Shogun Episode 6 Breakdown | Recap & Review

[@PetePeppers1]

I really liked how this episode shifted towards the end game now that we're in the back half of the run. The actor who plays Ochibe has a real presence that is distinct from everyone else we've met, and I don't know if it was just me but the costumes went to a different level since she's been back in Osaka. These last episodes should be exciting. Let me know what you think.

[@kmyeaa]

Ok

[@baronwarborn9107]

Like a chess game this episode really deepens all characters before what I am guessing will be some serious end game intensity. Truly masterful. Shame there are so few shows of this calibre

[@AnimeFan-ot7bu]

Blackthorne is not speaking English hes speaking portuguese but it’s English for it to be easier so the show is not only subtitles

[@ComradeInspector]

Through 6 episodes, I think I know now that my favorite character in the show has to be Yabushige. His facial expressions and the way he acts around Lord Toranaga is just hilarious. He’s so animated. 😂

[@PetePeppers1]

The actor is fantastic

[@ComradeInspector]

@@PetePeppers1 For sure. Thanks for responding! 👍🏻

[@MrCrisisZ]

I still laugh when the actors in Japanese make those sounds that aren't actually words but more grunts... OHHH ahhhHHHH Hahhh.. UGGGhhhh OOOooOO Hahhh.. all kinds of different grunting syllables .. without it being an actual word. Guess it just part of the Japanese language.

[@ComradeInspector]

@@MrCrisisZ Yeah it is pretty funny. Yabushige does that a lot too. XD

[@dksl9899]

That guy has Starscream energy

[@khaii13]

That tea house scene was EPIC. Everything was subtext. 1. First she said that “this is a private place where it can be dark if you wish it”. As if to say “I know whats going on". 2. Then Kiku mentions to his apparent ice how you notice something when its gone. Translation “this must end” 3. Then, after observing his guests says “a woman cannot look away when someone else suffers”, which subtly hints at her deducing what's going on between Mariko-sama and Blackthorne. But also hunting they can have a moment one last time. 4.Then comes the part where Kiku sits behind Mariko while she behind to explain the willow world. Where she is saying the words but Anjin can only see Mariko. Mariko, on her part, started bu translating for Kiku dono, saying “she says” etc; but gets all caught up and started translating as if she herself was saying it. 5. And it caps off with Kiku-dono asking if Mariko were to join them. It was all well staged. So well staged that, thankfully, they did not add the actual pillowing scene which would have cheapened the whole thing. Then the walk the morning after was a highly ritualized public display that was meant to dispell any rumors, and Mariko did warn Blackthorne not to make a scene. Im so glad you see through the subtext and all the Domestic and political layers behind it all.

[@jerahmeel1976]

It was beautifully orchestrated, these scenes when over a lot of individuals heads.

[@Traceymc937]

Thanks! Your interpretations just helped me a lot, this show is so confusing to me sometimes & yet I'm loving it which also confuses me lol.

[@khaii13]

@@Traceymc937 I’m glad that you feel that way. As I am an Asian myself, I can more easily see these things unlike most of the western audiences that comment here. Though I am not Japanese and therefore may have missed a few things, I’m confident that I have at least pointed you in the right general direction.

[@khaii13]

@comicbooksgalore8582 truth be told, the entire willow world scene could have been shot differently. It could have just been Kiku attacking Blackthorne while Mariko was forced to watch; and it could have revealed Mariko's state of mind the same way this scene did. But it would fail in a big way in two important ways: One: it would fail to show Kiku's wits and ability to read people. Two: It would relegate Kiku as just a cheap immitation of GoT's Ross, but with an Asian skin; therefore, losing the Asian audience who understands their cultural sensibilities. on the otherhand, seeing that the actual pillowing scene is necessary, acting like a sex starved teen-ager, is just another way of having a narrow-minded world view in which only your point of view needs to be catered to.

[@MetalheadSapling]

​@comicbooksgalore8582 Yapping about Wokism and Marxism under a Shogun video, please get some sunlight

[@ricosuave8060]

Hands down Pete does the best reviews, his commentary and video supporting editing. He does actually watch the show from a fan and reviewer mindset. Really look forward to when his vids drop, I make sure I'm able to pay complete attention to his review. Keep it up Pete! Much appreciated👍

[@eloylopezcuriel]

In so greatful for recaps. Theirs so much happening every episode.

[@daneo617]

Almost 2 much 😂

[@PetePeppers1]

There is a lot going on but they keep it under control.

[@ilai7893]

First with the rifle then with the tea cup, Fuji's acting is quite brilliant. Appreciate the nuance in the tea house scene, and Ochiba is downright chilling with some of the things she says. Overall, another great episode full of depth.

[@leonrussell9607]

It was a pistol, not a rifle

[@Andy_Babb]

The subtle humor in the series is seriously incredible. 11:09 this scene is hilarious. Fuji just sipping her tea like “oh this is gunna be good”

[@johnnyroq]

Fuji's reactions! Yes!

[@RandalReid]

*sips tea

[@jfboisvert9624]

Best Shogun episode recap on the market hands down, great job!

[@DHJakon]

The beheadings seemed out of context until you mentioned monks. Then I remembered the Ikko-Ikki monks. Anyway my favorite was the brothel negotiation since that was the only scene Fuji got screen time.

[@katieevans6640]

Thanks for all the recaps! Enjoyed it as I missed some of the key points until you mentioned them on all the episodes! It brought a lot of “Oh, A-Ha” moments. Enjoyed all your recaps! Looking forward to seeing more!

[@edkwon]

Great summary, I'm with most everyone else, that was probably the sexiest scene on TV and involved no actual sex

[@RickeyBobby-x2e]

Exactly correct: As We watched, I explained to a friend: There are Many moments in life between a Man and a Woman; far more Intimate than mere physical contact... He didn't quite understand.. , but maybe one day..... ☯️

[@mikehinkle5761]

Really enjoy your recaps - you catch a lot! I do several, "Oh, YEAH"s during them! Thanks!

[@PetePeppers1]

Glad you like them

[@animo9050]

"Well, I think it's time for another will" - Yabushige next episode, probably.

[@2MuchMoneyOutHere]

The tea house and brothel scenes in this episode were epic in my opinion. It was layers on layers that worked as you watched. Great story telling

[@TheRyomanagare]

I literally ran to this video when i finished the episode im so happy its finally here

[@chandler50]

Same 😂😂

[@Traceymc937]

Thank you for your breakdowns, I have such a hard time with the show that I have to watch and then watch some recaps on KZbin and then watch again to understand each one. No show has ever made me feel like such an idiot and yet I still love it and want more if that makes any sense❤

[@enoshn2]

Fuji was like “ ooop lemme sip my team and mind my business “ 👀☕️😂😂

[@skrible71]

Another insightful recap and beakdown. Arigato, pete peppers-sama

[@Andy_Babb]

I love that you give us an explanation with the actual history too.

[@Hochspitz]

This show really is a gem! Thanks for the recap, Pete.

[@greg.peepeeface]

The Fuji and Ochiba actresses, raise the bar for the show.

[@Hochspitz]

Fuji, especially. Ochiba has more to say and do but as Pete says, the actress is a master at facial expression. It's captivating.

[@greg.peepeeface]

@@Hochspitz yeah, she’s fun to watch

[@andherium]

Ochiba and her voice cadence is unbearable

[@kvineyard]

​@Hochspitz And the way Moeka Hoshi (Fuji) can summon up tears in a scene is incredible. I hope she gets an emmy nomination

[@whynot5568]

​@@andheriumyea the way she speaks like she's the smartest most cunning person in the world. It's beyond annoying

[@beyond_the_tequila_rift3194]

Dammit!! Anna Sawai delivered this along with her co-actors, cosmo and Yuka Kouri!! It was one of the best scenes that didn't have to show sex, but dance around the mere intensity, desires, and taboo's of Sex in those cultures!!

[@Excaliburhope]

This is one of the best shows ever made. Finally, a good show! Masters of the Air is also amazing by the way.

[@montellallen3133]

Masters Of The Air was just breathtakingly good. There was never a bad episode, just like Shogun.

[@chikogota]

masters of the air was good, not shogun good but good, some of the chapters were a littlebit slow with no planes but with such a short story to tell, it was very hard to do did you see the documentary with tom hanks talking? very good too

[@prome666]

Yes, this show is among (my) best shows like Rome and Battlestar Galactica.

[@saliuarts]

Fuji and Buntaro have my favors. this is one of those rare series that was compared to game of thrones pre-release, and actually turned out to be that good

[@stupidminotaur9735]

The will scene was funny. The kneeing was for putting his swords away . Then he was praying.

[@bammac69]

Yes, Toranaga is lying. Everyone is lying constantly. All these people were contemporaries of Nobunaga and Hydeyoshi. By now, lying is living. The truth is rude, ungraceful and disharmonious. Of course he wants to be shogun. He’ll use anyone to get it done, kill whoever it takes. Because he believes he’s best suited, but mostly because he knows no matter what things can’t continue the way they are.

[@chikogota]

he had all the power at the begining, so no, his motives are others

[@dandansfu]

I think that is what makes the show great is there are no Cleary good or evil person. sadly, I do find the show (or maybe novels as I am not familiar with novels nor real historical events) focus so much on John an Mariko and their love triangle stuff most of the time we are focusing on them when the fun and exciting plot is the chess moves played by everyone

[@glacialimpala]

So where do you see this coming to? Killing all regents and Taiko's air along with Ochiba?

[@bammac69]

@@glacialimpala They don’t stray too far from history, although they bring characters together who never met. Everything large happens as it happened. So I already know how it ends, as well as how it continues. The true story is, as always, just too convoluted and complex to portray. There’s no way to really portray it and the only way to break it down to the point where it could be put into a sentence is to say that no one is happy for long and everybody dies in the end. Ieyasu was perhaps the most cunning of the three unifiers, but he made errors that left Japan far behind the West when they finally returned.

[@glacialimpala]

@@bammac69 Thank you for giving your take on how the story ends without spoilers

[@thomashendricks9774]

My wife and I just started watching Shogun and just finished episode 6. This is my favorite show of the year now. I hold the original Shogun in very high regard. I've read the book but only once and a long time ago. So getting to watch this is like rediscovering Shogun. My wife commented that Ochibe moves like a snake, I have to agree with her. I love this version more than the original, because of the change of focus. I don't like the actor playing Blackthorn but I can live with him. He does an okay job but he's not in the league of the other actors. I requested the book from my local library, of course someone has it checked out right now. We'll be watching Episode 7 tonight and I can't wait to come back here to see your video for it.

[@mariodimas6366]

Ochiba took it to another level i feel like im watching an anime everytime she speaks its super legit

[@Thatguy.24]

Great breakdown I didn’t catch that she stopped translating once that flashback hit her! She tryna stay on her mission but love is pulling her the other way!

[@realadex9655]

I've been waiting for this review

[@khaii13]

Super late to watching your breakdown, which i now know is a BIG MISTAKE. I love your insights here. Let me just add a few things to help recontextualize some stuff while keeping the lines “history is written by the victors” in mind. The first few minutes revealed that Mariko was unaware of his father’s plans and held contempt for Hidekatsu Toda-sama even then, and i didnt know this until this episode, she views him as below her station, or beneath her in ranking, as evidenced by her comment in the flashback about how her father is discarding him; also telling Ruri-hime (Ochiba sama) what a joke and worth less alliance it was to marry her off to the Toda family;and also by his comment to Toranaga about how his father should have married her better. And so, when Toranaga revealed truth bombs to her, clearing up her misunderstanding, i was literally shouting at the screan “YES! THANK YOU!” So much so that the next door neighbour knocked on my door to check if i was OK. Lol😅😅😅 Also, though her words were subtitled “i have failed my father”, it could have also been translated as “I have betrayed my father’s trust” as in she betrayed him for wishing for death instead of noticing the great plans and hopes she placed on her when he married her off to a lesser house. And it puts Hidekatsu Toda-sama in a more sympathetic light, though of course, we still disapprove of the Domestic violence. But put yourself in the man's shoes. Mariko looked down on her and that marriage even before they were married. Hated him for sparing her life. and have been ice cold towrds here for the length of their marriage. That would drive any man bitter and resentful. which brings into question whether or not the physical abuse is a more recent occurrence or not (still not a good look and not something to be condoned either way); and if he had always acted harshly towards her in turn from the start or not, or if that was his defence mechanism toward's mariko's cold treatment towards her.

[@jeffjohnson1966]

8 seconds! A new personal record!

[@lydiaquinn2892]

Well done! Loved your review!

[@zimkatv]

Pete, please do "From", really need your deep dives for the show!

[@hammiranda]

Mariko is absolutely gorgeous 😍😍😍

[@GeraltBosMang]

When is episode 7 review coming out?

[@deltonkillen8024]

I haven't read the original novel. It seems to me that this adaptation and the original TV mini-series are excellent presentations of the culture and practices of feudal Japan. I like it.

[@darklylit595]

What was the significance of Kiku escorting Anjin back to his home?

[@angelfieseler5358]

In the book she bowed him home partly to gain a reputation as a courtesan and partly to get Omi jealous

[@Inkspeckle]

could also be about Toranaga wanting to show that Anjin should be considered a full fledged follower of his, since some of the men (notably Buntaro and Omi) still struggle to treat him as anything but a "barbarian". After all Kiku is not just a prosititute, she is a high-class courtesan whose services aren't offered to just anyone. By showing Kiku and Gin leading Anjin from the Teahouse in public they openly show that he is to be considered and important and valued follower of Toranaga's, especially since it seems to be public knowledge that he was the one who arranged Kiku's services for Blackthorn. Which makes it extra infuriating for Omi of course. You can see that he is struggling to keep his composure as he witnesses the two.

[@tandavi]

Love this show.. a lot..

[@oleksiimarynych7752]

Maybe someone can help me understand? how does Ochiba have any power? what's her leverage?

[@TPohlman40]

If Kiku's subtle metaphor of "noticing the absence of a thing" was directed at Mariko - to help unlock her feelings towards Blackthorne - she really knows how to get inside the 8-fold blind!

[@whydoyoutroll99]

I love how Mariko didn't properly translate between Kiko and Blackthorn to avoid their flirting 😂

[@paddymcgrath9721]

Pete the fact that your smitten by Soji, as am I, could not be hidden by any amount of subterfuge. The eroticisms of denial and restraint posed by chasteness are omnipresent and add a flavor of anticipation and drama for all involved. Pass the salt Peter... please.

[@shubhamyadav8484]

Can someone please explain Mariko and Rori's backstory? Who's father is who? And who got killed by whom?

[@leonrussell9607]

Ochibas dad was the guy beheading the men in the flashback and was the ruler before the taiko Marikos dad killed ochibas dad

[@glacialimpala]

​@@leonrussell9607That was obvious but what I would like to know is where Ochiba ran to when her father was killed and how she stayed so close to court at the same time, to be suggested as a concubine for Taiko.

[@leonrussell9607]

@@glacialimpala ochiba is still the daughter of the former ruler of Japan, why couldn't she stay close to the court?

[@BerndSchnabl]

I've read the book and around page 900 I started to resent, that he didn't write a historic novel based on the real events. I started getting more interested in the real events and the wikipedia articles of the historic persons

[@ibanezibanez2428]

Kiku she is Ishido "SPY"

[@Ace-mj8vj]

Unrelated to this video but will love see do your review on From tv series on mgm+

[@rafamadrigal12]

It's funny how at first yabushige was portrayed as a ruthless man who likes to see others suffer but ever since then he's been trying to save his own ass

[@teddnagurski5583]

I was completely lost in this episode. The subtitles are so fast that it's hard to read and pay attention to the action onscreen. And the characters all have similar haircuts and facial hair, so it's hard to distinguish them.

[@kristijan8518]

Are you going to watch constellation?

[@waltergibson9178]

Ok, so I'm about to start a fight. I might be picky, but I've noticed that the closeup shots of John Blackthorn him make him look like a stooped over Frankenstein. This gives me the belief that the photographer for the closeups must be a short guy. It may be because he's taller than the rest of the cast!

[@devinarthur6559]

2:36 12:30 12:50 13:36

[@watermage25]

This show is so good.

[@eastye26]

I just finished watching it like 2 minutes ago

[@PetePeppers1]

The first one was messed up

[@kmyeaa]

would probably visit this channel again if there weren't so many ads

[@saemonno-suke9959]

there is a rumor in Japan that the real father of Hideyori Toyotomi is MItsunari Ishida.

[@gibster9624]

Seriously tho. For a culture that had a lot of actors use masks when on stage japanese actors have some of the best facial acting ever. They say so much with just the subtlest of movements, and Fuji absolutely gets the best moments to emote during the show.

[@red19841984]

You have to love how KZbin is the closest thing to a Time Machine we have.

[@nicholasdesilvio4485]

So did Blackthorne get it on with Kiku or not? Did Mariko join Blackthorne and swap out with Kiku? Blackthorne didn't seem interested in Kiku and her services.

[@Perfectblue33]

I personally really like this series. It took me 2 episodes to get into it. But once you do. Oh boy! Thanks for uploading. Have a wonderful day!

[@asdowo111]

Women ☕ =/= 😡 Fuji ☕ = 👍😁

[@alannad3702]

I will hate when this ends...is there a season 2?

[@bphonn88]

No. There's only a few more episodes left.

[@timebandit1266]

Honor or Death! Best show since Game of Thrones. 🇯🇵

[@occamsox5331]

A drug to help her conceive is an interesting way of putting it.

[@Vegas3RSPilot]

Didn't Mariko's father kill Oda Nobunaga?

[@JcBrahamas]

Yes Mitsuhide Akechi betrayed Nobunaga at Honnoji

[@dancekeb1308]

"The victors write the history": Not always. Ever hear of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle? The Anglo-Saxons lost in 1066, but the Chronicle was still being updated a century later. Think the Normans were doing that work? Nuh-uh.

[@dandansfu]

Why ochiba dont hate mariko when her father killed her father? just coz Ochiba, felt , mariko father was just doing Toranaga work ? obviously I am not in his shoes or experience anything like her, but I would think , no matter who is the mastermind , anyone who plan or kill my parents, I would likely can't dislike and can't be frds with their children

[@kristinab8501]

I was thinking the same thing. They were friends, but the situation with their fathers changed both their lives. I doubt ochiba would have been a courtesan if her farther weren't murdered. I also think there is more with toranaga asking Mariko about her relationship with ochiba back in the day. Given their history I feel like he may ask her to try to talk with ochiba.

[@1czechit1]

history is written by the victors... except for the Greek Histories (Polybius) Jewish history (First temple, Second temple, Josephus, the Holocaust)... basically history is written by those who write history, and not the "victors."

[@nranderson778]

I was getting confused when they would show the two girls when they were young. I couldn’t keep it straight which one was which.

[@shubhamyadav8484]

Yeah me too. Also I still don't know who their dads are and who killed who.

[@kaleahcollins4567]

The tyco was her grandfather

[@saemonno-suke9959]

interesting that the complete fabrication of Marikos entire story how very real and accurate Ochiba/Cha Cha's story is. Why Mitsuhide Akechi deserves a flashback over Nagamasa Azai is another travesty.

[@eloneatmyshorts]

Exceptional synopsis and direction of this episode. So much so I’m subscribed to this channel and dropping another one.

[@PersianCatMeow]

Now what are the toys tha she introduced him to in the book?

[@aaronsc1936]

She’s an INTERPRETER not a translator

[@schattenseele66]

in my eyes her story change to the 80s series is more unrealistic. i dont think that a woman can play the game in that time of japan. but however as a story it is quite nice and very well acted

[@khaii13]

Ok, heres a cool theory. [Preface: i have not read the book nor watched the ‘85 minisiries, but i am aware of the details of the battle of sekigahara in broad strokes] What if Ochiba-sama is playing everyone, including the audience all along? What if she is manipulating Ishido to act more rashly and brutally so that his actions would lead to his allies abandoning him? What if she urges him to display his power by leaving Osaka castle and try to engage Toranaga in an open field? 200 plus women and Taiko-sama cant concieve. What if (and this is a deviation from the historical Tokugawa) the Heir, Ochiba’s son, IS Toranaga’s child? But thats just a wild theory on my part.

[@shubhamyadav8484]

I also thought she is about to tell Ishido that the heir is actually Toranaga's child. But then she delivers that fate dialogue.

[@khaii13]

@@shubhamyadav8484 yep, but thats irrelevant as she is consciously and purposefully witholding information. Point is she is talking to Ishido in such a way that she is manipulating him to take more and more drastic actions. Thus the wild theory that she actually wants Ishido dead. But thats just one of my theories about this out of many. Tell me more what you think!

[@hmbast]

I think Ochiba's acting is bit too corny in the show, I think the actress is trying to hard to make the audience hate her which is too obvious and not genuine to me!

[@toddmoss1689]

I loved a nuance included within the bargaining between Mariko and Gin over the price of John's visit to the Tea House that centered around the lacquer tea cups. After Gin points out the "lovely" lacquer cups in an apparent slight to her hostesses, Fuji apologizes citing the earthquake for causing great damage and loss for everyone in the city. Gin's self control of her words, expressions, and handling of the tea cup were amazing and pronounced by her graceful return of the her cup to the tray capped by the delicate, but very noticeable sound of the cup softly, but firmly, landing on the tray. I don't believe I've seen a show with this level of attention of detail since Downton Abbey.

[@dnhofer]

That was the most boring brothel ever..great episode but they needed some more entertainment at these places.😂ofc I'm sure the ending was happy😅

[@alvintcura]

Fuji is like a thief. Always a scene to steal.

[@s4usea]

Nothing regarding the Geisha bowing to Anjin after their night together and its implication? It was a big deal in the book, as it was in this episode...

[@genremags8317]

A geisha is not a prostitute. This is a courtesan.

[@s4usea]

@@genremags8317 and I didn't say she was. I referred to the scene and the book, which was a big deal.

[@penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022]

I don't care about historical fact I don't care this happened in Naruto universe As long it's fun, engaging I am for it Don't care about the old shogun, watch it clip from it, not very interesting I am late watching this new shogun, it's already past 3 episode that's when I begin to watch it weekly because of a few clips from the show

[@lendial]

11:29 i dont even know how you would make such a subtle movement of the eyes like that. would never of caught that on initial viewing. so does Fuji know the man she is consort to is sleeping with Mariko?

[@glacialimpala]

Hard to miss the fact your room mate is having sex when walls are made of rice paper 😂 Besides Fuji wasn't into Anjin at the time and she knows Marko never had love for a man in her life

[@TheCyberMantis]

If I was Blackthorne, I would be hooking-up with Fuji. She is fine, and also a safer choice.

[@leonrussell9607]

I'm not sure if she's willing

[@vedikakumeria8576]

So the Church is super villain here too. 🙄

[@NeilsonBuntowa]

Always been😅

[@ShiroiTengu]

Yes. Just as in real life

[@sundiatasoubefree683]

lol you think the Church has ever been the good guys?!? You haven’t been paying close enough attention my friend.

[@leonrussell9607]

All religions are pretty horrible

[@asrarmuzamir4201]

@@leonrussell9607 not all. learn islam

[@林清英-d6k]

東京吉原、遊女、花魁😅😅😅💋💋💋🙏🙏🙏

[@skylerortiztheboxer4910]

I’m so sick of saying that these characters are based on historical people. These characters are based on fictional characters from a novel. Those characters are loosely based on historical characters. But a copy of a copy will grow further from the original with every copy. This is the third or fourth reiteration of this story. The truth, the novel, the 1980 television series, and now this iteration. These are not historical figures. These are not historical events. This is a fictional story based on copies of copies

[@Timbo6669]

“Those characters (from the novel) are loosely based on historical characters”. - you said it yourself. This is all that has ever been said and if you’re reading more into it; that’s on you.

[@kevin54524]

Youre sick😮

[@romolips]

Settle down Beavis…

[@johnbelt5204]

Dude, no one (but you) cares. We only care it's a good show, for change. The people and events this is 'possibly' based on have been dead and buried for hundreds of years.

[@tak-g1v]

Historical facts are often more shocking than novels or TV dramas. Lady Ochiba became the lover of the man who killed her first father, her second father and her mother. 　And Ochiba gave birth to a boy who killed his parents. Ochiba (Yodo) has three sisters. However, she was in conflict with her two younger sisters and became their enemies. 　from japan

[@kaleahcollins4567]

He was disrespectful trying to over pray her prayers he had no intend of praying until he heard her. He was clearly showing his lack of respect for the latin language aka the Catholic church aka the Portuguese/ Spanish. He wants her to feel the same way to help him get them out .just so england could do the same things even worst later by way of the united states( the eldest and most rebellious child of England)

[@bluesclues8288]

I feel bad for Buntaro tho', she got cuckold after he's trying to save her wife from suicide and saving Toranaga. Buntaro and Fuji are the only two character that i like..and maybe Yabushige.😂

[@princez413]

While the show is better than a lot out there I still find it lacking. There's zero chemistry between Blackthorn and Mariko. They seem to miss great opportunities for emotional moments through out the series. I'll probably keep watching, but it's not as good as I hoped.

[@summerville6505]

Same

[@thelukos]

I honestly missed that the praying scene was supposed to be intimate. I felt he was annoying her 😂

[@fomalhauto]

@@thelukos he seemed to annoy her a lot with her outwardly expressing it a lot she even seemed annoyed with him when he was with Kiku when she said "By not making a scene for both our sakes." it's a very different presentation from the novel and 80s mini-series the 2024 version of Mariko comes off harsh and cold with Blackthorne the 1980 version and novel version of Mariko comes off kind and warm with Blackthorne

[@rickardred17]

I’m confused why oshibas son isn’t considered a shogun

[@leonrussell9607]

He's still a little boy and is the heir, the council of regents are in control until he comes of age

[@rickardred17]

@@leonrussell9607 I get that part. But I guess I’m confused what differentiates: a taiko, emperor, and shogun.

[@leonrussell9607]

@@rickardred17 emperor is the ruler of Japan, shogun is the military ruler The emperor is mostly a figurehead while the shogun has the real power The taiko was born a peasant and is not of a noble bloodline so couldn't be called shogun but filled the same position

[@rickardred17]

@@leonrussell9607 thanks man that’s helpful. So should Toranaga become shogun, there wouldn’t be a Taiko anymore? And has the show shown who the current emperor is?

[@leonrussell9607]

@@rickardred17 the taiko is dead and the emperor hasn't made an appearance, but he's pretty much worthless

[@TheRoleplayer40k]

What a dull episode

[@BlueT1000]

I found this episode to be incredibly dull. They must've been trying to save some money after the earthquake episode, or something. Plus, I'm not afraid to admit that I don't know what the hell is happening most of the time. So many names and clans, etc... As a result, I gotta watch videos like this after the fact.

[@DaKiDDKAYC]

I've been able to keep track of the story and characters for the most part but this episode had me lost af🤣

[@BlueT1000]

@@DaKiDDKAYCSo glad to hear that I wasn't the only one.

[@cocoacrispy7802]

"A man may go to war for many reasons: conquest, pride, power.* But a woman is simply at war." More clearly with each episode, the theme of 'Shogun' is Power: who has it, who hasn't; who has 'agency' and who hasn't; conversely, who is a victim and who isn't. Likewise on the domestic level, it's always a question of who has power and who is able to resist power. Peace, yes. Control; again, yes. What it is NOT interested in is good and evil. Religion not excepted. This marks it as the fruit of post-modern thinking about sex and gender roles. Toranaga reveals to Mariko at the end of this episode, "Your father once told me he wished you'd been born a man." *Feminist B.S. I never heard my father, a gunner in WWII, mention any of these. Nor my bother, who fought in Viet Nam. Nor my great-grandfather, killed in the Civil War.

[@glacialimpala]

If Ochiba respected Taiko she would grow to like Torunaga as his best friend over the years. Taiko surely spoke greatly of him to her. But then again it would make more sense for her to hate Taiko due to all the unwanted sex and drugs that came with his service. If she hated him then why be pissed off that he's dead and want to stay in the game of having to fuck men to get favors... She would want to be left alone if she was a real person.

[@NuEnque]

*The series is good but has dropped the ball in some many places. One simple example is Mariko reads his ships log. Remember Mariko speaks Japanese and Portuguese. John speaks Portuguese and English as he is an English man. They speak to one another in Portuguese but we hear English for the benefit of the entire show not being subtitled. What's my point? The Ship's logs on an English ship crewed by English men would be written in ENGLISH! Mariko would not be able to read them! Yet she tells him "I read your deeds in your own words." How?*

[@kengo7273]

The Erasmus is a Dutch ship. Mariko knows Latin as well.

[@spratmajor2576]

The crew is English. All Protestant English men. The Dutch lie is their cover. I lived in London for 3 years. English men only speak English (mostly). But if you need to believe this is the one show in history without a plot hole so be it. Do go look at the thread “where are the Black people” you will really be triggered 😂

[@leonrussell9607]

​@@spratmajor2576the crew is Dutch, only blackthorne is English

[@wjhall307]

@@spratmajor2576 I thought the same thing

[@wjhall307]

Ok. Did a little research. To plug this plot hole it is entirely plausible that the ship logs were written in Latin. Up until the mid-15th Century that was the norm and its conceivable the practice continued into the 16th Century. This may be especially true with a Dutch ship with an English crew.

[@JayboTheHood]

It's boring. Sorry but the whole show is a snooze fest. BORING.