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Seattle Seahawks HC Pete Carroll has been fired after 14 seasons. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy discuss if this was the right move for the Seahawks.
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[@quarterpound6513]

I can't believe u said Pete doesn't need to be a head coach smh

[@608312078]

this shows terrible lesean McCoy is hotrible

[@ericmeland4153]

Pete Caroll for the Chargers! I can feel it coming in the air tonight!

[@user-mo4qq6fi3m]

Y. R. Sad😢

[@oz1751]

People gotta see Pete Caroll’s full “farewell” press conference. Truly legendary, no matter who you’re a fan of. He got a standing ovation. How often does that happen at any press conference? Like him or not, he’s as sincere as they come, and it shows.

[@kingcook1485]

I don't like the young vs old argument because none of the younger coaches have won anything. The only one out of all the young coaches who have won a chip is McVay...OG coaches are the ones still winning all the SB's...js

[@Raiders4L4Me]

Agreed

[@tylerbradford427]

The oldest coaches in the league are only still there because they have rings. The 64 year old up and coming coach does not exist. if you’d rather a Pete Carrol Or Bill Belichick future over a Demeco Ryans, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shannahan future then sure

[@Raiders4L4Me]

Carrol development of players is outstanding. He had to get past blowing that SB and baby Russ b4 he could start over. Underrated, no one expected geno to play in this league.

[@revealingtruth3329]

Kyle Shanahan is only 44. On February 11th you will have to include him in the group with McVay as the young coaches who have won a chip

[@BigDilf3]

@@revealingtruth3329you said that as if it’s guaranteed

[@billbixby6787]

James is right. I root for the Niners, and always respected Pete. He was just starting an effective rebuild, and just missed the playoffs with Geno missing a stretch of time. Who may not be the greatest, is the best in Seattle. He just got young corners, and could load ip in the draft. They will be okay, but Pete should have had one more go.

[@joshuu8811]

a defensive HC who has invested a lot of draft capital and money on defense has its defense ranked bottom 5 the last 3 years. no coach making the money he’s making should be struggling to build an above average defense for 6-7 years. I love Pete he’s a great culture guy, but he what has he done for my hawks in the last 7 years is the determining factor.

[@biffpocoroba890]

ya don't know what you're talking about.

[@billbixby6787]

@@biffpocoroba890 okay Biff

[@kenkaneki1522]

@@biffpocoroba890I’m a 49er fan, and I don’t think they should’ve let Pete go makes no sense. He made Geno look like a pro bowl caliber QB when he’s trash. He still made the playoffs in the REBUILD era in Seattle

[@tommackay7433]

@@kenkaneki1522bullshit. Jeno had a good year last year but has returned to his mediocre self. This team has been stuck in mediocrity and there is no reason to believe we would EVER return to the SB

[@shadowsden]

Pete Carroll gets let go from Seattle but Matt Eberflus gets to stay in Chicago? This must be bizarro world

[@7741nhsq]

It is da da bears they don't make good choices

[@dillonsparks115]

I think Pete would do well with fields in Chicago

[@abdiqafarali3115]

Are they forgetting this is 2nd season after losing their franchise qb ? And Geno missed 2 games with a banged up offensive line

[@apecentury228]

Yeah I caugfht that too... I think bc Russ did so bad his first year in Denver that people didn't pay attention and Seattle last year was bounced in the wild card round; so also not memorable.

[@neugassh3570]

2nd season with bottom 3 defense

[@bobxiong4516]

Carol and Vrabal is more stable than 50% of the coaches now.

[@giffondhall9214]

NAh

[@17thNO]

If the media and fans have it their way every coach that doesn't win the Superbowl each year there would be 31 head coaching vacancies every year.

[@randomanton]

That would be interesting

[@enigma13ff]

The Seahawks are going nowhere, thats the issue. 9-8 every season isn't good anymore. I agree with you that anything isn't the Super Bowl is too high of a car but the franchise does need a shakeup.

[@randyrenner7643]

A lot of Seahawks fans proved this year that they don't get football. Acho is a tool

[@randyrenner7643]

​@@enigma13ffor maybe they needed time for the new faces to gel. Now someone else will come in and get credit for winning with HIS team. Gruden was good at it.

[@jwattlofi]

@@randyrenner7643 yourself included? then you would know that the same issues that happened this year have been going on since 2016. it's one thing if it's just one or maybe even two years of a "rebuilding team" but the fact is we have not fielded a top 10 defense since 2016 and has ONE playoff win since 2016. 7 years is PLENTY of time to show if you've got it in this league and he's shown that while he can bring us to playoff contention, it's never controlling our own destiny like back in 2013 and 2014. it's having to rely on other teams to get into the playoffs. not about what you've done it's about what can you do NOW

[@user-dc5hf6em2s]

Age means nothing. When it comes to coaching. It's how they relate to players. It's how they motivate the athletes. Age has nothing to do with that. Good coaching is good coaching regardless of age.

[@haydennyagah706]

I understand Acho's point that there's a youth movement in coaching as of late, but if you're good at your job, then age doesn't matter. And Pete's been a solid HC in Seattle, quite frankly, he made them extremely relevant. They were becoming a forgotten franchise before Pete got there and now everyone remembers him, Russ, and the Legion of Boom (as well as not running the ball). We don't know yet if it was the right decision but what I can say it's one of those decisions that can set a team back 3-5 years.

[@trentwise3762]

for any other team who released their coach this year i'd say yes. but seattle has so much talent on the team that I feel like of any team looking for a coach this offseaon, they have a team already ready to be taken over. outside adams, there really isn't a dude on the team who you can say they are hurting the team by being on the roster. diggs and evans maybe. but not only is the team full of young players, but they also are going to have a lot of cap room, maybe not this offseaon, but next offseaon for sure, as adams is no longer under contract, diggs would be gone, wagner probably retires after next year. this would be a fun team to take over so i think the next dude is gonna hit the ground running.

[@neugassh3570]

pete was trash for years

[@trentwise3762]

@@neugassh3570 two back to back Super Bowl appearances. 11 winning season. 10 playoff appearances. You clearly never watched football

[@neugassh3570]

1 playoff win in the last 7 years@@trentwise3762

[@kevinoconnell9056]

​@@trentwise3762one playoff win in 7 years. You ain't watchin either

[@REB4444]

Younger coaches that haven't consistently won jack. Our coach Kyle Shanahan, hasn't won jack. McVay, and the Rams BOUGHT a Super Bowl & got lucky and haven't won jack before or since. Siriani, we are seeing the hole he has spiraled into. Pete Carroll consistent winner rebuilding, Andy Reid a couple of SBs, Bellichik won 6 SBs. They aren't a flash in the pan.

[@charlesrex3821]

Aaron Donald was always the best player on the Rams and they draft well in the later rounds and coach those players up. Not accurate to leave that out

[@owwwin221]

agreed but its important when a coach can make their side of the ball great. shanahans offensive is GREAT. mcvay offense is GREAT. belichek defense is GREAT. reid offense is GREAT. pete carrolls defense hasnt been good since the LOB and that has arguably been the worst part of the team since then. Russ kept the offense alive while the defense sold games but still won when russ was playing hero ball every week. age doesnt matter, but getting a guy who can make their side of the ball great is important

[@Dgm405]

Conclusion: rule changes that favor offenses are pushing older defense coaches who don't make the playoofd towards retirement.

[@Its_Large_Dad]

Based take Tbh. This is the real topic nobody wants to talk about

[@DAKreates]

Overachieved last year? The Seahawks had a much harder schedule this year they still finished 9-8. Joy trippin

[@757CitiesReppa]

It’s not just about being an old coach or defensive coach. It’s about being a good coach and having an FRANCHISE qb. They keep mentioning franchise qb but then act like the success is do to a coach being young.

[@user-sn3ky2md4v]

Tomlin didn’t have a QB ? He had a Hall of Fame QB with BIG BEN most of his career he won 1 superbowl with him and lost 1 with him .

[@enigma13ff]

So thats a failure now? Don't let Tom fool you winning multiple Super Bowls are hard. 17 seasons without a losing second with the last 4 with a revolving door of QBs. Ben was out his prime for a good 6 seasons.

[@giffondhall9214]

@@enigma13ff cap

[@HardCold-Alquan]

It is always dangerous to age discriminate, because that would mean that everyone's turn is coming AND you will have a LIMITED amount of time to do your job. Only McVeigh has won anything, while the other guys got only hype. Now, like the NBA, in the NFL, you eventually have to move on from older coaches and accept newer - or younger ones. You HAVE younger AND older right now. If every team got a younger coach - how many will win the Super Bowl at the end of the year?

[@2UGamingProductions]

He made geno smith a pro bowler

[@NotAnotherDouc-]

Seahawks fan here. I support moving on from Pete. It’s not about young or old. Yes, the Seahawks have been fine the last few years. But that’s all they’ve been, and it’s clear “fine” is our ceiling at this point. We’ll never be at the bottom of the league with Pete Carroll, but the days of being consistently even in the top third of the league are gone. That’s why it’s time to move on if we want to have a chance to be anything more than just “fine”.

[@Bmw26-bi2mo]

Shady must’ve forgot the ages of the coaches he won sbs with 😂

[@greyphox1991]

If Dallas had pete or tomlin for the last 3 years they wouod have a SB appearance. And i hate dallas

[@blackcat513358]

A great coach is a leader of men. Age doesn't matter and neither does the side of the ball they are on. Can you motivate people to be the best they can be? And do you have talent? This ain't difficult.

[@boxican83]

All these so called golden child coaches haven’t won anything

[@jasoncrawford2512]

Andy Reid has dudes who can’t catch the football and constantly make mental mistakes and who can’t block. Settle down Shady. Dude hanging on dudes area

[@sommerbearsy]

"How old is Stefanski?? Gotta be in his 50s!! Nah. Hes 41" Poor Stefanski getting hit with shrapnel 😂😂

[@seandeering500]

The argument that he said...they lost a few they shouldn't have. They beat every team below 500 they faced. And played 11 games against winning opponents. 10 games against playoff opponents...and still had a winning record. They needed a defensive coach change, let Carroll finish his contract.

[@haffy03]

Great point. They had a tough SOS this year. I'm not sure any team had a worse 5 game stretch when SEA faced Rams, SF, DAL, SF and PHI. I was hoping for a 3-2 record during that time and instead they went 1-4 which was brutal. Not taking care of business vs LA, CIN and PIT really did this team in and sealed their fate. Pete has been outcoached by Shannahan and McVay waaaay too much the last few seasons. It's very unfortunate but it was time to let Pete walk or let him go. There's too much talent on this Seattle team. I honestly thought this team was for sure going to go 10-7 but the ceiling was 12-5. You just can't afford to get swept by 2 of your 3 divisional opponents. Losing 5 straight to SF is just painful.

[@Ollv33]

Facts. They needed to get rid of Clint hurtt and ran another season with Pete. Absolutely wrong move to fire Pete. And he did get fired, because Pete specifically said he was Not done.

[@anthonychilds8193]

Seattle hasn't YET made the right decision to fire Pete because we haven't seen how they plan to move forward. We haven't seen next steps.

[@omarjames11]

He should have been fired the same night he call that ridiculous play if I was the owner I would have fired the entire coaching staff that night. and make them take a spirit flight back to Seattle

[@anthonychilds8193]

@@omarjames11 pretty sure Pete doesn't call plays. That play was absolutely the wrong call and an even worse result. I might agree with you the OC should've been fired. But not Pete. Doesn't call plays. Now, did Pete KNOW the play call and let it go through? Different story. Not sure. Personally, I was so disgusted when that happened I didn't watch or follow sports of any kind for the next 9 months (I normally follow baseball and football and will watch playoff NBA). One of the worse moments in sports.

[@rebusdx8072]

Bad take… great coach doesn’t matter if it’s offense or defense… Great coach of men

[@kbjr9423]

That's back in the days not now

[@rebusdx8072]

@@kbjr9423 so GREAT doesn’t apply to NOW anymore and the criterial is YOUNG?… that sound like a bad take as well… lol 😝

[@A.j.Harris]

Crazy how Mccoy says the NFL doesn't owe anyone nothing, but he felt like he should've been the lead back in Kansas City because of who he was 😂

[@duaneseibert7256]

It's not Geno who cost the Seahawks, it was the defense.

[@lsjmartin6220]

Pete looks younger than Andy Reid 💀

[@marceecousins8516]

And runs with his team at practices. He'll be missed on the sidelines in Seattle.

[@ricanman85]

Uh none of these young coaches won a Super Bowl without a franchise QB either or am I missing something? Lol they all needed to get a star QB to come in order to win anything

[@deezerbee81]

Bingo!

[@Aalender]

They had a conversation with Pete and they mutually parted ways and he got some equity and bread 🍞 from it - great coach great career

[@ace448]

You can tell most of the commentariat knows nothing about Seattle. Pete had 1 year left on his contract. We needed massive coaching changes on both sides of the ball and the available coaching pool is the best it has been in awhile. It was time, Pete is and will be a legend. Also went to the Super Bowl under Holmgren.

[@Nebula37]

Nah. You're going to get a coaching change and be mediocre for 4-5 years, at least.

[@samuelsandate9804]

Did I just hear that Pete Carroll is known for running the ball? 😂 😂 😂

[@FaceFamous]

I'm still aint over not giving it to Beatmode😂

[@user-it4yn9vz6c]

Now dats krazy den a mutha!!

[@danfin5924]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 y’all killing me bruh

[@tacohombre3648]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alfredad12]

Basically you guys are calling him old and outdated but yet saying on the other side of the month. Rediculus!

[@faustinomontoya1549]

You people say he hasn't won a playoff in a long time how come Tomlin gets a pass on that we know

[@FaceFamous]

2 different teams, different way they run their team.

[@faustinomontoya1549]

@@FaceFamous same result these commentators give passes to certain people

[@antoniohampton2753]

⁠​⁠@@faustinomontoya1549 There’s three main reasons. 1.) There quarterback situations are completely different. Tomlin has been stuck with the corpse of Big Ben, rookies, and mediocre also rans at quarterback. Meanwhile Pete didn’t win with prime Russel Wilson with good weapons in that time period. 2.) One took care of his side of the football, the other didn’t. They’re both defensive head coaches. Tomlin has had top defenses every year. Pete’s defenses have been bad for like 7 years straight. 3.) Tomlin is in a much harder division and conference.Every year the NFC north produces 3-4 top ten defenses. They also have 2 top five quarterbacks. He’s also competing with the chiefs and the bills in that conference. Would you keep a guy who’s no longer good at what he’s best at, can’t win with a top 7 quarterback and talented receivers, and is too old to change his process?

[@22jdawgjb]

Shadys host was USC Reggie Bush? That visit must’ve went CRAZY! 😂

[@giles815]

Joy is the smartest at the desk yet again

[@anthonychilds8193]

If an organization values the people they WANT to hire, they absolutely should show proper respect for the people who have brought them relevance. Joy's points against the ageism that Acho is preaching are salient. As far as being a copycat league, if you don't have the players/the talent, copying won't get you where it got the teams that you're copying and copying seems to guarantee you'll always be playing/coaching from behind. Follow the leader doesn't win championships.

[@DeCurtaRican]

They showed Pete plenty of respect by allowing him to remain much longer than he should have. Respect doesn’t mean you let a guy decide when he wants to leave. This is a business. Besides, how much respect did Pete show Marshawn Lynch or Earl Thomas? Pete didn’t let Richard Sherman stay a Seahawk, as would have been his preference.

[@anthonychilds8193]

@@DeCurtaRican the "this is a business" argument needs to be dropped: everyone knows this is a business. No one forgets "this is a business" or "this is the NFL (MLB, NBA, whatever)" when we're already talking about signing/ firing/ trading etc. As far as Pete already staying past his effectiveness that's also the debate we're already having. It's possible his time was done years ago but it's also a debate he was only ever going to get so far with the level of talent this team currently has. As for Sherman, Errol, and others that's also a fair point in a different argument because Pete is not the GM and while i'd have to double check each case, all the LoB (and Marshawn) stars you mentioned POSSIBLY aged out of their contracts and at their then-effectiveness level weren't going to get bigger contracts. Of all those i'd absolutely agree Thomas got shafted and were it not for that injury he might've gotten his due. I'm certainly not convinced Seattle is well-run and we will see how well their follow-up decisions work out in HC and culture moving forward.

[@Atrocity1k]

The only reason I agree with the decision is because he didn’t give marshawn the ball on the 1

[@KRey112]

😂

[@maskedman5657]

I'm not even a Seahawks fan and I could tell Carroll never made that call. He just took the blame for it

[@danfin5924]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@disqusrubbish5467]

@@maskedman5657 I think he later said he told Bevell "Give me a pass", and Bevell called it.

[@SarignCleric]

He had 3 times to get in the end zone, and he ran for an inch.

[@kifley19]

What is James Jones saying when he says that Pete Caroll was winning without great qb play. Russ was cooking was for a decade and Geno Smith had a great year last year.

[@joshuajohnsonii7532]

Ummm…. He is a defensive HC, our defense been trending downward since LOB (which was 6 or 7 years ago) last 3 years rank - 25, 26, and now 30 😬 love Pete but it was time 🙌🏿

[@joshuu8811]

they don’t like that facts

[@white14215]

I rock wit Shady, but Reid and Carroll are on different levels??? If Carroll had Mahomes he'd probably have more rings too

[@number3stunner118]

Seems premature. They weren't trending down, they actually were about sideways, but are building their roster. Don't they have a lot of draft capital still? And this old vs young talk is weird - didn't the cutoff for old change during the segment? Doug Pederson started out young and then became old in the discussion.

[@Hammy1TV]

This happened to Rick Adelman of the Sacramento Kings almost 20 years ago. Took the Kings until last season to make it back to the playoffs! Seattle, before Pete was a consistently under .500 team since their expansion year of joining the league.

[@ronnwilliams5857]

Not the same adelman didn't win the chip and had he not put his ego over the players Pete could've won one more or two

[@jwattlofi]

you apparently missed that we made a SB in 2005, 5 years before Pete became HC. yes we didn't win it, but to say we were consistently a below .500 team before pete came is a false statement. ever since the turn of the century we have been a winning franchise

[@trentwise3762]

@@jwattlofi i don't think he said they were ALwAYS under .500 lol. they were however consistently (meaning more often then not) a below average team.

[@neugassh3570]

why are you lying :D

[@GuyDollarSign]

As a Seahawks fan I wanted Pete to go … he’s a legendary coach but his apex is gone he doesn’t have an upside. If you think so, don’t think Pete could coach these guys to a ring in the near future?

[@SageNemesis]

As a Cards fan who hates the Hawks, I feel for Pete. I may not like the Hawks, but I've always respected them, more so Pete Carroll. I feel like the dude *still* has more energy than some of these younger guys. He's an amazing coach that's super fun to watch. I feel like Seattle should have let him decide. Or they just give him one last year to turn it around.

[@emmanueldean8822]

I respectfully disagree with shady. Bill B is still relavant. His defense is still tops. Every head coach needs good cordinators and coaches under them. The difference between Andy and Pete is that Kansas City is winning more because of Maholmes.

[@jessArcade]

These guys seem to be struggling to say this, "In 5-10 years, will Pete Carroll be as good or better than he is right now?" My answer is no. The "young" coaches will all presumably become better coaches over time, so a younger coach is a better investment. If the Seahawks had a super bowl window for the next 2-3 years, they should probably have kept Pete. But they don't.

[@xRich7x]

Well said. I think it really does matter who is at the helm at QB as well. For example, mason Rudolph is ok, nothing special. But look at the games he is having under Tomlin who is a defensive coach and isn’t considered the new youngins

[@jessArcade]

@@xRich7x I agree. But I would say the QB question is just a different way of saying "Superbowl window". That would explain why they were getting tripped up on Doug Peterson. Because his Superbowl win with Foles doesn't fit into the "good QB" narrative.

[@xRich7x]

@@jessArcade 100%

[@Rantradio77]

These are a compilation of bad takes from 1 segment. These coaches are blessed with GM’s that’s bringing them the groceries to cook. Ageism is all Shady and Acho is spewing. Seattle will struggle for several seasons and Pete will go and coach a superbowl winner. I hope that the Chargers pick him up.

[@hugohernandez3575]

Seahawks roster is good and talented, they won't be as bad as you think. This is why Seattle let Pete Caroll go, stacked with talent but not much production

[@jwattlofi]

@@hugohernandez3575 this. yet people don't seem to get that

[@zongchangwu7532]

All these people are sitting here and telling you r old you need to go home is the young people world 💀😂

[@Southernboy20]

Pete should’ve been able to leave on his on terms I don’t even remember the coach before Pete and I’m 42 I wanna say it was the old GB coach 😂

[@marquessmith7428]

Jim Mora who was fired after his lonesome 2009-2010 season.

[@hunterhatch7738]

So much "it's offense" but the both 1st seeds have the best defenses in the league 😅

[@galarook6151]

Carroll fumbled a dynasty, overdue

[@Cabooseforprez2012]

Did he fumble it or was it intercepted?

[@BIGNA281]

Lol faxxx

[@brink8824]

The defense kept Seattle out of the playoffs, it was not at all geno’s fault

[@TexasShaka]

Do you guys analysis anything? Verify and clarify info? NO! You’re discussing on a topic you have no idea or full story. 🤦

[@ryanodwyer9642]

They could have mentorship/apprenticeships with legends and up and coming coaches to publicize the passing of the torch and make it special/ceremonious

[@GrayTheDon]

Pete Carrol is a legend. That team with Russ and that defense hands down one of the best teams in modern day football we’ve seen

[@stevejeanty1658]

Age has nothing to do with this, is he an older coach?? Yes. But just like everything in life,you have to adjust with the times. Playing defense,and running the ball,won't get you far in today's NFL. Especially when you have two studs at the WR position.

[@brianrobinson4710]

Tell that to the 49ers clown

[@AlanStarks-qn6ek]

Youre wrong. History repeats itself. The Ravens run the ball and play defense, the 49ers run the ball and play defense. By the way, the running and off sets our opponents defending us and sets up the pass. Remember Marshall Lynch- the dual threat keeps defenses on their toes.

[@neugassh3570]

he is senile tho

[@sidwilson9673]

Yes Pete Carroll is a SUPER GREAT…. National champ - been to 2 super bowls and won one…. Hopefully Dan Campbell hires him as a senior adviy

[@Moyetfamily]

None of those young coaches would take this Steelers team to the playoffs

[@vegasroller7026]

McVay but not the others including Kyle.

[@Rascallucci]

There is a time in your life for everything. Essentially, the older you get especially when you are way past retirement age and when things start to slip, is really telling you is time to go. Pete Carroll is 72 now, his birthday is in September, so he will be 73 by the time next season starts. Look at the Seahawks, it has been going downhill for quite a few years already. Pete Carroll had a good run, may with a bit of luck too when he was able to draft that amazing defense and a young Russell Wilson. You coupled that with Beast Mode at running back, it was a team that was extremely hard to beat for a while. But, unfortunately for him, he wasn't able to repeat the formula which was when things started to slide until today when they have finally missed the playoffs. Even last year when they did make the playoffs, they knew they weren't going anywhere. Even the fans knew they weren't beating the 9ers. Give you another perfect example, just look at Alabama, even Nick Saban has just announced he is retiring. Nick Saban is 72, the same age as Pete Carroll. Alabama stopped winning and couldn't even make it into the final 4 of the College Football Playoff this year and voilà Nick Saban retires. Retire, enjoy the twilight of your life and spend some quality time with your wife. My dad passed away at 71, but at least he retired at 55 and was able to enjoy another 20 years of his life before he got sick. You never know when your time is up, there is no need for Pete Carroll to keep working at this age. He has made enough money, he should enjoy the fruits of his labor.

[@robertraygoza2117]

I think being older and more experienced is better in coaching. These young, coached teams have a good front office that knows how to draft. Thats why it seems like they are young and innovated.

[@tomtrinaelmes663]

As a Seahawks fan the best argument to let Pete go is ... He is a defensive coach who's defense has been at the lower part of the league since the end of the LOB... The Seahawks held on to him longer than they should out of respect for what he did... Love Pete for everything he did but agree time to get younger and move in an offensive direction.

[@Brawlstriker89]

We need to stop acting like things in life have to be particular people. It’s not age that matters. Or race, gender. Only thing that matters is, how well do you do that job? That’s what matters. Doesn’t matter about anything else. That’s goes for anything in life..

[@HardCold-Alquan]

The younger guys are not BETTER, they are just perceived as POSSIBLY being of more energy. Shanahan has a lot of hype, but he has yet to win a thing.

[@sthomas730]

Yes they are because the old coaches haven't won anything it's time to move on from them and start fresh it's a new era of football

[@HardCold-Alquan]

@@sthomas730 You simply believe what anyone on TV tells you? Aside from McVeigh - with a stacked team and help from the refs, name a young coach who won a super bowl recently?

[@tootalljones8012]

Ocho keep saying Mike McDaniel is part Mcvays tree but in fact they both was under Kyle Shanahan in Washington with RG3. Give Kyle his credit. Best coach under 50!

[@marquessmith7428]

Except for blowing double digit leads in his two Superbowl appearances - once as Falcons OC and as the Niners HC.

[@tootalljones8012]

True 😂 but we make mistakes

[@MrMan-sq7hp]

Being young does not make you a good coach.Jason Garrett and Urban Meyer were horrible NFL head coaches.

[@27mhz47]

Demeco’s offensive coordinator is young also he coached on the 2013 Washington team with McVay, McDaniels,Lafleur, and Shanahan.

[@disqusrubbish5467]

Without high-level QB play? Is he talking about the guy who has the 4th best passer rating of all time? The multi-year pro-bowler? Two time Super Bowler? The guy tied with Elway for most 4th quarter comeback wins? Don't embarrass yourself.

[@ceas8431]

It’s also great market for coaches this year.

[@neugassh3570]

Pete did keep up so well against the young coaches he went 0-4 against Mcvay and Shanahan

[@KRey112]

Let me just make one correction: Mike McDaniels is from the Kyle Shanahan tree. NOT Sean McVey🫨

[@ColemanCovers]

This show is getting so bad, even Joy is baffled by the points lesean is making

[@30smsuperstrat]

Kyle Shanahan has lost 2 superbowls and won none.

[@lakeshaumcbride2209]

I love listening to James Jones (JJ)! He’s so good and informative with his anaolgies 😊

[@Helthurian]

If it was any other season, I'd be iffy on this topic. However, there's a lot of good coaches that'll be available for the Seahawks so it makes perfect sense to move on from Pete.

[@anthonyblakely399]

Acho is against age.....but he is right....the NFL has changed....it's an offensive game now....and Pete is about defense. The league is getting younger like most organizations....Pete would bow out, so the owner fired him. We all knew it was coming. 😊😊😊

[@tacohombre3648]

💯💯💯

[@enigma13ff]

He's against average coaching.

[@ddawg468]

Pete hasn’t been about defense for the past 7 years… I watch every single game. This year we were 31 against the run and bottom against pass defense. The defense and the offense was atrocious with the talent they have

[@randomanton]

The argument shouldn't be about age, it's about performance

[@xRich7x]

As a major Steelers fan, everything your saying about Pete Carroll is the exact same for Tomlin, I don’t understand why u guys don’t keep that same energy when talking about Tomlin

[@tonyo3620]

Seahawks were 9-8 . Crazy decision to fire Pete Carroll. The Cardinals should hire him right away.

[@bg0420]

I think Washington would be a good fit. Get a veteran coach in there to set the culture for a team looking to rebuild

[@user-fq7kt7py4e]

He's an advisor for Seattle now. The people still love Pete. And Seattle knows how valuable he still is.

[@user-sn3ky2md4v]

I DON’T think Chiefs will keep receivers they have

[@kramergadd3672]

to say Seattle was nothing before Pete(11-0-3), Holmgren was 7-0-3 win tie loss seasons and a super bow appearance. Knox was 6-1-2. overall 26-4-18 first few years where rough but they have been decent at the very least their entire existence basically.

[@shonbell1529]

The age shouldn't be the crux of the argument, it's about "what have you done for me lately" or whatever Janet said. 😂 I agree, look at the production and if there's alignment w/ their goals. Also, I'm curious to see who the Seachickens pick up after PC and how they do in our conference/division and overall. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@DAKreates]

Shut up

[@jwattlofi]

if we get harbaugh we are running the division most likely, as long as we have a good QB after geno since he's not winning us a ring

[@j.olacio5298]

Lol the rams brought in every good player and gave away all their draft picks to win that 1 superbowl and haven't done jack since.

[@videogamesinthemorning]

It is not the age. It's the quarterback period.

[@bahamaduke]

This show has the most impressive woman in sports. She is intelligent, passionate, credible, balanced, and classy. This woman needs her own show.

[@arkadious9320]

short of being a woman there is nothing about her that says she deserves her own show. . except you know, those things.

[@Onyx_501]

And yet ppl in the comments still finds ways to hate her😢

[@Its_Large_Dad]

I know it’s a troll comment but tbh when she isn’t just riding whatever Shady says, Joy can actually talk sports pretty well.

[@hookemcm12]

Shady continuously has the worst takes on TV. Get him outta here!!!

[@stevokennedy2383]

Young vs. old has nothing to do with it! That being said, it was time for him to move on. I love Pete. Hopefully, seattle can get a good coach

[@36090pburke]

The difference with Tomlin and Pete is there both defensive coaches but Tomlin still coaches good defense. Pete's defense has been horrible for years

[@katiehallan8542]

Leave it to brilliant Joy to bring the block back to the topic at hand and alleviate the ageism bias ❤ you are a Queen 😊

[@mr.friendandcompany6329]

The other reason no one talks about is that the older coaches demand more money.

[@17thNO]

The Chargers coach is younger than me and how then that go? A 65 year old coach then been to 3 of the last 4 Superbowls and won 2 including the last one

[@deezerbee81]

Yeah that Mahomes had the answers.... When McNabb didnt...

[@DeeMeechie]

No one picking McVay over Tomlin so the cap

[@relaxingtimeswithmav6485]

Bring him to the Eagles as DC

[@user-te4jx7gc4c]

Jody errored here!! Pete is rebuilding a team that will become developed next year and years after. Seahawks are 5th youngest club in NFL. Pete built an amazing organization and by pulling him from head coach the team will deteriorate within 3 years back into the ground where it was before Carroll showed up.

[@IntraVortex]

Great, spirited debate. I'm sold on the young, offensive minded coach concept.

[@Brad88ford]

What is up with the dramatic photos in the screenshot haha.

[@dwalkeradz]

Shady McCoy talking about someone being old and knowing when it's time is irony at it's best. Still salty at EB and the way his KC career ended.

[@anthonyblakely399]

I AM SHOOK!!!!