Peter Hitchens: Brexit, The Labour Party, Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray

Peter Hitchens and I discuss Brexit, Europe, Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, nationalisation and licenses. Enjoy.
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[@AcademicAgent]

I greatly enjoyed this!! Well done Mark.

[@NoName-mg2yj]

How dare you be so nice to mark! 😂😂😂

[@bunkerbill]

Call him a minion. I dare you.

[@AcademicAgent]

Bunker Bill lol always

[@yington]

The Academic Agent Prove you enjoyed it, using mathematics I expect reference to Ito’s Lemma, & the Minsky Moment Good luck !

[@filgwn9204]

Someone's hacked AA's account.

[@generaljackripper666]

Imagine spending your entire life watching everything you know and love being destroyed by the people you used to hang out with, then forty years later the most common question asked of you is, "Why do you seem so sad?"

[@byroncudworth6918]

Peter Hitchens and Roger Scruton are great voices for actual conservatives in the UK, glad you could interview him. Great video!

[@jasoncoleridge5872]

First camera-angle looks like a police interview room.

[@thewrastler]

Doing the washing up on a Sunday night watching Peter Hitchens wondering why I'm single

[@sebastianbooth5659]

Nowadays, men who actually think about something are not attractive to the young, default leftist, selfish, trend slaving, virtue signalling deluded modern young woman

[@thewrastler]

@@sebastianbooth5659 woah woah woah.... Did you just make a gender assumption? :P

[@sebastianbooth5659]

@@thewrastler I made a gross generalization about young women. Obviously not all young woman are actually like that, just as not all men think about that much. Increasingly now the young women I meet fit my above description unfortunately.

[@thewrastler]

@@sebastianbooth5659 I had meant your assumption that I am male. Either way it just shows how many fiddly words the are these days... Yes it sounds like we're both looking for slinky young leftist girls in all the wrong places.

[@Matmus]

Well if you want out a little more Louis... lol

[@bendover6087]

Peter has the extraordinary ability to make the other person in the conversation not realise if he's being a twat or whether he's joking. I love it lol

[@wulfherecyning1282]

He shares that with his departed brother. Whilst the two were often in disagreement about many topics, they both had a wondrous ability to speak in a way that makes you want to listen, leaving you unsure if they're being facetious or serious.

[@moodyenglishman]

I was there the day Mark uploaded a Peter Hitchens interview. ABSOLUTELY MORAL.

[@hornitojones4592]

5 mins in, really enjoying this NSO, good job on asking Peter more interesting questions than most

[@Dominic-fd2wz]

>Drinking water instead of a pint of whole milk Absolutely immoral!

[@arcuscotangens]

The sheer virility this man exudes is simply staggering!

[@lukejames769]

Sooth Sayer hilarious reply. 😂

[@ericschaap]

Peter is one of the few enlightened people, worthwhile to be listened and given heed to.

[@cconsul2061]

Well done on the interview, more interesting than most, hope it's the first of many more to come.

[@adambritain5774]

"Have you had that misfortune?" "No, unfortunately not" "Well try and keep away" Utterly hilarious and he's not even trying to be. Genuinely believe PH will be held in a similar regard to Chesterton in just a few short decades. The man is on another planet.

[@KyleOfTheNorth]

Yay! Been looking forward to this.

[@ChemicalOly]

Good job mate! I've been looking forward to this all week!

[@binarysurfer5066]

Great interview NSO and will be boosting this as much as I can to folks, nice work.

[@Hinchsta]

Well done, great interview. Peter Hitchens cracks me up every time.

[@vjab1108]

Most people that VOTED to Leave the EU have been wanting to do so FOR YEARS.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Only for the last 10. Since the effects of mass immigration became visible.

[@chrisbingley]

@@cockoffgewgle4993 Many of us have been anti-EU since the mid 90s, when they started crippling our agricultural and fishing industries.

[@adamlane9815]

Glad to see everything went ahead fine with the interview! Was more like a Rubin style conversation, which I liked, letting the interviewee speak for themselves and get their thoughts ordered instead of constantly interrupting. Conversation interviews tend to be far more informational, at least for me. Edit: After more viewing, you did tend to stick to your questions, you often waited for him to finish so you could ask the next one. Although I can understand this so you can get through all the questions, it may be better to have less questions but explore more deeply. Still fantastic though!

[@Cinemadamenic]

I enjoyed listening to this very much - thank you.

[@fergal2424]

Haha Peter is a tough man to interview, no bullshit

[@deborahrobertson8606]

Thank you for this. I enjoyed it. More please.

[@Doubledig]

'Was that a joke making me say that again?'

[@bravingsirens2804]

Congrats on landing the interview! I'm sure it was both nerve wracking and rewarding. Maybe try to work out the interviewee's answers prior to the conversation so you can push back and get them to expound on their ideas. Good job. I hope to see more interviews!

[@canopus101]

I'm glad to see 'nerve wracking' correctly spelt, with a 'W'. A small point but pleasing nonetheless.

[@teamcoalhapcharcoal]

You don't need to be familiar with somebody's work to ask 'why' and listen. It's that simple - but agree, good chat!

[@maximuslollius6147]

Well done Mark! Quite the catch and very well executed

[@bunkerbill]

Well done. You're not quite such a minion anymore.

[@bonesaw2628]

Well done Mark, refreshing interview

[@Matmus]

Well done mark, really interesting conversation between two interesting people.

[@uncletomcobley6950]

Very much enjoyed this. Great Work.

[@9eleven1877]

Congrats on the interview minion mark, brilliance in video format.

[@jamiehelmore2870]

Glad you didn’t just follow the conventional pattern of a Hitchens interview. Really enjoyed this, cheers Mark.

[@yington]

Jamie Helmore What’s the conventional pattern?

[@jamiehelmore2870]

Standard, just asking him about his Marxist/Leninist past, conversion to conservatism and Anglicanism. He gets asked this all the time, so it’s nice to hear him answer some different and nuanced questions.

[@yington]

Jamie Helmore Yeh fair enough He gets very awkward when talking about his religion. He is very embarrassed by it.

[@yington]

Tyrion lannister Prove it using mathematics

[@yington]

Tyrion lannister It’s simple - prove using mathematics your statement I expect reference to Ito’s Lemma, or the Minsky Moment Good luck!

[@randomicus4782]

well done, would enjoy again

[@Dominic-fd2wz]

Thanks Mark, very cool!

[@Christian---]

Maybe you need to teach Sargon a thing or two about audio

[@GB-oo2mt]

Well you got that right.

[@Toglos]

it's better but not synq'd

[@clangerbasher]

James and Carl both have versions of that interview with better audio now.

[@sorsocksfake]

The new reality TV about new media: Boomer Wars!

[@mirvids5036]

The sound levels vary too much as Peter moves about and it is out of sync.

[@MetaphysicalBlade]

His voice was less like a sharp dog whistle this time, must be Marks spooky Sassanach Magic at work. Great interview tbh my dude, keep it up.

[@Greef246]

First video ive seen of yours. Neat

[@yington]

When Hitchens says what is wrong with Norway? From 2016-2017, he was against this option, for the same reason that other brexiteers are. Read his columns from then. It’s extremely embarrassing for him, as he now portrays his position as if he’s been *for* the Norway option the whole time. Actually, it looks like his friend Christopher Booker warned him that leaving the single market has big repercussions. And he changed his mind. *fine*. Changing mind is good. But he cannot wave his hands around saying “what’s wrong with the Norway option, why don’t people like it?” When he KNOWS why, because it was his exact position for years. It’s frustrating to watch.

[@quentinnewark2745]

yington he pats aside “trade”, like it’s beneath him, Norway can’t negotiate its own trade deals, but has to get EFTA to do that on its behalf, and trades under those terms. Also EFTA has free movement, I very much doubt the good people of the UK would see continued free flow of Euro folk (many more wishing to come to the UK than wish to go to Norway), and constrained trade, as leaving the EU. It’s a non starter.

[@littlehandsgivescovfefe4837]

Quentin Newark it seems more reason to dismiss, his somehow ‘stoic and consistent’ stance that he presented in the interview.

[@yington]

poison and shite Well said , and agreed. He’s just looking to be different, craves to be listened to , and frankly was so in the shadow of his brother than it still drives what he is like now.

[@shellykennedy5427]

Excellent interview.

[@adherentofladycolumbia725]

Great job Mark!

[@FuturamaFan2010]

I love how much like a schoolboy mark looks like in this interview. He's taking in every word of professor Hitchens 😂 Seriously though well done Mark getting this interview

[@TheMemesofDestruction]

Well done Mate!

[@DocHolidayX]

Good job mate!

[@ThatsMrFrank]

Subbed, great interview.

[@timestealer9152]

Great interview Mark. Wish it could have been longer and touched on some more controversial topics, but a very enjoyable watch nonetheless.

[@MinecrafterMooshroom]

Never seen your content before, and I probably won't stick around for the majority of it. However, I quite enjoyed the interview and bonus clip.

[@joshlcaudill]

I suspect that I have found myself in a predicament familiar to fans of Peter’s brother Christopher. I loved Christopher even though I disagreed fervently with many of his conclusions he arrived at. In absence of Christopher’s presence I find satisfaction in listening to Peter, with whom I agree on many more topics, but I find myself hearing what I imagine Christopher’s rebuttals to be. Their respective informed resoluteness and supreme fearlessness, so eloquently externalized, vis a vis their stances regarding any given topic have elevated whatever intelligence I might possess. RIP Christopher May God Bless his family, friends and fans.

[@maguirefire3190]

Wow that's brilliant, looking forward to Peter Hitchens Vs Jordan Peterson!!!!!

[@jameshazelwood9433]

Hitchens would hammer Peterson any day of the week

[@commodoresixfour1323]

@Sooth Sayer If he disagrees (which happens alot) he does so with good reason and that is because he thinks carefully about matters. Many people accuse him of being a contrarian, which he despises. It's just that many people really don't think and simply follow learnt concepts and assume they have arrived at those conclusions off their own bat. So when he is in constantly disagreement with people they assume he is doing it for the sake of it or for his own ego. The fact that he may take some pleasure in doing so is neither here nor there. I understand the common perception of him in that way but I honestly believe if there was an idea that he hadn't thought of and it was perfectly logical I think he would graciously take it on board. When he talks about Peterson's book in disparaging terms and admits that he has studied it, it doesn't surprise me. Hitchens isn't the first person to say that Peterson's work lacks real substance and is abstract. It would be an interesting debate to observe and I think even if the two didn't come out it, any wiser for the encounter, I think it would be extremely fascinating for the observer. I would love to see an hour long discussion with those two.

[@commodoresixfour1323]

@Foggy's Friend Yes you do have a point there.

[@commodoresixfour1323]

@Sooth Sayer He commented on one book that he didn't get, that is all. He praised Douglas Murray's book and doesn't Murray share many of the same opinions and ideas (except maybe religion) that Peterson espouses? If he doesn't value Peterson's book why does he have to regard Peterson in a way you would prefer?

[@NorthSon]

Foggy's Friend Peter’s bitterness is a shame but I must admit having read two of Jordan’s books and a good few of Peters Peter is the considerably better writer

[@robertpeston6692]

Peter is still one of the best journalists in England, and obviously he has the huge advantage of being the sibling to one of the most powerful polemicists in the 20-21st C - Christoper Hitchens. It does give him significant leeway and he can get away with faults in logic because we all know he is well educated, well experienced (jobs) and he has lived a long and fruitful life for an academic, then a journalist and finally as a pundit for politics, it's better to listen to him than others yes, I often just put this on while I'm having a coffee, better than junk radio or pseudo-polemic entertainers I call them ;)

[@robertpeston6692]

George Galloway is, by a long stretch, the greatest orator and debater from the UK. He is always 100% on the mark, and his handling of hostile opponents is both fair and just - he's a star.

[@GNeuman]

Fantastic intellect.

[@Liv1ngTheDream]

Tracking off a bit, like Mr. Hitchens tie. Could have watched another hour or two, great stuff!

[@merciansupremacy5113]

He’s a funny old thing, but always interesting to listen to.

[@hypnotechno]

A pleasant interview. PH always a pleasure to listen to whether you agree with him or not. Not sure why he got flustered with the interviewer's use of "equity". It seemed perfectly correct in the context. Can anyone explain?

[@TruckerJenkins82]

Brilliant discussion

[@vashna3799]

Don’t always agree with P Hitchens but he’s a brilliant independent voice in British politics and a decent man.

[@ThatCrimeGuy]

Take note Sargon - this is how you produce an interview!

[@JS-zy6pw]

Great job

[@JoeWhittakerNutritionist]

Good video

[@RULERofSTARS]

Spread the word far and wide, brothers and sisters: From this day henceforth it is immoral to do up the top button of your blue collar or any other colour collar! *cheering voices in the background*

[@davey1602]

Of course, a skewed tie is simply a fashion statement ;)

[@Dominic-fd2wz]

I really wish this had been much much longer

[@garywhiterow]

had to close my eyes and listen. i kept trying to reach into the screen to straighten peters tie

[@craigbanks9532]

Thank goodness for Hitchens.

[@Turgon92]

This must be the first time i see Peter smiling

[@JosephPardyMusic]

chad whole milk, virgin semi-skimmed

[@Red__Law]

"Wretched white water"

[@Taporeee]

Joe Pardy Music Tim Farron btfo

[@ReachForTheSky]

prison milk

[@fergal2424]

Haha he gets this comment in in so many different interviews

[@athulfgeirsson]

All pasteurised (read: destroyed) milk is virgin milk. Raw milk is chad milk

[@lastof6646]

Brilliant video nso, but what happnd to the third biscuit question?

[@shipaskof8371]

Spot on re nationalisation of certain things.

[@Jubilo1]

"Hacked his way through a fog bank with a cutlass," ha-ha- great quote.

[@Taporeee]

Absolutely moral

[@sdrchannel576]

Yes! Finally someone has seen through Jordan Peterson 😄

[@gofmjhhytgr2129]

Hitchens writes for the Daily Mail (on Sunday) that almost had an aneurysm when May's treasonous Brexit proposal was defeated by the biggest majority in parliamentary history... I thoroughly recommend his film, 'This Sceptic Isle' to everyone, but recently it seems, he too has had an aneurysm.

[@djunior874]

I would pay a lot for that book with Hitchens' notes.

[@NiceAtheist]

Nice! :D

[@stevefrompolaca2403]

Mr Hitchins is referring to bojo and govey baby, the reason is naked political ambition.

[@wednesdaynightbusiness6296]

Interviewer fundamentally outclassed by interviewee. Many such cases!

[@babbaruff1045]

Loving the dishevelled tie situation 😊

[@deedee9053]

Peter Hitchens , has slowly become my hero from zero over the last couple of years.

[@Dabhach1]

"My favourite method of doing anything is to destroy the Conservative Party". I like his way of thinking.

[@Myndir]

I agree with Hitchens on Brexit. Sovereignty is the most crucial issue. Extricating ourselves on trade and immigration is best done as you should extricate yourself from a loud pub: one step at a time and with (confident) respect towards the people around you.

[@williambunter3311]

Very interesting! Oh for another Edmund Burke!

[@simmo1024]

Top work matey. keep it up! Looking forward tot he Douglas Murray interview :). Comments On the EU: The reason for the 'extreme' view on the leave side is directly related to the lack of acceptance of the result of the referendum on the remain side. By losing the argument, but still pushing to stay in the EU, the only possible opposition to this is to argue for the 'extreme' no deal option - otherwise, the centre position (e.g. ultimate compromise position) shifts closer to remain. When one side refuses to give ground, the only way to maintain balance is to be uncompromising in the other direction. So moderate leavers HAVE to become hard-line Brexiteers. On Porn Licencing: Hitchins says there is no rational argument against CP - this is incorrect. the argument is that children are not fully developed human beings - neither physically, emotionally or rationally, and involvement in sexual activity is proven to have a detrimental effect on their wellbeing and health for the entirety of their lives. In short, kids need to be protected until they can be functioning adults or they will be broken adults. On Privatization: Wow, I guess that response from Hitchens wasn't entirely unexpected, though I have to say misses the point of privatisation - keeping govt out of running things (which they do very badly). Where I'd agree is that foreign ownership of essential utilities is a very dubious idea. Other than that though, govts should regulate, not 'do'. Incidentally, having watched closely the Blair govt go from wanting diversified energy production, through to foreign-built nuclear plants (and the further narrowing down of the options since 2010) I despair at even basic competence of policy, let alone regulation and action, on the part of govts. On the third Biscuit: Well, you NEARLY managed to ask it...

[@NotSoObvious]

The third biscuit is coning separately ;)

[@sorsocksfake]

On extremism: it's worth noting that one can be firm without being extremist. One says "these are the lines, that's what we will do, and we'll not respect attempts to subvert that"; the other says "We're right and anyone who disagrees with us is a bad person!" (the latter usually in rather less polite terms) On CP: the argument however seems to end at CP production, which obviously is a capital crime. Yet works that don't involve actual children (e.g. cartoons or artificial 3d renderings) have no such issue. We'd generally still oppose that though... generally through an argument that amounts to degeneracy. Privatization: I do think govt might take a stronger position there. Probably the best of both worlds is that govt decides exactly what the company should achieve, and private companies can bid for the contract. Should they fail the contract (with some margin or error, of course), there'll be consequences. Simple privatization does not work however if there is an effective monopoly. For instance with railways, using infrastructure that can't reasonably be duplicated nor easily shared.

[@simmo1024]

@@sorsocksfake I don't disagree with your position on Brexit, it is rather more subtle than mine, but essentially what I am suggesting is slightly different - that is a push in one direction necessitates a push in the opposite to keep the keel even. As we know, left-wing extremists create right-wing extremists (I would say the opposite is also true, but I haven't observed that in recent times), and hardened remoaners create hardened brexiteers (and I would count myself in the hardened brexiteer camp for that reason). On CP, I think my position is probably more liberal - I really don't care if someone wants to masturbate to anime, since that is not real, I am only interested in preventing creation and dissemination of CP (and child molestation in general) when real kids are being used to produce it. There is plenty of consensual degeneracy around already, and that is no one's business but the people involved - and the same is true for waifu-wanks. Even if there is evidence that anime is a gateway to CP (but somehow I doubt that, except in rare cases), I would still not ban anime version - it is akin to arguing that sometimes people shoot other people in video games, therefore, there should be no guns for anyone. Yes I know we live in the UK and we don't have anime porn or guns or indeed licence free porn at all, and I don't doubt they'll get to computer games in due course too, but hey-ho.

[@simmo1024]

@Foggy's Friend I agree entirely, but everyone knows the ultimate outcome will be a kludge. Once we are 'out', hopefully in April, we will be in a position to start the slow disentanglement, but alas, I think it is going to be like having a shave by pulling out one hair at a time.

[@mistahsusan2650]

a bit of constructive critism i have is that around 20:00 you were introducing a lot of new terms to the conversation without really defining them first. it seems to me that hitchens could've added more before you gave your take. i may be wrong though.

[@mistahsusan2650]

still a good interview though.

[@SP-pn7xx]

3 biscuits into this interview

[@crackmastergeneral]

You was truly privileged to recieve a partial grilling at the hands of Peter Hitchins. Think before you change gear next time.

[@JanSobieski3rdSiegeDefiler]

The way he whistles S's is blowing out my ear drums.

[@hypnotechno]

"xxxx" of eduction has been bad. Could not hear the first word. Can anybody help??

[@MasterofPuppetsx]

I thoroughly enjoyed this. You started off very strongly (first question was great), but by the end began to flounder a bit jumping from topic to topic (which happens if the answers take you by surprise). I creased when he described himself as having hacked his way through Jordan Peterson with a cutlass

[@crossley941]

Great

[@wilius1428]

Where is the third biscuit question?

[@wilius1428]

@Philip yeah

[@trollop_7]

Not quite Starling vs Lecter, but similar levels of fearful deference on show ... understandably.

[@maguirefire3190]

Only criticism, nothing on the third biscuit!

[@thejedsterYT]

I too am disappointed about this.

[@SteveBrookfieldmusic]

Really great interview. you need to buy a clacker board or give yourself a clap point because your audio and video are not in sync.

[@xavierpaquin]

34:58 is where he talks about Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray

[@WreckItRolfe]

The main problem with the EU argument is that all* the pro-remain arguments relate to trade - something we had before 1993.

[@Rootle2]

32:41 35:07 best put-downs ever haha

[@vulkanofnocturne]

You kinda look like Chivan* from Caspian report.

[@prospero0586]

Change has been misconstrued as a virtue by progressives. Change doesn’t occur as a singular event as it creates ripples that alter many other things in a cascade; and this sequence is what routinely appears to surprise progressives, they never seem to anticipate the negative consequences of change for change’s sake. The lack of consequential preparation is why they exist from crisis to crisis, that ALWAYS demands more ‘change’. I agree with the power of positive pessimism. It IS a ward against misery. Interesting interview and insight into the nature of how Hitchens converses on topics. His beliefs may be different, but he reminds me a great deal of his brother.

[@conrad1on]

Maybe I'm just going deaf, but Peter Hitchens often talks in a tone so low I can scarcely understand him.

[@Toglos]

audio isn't synqd

[@design7054]

Get Hitchens and Peterson together for a 3 hour chat!

[@FiveLiver]

He was a EU ‘secessionist’ (and imagined himself almost unique in this), but wants a Norway style Brexit, but, bizarrely, has no sympathy for those who have come round to his views on the EU. It was the referendum that achieved Brexit (in theory) but he doesn’t like referenda, and was against there being one because of the “danger” of the public vote being in contradiction to the views of career politicians (not that he’s actually in favour of democracy anyway). He thinks Brexit could have been achieved without a referendum by destroying the Conservative Party. His ideas are deeply unbalanced; too much thought has gone into high ideals, and much less on practical reality. I find myself agreeing with him one second and thinking ‘what the fack are you talking about?’ the next.

[@quentinnewark2745]

Teriek Williams “the proper process of exiting the EU would be to elect a government with a manifesto plan to do so” - which is what happened. Both Tories and Labour’s manifestos “promised” leaving the EU. (Although who these days believes manifestos oblige anyone.) Brexit was never going to be easy, the complexity of our relationship with the EU ensures that - we are European, with the deepest of ties, we want trade, we want co-operation, but we want legal and legislative sovereignty, our people want to control who comes through immigration, we want our own currency... some of these things conflict. There is no easy call on how all this can be reconciled. Both main parties are hopelessly split. Understandably.

[@FiveLiver]

@@teriekwilliams2828 - Let's stop the autism. To the leadership of the three main parties there was nothing left to discuss regarding membership of the EU, to them it was not an issue, it was decided. The sovereignty of the people was over exported to Brussels permanently. For Hitchens to imagine that the establishment elite who had given away sovereignty would voluntary bring it back it is autistic. There was no chance whatsoever of a UK govt having a policy of Brexiting the EU without a referendum telling them to. The ever increasing number of votes UKIP was receiving in the EU elections was a message to the establishment that their views were not universally shared, and the referendum proved this definitively in a way no other method could. Some issues are beyond the scope of the party political cycle and Hitchens ought to know that. His contributions are vain, and his ultimate intention is chaos.

[@sorsocksfake]

@@FiveLiver I'm not sure how that relates to autism. I don't object to the word being used playfully, even scornfully, but I do object to using it as a generic, meaningless insult. We got plenty of words for that without personally insulting half of internet culture ;). That said: the referendum itself wasn't about a mandate, it was about an excuse. The tories hoped to get an excuse for Bremaining, specifically, while getting UKIP off their necks. Solid manoeuvre, except they slightly misunderstood what they were dealing with. And now are caught between a rock and a hard place. The deeper issue is that there are two rots: the EU, and the UK govt itself. Hitch preferred to first solve the govt, which would allow a proper Brexit. Brexiteers may argue that there's no reforming the govt while you're under the EU yoke. A catch-22.

[@FiveLiver]

@@sorsocksfake - I understand your objections, but I mean it in the clinical sense. His unbending adherence to what he sees as the ‘rules’: “you can’t do that even if it’s beneficial because…”, “you can’t behave like that, however gratifying, because I don’t like hypocrisy”. He cannot see the big picture. He doesn’t understand that the game is about power, not following outmoded and irrelevant rules and codes (‘proper Brexit’?). There’s no rock and hard place - these are remainer fictions to make Brexit seem impossible. We are in a death struggle to preserve our heritage and national sovereignty. Politicians who want to remain in the EU are traitors, and they have no regard for any rules.

[@samblake874]

10/10