Peter Hitchens: Expansion of EU to blame for aggressive Russia

Peter Hitchens says Russia is a “hugely” diminished country, which has given up hundreds of thousands of square miles in Central Europe and Central Asia.
Speaking to talkRADIO’s Mike Graham the columnist said: “The policy of the German nations in Central Europe since the end of the 19th century was to try and destabilise Russian rule in the Ukraine…certainly the European Union in my view has been the continuation of Germany by others means.”

[@david-joeklotz9558]

As usual absolutely EXCELLENT commentary. The Mike Graham - Peter Hitchens 20 minutes each Monday is always a highlight of the week

[@gavinmillar7519]

Don't forget Neil Oliver also!

[@terencefield3204]

creep

[@gavinmillar7519]

@@terencefield3204 crawl

[@barriejackson3294]

"The EU has for many years been a continuation of Germany by other means" - how absolutely accurate. Thank you Peter!

[@PennyBloater]

His KZbin lecture on this is superb

[@barriejackson3294]

@@PennyBloater Have you got the link for that lecture?

[@benbirch2393]

He should've further denoted - East Germany

[@teamcoalhapcharcoal]

Why is this accurate? Can you summarise?

[@63Baggies]

We didn't need him to tell us that, just look out of your window and observe just how many strudelwagens are on the road. We rolled over and had our tummy tickled DECADES ago.

[@mistyday2969]

Thank you for having Peter Hitchens on your show.

[@jaycam2886]

he is a Puppet!!!!

[@gunternetzer9621]

@@jaycam2886 Peter is a modern day prophet and 'the prophet is never accepted in his own country'.

[@klnine]

And nothing to do with the fact that Nato has moved to Russia's boarders on all sides

[@MichaelJones-fo9nl]

Excellent discussion. One learns so much from listening to Peter, who always has an objective view.

[@pottypranks8628]

Oh ..one certainly does

[@jasonjudd3810]

Except when his view becomes SUBjective .. for example on Vaccines .

[@michaeljones151]

@Sypha Flowen Yes. I don't like Russia, but my point is - Peter's knowledge and views makes one think about a different viewpoint, rather than the usual MSM propaganda!

[@paulhevan322]

Ukraine is to big for Russia to let go. If EU wants to try and bring it to club EU. Let them try. We should stay out of this one, after the Syria debacle.🙄

[@sirjemalmet849]

Yes stay out like you stayed out when Russia occupied Baltic states.

[@jedw]

I've long thought this. Thankyou Peter, very articulately argued. It's a shame so many are afraid of thinking, and would rather smear those who say anything they don't immediately like.

[@paulalaye6428]

Monday means Peter Hitchens with the infamous Mike Graham, yippee!!!!!!

[@ravenmusic6392]

Let's not forget that in 2014 the EU commision openly supported a violent and illegal government change in Ukraine, and encouraged them to join the EU after they rejected a trade deal with them. That's how much of this started.

[@1346crecy]

Absolutely right!!!!

[@kurtisprice3418]

Putin is using it as a pretext to reacquisition the lands of the former USSR. The EU is working to benefit Russia [and China] in secrecy.

[@billsticker]

The original spat between Russia and the Ukraine began over Ukrainian officials skimming pipeline gas revenues and not paying Russia for the gas used. Then Donetsk had that 2014 'referendum' and seceded from Ukraine over the regime change and the local seceding militias asked the Russians for assistance. Thus NATO got involved because the EU wanted Russia's gas. Had the Ukrainians ponyed up the money they owed in 2014 and before we wouldn't be here seven years later.

[@victorshackapopulus6078]

Correct. The way it was portrayed in the U.K. media was that there was overwhelming support from ordinary people when in fact it was payed for goons and mercenaries.

[@kurtisprice3418]

@@billsticker It's all going on. There's financial scheming going on that gives Russia the perfect alibi for its aggressive actions. There's people in the Ukrainian Government who want to gin up a conflict between Ukraine and Russia. And of course there's the Russian expansionists to consider as well.

[@paulhank7967]

I've always thought that EU expansion Including Ukraine was the cause of the Russian invasion in 2014.

[@alexsilent5603]

There was no Russian invasion in 2014.

[@paulhank7967]

@@alexsilent5603 Yes it did. It moved its warships and army into the Crimea region aggressively, and subsequently annexed it.

[@alexsilent5603]

@@paulhank7967 Russia had a military base in Crimea by agreement with Ukraine, so it didn't move anything anywhere. Also there was a democratic referendum monitored by international observers where 98% of the people of Crimea voted to join Russia, so there was no annexation.

[@andyxox4168]

@@alexsilent5603 exactly and that’s why Crimea is not in Ukraine any more 🙄 ... duh 🙄

[@alexsilent5603]

@@andyxox4168 Yes?

[@emmettoliver]

100% agree.. but be careful when you corner a bear

[@sootysrehab3401]

sound advice

[@johncorner9295]

Thanks peter.

[@brendanbehan2289]

Ukraine is an independent state and is entitled to join the EU if invited, they do not want to go back to the old Soviet Union ways and live under a dictatorship. It's up to the people of Ukraine to decide there future, Putin massing troops on there border is intimation.

[@seanmoran6510]

Your conveniently ignoring the overthrow of an elected government by the west.

[@johndixon3987]

Peter hitchens always worth listening to . I look forward to his talks with mike every week.

[@catinthehat906]

The peaceful break up of the USSR was a major political achievement. So the European Commission was very unwise to intrigue with politicians to try and include Ukraine into the EU and it has come as no surprise that this has led to conflict with Russia and destabalised the region.

[@fergalcussen]

The Russia scholar Stephen F. Cohen who died recently wrote an important book on this.

[@crayzmarc]

On the money as always!

[@DS-kd4py]

Putin actually lost his brother in the Leningrad seige; within living memory indeed.

[@kittyfan]

i've always wondered about Americans getting upset that Russian fighters buzz their spy planes and war ships that are in the Black Sea. Wonder what would happen if Russian warships showed up in the Gulf of Mexico?

[@mksensej8701]

Its NATO forces . Russia has a large territory (to Large) and its empire happens to border more than 10 countries only towards Europe side . As long these countries seek alliance in Nato Russia can't do anything it is in their own right. Also nobody puts Russians to muscles up around its neighbors just to show how strong their are .

[@kittyfan]

@@mksensej8701 oh no, it's American spy planes as well...they're BIG in NATO. In some of the papers you sometimes see stories about how outraged the Americans are because Russian fighters have buzzed their spy planes or ships and have come "too close" ....acted in an "unsafe manner" And Biden already has a ship or 2 in the Black Sea...he was sending more, when he changed his mind after a wee chat with Putin. Putin has since announced that the Black Sea is closed. (American papers....we're in Canada but we keep an eye on the neighbour. All the best to you!!

[@mksensej8701]

@@kittyfan UK sent some warships and jets in the region still a Nato member. Putin already has a bad history around in Georgia and Ukraine were they change borders so I don't think he is just using some diesel and fuel because he has to much in stock for an exercise. Russia has some plans in mind and they thing because the Brexit and Pandemic they can use de opportunity to do it again. Anyway they won't let Ukraine go easy without big costs. Also the Ukrainians are to determined to defend themselves and if not helped they might turn in a rough state and that will be bad for all Europe.

[@horatioredgreenblue2130]

This was excellent.

[@RogueWJL]

Points well made as always.

[@michaelfern4079]

It always worries me since hearing Nigel Farage say the EU are desperate for a war with Russia. He doesn’t get everything right but I pay attention and I’m worried.

[@MrBatesieboy]

What has he ever got wrong, then?!

[@mcihs2]

Neither Napoleon Bonaparte, nor the Third Reich managed to conquer Russia, third time lucky.....

[@stevenaleshire7941]

Please ...he so disingenuous .

[@sellingtowinselling3876]

Interesting point,never thought of it like that

[@harrylime8412]

Wise words but we don't live in wise times!

[@aydan0161]

Even if you’re completely ignorant of current events.. you can just TELL this man is talking simple common sense

[@timothyhallett3724]

Peter is right. Many western commentators forget that Leningrad was under siege for 872 days during the war, from 1941 into 1944. More of Leningrad’s citizens died in that siege than the entire British losses, military and civilian of 1939-45. Many Russians felt ashamed that their superpower status was swept away in 1991, and the west should be careful not to encourage the ultra nationalists who would restore the worst of the Soviet era, given half the chance.

[@timothyhallett3724]

@PS2 Silver I agree. They are crony capitalists and fake democrats at the moment. The Russia ‘mafia’ in the 1990s were the businessmen, now they run politics, led by KGB officer, St Petersburg crooks like Putin.

[@AntAdam1]

A pleasure to listen to as usual and ending with comments on what I call Teflon politicians where today it seems, nothing sticks.

[@garethprice7879]

Sense.🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿👍

[@susannamarker2582]

In a UK outside the EU, Holyrood and a scottish FM would have far more clout, because the EU legislation is no longer distorting the legal relationship between Holyrood and Westminster.

[@cheesesandwich1236]

I never met a Pole, Slovak, Slovenian, Hungarian, East German, Czech, Estonian, Finn who wanted their country to be aligned with Russia.

[@body1926]

What about the right of other nations (Czechia,Estonia,Hungary, Latvia,Lithuania,Poland, Slovakia) to choose where they want to belong to?

[@seanmoran6510]

In what way ? Are you saying the EU doesn’t think they have the right to be independent. If so You are correct.

[@daliyunnan]

@@seanmoran6510 Sure, Putin is a lovely guy who will give freedom to all.

[@0utlawjase1]

Oh dear

[@terryreknaw6152]

Meanwhile here in the UKCCP Sir Kneel Starmer has entered a pub without the consent of the landlord who gave him a grilling outside his pub. Why did Starmer enter the pub?

[@iantaylor620]

I've thought long and hard about your question. And the conclusion I've came to is because it's one rule for us and a totally different rule for those cretins from Westminster. It just shows they think they can take a stroll amongst the general public after supporting a government taking people's livelihoods and businesses away from them without even realising the anger and hatred we have for these people. It's about time they all realise they are elected to represent us and work for us not to rule us and take away our basic rights and freedoms that I will add were fought for.

[@simongaines7347]

For a photo op with a proletarian pint and to show be's really 'one of us'.Thankfully the landlord recognised the halfwit and told him a few home truths before kicking him out.

[@CedarRoofsOnly]

Christopher Hitchens is 800 times smarter! R.I.P. LEGEND.

[@punejemja1183]

Odd segment, the EU does not force anyone to join, countries apply, they don't have to do so. Same for NATO. What we have here, is a classic example of why-we-need-to-understand-Russia's-paranoia. What Mr Hitchens is essentially saying is Ukraine's sovereignty should be conditional on Russia's approval. Odd point of view

[@talktv]

Is the EU to blame for an aggressive Russia?

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

As much as a despise the EU I'd say Putin (for trying to salami slice Ukraine) and possibly Biden (who seemed to want to pick a fight with Russia as soon as he was in office) are more to blame than they are. Though I would say the EU hasn't helped - forcing Ukraine to choose between joining the EU customs union and the Russian one, rather than offering them a non-exclusive tariff-free trade deal, was designed to divide the country. This seems to have happened - Western Ukraine is desperate to escape Russian domination and Eastern Ukraine is desperate to escape Western Ukrainian domination. No one seems to have any sort of strategic vision that doesn't risk a disastrous war. And the worst thing about it all is that China is a much more serious long-term threat than Russia is. A US POTUS with vision would attempt a reverse Nixon goes to China move - try to find some modus vivendi with Russia in order to put China off balance a bit. The way things are going the West is going to have to confront Russia grabbing Eastern Ukraine and China grabbing Taiwan at the same time.

[@sirjemalmet849]

I am an Estonian. Russia is always aggressive EU or not EU, Russian Empire or Soviet Union.

[@BlyatimirPootin]

No

[@sirjemalmet849]

@Paul Adams Responsible of what? Do you know what it is to live in the country what is occupied by Russia? My country was.

[@anthonybartlett6924]

@Paul Adams did you miss the bit where he wrote he is estonian

[@heatleynoble]

No more brother wars

[@gordonlinton3555]

The whole Russia nonsense is a global power thing. The basis of the Magnitsky act, which is constantly used to put sanctions on Russia are very questionable. Firstly documentary maker Andrei Nekrasov's film 'The Magnitski Act-behind the scenes' started as a story of Russian brutality but became something that questioned Browders story, who stopped co-operating when to many questions were asked. Then Der Speigel

[@gordonlinton3555]

Then Der Speigel won the German media watchdog hearing which Browder had brought to validate their scepticism of the story. And if you can find the Browder interrogation in the USA AND the investigating officer's verification process online you will hang your head in despair.

[@surajitgoswami1871]

I was surprised as well to see how close the Germans had come to Moscow Kremlin. Safety == Without Danger (in Russian) is completely understandable.

[@DieFlabbergast]

It's the same in Polish and Czech. Hitchens should stop talking about language: he knows nothing about it.

[@arthurlamy5535]

WTF. I'd say the fact that we were born is to blame for aggressive Russia. If we weren't around there would be no Russian aggression. If anything, Russian aggression supports the notion of EU enlargement. Otherwise small countries on their outskirts would be even more vulnerable to Russian meddling. Nobody is threatening Russia and no sane westerner would like to invade Russia. Putin's regime is afraid of prosperity and rule of law on it's doorstep - thats it. This absolute English misunderstanding of EU's purpose and inner workings has become quite tiring now. And one more point: Russia has given up territories!!!!WTF???? Central European countries were never Russia nor Soviet union. And Baltics were invaded and stolen from their people by USSR.

[@bradfordpal]

Same question applies to the Lookout Mountain Laboratory, run by the U.S. Air Force, which officially just processed footage of nuclear bomb tests, while in fact it had an advanced research and development department that was on the cutting edge of new film technologies. E.g. 3-D effects were apparently first developed there and Hollywood luminaries like John Ford, Jimmy Stewart, Ronald Reagan, Bing Crosby, Walt Disney and Marilyn Monroe were given clearance to work at the facility on undisclosed projects. The facility retained as many as 250 producers, directors, technicians, editors, animators, etc., both civilian and military, all with top security clearances - and all reporting to work in a secluded corner of Laurel Canyon. The existence of the facility remained unknown to the general public until the early 1990s. See Dave McGovan's "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon". It's all just one big show.

[@petermorrison7454]

Time for all to storm the Bastille ????

[@noodlyappendage6729]

The expansion of NATO yes but I wouldn’t say the EU.

[@mickyday2008]

Interesting

[@davidbanner9001]

Should we not be more concerned about the UK and not this nonsense?

[@markws5952]

Maybe missing the point, if they had won I can't imagine they would would care what your point was

[@Rustsamurai1]

It's pretty obvious. (Even) Poland ought to know this.

[@Sybaris100]

Absolutely correct.

[@carlgreene538]

Russia is not being aggressive they are being defensive. It's N.A.T.O that is to blame.

[@babrady5075]

I wish to apologise for apologising for apologising for apologising for some thing I might do when I am kicking up daisies

[@sonofsomerset1695]

How dare Russia have it's country next to all the new EU military bases!

[@steve5123456789]

Peters looking pretty rough, looks like he's aged 10 years this past year.

[@garysymons3930]

There seemed to quite an echo when Peter spoke., but yes I fully blame the EU for its handling of Ukraine by its invitation to join the EU , and this is the cause of international tensions , while the euro is the cause of internal tensions in Europe . It is the EU that is the cause of the disequilibrium in Europe and its borderlands .

[@andrewstorm8240]

Lazy point

[@BroodofLoki]

an excellent segment indeed. Peter is an eloquent iconoclast and I am very grateful that there are still writers and observers like him in the media. The weekly segment with Mike is a real treat.

[@ernestmartel5180]

He's a coward who surrendered to the vaccine.

[@sauermaischeyahoo7834]

David Cameron, when prime minister, and hence a senior member of the European Council (the EU's policy making body) made a speech in which he expressed his vision of the EU "stretching from the Atlantic to the Urals". Not one other member of the European Council either denounced his words or distanced themselves from them. Thereby did they signal their agreement, or at least their acquiescence, with that vision. Half the land area between the Atlantic and the Urals currently lies within the borders of Russia. I wonder why Mr. Putin is rearming?

[@lesigh1749]

The Eu is also massively undermining NATO, and that emboldens Russia.

[@martinlawton7384]

i miss your brother peter

[@seanmoran6510]

He supported the EU and expansion

[@5tanne5on5ea]

Peter right again!

[@patrikjohansson5939]

Russia has repeatedly defended itself into huge territorial gains since the early 16th century.

[@jwskye1969]

Why would Germany want to agitate Russia,it depends on Russia for its energy needs,all Russia has to do,is cut off its gas supply,and Germany freezes

[@neilchetwood4625]

They wouldn’t because Germany is rich-massive revenue...

[@neontetr4551]

Warsaw Pact wasn’t Soviet Union... just so you know.

[@jwskye1969]

It's the eu fault again,is there anything the eu,hasn't got the blame for

[@leonardgibney2997]

I'm not an EU supporter but surely nobody would see it as a threat to their sovereignty (unless you were a member!)

[@seanmoran6510]

The Lure of what it offers to the uninformed citizens of Russia is the real danger.

[@nemosays6337]

Defensive Russia!

[@nickpapa1721]

I watch these videos with enthusiasm which is then dulled by the appalling view count. Wish this video had 240k views and not 24k (as of writing)

[@jewulo]

Why couldn't a different approach have been taken by Russia? Why did they not ask to join the single market and the EU instead? That would have been more profitable and peaceful for everyone involved would it not? Pardon my woefully displayed ignorance if any.

[@MrTangolizard]

It isn’t though is it Peter Russia has always been aggressive to its neighbours has always had a expansionist view

[@johncee1481]

makes you think, he is correct......

[@tinkytinca]

I got the JibJab so I can visit friends and family abroad! When are you going Shill?

[@steenkigerrider5340]

In turn Russia committed brutal (imperialistic) aggression and invasion on other countries.

[@tomthomas6403]

If only Peter had his own yt channel 😔

[@metalhamster14]

That man looks like Chubby Brown.

[@johnknight8096]

Mr Hitchins, who sold his soul and body for the freedom jab?.......Mr Hitchins "HOWS THAT DOUBLE JABBED FREEDOM FEELING NOW FELLA?"

[@rabburns1382]

Charles & Camilla will save the day....Gawd bless 'em Base / Superstructure Wings Over Scotland | When the kick hits the floor

[@johhny711]

Ukraine is a country, it's not some kind of chess piece that can be pushed around by Russia, it should be up to Ukraine who they want to be aligned with. The IRA were spawned by the British government's inaction to help the Catholics in the 1960's , when loyalist gangs were with the support of the 100% Protestant police force intimidating and murdering Catholics. At that time the British government watched as Catholics were burned out of their houses. Catholics were discriminated against in public housing, Jobs etc and the electoral boundaries were gerrymandered to favour Protestants even in places like Derry were the Catholics were the majority ,Additionally, the right to vote in local government elections was restricted to ratepayers - again favouring Protestants,Catholic areas also received less government investment than their Protestant neighbours,Police harassment, exclusion from public service appointments and other forms of discrimination were factors of daily life.

[@matthewstroud4294]

Anyone who wants to know about Russia should search: Stephen Kotkin. Brilliant history and modern-day analysis and loads of talks on youtube.

[@niamhosullivan5795]

Hitchens was a remainer

[@nickwood2412]

Prince Charles adhoc to world economic forum spells the end for the monarchy

[@vincentcausey8498]

Hitchens is fond of calling Putin a "disgusting dictator" at every opportunity, but when he analyzes the way Russia is being intimidated by the west (the EU and the English speaking nations in particular), he concludes that Putin could be overthrown because he is considered "too soft" by many nationalists, and that a replacement could be a lot worse. Doesn't that sort of contradict his first point? How does a person who is "too soft" become a dictator? Hitchens makes the mistake of attributing the obvious problems of corruption and lack of grass roots democracy as some kind of master plan of Putin, rather that what it is - a country that has only just emerged from centuries of despotic rule. How many middle eastern countries "democratized" by the West have been successful, for example?

[@davidwhitworth5724]

Side show, China the real threat.

[@seanmoran6510]

We have illegal immigration on our border Sorry crossing the border with help 🤦‍♂️

[@bazzatheblue]

I like listening to Peter but rarely think hes right.

[@stevecraine6352]

why does this person never accept comments on his stories in the mail just his opinion

[@brianbanks703]

schools "teaching not education but dogma", absolutely right and sad. Same in universities (in certain US states including Georgia it is actually illegal to criticize Israel and defend Palestine).

[@chriskalsbeek2252]

Blunder? or desired result?

[@philcollins2546]

Britain has become a Monty python sketch "we can take one more wafer thin migrant"

[@kevinharrison4909]

Please pluck the stray grey hair on the right eyebrow it's extremely distracting. Been cleaning my monitor for hours...

[@mksensej8701]

This guy has a selective memory or maybe is ignorant. How big the British empire was before 1940 and how is now when most of the former colonies are independent states and UK does not threaten them . Russia is still an empire today and has not retrieved to its natural border that should look a lot smaller. You are still talking about the biggest countries in the world as surface with territories that they took from neighbors in their expansion ,many of them established countries or people with different cultures and even races . So now because they put their people in these countries for hundreds of years where today they are minorities anyway, they will pretend that they have some rights there being racist somehow because they are Russians. This is pure nationalistic ideology . Their own fear is that they might lose even more , because most of their neighbors are not happy with them and their way of dealing , the reason they are seeking other alliances . Their are practically trapped in their own ideology .

[@larrym12]

why poke the bear ..only a fool

[@philipsmale4721]

😃😃😃

[@javibarcenas5661]

Totally deluded brexiteer It is British and US constant provocation that causes Russia to act aggressive

[@rafaundisputedgoat2024]

Hitchkens isn't a brexiteer lmao, he didn't care whether we remained or left.

[@tonybell7785]

aasange iis in prison in england england is the pits lowest of the low

[@farmerfreakeasy9577]

I'm sorry but the "Golden Horde" has little relevance with regards to Russia's contemporary political policy with regards to the Ukraine. If you're going to mention the Golden Horde then please mention the Holodomor genocide too. Millions died.

[@celticRicky]

EU is the EUSSR They just went from west to east instead of east to west 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@margaretkeegan8087]

Lucifer at work : Read MARX AND THE DEVIL, SATAN AND MARX

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Indeed.

[@benzienugent2010]

Don't be silly. Of course these former satellites of the USSR would want to shore up their defences by forming new alliances.

[@Gooseplan]

There is no need for any kind of defence.

[@zatarawood3588]

@@Gooseplan Apart from the fact that they were occupied and then oppressed by Moscow until about 25 years ago.

[@Gooseplan]

@@zatarawood3588 They were occupied by the USSR and after a war where all of Europe was occupied. Once the Cold War was over, there was zero reason for those occupations to return.

[@junerain6169]

@@Gooseplan Oh... you know nothing about that, Jon Snow...

[@glennfryer1539]

I totally 100% with Peter Hitchins.. he’s right...

[@anomanderrake3593]

NATO Peter it's NATO expansion. Victoria Nuland handing out cookies to Ukrainian soldiers during the coup, saying fuck the EU and discussing about selecting the next president of Ukraine with her fellow state department member.

[@paulgaya5099]

Russia don't own Ukraine. What they decide to do and who the decide to enter a union with is their choice, not Comrade Putin...

[@igorvolk7310]

USA don't own Cuba. What they decide to do and who the decide to enter a union with is their choice, not Mr ...Whoever. Just drawing an analogy with Cuban missile crisis. See the fault in your logic?

[@paulgaya5099]

@@igorvolk7310 the US tried to overthrow the Cuban government in the bay of pigs fiasco and they were wrong then and wrong now. Cuba had every right to ally with whoever they wanted to so no your analogy doesn't hold water.....try a bit harder

[@paulgaya5099]

@M W it stops when the people in whatever country are tired of their elected leaders. Only they have the right to determine who leads them. Don't forget that politians are not our gods or Kings. They work for us and not the other way around...

[@igorvolk7310]

@@paulgaya5099 Unfortunately your idealistic view does not translate in real life.

[@criticalbiker1273]

I’m with Putin on this one.

[@johnscott-kw3bf]

Putin is a bad person.

[@wildbill8175]

Lol, all these morons in the comments thinking Russia is some friendly, benevolent country 🤭🤣🤣 Russia is NOT your friend.

[@criticalbiker1273]

@@johnscott-kw3bf - and everybody else are saints 🤔

[@criticalbiker1273]

@@wildbill8175 Lol and the caring west didn’t drop agent orange on Vietnam. Just saying.