver verses black for the real one and the date window is deeper on the fake. Very cool video.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah that’s true, well spotted!

[@robertfeast7691]

My question is who is being ripped off. The guy who spends €4k on the Bell & Ross with an ETA movement or the guy who knowingly buys the knock for a couple of hundred. If the B&R had an in house chronometer movement I could see the value in it!

[@PerthWAtch]

The guy who knowingly buys the KO is not being ripped off I reckon. You get what you're paying for there.

[@internettrihard2955]

Wait, they use ETA movement for these? They’re charging over 3k and no in house?😂😂😂😂 WTF

[@PerthWAtch]

Look harder and you’ll easily find more expensive watches with ETA movements

[@speedzero7478]

@@PerthWAtch In house is vastly overrated. Especially if you value a thin watch.

[@PerthWAtch]

If you say so…

[@77cjam]

Think that point to take away is it's probably very easy (despite a lot of watch enthusiasts who will claim they will always know a fake) to be taken in by a fake and not everyone buying fakes will be doing so on purpose. Think it's easy to see when you compare two together like you have, but most people won't have that luxury to be able to compare. As you say, quite scary indeed and probably reason why the fake industry is big business

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes indeed, I think nearly impossible to tell without a side by side or having intimate knowledge of the original product. Anyone who tells you they can may well be proven wrong on a test!

[@ultimaetsolder]

I don't see the value in the real one.

[@PerthWAtch]

You're not alone there mate!

[@HatTrex]

Branding

[@PerthWAtch]

Don’t be silly Andrea, I never said or implied such a thing. You need to listen carefully before making false allegations. Have a nice day ;)

[@BryanO92]

The spacing between the reference number and 6:00 is obvious at a glance.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes you’re right, although you’d still need prior knowledge about which is the real one

[@reezevlog]

good call..but u still need the real one to compare...

[@hockeyrd99]

Well, it's obvious that the space is different, but there are plenty of models where that space is closer. I have a BR 03 92 Heritage and the text is closer.

[@Andrew-J316]

Wow amazing! On its own the fake one is hard to spot. Side by side I can see the real one has a color matched black center stem (were watch hands attach). The fake one is steel and not painted. That was the most obvious difference to me. $300 for fake! Yikes! :P

[@PerthWAtch]

Oh yes, well spotted there!!

[@jamienance8821]

One thing that stuck out to me was the date window/dial spacing. The date on the fake is much lower from the dial.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, that’s right!

[@glennsmooth1243]

I notice the flat head screws on the front of your 2 watches are lined up nicely. I just bought a new (real) BR 03-94 but the screws are not aligned like this. Should they be?

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes, they should line up - all photos of ones I have seen line up nicely.

[@andresurena_]

That is a definitively sign to worry, brand new original watches have all screws pointing to the middle, kinda like a signature move from BR.

[@512TXSDIY]

I love watches too. The honest truth is most non watch people can't tell if your watch is expensive or not nor do they care. This is a pretty interesting video though.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for the interest :)

[@EliteSim]

Wow, that is scary, what's more annoying though is that if these replica/fake makers of watches can do this good a job, why not make their own, clearly they have tooling and everything to do it. Why not just go legit? Well, I know why, but it is annoying. Honestly if I had the fake in hand (without the original) I'd probably never know. Thanks for highlighting this issue.

[@alexsdg3441]

regards to "why not just go legit?", i believe that most of fake Chinese companies can not go to legit due to the lack of marketing strategies, distribution channel (being in China) and most likely lack of FUND to set up many things that legit companies need. for me, one of the mos legit companies (still making a lot of homage watches) is San Martin coming directly from China. considering their quality and fit/finish, it would be double their selling price, only if they were marketing from USA side. (Ginault is the perfect example!)

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah I agree with Alex here... many "legit" companies do heavy homages of established designs, effectively having zero design cost. These rarely get above the swarm of such companies doing so, San Martin being a rare breed. To do something different and special involves cost and effort, which is the hard road many choose not to take...

[@EliteSim]

@@alexsdg3441 absolutely agree, there's a lot more to making a watch than just making a watch, I was just saying that clearly doing a job like this obviously wouldn't be cheap, so surely they wouldn't be too hard pushed to go legit. Anyways that's a whole different topic. As for marketing, primarily most makers use social media which is pretty much free unless you pay for ads, which again aren't that expensive - from what I gather. But, of course there's still so much more than just marketing and making the watch. I agree about San Martin too, I've had their 62 mas homage and was very impressed with that and I'd definitely get another.

[@EliteSim]

@@PerthWAtch no doubt, being original isn't cheap and like you said, why so many borrow heavily from more popular designs. Look at Parnis, pretty much their entire catalogue is homages to Rolex, omega, panerai etc. Running a watch company is understandably a lot more complex than just design and manufacture. If you check out SWC on KZbin, the owners go really into detail about what else is involved, they have some really fascinating and insightful videos. I'd definitely recommend checking them out if you haven't already.

[@PeteNice29]

@@EliteSim They can’t. Nothing Chinese has any brand cache. And like it or not, that is everything in regards to luxury products.

[@tarekalsharif4014]

thanks, what is the best loom you came across in your opinion

[@PerthWAtch]

Lume (for luminescent material) - check out my lume videos if you haven't already, but in brief for standard phosphorescent paint, a good application of SL-C3 or Lumibrite when done by Seiko is hard to beat. For overall resilience, tritium gas tubes kicks the stuffing out of everything else :)

[@russellharris5072]

Things in the replica world are improving all the time in terms of quality.I cannot for the life of me understand why they would fake a B&R,they're not exactly mainstream when compared to say IWC which would be less of a challenge to fake.We can all see however,how difficult it's becoming to spot a fake without a real one for reference and even then it's still not easy.I just wish these people would use their skills to produce their own brand and make an honest living....................

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes! I wish they would do that too... obviously have the tools, although perhaps coming up with original design and marketing it is too challenging...??

[@Legomax18]

They're not mainstream, but there's still enough replica watch aficionados out there to make it profitable. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if the existence of replicas helps BR's worldwide fame. I would have never heard of them if not for reps, and I haven't ruled out the possibility of one day buying a gen. I'm sure they've made sales as an indirect result of reps being a thing.

[@shaunharn1998]

A IWC would be harder to fake at least for the chronograph ones, Bell & Ross are probably the easiest to fake because of it's simple square case and dial design

[@BThaSmoovUno]

It comes down to cost...all costume jewelry is to look real at a fraction of the cost...Rappers wear fake all the time.

[@wyuk9170]

Where did you get the fake & what cost Vs the real one or a pre-owned one?

[@PerthWAtch]

Check out the video :)

[@PM-ky5pq]

I wonder how did you not mention Br 03-92 text positioning. Just by looking at it in the video, it looks more centered in real one, as opposed to fake, where text is more on the bottom at 6 o'clock

[@PerthWAtch]

It’s one of the mysteries of KZbin ;)

[@rjeric8185]

Is the Swiss made script different at the 6 o clock making the markers different?

[@PerthWAtch]

Something like that… I think basically they cocked up the copy. Or it was another version.

[@garyk8285]

Yeah difficult to tell indeed except for the caseback. Had a friend buy a Sea-Dweller from Noob, they even use platinum on the hour markers, they ain't cheap knock-offs, but rather high-end knock-offs...

[@PerthWAtch]

Wow... platinum... scary!!

[@chrisb5986]

Position of "Swiss" and "Made" right away. I do love those B&R watches. Very unique and masculine.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yep, that's different also

[@grav-8544]

I have one of the first released versions of this watch and some of the items that don't match the real watch are actually a match for the first versions of these. For example. The more greener loom on the fake matches my watch as does the spacing on the BR 03-92. So the lume and position of the BR03-92 alone are not as good indicators as you may think of a fake. There a a lot of other differences though that are very easy to spot to the first version of these watches though. First version has 4 black screws holding the dial down in line with the bigger screws holding the case down. Also if you flip of the back you it is totally different and has the "do not unscrew" screw that always tempted me to unscrew. Point is if you see the green loom and it doesn't have the 4 black screws holding the dial down then you know it is a fake. Other thing I noticed on the fake was the spacing of the letters are slightly closer together, it is also a common flaw in fake watches that you can look out for.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I didn’t know about the black screws - that might be more obvious. Overall it’s rather scary how good these fakes are - one of the points I’m making is that without your real one next to the fake, even an experienced owner can’t tell the difference based on character spacing on the dial. A new buyer has zero chance.

[@grav-8544]

@@PerthWAtch and you are defiantly making that point with this fake. I might be able to pick it as a fake but I doubt it based on what I could see from the video.

[@PerthWAtch]

Indeed. Defiance - yeah baby, fight the power! ;)

[@antonylebeau6730]

I'm sorry but it seems that the distance between the "6" and the "BR O3-92" isn't the same (it is much closer on the original one). Can you confirm this point please ?

[@PerthWAtch]

You might be right - but the main point remains: no one can tell this apart without this comparison which I’ve done.

[@antonylebeau6730]

@@PerthWAtch Absolutely 😉 It was just about a point I noticed on the video that I just wanted to be sure 🙂 Thx for your answer👍

[@PerthWAtch]

Most welcome 😉

[@wittech6116]

The knurling on the crown is the biggest giveaway right off the bat.

[@PerthWAtch]

Sure but can you tell the difference without the real one next to it?

[@pdmotors5027]

Wow, at first glance, I thought the real one was on the right.....phew.

[@PerthWAtch]

At a glance I would say impossible to tell!

[@Pew7070]

Also the color tone of the dial is different. The real one looks a bit muted on camera while the knockoff looks brighter.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that, you're right.

[@viranjith]

Thank you! I'm about to buy a used one and this was super handy!

[@PerthWAtch]

That's awesome man... did you spot a fake out there?

[@laflame6957]

It's not always on the outlook. Internals and the mechanisms will show which will stand the test of time

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes!

[@BryanPike]

Thanks for a very detailed comparison!

[@PerthWAtch]

Most welcome!

[@samuellp1146]

You pretty much seem to cover it all, I noticed the watches winding knobs are different one is flat and the original is not flat but I am sure the knock off can fix that. Great Video!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks - yeah a few others pointed other little differences also

[@sideout1999]

The anti reflective coating on the fake one is amazing. No glare at all.😅. Will need 😎 to wear the real one.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah real one definitely worth it coz it gives more glare :)

[@Flandernify]

You hear the ticking more on the legit one but not on the fake? I always took noise as a mark of lower quality...

[@PerthWAtch]

Not necessarily true

[@EverydayWatchGuy]

Another thing that might be a tell is the date change-over (from midnight). The ETA movement should have the date flip over right at mid-night, whereas some Miyota's take a bit longer to change over the date. Cheers.

[@PerthWAtch]

Fair point - I didn't check that... although if you knew the movement the rotor spin should give it away already

[@kpz1234]

The model print on the left one made me guess that right before you said it was the real one. A little higher up, a little clearer.

[@PerthWAtch]

Interesting!

[@markusyeetus]

Did it just seem like it or is the date wheel deeper within the dial of the fake?

[@PerthWAtch]

Can’t day it’s something noticeable...

[@donaldkey9074]

It’s interesting that so many people assume that the only reason someone would buy a fake watch is because they can’t afford the real one. I’d like to share my opinion in the hope of helping some to understand why some of us would go down the path of purchasing a fake watch I have 3 items I like to collect, they are sneakers, perfumes and watches. I only buy original sneakers because 1. The difference in quality is very obvious 2. Majority of sneakers I want are only $300 to $1,000 a pair 3. I’m not going to risk injuring my feet with a fake sneaker that hasn’t passed certain requirements I only buy original perfumes because 1. You have no idea what they’re putting in the fakes 2. The fakes often don’t last as long or smell as good 3. The majority of bottles I want only cost from $100 to $1,000 So now we come to watches and my position is quite different. For me I honestly don’t care about the history of watches, the movement or anything other than the way they look. I’m not showing my collection on social media, I don’t try to sell them or convince anyone they’re real if they’re not. I simply view them as an accessory to the overall outfit So, I have 35 watches and 25 are originals, none cost me more than $1,000 each, they are mainly brands like G-Shock, Citizen & Bulova. I have 10 watches that are replica, they are mostly AP & Rolex. Why did I buy replicas if I can afford the real thing? Well it just doesn’t make sense to me to spend $30k to $100k if I’m not that passionate about watches and in all honesty the replica I purchased which cost on average around $250, looks identical and have lasted at least 2 years If I was going to spend $30k+ I can think of countless other things I’d rather spend it on, so for some of us it’s not about being able to afford it or not, it’s about how much value you place on the item. I can understand the argument about the ethical issues of replicating brands and if it were my design I’d be upset. I have had people copy my work in business so I genuinely understand how frustrating that could be. However, if I buy a couple of replicas a year when I’m on holiday I don’t feel too guilty about it *shrugs*

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to share those detailed thoughts - it is much appreciated! I agree about the error of those assumptions - like in most other circumstances, some (or many) assumptions turn out to be incorrect. Another scenario would be a person who has the real thing, but would rather use a replica if there is higher risk of damage or loss.

[@andresurena_]

Amazing to read a candid thought like this. Let me add that *regardless* if you can afford it or not, it’s very true someone might just love the design and equally appreciates a good machinery but without the brand overhead -which is kinda of the chicken and the egg thing, but anyhow. That is somewhat the case for myself, I try very deliberately to understand what do I want and, regardless of the price, seek to own it. Which has led me to another question “why do I want it?” (underlies “what do I appreciate?” and “is it really just for me?”). I think a great example are Seiko’s! Beautiful watches, excellent machinery’s but not that much overhead “the Rolex from Japan”. Anyway, this are my two bits. Would purchase an original BR anytime. Cheers mate!

[@LG-kl3co]

So you are happy to support the theft of a companies design and research and development...shame on you !

[@jeb-zf4un]

Is the end of the seconds pinion black (capped) on the real one and plain steel on the fake? Looks like it on your vid.

[@jeb-zf4un]

I loved spot the difference puzzles as a kid. I guess I still do.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes you’re right about that - very sharp eyed of you!

[@KarlandKristy]

I actually have a fake one and I love it. It does what its supposed to do. And everybody just loves to comment on it. It’s an incredible watch. And I have watches that are worth tremendous amounts more than that. But I love it

[@PerthWAtch]

What is the fake one supposed to do? Yes it is a good design, which has been totally knocked off. You have watches that are worth tremendous amounts more than the fake? That’s not saying much…

[@fattmatt200]

If they made it as a homage watch with out a brand name I would think it could sell well

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah it probably would!

[@michaelhorn8962]

If Parnis offered an homage of this one for $60, I'd buy it. Well, I would at least consider it.

[@reezevlog]

my cousin bought a knock off BR 5 years ago n it’s still running well.....perhaps he got the top grade ones with good movement in it...😂🙋🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@PerthWAtch]

Haha nice one - this one has a Miyota 9000 series in it so should keep running many years too!

[@jacobshalgian6267]

does the knockoff one lume in the dark? thanks,

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes

[@dparis2172]

Hard for Perth Watch to keep track of which is which. You switched the two watches at 5:32. 🤣

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes he did! 🤣🤣

[@HVG67]

Cool comparison. Without knowing which one was which I did also spot the difference in placement of the reference numbers, with one closer to the date. Also it might have been my imagination, but the crown looked different..

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah you're right, the reference position is indeed different!

[@berniecostello5898]

Who was the replica purchased from?

[@PerthWAtch]

Checkout the video for the answer to this and many more questions ;)

[@todoesarq]

Does the fake have a logo on the winder ?

[@PerthWAtch]

Dunno

[@todoesarq]

@@PerthWAtch Because that is a good giveaway... Is there a way to get more photos so that you could confirm for us? Im looking into a Phantom are there this level of quality knock offs also out there for the Phantom?

[@PerthWAtch]

I did not open these watches (definitely would not open the genuine one I borrowed!)… but if I did I would just look at the movement.

[@todoesarq]

@@PerthWAtch Sorry I think I wasn´t clear. I meant the winder outside of the watch. Where you adjust time. Most fakes do not have the Logo embossed on the side profile. In your video you showed the side profile on the other side which doesn´t have the wheel...

[@PerthWAtch]

That’s called the “crown”. Yes this one has a logo.

[@peterhughes6987]

I noticed the watch number by 6 oclock on fake is close to the 6 while the original is going up more towards the 12 o'clock

[@PerthWAtch]

Yea it is!

[@briancolyer8483]

Interesting comparison brother, it's amazing how these copies are coming on, if you weren't a watch enthusiast you could be easily taken in....⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah man... one day I fear even enthusiasts could be fooled, it’s happened!

[@briancolyer8483]

@@PerthWAtch I agree, truth be told those few differences could be rectified with little extra cost on there part....crazy....⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@IBoughtAWatch]

@@briancolyer8483 it really is crazy to see how far fakes have come in just a few years!

[@kyle_vr]

Genuine question: why do many people not like/dismiss B & R watches? 🤔

[@PerthWAtch]

For standard ETA movements many consider them overpriced. Others don't like their designs.

[@PerthWAtch]

If you say so…

[@PerthWAtch]

Do they? I hear more “meh” responses…

[@dansikora4743]

So 135 grams for one and 141 grams which is fake and is that including the band or do you take the bands off and weight them.

[@PerthWAtch]

Including band.

[@shaunharn1998]

Where did u get the fake from?

[@PerthWAtch]

Did you watch the video?

[@DannyPops]

The fake just looks like it's been worn a little more with the tool marks. I have a gen with a rep on the way, curious to see how it will hold up - but i don't expect much of a difference.

[@PerthWAtch]

Nah it’s more than “just” that.

[@Lofty-tv]

Where this fake came from ? Dh gate ? Aliexpress ?

[@PerthWAtch]

Watch the video for the answer to this and many more questions :)

[@praveenprak777]

Can I get link to purchase fake watch bell & rose

[@PerthWAtch]

What did I say in video?

[@lotsatrains]

Very interesting comparison, the other thing I seem to notice is the distance of the model number printed on the dials in relation to the number 6, one is pretty close to it and the other is a few millimeters higher on the dial, but I cant say as what one is correct because they are so close otherwise it blows my mind please tell me if the real one is closer or farther away. Cheers, Ken

[@lotsatrains]

Also forgot to mention that it would be really neat to see a pressure test to verify if there really is any water resistance on the fake watch and if there is I really would consider it a great watch for the price.

[@PerthWAtch]

For info on which is the real and which is the fake one, please watch the video. Pressure test would be AWESOME if: 1. I have a pressure testing machine 2. I don't mind getting water into the watch when it fails Neither of these criteria applies here ;)

[@kleanovodust-bin69]

The fake one tbh is a great watch tbh, IF it's an homage watch and not a fake one. Miyota 9000 series, 28800 vph, $300.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah I get what you mean!

[@TommiAtah]

The model number on the back plate of the fake is incorrect?

[@PerthWAtch]

The model is BR03-92-S, which is correct. The rest is the serial.

[@johnpowell4415]

The silver centre dot pinning the hands is definitely more pronounced on the fake

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes it is, but you still wouldn’t know which was fake if I didn’t tell you :)

[@nhaboush]

I have a real BR03-92, the blackout version with black numerals and face, and it has a green lume. So some historical models of this watch do have green lumes.

[@PerthWAtch]

And?

[@nhaboush]

@@PerthWAtch and therefore, green lume doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fake.

[@PerthWAtch]

For this model in steel and this colour layout, looks like green lume still means it’s fake.

[@JerryDoe]

I'm into replica watches for a year now, have purchased quite a lot now, one of the reasons why i did it was not just the pricetag but the waiting lists and authorised dealers... For 3 years i wanted to buy a Rolex Submariner and a Breitling Avenger GMT, either the dealer had the model but was reserved for clients who also want to buy his other crap or either i was put on a list for 2-3 years with no guarantee ...

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah I can understand your pain. Didn’t realise you had to wait for a Breitling... I thought they can just order whatever model you wish to get.

[@JerryDoe]

@@PerthWAtch they probably create an artificial shortage for their popular models.

[@hassanibrahim8547]

Where could i buy them

[@andresurena_]

Very good point on the waiting lines! Do you have a safe market for replicas? Rather than just looking mindlessly on Ali?

[@darmelli954]

I Have one of the heritage 42mm black coated orange dial bell and ross watches. but I've nicked it once chipping off some of the coating and get worried when i do more outdoor activities. whats the website you got the replica from? Id really like to get a duplicate that i can just care a little less about (without haing to fork out another 6K to get the updated version of mine in ceramic)

[@PerthWAtch]

Ouch… I feel for you man! I didn’t buy this…. I thought I said I wasn’t gonna promote sales of replicas?

[@darmelli954]

Apologies, wrote the msg half way through the vid, all good

[@MRREE-zw6xc]

In the beginning I was thinking the left is real before you said it. Because the strap is forming to the wrist and the other strap is super straight ! But yeah crazy how close it it! I wouldn't be able to tell

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah man, this scared the crap outta me!

[@MRREE-zw6xc]

@@PerthWAtch yeah definitely!! Imagine paying full price and not noing its all a sham. That would send me to the moon!!!

[@gregpapastylianou]

I want to make my own (mod) watch bur i cant find a b&r shape case anywhere online. Where can i find this fake?

[@PerthWAtch]

I thought I said I wasn’t going to publicise the source of the fake?

[@gregpapastylianou]

@@PerthWAtch Sorry mate , i didnt actually catch that

[@JasonNW6868]

This is my dream watch. I was horrified watching this video. Great job! Hopefully the lume rule holds true. I'd hate to shell out $2400 usd for a fake. Thanks!🙂👍

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks man - hope this was helpful!

[@SidelongSuggestive]

Also noticed the padding between "BR-03 92" and the "6" on the face is a different height.

[@PerthWAtch]

The spacing is different, yes

[@robertobautista560]

Where can I get the fake?

[@PerthWAtch]

Dunno man - didn’t I say I wasn’t going to advertise that?

[@stusims6567]

Very interesting video! Fakes are the Bain of the industry, and any education as to how the differences can be recognized, is a bonus to those of us who don’t know these things. Thank you very much for an educational review!!!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for that Stu, I do hope that this proves to be useful!

[@Bob.martens]

I own a fake BR03 and love it. First thing I tell anyone interested is that it's an knockoff. They still like it after that. i own several +2000$ watches, but Bell&Ross are particularly bad value nowadays. Same goes for my Heimdallr Willard: with a few mods totaling less than 250$ it's far better looking than the Prospex 'reimagining' by Seiko themselves. I know what it is, and the design's heritage, but Chinese is the new value. Their movements will become competitive or even superior as well in a few years.

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks for sharing the thoughts - my mate James who owns this watch feels much the same way!

[@johnnyslunch182]

Hey can I ask where you got the fake from?

[@jamienance8821]

It’s important to know the real thing before you ever consider buying one that is from somewhere other than an AD. But just my observations: the brushing on the back is wrong, if you look at the hands in the center the pin in light colored real one is a very dark bronze, the spacing of the date from the dial has more gap on the fake, and the biggest tell of all is the beat rate an eta 2892 or sellita sw300 has a beat rate of 28800bph where the miyota in the fake is 21600bph. The real one ticks 8 times per second the fake ticks 6 times per second. Always look up the specs for beat rate for the real watch, if it’s 28800 or higher rarely does a fake get this correct unless it is a super high end fake. With that being said from a quick glance it is scary this one is relatively close.

[@PerthWAtch]

It is scary how good this fake is - without having the real one beside it most owners will not be able to tell the difference. Our minds simply don’t register all these details. You are wrong about the beat rate - you can get watches under $100 with 28800bph movements. Most common cheaper movement is the Miyota 9015.

[@AudioFlat]

How do you manage to miss the crowns which are obviously different!

[@PerthWAtch]

Amazing

[@chunhoechow7723]

Hi All - Does anyone know where to get the BR clone watch? Similar finish with the above video?

[@PerthWAtch]

I won’t promote the fake, but check out the comments for what people think.

[@IBoughtAWatch]

Great video and really interesting and important subject matter! Keep up the good work!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you very much!

[@IBoughtAWatch]

@@PerthWAtch By the way I've just launched a watch channel would really appreciate your thoughts if you had the time!

[@PerthWAtch]

All the best!

[@adibbins]

Look at the face word "SWISS MADE" and the spacing around the 6 mark, looks like a difference to me?

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes it does

[@j.harbottle8928]

Thumbs up to this vid, excellent work :)

[@PerthWAtch]

Thank you :)

[@archiepops]

I spotted the fake right away at the start of the video! You can see the number 12 on the fake is just off centre of the watch....a pure giveaway!

[@PerthWAtch]

That’s amazing.

[@shandeanful]

I’d rather know how much did the fake costs and which movement uses..

[@PerthWAtch]

This fake was about $300 and uses a Miyota 9015.

[@shandeanful]

@@PerthWAtch thank you very much

[@MrJmawiseman]

Good review. If I had held them, I would have thought the fake was real as it's heavier. Heavy equals quality sometimes.

[@PerthWAtch]

If you held them you may not be able to perceive that difference

[@paulfairclough1521]

Check out the number 6 , the writing each side of the 6 is close together on the real one.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah that’s right - well spotted

[@chunhoechow7723]

Where to purchase?

[@PerthWAtch]

See my links

[@mmtbmts4100]

Are there any link to see homage ?

[@PerthWAtch]

Not homage, knock-off. So no.

[@mmtbmts4100]

@@PerthWAtch buy a knock-off, present a knock-off but dont share link because of knock-off :D

[@scottloudon14]

In the past I've purchased a couple "homage" watches to determine if the real item. Those more unique shapes and sizes, to determine if it was something I could live with. Not sure I understand a full one to one copy, different mind set I guess.

[@EliteSim]

There's a big difference between a fake and homage. A fake is supposed to be a 1 to 1 copy right down to the branding. A homage borrows the design and details but the big difference is they usually use their own unique branding. Imo there are good homages that respectfully pay homage and then those that just copy everything. Take Steinhart, they aren't direct copies but have clearly had influence then take Parnis and look at their watches.

[@PerthWAtch]

Lots of these around!

[@scottloudon14]

@@EliteSim Yes there is, the 1 to 1 's feel wrong to me. With a single exception I've only kept a single "homage" watch. I purchased it to wear while I had a Rolex sub repaired, an affordable Sandoz ETA 2824 "swiss" made really Swiss assembled. Anyway I've always kept it as a back up and beater although I rarely wear either now. They others either turned into the real thing or went away. But just can't do fake 1 to 1's as a personal choice.

[@scottloudon14]

@@PerthWAtch Almost to many all in all

[@VinceRegan]

I feel like homages are fine, but downright deep fakes like this are horrible morally. For the creator and the complicit buyer.

[@PerthWAtch]

And perhaps worse of all for the unsuspecting buyer??

[@ALim-zx5oy]

Tbh nowadays when I am thinking of an expensive watch ....I always google to see if you can buy fakes...which then disappoints me. I wonder - do these fakes come with box and papers which look original? Now that....would be really scary

[@ALim-zx5oy]

Okay this is what I got from a simple google search ...not happy ...sighh " Has A Good Assortment 0f Copy Tudor Products To Choose From,With Prompt Delivery And Favorable Price. You can upgrade to Swiss ETA Movement or buy a original box,if you need "

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah this specific one, my mate informs me that they do have the option to get an imitation box & papers (he didn't, and I wouldn't either).

[@lgandiao]

On the official web site, the models showed for sale are like the "fake one" in some pics, like yours in another pics... I am talking about the "Swiss Made" position. Also the LumiNova's color in others KZbinr's reviews (some of them dealers of B&R) are greens as the fake one. This is absolutely confused. I am not sure about this VS.

[@PerthWAtch]

What is VS? You should check and make sure you have the right model on the real site - not all B&R have to have blue lume

[@lgandiao]

@@PerthWAtch VS, in reference to your "versus". Of course I should. After watch this every fake could be real, as we can appreciated on B&R web site.

[@PerthWAtch]

Err no… no “fake” will ever be “real” 😂

[@4Memf2dafizzo]

It's clearly obvious that the printing above the 6 is higher on the real one compared to how low it is on the fake. That was the first thing that I noticed.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yes yes very good… would you know it without the real one next to it?

[@picassoboy52]

I have this same knockoff model in all black case. It's automatic. Had for years. I wear it occasionally, it's attractive. Seems of good quality. Close enough.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah not sure if there is such a thing as a sincere quartz knock off of this. Attractive yes, thanks to B&R design ;)

[@johnnyslunch182]

Hey can I ask where you got it? I’ve been looking for one

[@andresurena_]

Could I ask (too) where do you got it? It’s very hard to keep searching for in Ali :(

[@lawrencenalitt3869]

Where can this be bought? Reliable website!

[@PerthWAtch]

Did you try bellross.com?

[@rudolphbeasley5652]

When i see these I think... is the real one actually worth as much as they are selling it for then?

[@PerthWAtch]

Some think it’s not

[@sidharthpnair9625]

So which is the best place to buy fake watches?(seriously)

[@PerthWAtch]

Google it (seriously)

[@sidharthpnair9625]

@@PerthWAtch don't you think that I would've done it already. Anyway thank you for the response(seriously).

[@PerthWAtch]

Doesn’t look like you did. You can do better. Seriously!

[@sidharthpnair9625]

@@PerthWAtch cool down bro. You don't have to be this serious😂

[@PerthWAtch]

Chill out dude, can’t you tell I’m piss-farting around? Why so serious? 😂😂🤣🤣

[@markdrum2392]

I just saw one of these direct knock-offs on Ali Express caveat emptor!

[@PerthWAtch]

Amazing!

[@tivikemajom]

so where can I buy the fake one? I don't need the original but I like design.

[@alexsdg3441]

look around in Aliexpress.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah as mentioned, I elect not to provide links to KO products...

[@NikiNeato]

Where did you purchase the replica?

[@PerthWAtch]

As mentioned clearly in the video, this was borrowed

[@dj_ath]

Where can I find a fake one like that?

[@PerthWAtch]

Try google?

[@Voxguitarsrock]

Why why why would anyone knowingly buy a fake? Good video as usual, thank you!

[@PerthWAtch]

Thanks - I think the answer is covered by some other commentators here

[@Martin-se3ij]

As a designer I like to wear a nice designed watch. I don't want to pay $3,000 for one to wear gardening or doing construction so I wear the PaKin version of this watch. It cost me $11 and keeps perfect time. For what you'd pay for a new battery in your B&R I buy a new watch. If I had the money and no inclination to do anything good for society with it I'd buy the real thing.

[@PerthWAtch]

Don’t be silly, B&R don’t use batteries! ;)

[@Martin-se3ij]

@@PerthWAtch What? $3000 and you have to wind the thing up!!? Or for that price do they send a man around every morning to wind it for you?

[@PerthWAtch]

Nope it’s automatic ;)

[@petemorbius3936]

what about the box? what about 01-92?

[@PerthWAtch]

No box for the fake one... if you wanna see the box for the real one, check out my full review. If you want lend me your 01-92 I would be happy to review it ;)

[@petemorbius3936]

@@PerthWAtch i would love to but im far away from Perth

[@PerthWAtch]

Aw shucks...

[@sebastiannowakowski5084]

Is it me or is the 9 and 2 slightly different angle?

[@PerthWAtch]

Maybe, but not very obvious I think

[@jeloufsamir]

Can you give me the watch link (replica)

[@PerthWAtch]

Sorry mate, I wouldn’t even if I knew it - that’d be promoting fakes.

[@chunhoechow7723]

Where to get the replica?

[@PerthWAtch]

Sorry I don’t promote replicas... search the comments and see if someone else knows, otherwise you’re on your own.

[@drlivert]

Yeah BR 03-92 print is equidistant to middle of watch and the number "6". Should also be significantly higher than the date window.

[@PerthWAtch]

Yeah you're right, that is another point of difference.