Infantry Fighting Vehicles in Ukraine - losses, lessons & will Western IFVs matter?

[@PerunAU]

Try Ground News today and get 15% by visiting ground.news/perun. Offer is only valid through the link! Many thanks again to those who contributed to the preparation of this video. Just to repeat a point in the corrections and caveats section before I'm blacklisted from a country, I wanted to note that while I call the Stryker an American vehicle (in American service) - I acknowledge its Canadian DNA and manufacture. Also from the caveats that's worth putting here - while the BMP-1 had a major impact on the development of AFVs everywhere, I do want to call out the West German HS 30 for beating it into service with a similar concept. Another editing flub was calling RUSI the "uniform" services rather than "united" services institute for lord know what reason and then missing it in editing. There would be more caveats and notes (such as noting Czech production of the BMP in addition to USSR figures) but I ran out of text allowance. The biggest caveat is to note, as always, that loss data from an ongoing war is subject to a significant degree of uncertainty. And apologies to the Germans in the audience - Early in the video I say SdKfz 241, instead of the correct 251. Missed that in editing. As always, thank you all for your engagement and support!

[@nastygollum]

You're the best, mate. Your clear, concise and straight to the point way of presenting really captures me. Thanks again.

[@lilkobabunga]

You ever thought doing a roundtable discussion livestream with the Chieftain and LazerPig? If not please do.

[@knpark2025]

As an average video game player, I will say tech advantage and mass advantage are nothing against 12 hoverbikes or 11 winged monsters that can fling lethal projectiles and turn with infinite G-force.

[@VES.]

forget what the joke was exactly but there it is. Bulgarian General asks Russian General why their vehicles are so horrendous in side. The Russian replys : - we wont our soldiers to be afraid from the vehicles, not the enemy. When the doors open they will gladly attack becouse they ware already in hell. if you go to war however you will prefer russian equipment since if it breaks you can fix it with a hamer, wire and blow torch. Nato's equipment cant be easyly fixed and is more succeptable to problems. Just found aout how unreliable is the Bradly and was shocked. I tought they fixed it already. after all it is 80's tech ...

[@glenndean6]

I'd go one further on Stryker in that it's really a Swiss design (MOWAG Piranha) laundered through Canada by way of a US prime (GM, later GDLS-C via LAV) and eventually turned into a US sourced solution (Canada no longer manufacturing Strykers, though some parts are still sourced there).

[@francois487]

Who remembers the early days when Perun was like "I can't believe people want to watch hour-long slideshows on KZbin, but here we are..."?

[@PerunAU]

@@guyk2260 I still do it - sleep and spare time have not been a feature of 2022 and early 2023 for me.

[@ASNS117Zero]

@@PerunAU Don't burn yourself out my guy. Lack of sleep isn't healthy. xD

[@Vyrlokar]

I have been religiously (and I'm an atheist) taking my weekly Perun from almost the start (started when he had like 3 videos on this conflict) and I can't think of a best way to spend an hour than to watch his content

[@bandenere7774]

@@PerunAU "dance for us little piggy" Ops, wrong channel😬

[@combatwombat2134]

@@PerunAU please set up a patron for yourself, buddy. Hard work and good work should be rewarded. I know you send money on and that's an incredible thing to do but please allow us to pay for the work you do.

[@aenorist2431]

"Exploded vehicles are no longer very useful and should be replaced by unexploded ones." Pearls of wisdom like these are what we are really here for :D

[@dennisyoung4631]

You *might* pull some bits off of them.

[@TB-zf7we]

Absolutely wise & HILARIOUSE. 😁

[@shaider1982]

The bit about the items named M1 by the US Army is also funny. Good thing only the tanks is M1 these days.

[@massgunner4152]

How someone can be this serious while saying such cheeky lines?

[@TheRezro]

@@shaider1982 BTW it technically did have sense. US mark every equipment as type: like Heavy Tank, military so M and number in line. So because lot of stuff were only reintroduced during WW2, they all get M1 what lead to hilarious situation that US have almost everything called M1. Abrams is somewhat exception as US reset counter on armed vehicles in the 80's.

[@charliehansen6584]

Your orange and black powerpoints are always of the highest quality. I look forward to your videos every week. I was a petroleum supply guy in the US Army and logistics is my bread and butter and that is one of the biggest reasons I enjoy the effort you put into these. Battles are won by tactics and bravery, wars are won by logistics and economics.

[@Gwjeeper]

I remember reading somewhere that 'amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics'

[@pattersonlee062]

Extremely impressive to the gullible.

[@RussellNelson]

"and economics". Yup. Hitler thought that he didn't need remote resources like rubber, because his scientists could synthesize these things. Trouble is that synthesis isn't cheap, and rubber comes (came) from trees because the trees were really cheap.

[@h8GW]

@Patterson Lee Says the side who continuously and repetitively hoovers up the reporting demonstrated to be the least reliable. Like legit I think most of your side's _arguments_ are stolen without even analyzing them.

[@pattersonlee062]

@@h8GW more realistic than your imaginary view...

[@honestlyreed1612]

"You cannot pay your teachers in armored personnel carriers, and even if you could, I'd recommend against it unless you want the next teacher's strike to be that much more interesting."

[@suntiger745]

Gems like that combined with the background debrief and careful analysis is why I consider Perun one of the best lecturers I've ever come across. :)

[@Slapdab]

I lost it with that line.

[@mickdevries4237]

Tell me you've never been to Texas without telling me you've never been to Texas. :)

[@keemanaan1734]

Some teachers may be thinking "yes please" 🙂

[@1224chrisng]

oh, it'll be a teacher's Strike alright

[@propagandalf577]

As a German I'm simply amazed that youmanaged to pronounce "Sonderkraftfahrzeug" almost correctly.

[@bryce4724]

I'm struggling just to say that in my head 🤣

[@sixstringedthing]

Is "almost correctly" good enough to stop people getting killed though? 😆

[@brinjoness3386]

I bought an "einzelkockenplatten" once. Apologies for the spelling but I think I could pronounce it fairly well. I still own that single cooking plate. Zoup is gutten on it I was impressed with his pronunciation too.

[@NN-eh1fq]

Bruh, i’m ethnically German and I feel like I need a few shots at that before I do it correctly 😂

[@gravitydefeater]

Was "yellow from an egg"?

[@ghoffmann821]

"You cannot pay your teachers with armored personnel carriers." That, sir, sounds like a challenge.

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

If someone is willing to accept me as their teacher, I would be more than willing to accept APC'S as payment ...

[@psilobom]

I knew teachers who drove Ferraris, I'd be the teacher that rolls up in a bullet proof beast

[@suntiger745]

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 How do you pay for the fuel on a teacher's salary though? Especially if you get the M-113 instead of money. XD

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

@@suntiger745 I just park on my favorite spot and put my sleeping bag on the floor, save on rent, spend that on fuel instead. Maybe trade three or four for an Abrams, or maybe even a Panther for nostalgia's sake

[@hungrymusicwolf]

​@@psilobom Screw Ferarris, armoured vehicles is where the real street cred is.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

“Practice has a way of beating up theory and taking its lunch money.” Perun makes some of the best quotes

[@goaway7346]

"In theory, that should have worked in practice. But in practice, it didn't." Applies to ever endeavour where humans are involved.

[@Flippyrock2011]

He is definitely up there with The Chieftain and Drackninifel

[@Rob_F8F]

I love the Perun focuses on data analysis. This type of Ukraine coverage does not exist elsewhere on KZbin or mass general media.

[@j.r.7339]

Covert Cabal?

[@Rob_F8F]

@@j.r.7339 Another great channel!

[@kzsposeidon3121]

Colonel Reissner from the Austrian army is quite good as well

[@skywillfindyou]

Data form this is very corrupt and reliable.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

This is why the internet rules. You can have actual specialists talk about things rather than everything having everything need to go trough the small minds of journalists.

[@Bork_In_Volcanic]

M1 story was freaking gold! Such humour is the reason why I am subscribed to Perun since long time!

[@chrishooge3442]

The Bradley compliments tanks when used in combined formations. During Desert Storm the optics on the Bradley were better and conducive to identifying targets for the Abrams in a open desert environment. They play a tank destroyer role with their ATGMs at ranges in excess of an MBT's main gun. The mounted infantry can be deployed to provide security or screen terrain while the Brads and Abrams provide overwatch. Bradleys can also be loaded up with supplies to sustain the infantry in the fight. Think ammo, water, rations, and Javelins. IFVs aren't tanks but they allow the infantry to keep up with the tanks and if a BMP or T-72 pops up they have the means to deal with the threat.

[@D64nz]

Well this comment certainly aged like milk.

[@Bigman-fh1fz]

@@D64nzhe didn’t say that Bradley’s are indestructible tho

[@spikeypineapple552]

What do I love about these videos? Absolutely everything. I've never heard such details and well spoken analysis in between gold lines such as 'you can't pay your teachers in M113s'. Thankyou for keeping us all entertained and informed.

[@mrsock3380]

You might be able to pay them with a M1 of some sort.

[@archimedes5635]

@@mrsock3380 garands BARs Thompsons

[@benjohnson1670]

I could be persuaded...

[@rossmurray6849]

Perhaps British nurses and ambulance crews would be interested.

[@asaunders1406]

You are a gullible fool!

[@SideKickStudios]

So in a nutshell, IFVs and APCs are basically like a seatbelt in a car - in the event of a crash, it's not a guarantee that you will walk away but it'll significantly improve your chances of survival.

[@evulclown]

An angry seatbelt with an autocannon.

[@cooldudecs]

And 6 boys in the back with big guns. Also a nice tank killer

[@jimwu4579]

1:03:43 "...American equipment is endowed with the magical ability to reconstitute itself after destruction and carry on the fight with a zombie crew." What a time to be alive.

[@jerkchicken_expertlyseasoned]

It's all fun and games until the US military starts awarding contracts to the Necrons.

[@apersonlikeanyother6895]

Next years 2 minute papers

[@jfarrar19]

I mean the US DoD is looking into other science fiction looking shit for the military. At this point we can just accept it.

[@tgapmax4051]

Ukraine will win because Dr. Who is on their side.

[@999Phiro]

I mean look it's just like CoD man. You press F to respawn if you're in an American vehicle and suddenly you're at full ammo and health. All that DARPA funding paid off.

[@ED-es2qv]

I was an airborne Ranger, which is very light infantry. I can assure you there are times I want armor to do a job, even though personally I was always most comfortable in my element (quietly in the woods, preferably dark). I noticed each MOS is most comfortable doing what they’re trained to do.

[@ahennessy7998]

@DiversityIsOurStrength interestingly enough, about 30% of Afghanistan was forested in 2000

[@ahennessy7998]

@DiversityIsOurStrength ok, good for you.

[@goatmealcookies7421]

Thank you for your service!

[@markmitchell457]

@DiversityIsOurStrength you should see photos of Afghanistan in the 60s. It was a fairly nice place. It's a tribal sh1t hole now.

[@isaiahsmith6016]

What was it like being a Ranger?

[@TheVillageIdiotUk]

A masterpiece. You keep hitting the ball out of the park and into solar orbit. I honestly don’t know how you can cover so much ground each week and produce consistently brilliant content, but I’m glad you do and I’m a very impressed Patreon. My only concern is that you may burn yourself out at this pace. Take care, fella.

[@olic7266]

burning out is for p*****s

[@ontheruntonowhere]

@diversityisourstrength4223 Says the internet guy who needs to chime in on every thread with unfunny, mean-spirited, obvious cries for attention. It's classy to say nice things and tell people you appreciate them.

[@jonlee2217]

@DiversityIsOurStrength You sounds jealous, do you need a hug?

[@jonlee2217]

@DiversityIsOurStrength aww, poor little Ivan, everybody hates him, he's going down the garden to eat worms.

[@shaneconnor86]

Yours is one of few truly outstanding channels on the Ukrainian liberation war. You combine scholarly research and objective analysis with clear, well paced delivery, to mention only the wavetops. Many thanks for your contribution to history.

[@rafis117]

"IFVs and APCs are getting destroyed *because* they work" is a would be a daring conclusion if it was backed up by anything less rigorous than a Perun analysis. I continue to appreciate your analyses, this channel has been phenomenally informative and a master class besides.

[@darnit1944]

"The Russian military is large and modern. But the Large part is not modern and the modern part is not large." -Perun 2023

[@Muljinn]

I was about to clear them…

[@mudcrab3420]

M113 is state of the art WW2. The original FMC tech drawings date from 1950. Basically the entire design came from thinking about WW2 and deciding what would make the perfect APC. Fully tracked. Armoured roof. Ramp access so troops don't have to jump over the sides. Lot of my life on this vehicle :)

[@jamielonsdale3018]

The M113 reminds me of a D-Day landing craft, made to go on land, through semi-Rasputitsa conditions, and be fragmentation-proof from all aspects while buttoned up.

[@zerofighter42]

Amazing stuff as usual. Also notable is the fact of 220K views in 9 hours out of 340k subscribers. The fact that 2/3 of your audience is watching these vids the moment they are released is testament to their quality.

[@PaulA-bv1rt]

Zerofighter42..21 hours and over 44,000 more views than subscribers. Amazing figures, shows how good this video is. Perun could become a sought after military lecturer.

[@zakb6]

@@PaulA-bv1rt if I was still in the US Army, I'd be assigning these videos as required viewing for my soldiers, and assigning weekly optional short essays responses (500 words or so, nothing crazy) these videos would be wonderful assets for STT.

[@thalapeng]

For the last three months I am actively planning my Sunday to include one hour of chores, solo walks or solo rides.

[@PaulA-bv1rt]

Zak, very true. The research level is top shelf with the tools at hand. The content is as detailed as could be done by a person with no military inside assistance. Educational for all and would make very good military reading for all countries armed forces .

[@JFred2]

Except in reality, 75% of those views are from people that aren't even subscribed. He's one of the few creators that never asks people to like and subscribe. While annoying, the reason people do that is because it works. Then again I'm also pretty sure Perun doesn't even monetize these videos so the guy clearly isn't motivated by money or overtly trying to grow his audience

[@stpancraschapel2136]

Hi Perun, in answer to your remarks at the end, all your hard work is much appreciated. I’m an ex-journalist and, as I was listening to this show, it occurred to me (several times) not just that there was some extremely well-researched information but, more impressive, the sheer volume of it. I was also as impressed with the data and analysis you rejected, although I would have been interested in hearing some of the theories you refused to go into for want of verification. Thank you very much, I have another podcast to take the dog for a walk with.

[@gregorstamejcic2355]

Hell, Perun, I'm so happy for you. I joined your channel about 2 years ago for Dominions 5 - and now this! Truly, heartfelt grats, you're one of the most nuanced people swimming above the sludge that is internet content.

[@MrKronikDeception]

"Open field storage during the 1990s... that's a high threat environment." But, dang, the tank periscope, BTR night vision system, and the BMP sights are a great addition to your collection

[@irgendwieanders2121]

🤣

[@ptonpc]

I did a quick check on Ebay a few days ago, you can still buy Russian IFV sights on it.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Well Communist doctrine did speak of redistribution of wealth.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

@@Edax_Royeaux Marx was a devil worshiper so that pretty much explains why Communism has the pathetic and violent record it does and will continue to have. Want to know more? Newer book out called Marx and the Devil (close to those words) plus at least one interview on KZbin with the researcher and author.

[@Concord003]

Yes, the 1990s were high threat environment both in Russia and Ukraine. The tank repair factory here in Lviv was guarded so poorly that the neighbourhood boys sneaked into it on a dare on multiple occasions. Worst case they would meet a security guard with a shotgun loaded with salt instead of buckshot.

[@TheLastSterling1304]

Remember when people unironically thought the Bradley as "A troop transport that can't carry troops, a reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance and a quasi-tank that has less armor than a snow-blower, but carries enough ammo to take out half of D.C"

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Remember when people unironically thought the Russian army was a threat?

[@TheRezro]

I mean that quote was a joke. Quite obviously IFV is neither of those. Burton was a idiot who demand tests for something army already know, because he couldn't understand role of new at the time IFV. Movie though place him as protagonist actually place hints pointing that he was wrong. Like when one of soldiers correct him regard procedure. That they test scale of damage with increasingly stronger charges, not if it survive obvious overkill. Or when he test Romanian RPG on doors, one of officers counter it with statement that those were strong doors (what is true. Ammo depo doors are usually heavily armored). Also no. Bradley didn't start as M113, it was always designed as counter to BMP. It is why commanding officer was triggered. Because program in fact did have overruns and they needed push in production something capable to counter it, even if they would correct known flaws later.

[@christiandauz3742]

Allies wished they had Bradleys back in WW2!

[@p_serdiuk]

Lazerpig gang

[@TheLastSterling1304]

@@TheRezrouh yeah that's my point. The problem is the average person watched that movie and didn't realize it was a satirical movie based on an untruthful memoir of Burton. I mean for how long did people think the Belton Cooper's book 'Death Traps' was a accuracy account to the quality of the Sherman Tank.

[@iamwepty8986]

have you ever considered uploading these videos as podcasts on spotify and apple music? I think it would be a really good way to gain more viewership without much more work. i love listening to these when i’m at work or studying and i feel like uploading them on those platforms would be quite handy. fantastic video as always dude keep up the amazing work

[@jdavis.fw303]

Totally agree, I often listen when not able to watch the slides and its still about 85% as informative.

[@dsdy1205]

+1 for the Spotify suggestion, would also allow for hands-free listening which I'd wager is a large proportion of listening given the video length

[@Klowner777]

I second this ! Putting your videos up on apple podcast would be great !

[@PKownzthem]

After having watched these videos every week since the beginning of the conflict I feel like I can judge statements by politicians or „experts“ about it with a confidence I otherwise only have in my own degree, it‘s crazy. The content is highly educational while still being very entertaining somehow, even though it’s just a slideshow I‘m even thinking about if it would make sense to get into the whole thing myself one day (I‘m a trainee lawyer in germany) since it‘s super interesting Thank you so much for your work!

[@LD-Orbs]

"Just a slideshow" that pushes your military IQ up a point every time you watch it. Two points if you starting from a civilian ground zero baseline, like I am. These things are GOLD. Watch them all, watch them multiple times.

[@foxwithaplan858]

I feel the same. Welcome to this beautiful Dunning-Kruger-Valley ;)

[@zeeninetynine]

Indeed, watching all of Perun's videos has been like taking a mini-course :)

[@MrWonszBoa]

get into what yourself? making KZbin videos?

[@PKownzthem]

@@MrWonszBoa defense industry or administration as a career

[@sixstringedthing]

Thanks for sticking to your release schedule like clockwork mate. Highly professional as always. Cheers 👍

[@pieter-bashoogsteen2283]

The video of that medevac in that m113 ambulance in Soledar was absolutely heartstopping. You even saw an artillery shell land just 20-30 metres away from the armored vehicle near the end.

[@earld1403]

In this video, the time mark is @ 48:13 Also the original video is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3SxZWidrc9ja6s

[@pieter-bashoogsteen2283]

@@earld1403 Thanks, I prefer watching it on KZbin, allows me to save it

[@r2020E]

yeah good thing they were in an armored vehicle. They possibly caught shrapnel from that

[@bluemarlin8138]

@@r2020E Most likely they would have had at least a couple of shrapnel injuries. What people don’t seem to get about IFVs is that they’re not there to make soldiers invulnerable. They exist mainly to transport troops at high speed while keeping them safe from small arms fire and shrapnel from artillery (or whatever else) exploding nearby, and some of them can take out enemy positions/vehicles or suppress enemy fire. Sure, they’ll get destroyed sometimes. But you know what else will get destroyed? Soldiers charging at enemy positions under machine gun and artillery fire.

[@Ergzay]

@@earld1403 That's not the original video, just some re-upload with someone's music they put on top. The audio was replaced.

[@danwylie-sears1134]

I think this is my favorite channel at the moment. Military analysis isn't my favorite subject, but having long well-researched videos more than makes up for that.

[@mousseman8239]

36:58 Keep in mind that capturing vehicles could also be in order to procure spare parts to keep other vehicles operational.

[@brianjonker510]

Exactly. It would seem to me a very low percentage of captured tanks and APC would be returned to use by the Ukrainians.

[@V-V1875-h]

@@brianjonker510 depending on the needs, I have heard that the most modern stuff is used until it breaks down and then stripped for parts, if it survives as long

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Yep, but if they’re used for spares, then they shouldn’t be counted as returned to service.

[@wilfdarr]

I wouldn't count on the Russians continued generosity: at some point they have got to figure out that they need to destroy their equipment before they abandon it.

[@OptimusSledge]

@@wilfdarr Good luck convincing conscripts with two weeks training that they need to stop and disable their vehicle before legging it. Hell, good luck getting them to remember what they need to do, let alone to actually do it.

[@idioluh5838]

AFU requests a lot of APC/IFV not so much because they need to recover from losses, but mainly because AFU expanded about 3x times since the start of the war.

[@V-V1875-h]

kinda what he stated, was visible in the generals graphs too. it's a combination of both but mostly the expansion

[@idioluh5838]

@@V-V1875-h yeah, that's true. It's just my awful habit of writing a comment before watching the full video :D .

[@nihluxler1890]

No. Those are to recover from losses. Zaluzhny himself plainly stated in an interview a few weeks ago that to conduct a successful offensive toward Melitopol and eventually cut the land bridge would require of the west to provide AT LEAST 300 additional tanks, 700 IFVs/APCs and 500 artillery pieces (with all the corresponding ammo). If the Ukrainian ground forces really had ballooned to 3x their original size of around 3000 armored vehicles (all categories comprised), they should by far have that capability already. Instead, they are asking for brand new vehicles their crew will never be as potent with, in the current conditions, as the ones they were initially trained on, and will require a complete rebuilding of their logistical infrastructure. Go figure.

[@georgethompson913]

@@nihluxler1890 actually, just because you raised 700 000 soldiers doesn't mean you have the BMP',s to support them. More IFV, 's from afar means more TDF given offensive capabilities.

[@idioluh5838]

@@nihluxler1890 I meant they increased 3x original size in manpower, not hardware. And that's exactly why this hardware is needed, because while you can defend a trench without IFV, it's really hard to start an assault.

[@davetrew367]

With each new week I get more amazed and grateful that someone with such an astounding breadth and depth of insight should even be willing to share it all on KZbin, let alone keep doing it with such brilliant professionalism. Thank you, Perun.

[@samikun9328]

Thank you for providing us with the best most informative videos on the conflict available on KZbin. Your work is much appreciated!

[@asaunders1406]

There is one born every minute. Barnum would have loved you.

[@IamOutOfNames]

@@asaunders1406 You should know...

[@Elkarlo77]

For the M113, there might be a Variant Ukraine might want. The Mortar APC M106. It started with a 107mm and 81mm Mortar variant but was upgraded to a 120mm Variant. It isn't a Battle Taxi anymore but share the same Parts as a M113. so having 2000 M113 and 100 M106 would be a great mobility bonus, even when the M113 is slow. And as a German: We got 350 Marder on the Scrapyard, waiting for scrapping. They need to be refurbished, but they can be putt back into combat condition. But it will take time. That are the Marders when German Politicians say: They come from the Industrie, they are practically already sold off and waiting for their refurbished Shipment to Greece or to be scrapped. This year 100 Marders were be slated to go to Greece.

[@DS.J]

Lithuania supplied 10 self-propelled Tampella 120mm mortars on M113 chassis. There is a video somewhere of one of them being used in the battlefield.

[@matstick199]

My ukranian friend said they wanted m163 VADS to use as IFVs

[@scifidude184]

When the whole "Spare Marders" article came out, people fail to mention a majority of those Marders were scrapped in 2014, it is a miracle Germany even had spare marders to send.

[@Nimmermaer]

@@DS.J As the name Panzermörser suggests, these were originally given to Lithuania by Germany, along with 300 M113s in total. For a token amount, if I remember correctly.

[@miketogwell1000]

Would have thought lots of the m113 variants would be welcome - especially mortar carriers and AAA, but even the basic ones have some use outside cimbat

[@Hamsteak]

I was a RWS gunner in Afghanistan, and I can say that it does feel like a game sometimes in a weird way. So you always had yo remind yourself that this is real life. It's definitely safer than hanging out of the hatch

[@evanfelch7689]

The M-1's part is probably my favorite joke so far. 10/10 rolling with laughter

[@bradenwisely541]

Thanks for all the work you're putting into this! You're coverage of this event is unparalleled! Dont burn yourself out though. Don't let us get in the way of your life!

[@rudolfthecat1176]

Germany actually had an ifv of sorts before the soviets did, it was called "Schützenpanzer lang", but it wasn't very successful due to its very many mechanical issues.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

HS-30 Schützenpanzer Lang, but also Schützenpanzer Kurz (Hotchkiss). Both entered service 2-3 years ahead of the BMP-1

[@termitreter6545]

Was about to write that, Germany had Panzergrenadiers in WW2, and afterwards it wanted to expand on the IFV-concepts.The Lang was a pretty terrible vehicles by most accords due to production and deasign issues, so hardly anyone remembers it, but it was the first^^

[@paullakowski2509]

@@termitreter6545 i thought reliability was due construction being SWISS/BRITISH industry??

[@MrFusselig]

Even the development of the Marder started before the BMP-1 and there were prototypes before the Soviets even thought about the BMP. The BMP was an answer to the HS-30.

[@GameLeaderR]

The M1 skit (13:20) was hilarious lol. Thanks for such a interesting and informative video.

[@christianstough6337]

Former mech infantry soldier here. The job of the mech infantry is not primarily to keep up; that is secondary, their main job is to keep infantry off of the tanks.They are a stiff arm that keeps dangerous elements at range so the tanks can knock them out. Infantry can be absolutely deadly to armor via both anti tank weapons and using a radio to call in artillery or air. When a tank gets to a position that does not have a clear view and therefor no idea of what is up ahead, the mech infantry can clear that area which will allow the armor to push on. Battlefields are not flat; they rise and fall. Mech infantry can clear those rises where the other side of that rise is unknown. When armor has to take a stationary position , which they often have to do, the mech infantry are able to keep infantry away from them.

[@richardthomas598]

I've never heard an Aussie wrap his mouth around German so well 👍

[@badluck5647]

There has to be a better way to phrase this!

[@MrStringybark]

My younger sister did German up until 3rd Year but the only people that could understand her "German" were the other Australian students who learnt German with her.

[@MotionMcAnixx]

My sister and her boyfriend Gunther would say otherwise...

[@richardthomas598]

@@badluck5647 I didn't write "a German." 😅

[@badluck5647]

@@richardthomas598 When I first read this, I thought you were a Russian troll referring to....something else.

[@davidtr90]

Thank you for an, as always, great video. Putting out videos of this quality in a frequency that high is just amazing. I would like to add just one small thing: Technically the german HS 30, armed with a 20mm autocannon in a rotating turret, which started development around 1955, was the first IFW. It was without doubt a terrible vehicle, which got replaced by the Spz Marder about ten years after introduction but it has all the key characteristics of an IFW.

[@PerunAU]

Yep - I regret not mentioning the poor thing which is why I gave it a callout in the pinned comment. Cheers for the kind words.

[@davidtr90]

@@PerunAU i`m sorry, did not see it. As always reading helps.

[@ericdano]

Private Conscriptovich is one of the luckiest guys. He's everywhere, and hasn't been injured or killed yet.

[@sachinaraszkiewicz785]

That's only because Perun has yet to make a video on MedEvac and field medical procedures!

[@jozefkozon4520]

@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 that was METAL.

[@Itslvle]

I have no idea how you manage to have a normal worklife and still produce stuff like this so frequently. It is very much appreciated.

[@thomasdowning6768]

Wow, another superlative production! Sadly, it suffers from the same problem as all the preceding - it is too damn short! Perun always leaves me wanting more.

[@troyhadge8300]

Man you have a gift for presenting information, it probably helps that I'm interested in what's being presented but the way you tie it all together so seamlessly is awesome

[@stoneHeHenge]

34:36 *You have to remember that UKR received 300-400 BWP-1 (Polish designation of BMP-1) from Poland alone. Add deliveries from Czechia/Slovakia/Greece etc and you'll get ~500-600 vehicles delivered. This explains why the % of losses exceeds what UKR started with.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Even from WWII loss statistics, armor that was "lost" could end up in action the next day because they were towed and repaired. This is how you end up with Soviet kill figures exceeding 100% of German armored forces.

[@ShadowDragon1848]

The M1 section was pure gold!

[@Dreadhead02productions]

13:25 Your explanation of the unimaginative nomenclature of US WW2 equipment was a personal highlight XD

[@thespicer]

Haha I've been trying to record my IFV video for a few days now but things kept coming up, it's like the universe was telling me chill dude, Perun's got a knowledge bomb you have to watch first. That M1 bit had me though, listening while at work and M1 gets said about 50 times in 30 seconds. Thought I was losing it for a minute. So much good info, as always great work, keep it up!

[@MattMajcan]

youve gotten so good at making these vids quickly, i remember at the beginning a video would come out and id be like oh yeah i remember that from a few weeks ago. Now its more like i was literally just reading about IFVs and now theres a perun video about it. Everytime something interesting happens theres another perun video right away. you are on point.

[@dcleary]

"The theory says this should be a very one-sided affair but once war breaks out and vehicles start catching fire left, right & center, well practise has a way of beating up theory and stealing its lunch money" - Perun 2023 (pure gold XD)

[@ricardoospina5970]

One thing I have heard is the M2 with a GPS and laser ranger finder could be used as an artillery spotter vehicle, since the Ukraine's best tracked armored vehicles have the lowest losses that sort of makes sense. Also I think there are some laser guided missiles like Brimstone2 that have been provided so the M2 could be used as a force multiplier.

[@werfault4076]

A thing to say about captured r**sian vehicles: Sometimes units don't report to their command that they are captured IFV or a tank or other stuff, so they can keep it (often territorial defence). The thing is, if you report that you captured let's say IFV, that IFV would be taken from you for inspection, maintenance and probably reassigned to another unit. So in order to keep it, you simply don't report that you have those things. But obviously there's some cons: if on paper you don't have IFV, than you're not receiving said maintenance and ammo resupply.

[@brenthorn2475]

At age 19, back in 1971, a few of us rode on top of an M113 on a reddish dirt road about 15 klicks east of Chu Lai SVietnam along the foothills. We had a couple wounded in the shell. F-4’s and saw-equipped Hueys kept NVA down while the 113’s extracted us.

[@sqnhunter]

Wait..... did you time travel??? How the hell did you get SAW equipped Huey`s? If you are talking M249 SAW...it didn't see service until 1986??? Huey`s in Vietnam usually were fitted with the M60D! But def no SAW! Every man that served in Vietnam knows they used M60`s.

[@Strafprozessordnung]

@@sqnhunter maybe a daydream. Bc being in war is kewl yo

[@sqnhunter]

@@Strafprozessordnung Yes...only kewl until you been there. Being there changes outlook!

[@Strafprozessordnung]

@@sqnhunter never been myself, had enough seeing what it did to friends. And "living in action/the field" (trenching, living out of a backpack, literal german term translation), just fucking sucks. Fun, but only when talking about it afterwards. No where near as fun as the advertisements 😂

[@sqnhunter]

@@Strafprozessordnung 32 year veteran myself, 15 years retired and living in Mexico now. I don't wish it on anyone myself. You cant live normally afterwards. I just like being alone now days. My kids and my grandkids should never know what war is, but if this war gets out of hand in Europe, I can see my hopes wasted with the reality of the conflict, along with the rest of the world. While I detest war, sometimes the only way for evil to succeed is for too few to do too little. 🤥

[@miguelbahamonde6321]

"You need to make up for combat losses, the vehicles that have exploded for instance, these are no longer particularly useful in combat and should be replaced for unexploded vehicles..." loved you insight there lol

[@richardgilman4602]

Perun, kudos for your comprehensive analytical projection of the role of infantry fighting vehicles in Ukraine, in particular their utility for force concentration and dispersal in both attack and defense engagement scenarios. These abilities afford the AFU a documented force multiplier on the battlefield that has not gone unnoticed by its allies.

[@WWFanatic0]

Also something of note for the Bradley in 1991. While yes it did do quite well we forget that Iraq's armor force was pretty old. According to IISS MB in 1990, only 1000 of their 5530 tanks were T-72s. The remaining 4500 were basically equally split between T-62s, T-55s, and Chinese Typy 59/69 tanks. Russia is pulling out a lot of old hardware, but they're not at the stage of making nearly a third of their tank fleet T-55s...

[@robertsneddon731]

An ATGM of the type the Bradley carries will seriously damage any modern tank, at least a mission kill which is all that is really needed in a fight i.e stopping the other guys from shooting back at you. A T90M with its gunsight obliterated or having a track blown off is not a functional piece of kit any more. Flipping the turret of a T-72 is spectacular but it's still only a mission kill in reality.

[@WWFanatic0]

@@robertsneddon731 For sure the Bradley is still a very deadly IFV, particularly to Soviet designs from the 80s to early 90s. My point was that while Russia is pulling out old kit, if an ODS era Bradley goes to Ukraine its typical targets will be much better protected. I've not been able to verify them, but I've heard accounts of Bradleys defeating tanks in ODS with just the autocannon. A T-55's top armor was vulnerable to autocannon fire (hence the idea of the A-10s gun). Even an old T-72 wouldn't have such vulnerabilty though. Basically the Bradley was fighting mostly tanks and IFVs that were a decade or two older than it in 1991. In Ukraine they'll likely go up against targets of similar era (assuming they're getting old models) and in some cases newer vintage. It's still a highly capable vehicle, but it won't be nearly as easy a fight and unlikely to be a stomp like 1991 was.

[@charlesc.9012]

The t-55 was less than 40 years old at that point and still a viable machine, the most common NATO main gun was still between 90 and 105mm. The t-72 fleet is now about 50 years old, and a t-72A in 2023 is less effective than a t-55 back in 1991

[@Strettger]

A correction for the slide at 07:30. What you have identified as a Battletaxi, the M113 is in fact an AeroGavin in its dismounted ground support role. I understand that the high quality videos are coming out at pace but I'm surprised your editors didn't pick up on this viral oversight.

[@crusader2043]

R/NCD is leaking again

[@anthonyhayes1267]

Ah, I see you are a man of culture

[@robertmills8640]

I'm hoping this is a joke😁

[@Midire]

@@robertmills8640 check Lazerpig for the storied history of flying tanks.

[@jakesully2868]

🤣🤣🤣 the Terrifyjng Genious

[@smartguy360]

Tanks when used correctly are still a viable platform, the russians don't use theirs correctly and that is why they have lost so many of them, another great video

[@V-V1875-h]

but even poorly used they are better than no tanks, the situation would look much different if Russia had no tanks

[@a0flj0]

Also, training of the crews themselves makes a huge difference. Russia didn't have very well trained troops to begin with, and lost most of the somewhat trained ones in the first few months of the war.

[@tommybronze3451]

22:50 - Dear Perun, there is an old engineering saying: "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, and in practice, there is"

[@holgerfickenwirth478]

Hi Tommy, I am an "old"engineer, a german , and we also have a saying: theory is, when you know all and everything, but nothing works. Practice is, when all and everything works, but you dont know why. We have the perfect combination of theory and practice: nothing works, and nobody has an idea why not!

[@mr.understood4119]

The m1 part sent me dying from laughter

[@danielfrisk925]

Enough IFV's also serve as a great tool to move troops, and move them fast to where they are needed which reduces fatigue and other health related issues due to marching. It increases morale, initiative aswell when troops know they can take cover inside their IFV, which also increases survivability of wounded troops due to the speed, mobility and ability to carry heavy weight out of the battlefield.

[@oscarcharliezulu]

I thought this would be boring but instead I was riveted the whole way thru. Great work mate. Really brilliant.

[@robertpappa5129]

Excellent presentation!! Keep it coming! Thank you for your efforts and success!

[@larsrons7937]

Thanks for yet another good breakdown, very interesting. In march 2022 I saw some Russian make a very good *breakdown* on the BMP. After having watched it all I must admit, yes, the BMP was completely broken down. It was towed away by a Ukrainian tractor. Slava Ukraini!

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

That was not a bmp but a MT-LB.

[@mikes1689]

As a former sgt in us army during the 80’s, I thought the bit about the M1, M1, M1 etc was hilarious! I had to rewatch multiple times.

[@MrYukon2010]

Brilliant as usual. Thanks for the effort of making these video's. I/m sure it's a lot (and I mean A LOT) of work involved. Always looking forward to Perun Sundays.

[@SargentGunnery]

Perun, thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos.

[@jboquiren1]

Perun has that rare element of 'Je ne sais quoi'. It is the ephemeral un-nameable quality to his commentaries that makes for a riveting watch and makes a dry factual presentation both memorable and hits the right emotional beats.

[@tavdy79]

"You cannot pay your teachers in armoured personnel carriers, and even if you could I'd recommend against it - unless you want the next teacher's strike to be that much more interesting." Mick Lynch, please take note.

[@uniwasamistake6334]

People on the internet might talk about how "vulnerable" certain vehicles are, but any army dog who ever walked 20+kms in full gear will take any form of vehicle with welcome arms. Regardless the shartness of the state the car/bus/ifv/tuk-tuk is in, the usefulness is only limited to the user's creativity.

[@suntiger745]

Amen. I mean, they'll walk if they have to, but riding in in discomfort in an armored box is better. :)

[@kazansky22]

Amen brother, I'd rather ride on a donkey then hump all that gear.

[@ycplum7062]

Back in the late 80's, I was an armored reconnaissance specialist (aka cavalry scout) in the US Army and trained on teh M-3 Bradley, FYI, the M-2 was the Infantry version and the M-3 was the Cavalry version with a minor interior layout. We spent as much time on foot as we did mounted. With a lot of experience in and out of an armored vehicle, I can tell you that visibility sucks in an armored vehicle. My experience gave me more respect for the German tank commanders that went into battle with their head sticking out of the hatch. M113s still have utility as an armored supply vehicle, delivering food, water, and especially ammo to front line units engaging attacking Russian troops. They also make excellent ambulances, not just for front line troops, but also for civilians in cities being shelled with suicide drones and missiles. The M113 offer some protection from shrapnel and flying debris as well as being able to push through or go over debris in the streets. I have had the experience driving a MT-LB at the National Training Center because my unit was briefly tasked with being OPFOR. I was the shortest guy in my unit and the only guy that can sit up straight in the back of the MT-LB. I cleared the framing beams by about half an inch. Everyone else had to sit hunched over. Fortunately, I was driving so I actually had much more room than everyone else.

[@bigman23DOTS]

I kinda feel like after watching so many of these I’m an armchair expert….I find myself asking questions about our Australian defence force I never really thought I would

[@tonybooth4]

Yes if I was Smith, I would be worried

[@bryce4724]

Like why the duck did we ever get the F18 over a conformal fuel tank F15 .... Then you remember our politicians during the time n it all makes sense

[@SeanvanBerlo]

Maybe look up what the dunning Kruger effect is 👍

[@richardfewer9348]

Which is the highest compliment you can give that it informs you and made you think

[@TheCol111]

@@bryce4724 Wasn't it the case that we weren't sure about the F-15E's development timeline (multirole good) and purchased the F/A-18 instead and fitted it with ILS instead of ICLS?

[@bcguy]

@perun Your presentation was excellent. Very well thought out and well organized. Your report essay style is great, intro-detail-summary. Love it. Like reading a captivating research paper. It is clear that the research that you have done is deep and well planned. You have obviously asked the right questions of the right people. It is very refreshing to see in light of all the arm chair generals you see online making analyses with a boat load of assumptions based on what they see in a half dozen recent videos. I am absolutely impressed that you travel and interview people. Very impressive that you manage to pump one of these videos out on a weekly basis. Keep up the good work. I wish that I could support you financially, but would definitely do so if I could. I am just not in a position to do so other than the like button. For all those reading this who can support you, I highly recommend to hit the like button and support Perun financially.

[@Geotpf]

Personally, I am of the opinion that a prolonged conflict serves nobody's best interests, so the US should just give Ukraine something like 1,000 Bradleys and 500 Abrams (or maybe even more) and just end it already. We have much more than that gathering dust in the desert, and I think the percentage that are serviceable in our desert boneyards is going to be a lot higher than Russia's in their boneyards in wet and cold environments, not to mention corruption and lack of maintenance on the Russian side. Yeah, yeah there are maintenance and logistical and training issues, but those could be overcome if there was political will to do so.

[@awf6554]

Maybe not the Abrams', but certainly the Bradleys.

[@sgtwarford]

You should know I would gladly watched a detailed series on some of your topics such as Russian corruption, weapons and equipment upgrades, tactics, and logistics. The air defense and artillery videos where extremely appreciated. Thank you for what you do.

[@mcwarrington]

Good stuff, as usual! Please keep it up. Very interesting analysis of the capabilities of the Bradley fighting vehicle. And lovely snarky humour that always brings us back. Best wishes from New Zealand!

[@dennisbanfield3711]

You continue to hit it out of the park with these videos, keep up the great work!

[@markmitchell457]

Thank you for this informative and comprehensive presentation. I do appreciate all the hard work you put into these presentations. Each and every one is excellent including the 1st one, which you said was rushed and unedited, but was actually pretty darn good. My absolute favorite is your piece on corruption. It's a hard hitting classic. Your writing historic documents.

[@africash0cks]

Thanks again Perun, I appreciate the content as always! Would you ever consider doing a look at the AJAX procurement debacle?... I'd love a better understanding of the challenges in managing such a procurement and why such major companies & governments with so much oversight can still screw up.

[@StretchMedia]

51 mins and 21k views. Your Killin it Perun. Keep up the good work👍

[@gr4172]

What you say around 50:10 about the use of AFVs and IFVs reminded me of the famous WW2-study on the enforcing of bomber planes. They had created pictures that showed where all the returning planes had gotten hit and initially wanted to enforce these areas with steel plates. Then someone came up with the idea that these hits are on planes that had RETURNED. Those hits they did not see on the returning planes were probably those, which were really dangerous and deadly. And so they enforced the areas of bomber planes, where the returning planes had not gotten hit. And it worked. There is some term, some "...-bias" that refers to that phenomenon, too. However: Maybe also with AFVs and IFVs one should not look at those infantry-losses with destroyed AFVs and IFVs but at those infantry soldiers that have not been lost because these vehicles were in use. The number of losses might be way bigger, were there less AFVs and IFVs.

[@Dominik-K]

Thanks for the analysis, really well researched and the content is always a pleasure to watch and think deeply about Great work, keep it up

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

*America and Germany announce IFV shipments to Ukraine* "Yay, IFVs finally getting their time in the spotlight!" *Britain and Poland announce shipment of Chally's and Leo's to Ukraine, all media attention instantly switches to that* "God damnit..."

[@jozefkozon4520]

Laughs in Polish. XD

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

@@jozefkozon4520 hey I ain't complaining, the Poles put here being the absolute MVP for crucialness in getting shit, others shit and their own shit, to Ukraine.

[@jozefkozon4520]

@@kostakatsoulis2922 I know. I'm dorking here a little.

[@tyranneous]

Not seen a lot of comments on it, but I for one absolutely appreciate the American M1 section. I actually laughed out loud and people looked at me funny.

[@bluestone9726]

As a Swede I would love to see my country supply Ukraine with some of our CV90's. Like you said in the video on Sweden and Finland joining NATO we basically have such a disproportionate number of vehicles compared to active dutry personnel that it's a question if anyone in our armed forces needs to walk anywhere. I'm sure we could spare some for Ukraine.

[@jintsuubest9331]

Earliest that would happen is Sweden become a former member of NATO. Even then, I doubt we will seem much of this. I'm thinking Sweden would instead want those extra cv90 to build up a larger active personnel.

[@henafoo]

As Finnish I would hope we could give our modernised BMP-2s (they are equipped with thermal sights) to Ukraine and buy some CV90 mark 3s (possibly on a cheap due this) for replacements from Sweden.

[@bluestone9726]

@@jintsuubest9331 Well a day ago I would've said you're probably right but believe it or not we're apparently sending 50 of them, as well as the Archer artillery system. For once I'm glad to be proven wrong.

[@Peanutcat]

"An M113 will look at a BMP-2 and see a dire threat. A Bradley is going to look at a BMP-2, and see a *target*." - 55:50 Perun that sentence was poetry.

[@michaelkerley746]

A video on modern combined arms doctrine would be really interesting. I feel like I've seen pieces of it, but combining it all is not entirely clear to me

[@maccaberry1041]

Number 1, best channel on the operations of the belligerents in this war. Perun, you provide analysis in a depth and breadth that commercial providers could only dream about. The work you put into each and every one of these background primers is amazing and appreciated.

[@jimtalbott9535]

Your comments on “if you’re a video gamer” got me thinking: we could create a “Perun Approved” HOI4 mod for this. Russian govt spirits: Kleptocracy -50% div recovery. Conscription resistance: -30% recruitable pop factor, -10% Div Org. Available Field Marshalls : Gen Corruptski, Gen. Griftskorolov

[@kazansky22]

-80% production efficiency due to sanctions. +90% production cost due to sanctions and corruption lol.

[@scottstempels]

Great video, I have but one suggestion: dont do more than 8 or max 10 lines per slide. If more it becomes difficult to see. This is true for an actual presentation for a large audience, but just as true for an audience watching on a cell phone.

[@boarwilde8805]

Well now the HS.30 is sad for not be mentioned as one of the first IFVs

[@PerunAU]

It was in the description but I elevated it to the Pin as, on reflection, it does deserve a louder callout.

[@MrFusselig]

Even the development of the Marder started before the development of the BMP, and Marder prototypes were tested even before the development of the BMP started. The Marder was not an answer to the BMP, but the successor of said HS.30.

[@wordofswords5386]

@@MrFusselig sure bud.

[@csec95]

One thing about using the bmp 1 or 2 over the 3 is that the troop compartment layout is considered more useful. The bmp 3 has a lot of firepower but limited utility for things like casualty evacuation. Source: former Russian conscripts.

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

Yeah, the BMP-1 &2 door configs look more practical.

[@bikenavbm1229]

this kinda channel makes KZbin such an amazing resource thanks Perun my mind spins just thinking of the work that must go in to something like this.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

Re the AFV in static warfare, that is kind of half of what the Universal/Bren Carrier was intended to be used for, supplies in, replacement troops in, wounded out. So the idea that some form of tracked lightly armoured vehicle would be useful in static warfare has been around a while. That other half was to transport a support weapon and team across shelled and bullet swept ground (allegedly in significant discomfort).

[@chrisroberts2843]

UC was used in pretty much all the roles discussed, including battlefield support. With 110,000+ produced, it was the workhorse of the British and Commonwealth forces for 20 years. I was surprised Perun didn't mention it in the history portion. Far more important than the Kangaroo (and I say that as a Canadian).

[@JustOneAsbesto]

"Firstly, humans have a pretty strict upper speed limit." That's the quality comedy content I keep coming back for.

[@p.l.5860]

Amazing details. Ty. Love the long format. I listen to your videos over and over.

[@christophernicolson5086]

Thank you for reminding everyone that the headline $$ for delivery is not an outlay now. It is a historic outlay and represents an initial purchase cost years ago. In many cases these vehicles are to be decommissioned at a not insignificant cost. There is an overall net benefit in donating mothballed, set for decommission, materiel as you forgo the decommission/ scrappage cost. Russia pays that instead ;)