Peter Hiett / What About Hell?

The goodness of God but hell, atonement but hell, reformation but hell, scripture but hell, Calvinism but hell; in this podcast Peter Hiett describes hell as “Satans big but.” In this conversation Peter walks us through the story of our own creation, the goodness of God’s reconciling love, the relational kindness of a God who encounters, sets free, and transforms. Peter describes a God who delights in His creation, a God destroys what is evil, creates what is good, and invites us to observe our own creation in Christ Jesus. QUOTES
Regarding relentless love and hell “At that point I was simply saying I want to hope this is true. And they said, “you can hope it, but you can’t believe it’s possible.”
“Knowledge of evil is believing I have to justify myself.”
“It's really not very complicated at all. If you take out the middle point of (Calvinism’s) limited atonement, you're left with a beautiful picture of this God who is raising his children and creating them in His image and He does it through His atonement and His atonement won't fail…”
“When you announce good news, you don’t say, “Now this is what you need to do about it, you just tell people, and the news changes folks.”
"But if you’re a part of the institution, you want people to give to the budget, you want them to go on the church retreat, you want them to come help pull weeds in the garden. So, you’re always tempted to say, “believe this or…something.” Well, hell is a huge “or something.”
“The good news, the Word, it carries the power within itself, you don’t need to con anyone into obedience.”
“His goodness is beyond anything we’ve understood.”
"Regarding Romans 5 “As in Adam all die, so in Christ, all will be made alive, and it’s the best most beautiful news.”
“That sloppy universalism that just says ‘Oh God feels great about everybody and it doesn’t matter what you do.” It leaves everybody feeling empty because we all know something is really wrong with humanity and really wrong with me and my neighbor. I think scripture reveals that, yeah, were half made, were not finished yet. God is gonna destroy what is evil and create what’s good and you’re observing your own creation in Christ Jesus. And in the end, absolutely everything is a gift of your Father and you can’t even begin to comprehend how much He delights in you.”

[@jimbroome4906]

LOVE Peter's heart/spirit; this is quite liberating for my pharisee self!!!

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

He is such a relational fella who can walk us through all the Greek - love this man!

[@stevenrivard9246]

​@JasonClarkIS-youtube I noticed multiple times throughout this wonderful conversation that people made reference to God the Father calling us to His FAMILY. Honest question that I've been struggling with / working out: - If there is our Heavenly Father representing FATHER in this ETERNAL FAMILY that humans are being called to; - And Jesus obviously represents our Heavenly Father's CHILD in this ETERNAL FAMILY that we humans are called into covenant relationship with (Adoption language + marriage type language); - Then why does no one ever seem to make a connection with the Holy (set apart) Spirit as the MOTHER of this ETERNAL FAMILY which humans are called to? Are believers not "born" spiritually OF the Holy Spirit? Last time I checked, it is females who produce life and give birth with some type of contribution from a male. (Please DON'T think that I am claiming the Holy Spirit has physical lady parts) Is it not obvious that the Holy Spirit is none other than the "Lady Wisdom" of Proverbs?" ... Or am I off my rocker? Is not Wisdom vindicated by all HER children? (Luke 7:35)

[@Rose-bw7to]

Had to listen to this twice because it was so good!!! ❤️

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I've listened a few times myself, and I was in the conversation haha!

[@Rose-bw7to]

@@JasonClarkIS-youtube Ha ha! ❤️ Now I need to listen again with a notebook! You can’t expect lines like “You are not depraved you are just depraved of your ability to choose the good” to go un-journaled! So so healing! ☺️ Thank you for your tireless work of communicating the relentless love of God!

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

@@Rose-bw7to wow! Yeah, that quote is profoundly transformative in our thinking!

[@jontyubbink1598]

Great language, Peter.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Gotta have Peter back on too!

[@jontyubbink1598]

The lake of fire is where someone's dead works gets burned off as they pass through the flames. Paul says, "you yourself will be saved as one passing through the flames." You either go through the fires of his discipline in this life, or the fires of his discipline in the afterlife. Some people can only get saved after going through the second death. Then God can be all in all.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

It sure is beautiful how the delusion of separation is being exposed and along with it, the lie of a retributive hell!

[@SecretsInTheSecretPlace]

I've been studying the "lake of fire." It seems as though it is a refiners crucible with a touchstone "torment" and sulfur. These were used to check for impurities in metallurgy. So it seems to be saying you will be tested for purity day and night in the age of ages.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Love these thoughts! What of love never controls but is measureless and will walk through every delusion (fire) of separation so we might return or rediscover ourselves in Him!

[@TheSpadre]

30:00 My brother-in-law and I were having a very similar discussion at lunch today. His language was in terms of Ying and Yang, but the essence of the discussion was the same. Good stuff. 40:00 This is too strange. My BIL and I also discussed new discoveries in physics and what that means in relationship to God.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I loved that whole time and space conversation. It's so insightful into the nature of measureless love.

[@TheSpadre]

Loved this one. I love how relatable Peter is.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Yeah, easy to talk to and brilliant.

[@tomtregaskis4398]

Hey thanks Derek and Jason. A common phrase these days (for other reasons) is coming out of the closet. Thank you for being brave enough, (or in love enough), to do that. I am still in my infancy regarding these thoughts and a common question is, “how did we get this so wrong ?” Enjoying His unconditional love more and more.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Thanks for sharing Tom. Not sure how we got it wrong but when I get it wrong it's because of fear or pain. I'm so thankful unconditional love casts out fear and heals! Honored to be on the journey with you!

[@bobbyfields7359]

What a real and awesome guy!

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I know, right!?! Loved this conversation!

[@avisatkins5438]

Very healing

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

That's so good to read :)

[@TorrinCooper]

Great interview!!

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Thanks, Peter is amazing - brilliant, kind and wise. Loved this conversation and thankful he can approach this subject with grace.

[@MattisWell.20]

It’s not that we’re depraved of doing any good. It’s that our capacity to do good has yet to awaken or is still in the process of fully awakening. In fact, the pursuit of goodness is the fruit of turning toward our childlike innocence. What does that say about children? Depravity is ultimately an illusion. In Christ-who is what truly makes us human-we lack no good thing.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

"...the pursuit of goodness is the fruit of turning toward our childlike innocence." Love that!!

[@jontyubbink1598]

For God to dangle you over hell untill you behave, is against him building you through belief. After all, doesn't Paul say in Galations "after starting in the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by behaving." Getting you to behave to keep you out of hell, is against his love language, which is belief, not behavior.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Love the Galatians tie-in - so true!

[@tdf7701]

💔💗🎉🎉🎉

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Nice!

[@racheladkins6060]

There’s a video on KZbin about George McDonlds writing, especially his fantasy fiction where the subject of the word of God is brought up and it’s not tied down to one thing, but to many things, a mystical experience, an encounter with God that is in a different in-between space, the narrator talks about dreams and dreaming as being that in between space between the physical world and the spirit world, hence fairy tale is as much useful in Christianity, far too often Christianity thinks it’s demonic but they read c.s Lewis and Tolkien now George McDonald is one guy who’s work needs exploration in art and film.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I couldn't agree more!! Would love to translate McDonald to film.

[@EdifyFM]

You really didn’t need to monetise this video - so freaking annoying to skip stupid ads- what’s your deal with doing that ?!?

[@AG-nu8ix]

Does anybody know of any theologian that teaches the Oneness Universalism instead of in the Trinity beliefs ?

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I'm not sure I am familiar.

[@solitarypawn5076]

I was wondering if God's love is also just that demands punishment of the wicked who have rejected Him throughout their lives. My question is that God's love must be holy, is it not? If God's love is not holy, we have a slushy kind of love that is made up by rationalizing God's love as incapable of punishing evil. See John 3:36 Is God holy? Is God just in all that He does? So, God because of His holy nature must punish sin on eternal creatures that rejected His love, His grace, and His salvation. Tell me where I am going wrong.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Sin is what punishes - To me, God's holiness is revealed in the sovereignty of God in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, not counting our sins against us.

[@sharongood8257]

What does Holy mean besides set apart. God is LOVE. It’s so hard to believe he’s so good that he would actually save everyone, we need someone to be punished, why is that? Anything that comes from God is an extension, by-product, fruit of him (LOVE)so even wrath of God is love, remember God is an all consuming fire he will from love consume anything that hurts us and keeps us from knowing and being who we are. I’ve been where you are and I just kept asking the Holy Spirit to help me know the Truth, when I got free from 50 years of bad theology oh man, I know God is Good . I wish you freedom.

[@gab31282]

Isn't that the reason that God sent Jesus to pay with his life for mankind, proving that God's love is not slushy. The salvation of the everyone in world will come with pain, but it will come nonetheless.

[@jamesearl389]

Do you know that sin is a debt to the law and that Fathers law defines the punishments for sin? I bet you understand that Passover is about leaving Egypt but ALSO is getting saved……the blood of the lamb applies to the doorpost of your HEART. Then I challenge you to understand the greatest celebration commanded in Gods law: the jubilee. NO debt (sin) can remain outstanding FOREVER. NO slave (to sin and death) can remain enslaved forever. The jubilee will set ALL free. Leviticus 25:54

[@racheladkins6060]

Jason what kind of artist are you?

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I'm a writer, but music is my first love - jasonclarkis.bandcamp.com/music

[@therealfain]

Gods law does not allow for endless punishment, the law places a limit on every punishment. It is based on restitution, restoring your victim to where they were before, and ensuring you learn what it is like to have that taken from you. AND if you are still in debt to the law in the year of the jubilee, you are set free regardless your debt to the law. We often think of creation as following the sabbath, with a 1000 year sabbath rest the Bible once calls the millennium. But a sabbath cycle is not where things restart. There are 7 cycles of 7, 49 years, then the year of the jubilee where every debt is forgiven and every slave set free. Our God does not break His own law, because that very thing would mean He has sinned. He is making man in His image and he won’t fail. He has sworn by His name, every tongue will swear allegiance! The last enemy to be defeated is death. Maybe it is at that point that creation has its jubilee and time itself is no more, leaving all of the creation restored in eternity.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I am leaning into the idea that all creation is awakening to restoration - amen.

[@danielcartwright8868]

Calivinist universalism makes little more sense than Calvinism qua Calvinism. The ending is happier, but you still have God predetermining all kinds of horrific evil just so that He can 'redeem' the evil (that He caused) for His own 'glory' (I'm not sure what's so glorious about cleaning up your own mess.)

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I love Peter's non-controlling view of Gods nature. I think it's a refreshing perspective in light of the Calvinistic lens of sovereign control. There are brilliant theologians out there (Baxter Kruger, Brad Jersak, Peter Hiett) who could better address the subject of universalism but I don't have links to their content. That said, I wrote a little on the subject a couple years back - if your curios. afamilystory.org/2019/10/why-i-am-not-a-universalist/

[@racheladkins6060]

There was NO Calvin or Arminian and Luther in the first century church, more of a crisis management because most of the people in the newly formed reformation churches filled with Roman Catholics fed up with paying indulgences to buy there way out of purgatory. Rome recapitulated the first century family relational communities of brothers and sisters holding all things in common, there was no us and them no pastor behaving like a man-in-charge at the front “lording it over” the congregation. Jesus taught us how church should be, church is a direct opposite to that but based on how Rome hijacked it and created the model we have had for thousands of years, in direct violation to Jesus teaching.

[@racheladkins6060]

I don’t like Calvinism.

[@racheladkins6060]

What? You’re a Calvinist ?

[@joshblahnamehere2308]

All will be saved. Want proof? 1corinthians 15:22-23 For as in Adam ALL are dying, likewise in Christ shall ALL be made alive. But to each in the own order. See that first "ALL"? yeah, that sets the precedence for the following "ALL". Do you believe that first "ALL" is indeed everyone? Well so is the next "ALL". No one is going to be tortured for all of eternity. God is not going to lose one of his creations. There is an order to things, and God has a reason for bringing this truth to the rest later. All of christendom teaches MANY lies. Like what death is, free will, eternal torture, and other lies.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

LOVE IT! Whenever I'm asked if I'm a universalist I ask if ALL are in Adam then we're ALL universalists :) That gets the ball rolling haha

[@joshblahnamehere2308]

@@JasonClarkIS-youtube Right on man!

[@racheladkins6060]

Tacos are not that big a deal, not in the U.K.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Thats sad haha, you'll have to visit North America, they are a big deal here :)

[@racheladkins6060]

I wanted to visit America after I met Michael Sweet from Stryper when he came to the U.K. at a Christian Metal weekend with his then wife and children, that was in the mid nineties, then I got a little older completed my university education, 911 happened and America invaded another country and America scared me, so I was struggling with gender Dysphoria , I got on to the internet and found out how horrible Puritan gun toting violent religious was America. I will wait until America calms down.

[@flowerQueen2796]

Hell is very real

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Yes, it is. But maybe how we've understood it-in light of how Jesus revealed what God is like-needs to be rethought.

[@tylerjohnson1352]

In the end there are still sinners outside the gates… Why can’t anyone totally rebel and hate God? Why can’t God allow people to go to hell by their own blatant rebellion? Is it gods will to save everyone? Of course yes but not all goes according to Gods desires. Why does God restoring all things have to include hell when Scripture isn’t clear about it?

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

I don't know about God restoring hell, but God reconciling the world to Himself not counting our sins against us is a measureless revelation that, by faith through grace, I am growing in. I'd rather live in the mystery of Jesus reconciling all things than in the mystery of Adam damning all things. If all are lost in Adam, how much more so are all found in Christ. Or as Paul put it, "For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!" Romans 5:17 Bless, ya, man!

[@b.larson3151]

Peter is on target.

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Loved this convo!

[@hanniehiemstra6656]

Thank you again, beautiful

[@JasonClarkIS-youtube]

Thank you. Blessings.