PES 2017 | CRACKING THE ATTACK/DEFENSE LEVEL CODE...

[@papinho81pap67]

Matt, I think Tinker at OS was right. The Long Ball, Quick Counter and Possession simple tactics have no effect on the ATTACK/DEFENSE levels. I test it extensively with Monaco and Brazil that have BLUE/BLUE and ORANGE/ORANGE default configuration respectively. Nothing happen they kept their default configs when set to any of these three simple tactics. However all the others works and the changes work as you mapped them.

[@TopazCentuallas]

Good to see you cracking this problem. BTW I am @Mehtab from evo-web!

[@Matt10L]

Excellent!! Nice to put a name...with a name!! Great to see you, Mehatab!

[@komo514]

as always nice find matt.. you're right, it is HUGE. Thanks dude

[@papinho81pap67]

Awesome Matt!!! Can't believe we didn't find that before.

[@Matt10L]

Pap, I have been trying to get on OS to message you, but have been having issues! I would've told you well ahead of time, mate, so sorry!!

[@papinho81pap67]

No worries Matt. You know what? I love you mate!

[@umarmars47]

TBH what is this for and how will it benefit us?? It's just changing the AI's behavior right or am I missing something??

[@BosGaurus05]

Long ball, quick counter and possession game gave me orange for attack and blue on defence. There is no tactic for higher def level than attack present. did i do something wrong?

[@Matt10L]

No you didn't do anything wrong. Papinho and Tinker found that those values may actualy do something different. The bottom 4 values though are correct, however the top 5 vary. Need to do a bit more grunt work to figure out what exactly is going on.

[@papinho81pap67]

It is not the top 5 Matt, only the top 3.

[@Cenchff]

Here 2017

[@nubl37]

Great find. With 2018 being next-gen on PC hopefully this still holds true, assuming they are keeping the system the same. Just out of interest, with my brief time playing 2017 I found a big problem with the "player emotions" option. Having it enabled I noticed the CPU would go into some kind of super human mode during certain parts of the match, and this was resulting in absurd actions like ground passes that defied physics whenever the CPU needed to score. When disabled however the game did not feel challenging at all, it was almost like dropping two or three difficulty levels, and they were far less reactive to the way the match was unfolding. So I felt the player emotions killed the game and I refunded it after a couple of days. Is that something you've looked into?

[@Matt10L]

Yes, player emotions is pretty much the icing on the cake of necessary triggers the game needs. From Player Styles, Player Roles, Att/Defense levels, Tactical Rigidness, Team Chemistry and then Player emotion.....you'd think that everything cancels eachother out - which eventually it does. The reason why FIFA is the better game tactically is because it doesn't use all these other triggers to make up fundamentals. It uses Custom Team Tactics, but it doesn't use it by such a rigid scale that PES does. It's no wonder why that PES plays so much better without triggers, like it was in the older days. I hope that's what they focus on in 18. Less tactical rigidness, less triggers to execute gameplay fundamentals.

[@sebastiana9822]

So if I want to play a 433 with an orange/orange, can I still mould the tactics my way? (Possession instead of counterattack, frontline pressure instead of all out defense) or do I have to keep the style that comes with the orange/orange template?

[@Matt10L]

Yes, you can. After selecting the template, you can choose to go back to the Normal Gameplan, make the changes in the preset tactics, then when done, go to support settings and select Simple Tactics screen.

[@sebastiana9822]

Matt10L okay, thanks. By the way, do you know why there are no injuries in master league? Or why the lowest rated keeper always starts ahead of the highest one?

[@Nicodegea22]

Hello Matt i recently bought the game and would like the cpu to attack more since almost every team just sits back so your saying i should do this orange/orange tactic to every team and change it too by ability to ?

[@Matt10L]

Yes, Orange/Orange should work just fine. Unfortunately, yes, you'd have to change it for all teams.

[@Nicodegea22]

Matt10L thanks matt youre the best i have been working on it all day today i am enjoying it way more now i can feel the difference

[@wingedhussar1453]

hi want ur opinion on this i think ive made the game better by adjusting- kick power 100, ball winning to 40, body control to 40, for all players,it plays greatt

[@Matt10L]

Kick power at 100? I fear that may be too much, don't you? The kick power is almost on the laces everytime. I like the idea of the others though :)

[@wingedhussar1453]

Matt10L yes,kick at 100 because especially if u may want a more realitic pace at -1 speed it makes the ball not move slower , plz try it see what u think