Peter Jackson vs. Amazon | Cavalry Charge Scene

[@Ludd94]

New LOTR vs RoP Battle Comparison video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJS5mXyMer2dmZosi=gDOtk-4Kp_LeOn-z

[@pittland44]

Do it. Make as many as you can. All the videos you do showcase how crappy ROP is compared to the actual Lord of the Rings. You're doing G-ds work son!

[@derschmiddie]

Yes please. Suggestions: Minas Tirith vs. Armenelos/Romenna/Meneltarma... err i mean "that on city in Numenor". or Nazgul vs. Whatever-they-are-supposed-to-be-eminemling.

[@pittland44]

@@derschmiddie The Naz-Gul vs Eminem and the Beastie Boys 😜😜😜

[@christophermichaelclarence6003]

My chillhood the 2003 was obviously better. 5000 Horsemen Cavalry Charging 100000 orcs

[@2ChainZsensai]

Anything about all 9 Fellowship of the Ring cross mountain scene vs any fellowship source or 'epic'introducing scene of it in ROP. My apologize i don't see the damn trash

[@szabok1999]

To those who try to protect RoP by saying it's just a tv show while Return of the King is a movie: RoP had a much higher budget, much higher than the whole trilogy. That isn't an excuse.

[@christophermichaelclarence6003]

LOTR my childhood was made with devoted people, put their souls into it. I can tell and feel the ROP was just for money

[@platgeslagengehaktbal]

Also Rop was made like 20 years later with modern resources

[@koendos3]

​@@platgeslagengehaktbalbad script, and bad writing were the greatest problem for me in ROP. The vfx were absolutely perfect. I think that the writing of a script doesnt depend on if you did it 20years ago, opposed to vfx.

[@platgeslagengehaktbal]

@@koendos3 true, but as this is a cavalry scene comparison it plays a big role. I meant the scene in LotR had mad more characters and wider camera angles, it's a bit underwhelming the scene in RoP seemed (to me at least) smaller and less epic. even though it's made many years later.

[@szabok1999]

@@koendos3 The show also had ridiculously bad armors and other props. Things that looked a thousand times better in a 20 years older trilogy made with much less money. The writing was the worst, I agree, many shots looked really cool, I admit. I'd also like to point out RoP had some really weak acting, especially Galadriel. That actress should not have a leading role in anything.

[@xslonk]

The differences will always be: LOTR was made by an army of skilled and selfless Artists. ROP was commissioned by a lizard and trundled to life by a nameless group of office gremlins.

[@Sirlance3000]

Butal and yet so true.

[@MrTobi013]

Such a beautiful and Shakespearean insult!😂

[@LuzzyMcGuire]

He's Indeed a Lizard... or the human version of Mr. Burns, who knows

[@SockAccount111]

Evil can not create, only destroy

[@bdleo300]

ROP is a parody of LOTR

[@phillipcampbell843]

It is generally agreed that $1 billion was spent on Rings of Power. If we take into account inflation, this would be $587 million in 2002, during the middle of filming of LOTR. The budget of LOTR was $281 million. So, even adjusted for inflation, the budget of ROP was still a whopping 108.8% *higher* than LOTR. Second, LOTR total run time (Extended Editions) is 683 minutes. Total run time of all ROP episodes is approximately 560 minutes across all 8 episodes. This means that "They had to spread the budget out over a bunch of TV episodes" doesn't hold water because the movie is actually *longer* than the show while spending signigicantly less. Third, comparing the run times and using the 2002 dollar valuation, that's $411,420 it cost per minute of LOTR footage, compared to $1,048,214 per minute of ROP footage. So, even adjusted for inflation and broken down by runtime, ROP cost 154.7% per minute to make than LOTR. Whatever way you slice it, Rings of Power spent way more money and managed to do an exceptionally shittier job.

[@amsfountain8792]

Thats not fair. Rings of Power spent most of his budget buying the press and influencers. Real budget must in hundreds of thousands and nothing was spent in the script.

[@NtoTheM]

I mean even Jackson himself couldn't even remotely connect to the glory and perfection that is LotR when he made the Hobbit movies. Some things just happen once in a lifetime. We should be grateful the run lasted for 3 whole movies and didn't stop after 1 or 2.

[@randomvideos786]

​@@NtoTheMThe Hobbit movies are actually great movies.

[@keonster]

@@NtoTheM the problem isn’t that Jackson couldn’t do it, the problem is that he actually wanted to honor to source material. ROP however spat on it.

[@luzifer960]

​​@@keonsterdid he though? I don't feel like the Hobbit movies honoured the source material. If they would, it would have been 2 movies without all the ridiculous shit like dwarf-elf romance, Legolas defying physics even more than in LotR, absurd CGI battles, forced connection to LotR in the Gandalf-Galadriel-Elrond scenes, the barrel scene... Hobbit felt more like a theme park in the movies, drawn out with unneeded scenes, stretched to three movies. While LotR needed to condense the lore into three movies, Hobbit needed to stretch a 200 page book to three movies. That's not honouring the source.

[@keithgoh123]

Amazon: where did all the money go to? our armor looks like shit? Staff: the producers spent most of it on expensive marketing trips.

[@evenstarelectricrailway3281]

No. All money went to SB.

[@Ze_Internet_Man]

@@evenstarelectricrailway3281 I should have known the Sackville Bagginses were behind this.

[@ReidGarwin]

Peter Jackson's Rohan charge is so damn full of color and life, the music and acting is powerful, it honestly gave me chills first, then when i saw the comparison to Amazon's bland dark lifelessness and generic soldiers i cried at what a gift the original Jackson trilogy is.

[@dflaming1371]

Ironically, the Jackson music made the RoP scene a little better

[@joel4212]

Im sure you have, but if you havent, find the video where Tolkien actually narrates it while the scene unfolds.

[@donidoni-of9kk]

Джаксьн е почитател на Толкин .Режисиорите на амазон дори не знаят кой е Толкин

[@KadenHartley]

Stop. It's so bland, bleak, and boring. Rings or power actually brings so much color to the atmosphere and doesn't wanna make you sleep with the boring conversations.

[@MadlySevered]

The Rohan charge is something i watch 1 time per month, and i have a Lord of the rings triology watch 1 time per year. Its honestly the best movies ever made if you ask me. The rings of power shit is so bad i forgot they even had the chains in their "charge". But i remember i was watching youtube on my second monitor when i tortured my way thru RoP :P

[@jankaifer6797]

You can't compare one of the gratest moments of cinema with some random tv show that is illegal

[@istoppedcaring6209]

ttrue except that tv show has a billion dollar budget which is greater than all three movies combined, it's absolutely atrocious

[@alexanderhowarth6460]

@@Sirlance3000 I don't like ROP, at all, but this is a ridiculous thing to say. There are more hours to the tv show, and there's been two decades of inflation since Return of the King was released.

[@Sirlance3000]

@@alexanderhowarth6460 Fair

[@alexanderhowarth6460]

@@Sirlance3000 if they had made a skirmish half as dramatic as the battle of Pelannor fields that would've just been a totally different kind of failure. Yes, the show is shit but the criticisms I'm still seeing levelled at it by chronically online butthurt manbabies are fucking pathetic

[@normie2716]

@@alexanderhowarth6460 Even adjusting for inflation, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, as in all three movies combined used half the budget of the first season of Rings of Power. And there's been twenty years of improvement to technology in the mean time. The _"it's just a TV show"_ bit doesn't fly.

[@sims2lovealot]

I tear up every single time I hear the theme of Rohan as they begin their charge. One of the greatest scenes in any movie in history. Then there's RoP...

[@Ludd94]

Quality vs Shite

[@Tuhoeterra]

The score paired with Bernard hills performance is magical. He looked nervous in the canter but by the final charge he is fully committed, best battle scene in cinema.

[@Ludd94]

@@Tuhoeterra 100%

[@territmoderitmo9190]

RiP

[@diosdadojrlubiano7674]

DEATH !!!!

[@YouAreMeWho]

"Courage, Merry, courage for our friends" love this line

[@Sam__The__Slayer]

Arise Riders Of Theoden.... Death..... Death....

[@hadderlyeguia8787]

“Forth Eorlingas”

[@Nikole1010]

❤

[@RoseKB22]

The three LotR books were written by a man who lived through the trenches of WWI and was a college professor during WWII. He knew what real war looks like, he lived through it, so he knew how to write a war. He also knew how to write strong, well rounded characters. He also had studied medieval European folklore and ancient languages and was a linguist himself. Everything Tolkein wrote was painstakingly thought through. RoP is a hasty fanfiction, with the backing of a huge company that limits itself to only doing things a certain way. I'm glad the Tolkein estate didn't grant Amazon the rights to the Silmarillion, or any of the full books for that matter.

[@bloodytemplar6999]

The Silmarillion is one of my favourite books to this day

[@joel4212]

I would have been so upset if they did. This is at best a fan fiction disaster.

[@Godkingtrump]

Dirty rumours going round saying amazon got the rights not to long ago

[@JeyC_]

@@Godkingtrump Tolkien estate today have gone woke. All they care now is money. They waited for Christopher Tolkien to pass away cause they know he wouldnt have let the sale for the rights to begin with

[@MCshadr217]

@@Godkingtrump With Christopher gone, I wouldn't be surprised anymore, a large portion of the Tolkien estate are greedy fuckers. Christopher kept it all in check.

[@lukasweiter5473]

the fact that they ordered a cavalry charge into a village still bafles me to this day

[@ElFeN69WoLf]

Pretty sure you can recreate a higher quality charge into a village in mount and blade:warband

[@jedward8747]

Yeah im puzzled why would they show a cavalry charge on first scene then on the next it became a village where the cavalry enters on a formation used for travelling lmao.

[@theEpicxY]

orcs didnt think to make a spear wall at the choke point. haha must be those stone age neandertalistic orcs@@jedward8747

[@bradgrundy512]

To be fair in Lotr they charged 50ft elephants lol

[@theEpicxY]

very. your cav works best on open fields. and the fields of pelenor benefit cavalry. hiding behind walls just puts you in a war of attrition. i sure gondor didnt have uch food. now add around 500 men and horses. they would starve@@JohnDoe-il4dz

[@Ironboundturtle]

It's incredible how LoTR animation STILL holds up in animation quality for the Oliphaunts and overall scale, over 20 years later.

[@pupusaslordking5617]

yes they are still really believable imo

[@MetalSmith]

I think a large part of it was that they had some ridiculous amount of actual horsemen in the LotR movies (2,000 volunteer extra riders came out?).

[@Hypnothlorien]

the animations of RoP are really bad. look at the blood lmau

[@mulattoman]

Yea they tried to hire literally every single person capable of riding a horse on a film set in NZ, a ton of the riders were women dressed as men (ratio of horse riding guys is much smaller than horse riding girls everywhere) given they wanted to hire as many as possible so they could get as wide a establishing shot without using CGI. @@MetalSmith

[@rasmuswastaken8798]

Youre wrong. They werent animated. Pete went to the southlands and tamed those beasts himself

[@ZelZarKi]

LOTR is like a home made chocolate cake from scratch, everything grown in a greenhouse owned by the baker, who is your great grandmother. When you bite into it, you don't ever forget how delicious it is, but it also serves a the core to many other memories, like snuggling with your great grandma by the fire as a little kid and remembering the stories your great grandpa used to tell you before they both passed away. RoP is like a store bought cupcake that's falling apart from how dry it is, when you bite it your regret spending your money and spit it out because it's not worth the sugar it's made out of. You get the feeling it might cause you cancer if you swallow. LOTR is a window into our cultures past. ROP is a window into a college grads world view, which is nothing more than a polluted modern city.

[@anonymousstacker2044]

perfect analogy. 🧁

[@JesterJ10000]

The problem with cavalry charges post lord of the rings, is that while cavalry charges are generally cool, what truly makes them epic is not that they charge, but why they charge.

[@brutyfruity]

damn, not even a billion dollars can solve that, with modern technology...

[@pennclick]

And who they’re charging

[@westrim]

And in this scene, they're charging at absolutely nothing. They don't know what lies ahead. They don't know that any fight is underway. They just know that the region is in danger. The "charge" is completely disconnected. This is before getting into realism issues on how sprinting like that affects the horses and the sheer travel distance and so forth.

[@pulkitsingh6707]

bro cracked the matrix

[@aaroniousairlines9087]

​@@westrim I was thinking that too with the distance they were covering while going full speed

[@jasv49]

How a show with the largest budget in history can have costumes worse than a student project is beyond me

[@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen]

I think the worst part is that they were too scared to just put some water on the horse to make it look cut instead of zooming into barely functioning cgi.

[@SuperZura91]

This is what I don't get either. I initially thought the TV series had a pretty bad budget, so they were too poor to get costumes done. But after reading around it seems they had quite a bit of budget, so how do you have all that money and make these costumes. Use fucking CGI if you need to, do anything bro, but please fix the fucking costumes. It's breaking the feel of the series.

[@PabloMejía-k7f]

But at least representation and antiracism and wamen

[@aselliofacchio]

Money laundering

[@hippios]

@@PabloMejía-k7f this show singlehandedly made me the most racist man alive

[@willowandluka5302]

I get teary eyed every time I watch the charge of the Rohirrim. It’s one of the most beautiful pieces of cinema ever.

[@ericnawamusic]

DEATHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@KEROVSKI_]

Me to brother, me to.

[@MegaJuniorJones]

Truly is

[@presidion11guy32]

When I read the novels in high school, the 2 scenes that always stuck with me was the Balrog and the charge of the Rohirrim. When I first heard there was going to be a LotR movie I was really upset. I knew they would screw it up, they would never have the ability to make it believable. Years later they released a teaser video and I was stunned. I called my wife into the room to have her watch it. I remember saying something to the effect, "I never thought they would have the special effects to properly pull off a LotR movie, but now they do!" The movies did not disappoint.

[@DrunkenShellback]

Dilly dilly mate🥲

[@Inkling777]

We should not forget that, in addition to Peter Jackson and the actors we know well, there were many thousands of unnamed New Zealanders who played a crucial role in making LOTR the great epic it was. That includes who made the costumes, built the sets, and participated as extras. They also deserve our thanks.

[@MemoristCed]

Hear hear!

[@anonymousstacker2044]

And the kiwi horseriders as well! (many of whom were women who put in the effort of wearing facial hair prosthetics)

[@benjaminthibieroz4155]

Charges apart, let's compare the attitude of both leaders during those: - Theoden: face a gigantic sea of orcs as far as the eye can see yet act nonetheless. Give clear and concise tactical instructions to his lieutenants to organize the charge. Take time to raise the spirit of troops with a glorious speech that is necessary to balance the odds. Charge along the others while being shown later to constantly remain aware of the cavalry progression and giving orders. - Galadriel: charge forward without caring for anyone to get all the kills of her own against orcs who are barely armed and at a tenth of their own numbers. Yet somehow Galadriel is supposed to be 100 times older than Theoden and the wise commander of elven armies...

[@Legoman775]

they made her stupid in the show i swear...

[@Imblu95]

Also the FKing stupid ass "flashy omg she is so good dodges" are so INFURIATING, WHAT IS ARMOR FOR?!!!!

[@Sedevecaustic]

@benjaminthibieroz4155 NO!!! She is beautiful and brave😥 A strong independent woman! All hail

[@Mikalent]

Hell, in the *ACTUAL* lore of Lord of the Rings, Galadriel never actually fought on the battlefield. She was a master diplomat, convincing the Elves of the first age to stand against Morloth, Sauron's predecessor and lord, she convinced and forged the Alliance of Humans against the Kingdom of Argnor. Then, again, she forged the alliance of men and elves to battle Sauron, even convincing the Dwarves to assault Saurons orcs in the mountains to allow the Humans and elves to muster their full armies. She was the architect of the alliance of Numonorians and Gondorians, and when Numenor sank, she helped spirit away the last of the pure Numenorians. In the third age, she was the one who helped convince the elves to march to the defence of Helms Deep. She may not have been on the battlefield, but she was still one of the most imporantant characters in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, unlike Amazon's Rings of Power.

[@DanDanDoe]

And Theoden looked scared at times, or at the very least worried. That gave it weight. It was death or glory, and everyone seemed well aware of that. Still, it was glorious when the charge succeeded and broke the orcs. Then the horns of the enemy sounded, and the entire mood changed. Nonetheless , the music was glorious and there was some optimism among the Rohirim. And then the two sides clash, horses get trampled, and the music stops abruptly. It suddenly feels like Gondor may still fall, despite Rohan’s aid. Nobody is safe and it’s a fight for survival for both the men on the ground and the archers in the towers. The RoP scene felt like it was just another Tuesday for those troops. No emotional weight, just mopping up some orcs that seemed pretty willing to die for no reason. The leaders aren’t leading, there’s just some “cool” shots of main characters killing orcs and a tiny bit of exposition.

[@englishlady9797]

Elendil was a warrior so formidable that he and Gil-Galad literally duelled with and bought down Sauron in the Battle of Barad-Dur. Elendil as Tolkien wrote him would be more like a taller and stronger version of Aragorn: he should be a phenomenal and all but unstoppable fighter and Orcs would be no match for him. Amazon made him so useless that he gets pullled off his horse by a single orc and has to be rescued by Sauron. Disgrace.

[@milk_n_bikkies6345]

That was Elendil! What an insult!

[@zayedbinimran957]

Rescued by sauron?

[@englishlady9797]

@@zayedbinimran957 Spoiler alert: Halbrand is Sauron.

[@zayedbinimran957]

@@englishlady9797 oh

[@marda0maranwe]

Cause it's fanfiction , which was written by Sauron . He made himself as a sort of martyr, misunderstood antihero and everyone else as arrogant, rude or simple minded. He was angry at Celebrimbor , so he made him incompetent at his craft , Elendil and Gil-galad killed him so he made one narrow minded and the other irresponsible commander and weak fighter. But Galadriel took the brunt of it .

[@Ryan-cf7bf]

My favorite part was how in the Silmarillion, the Numenorian army was so terrifyingly large and powerful, that Sauron instantly surrendered when they walked up to his door, and when they sailed on Valinor, Eru himself intervened to wipe them out. And in RoP, the numenorian army is like 200 dudes and 5 ships.

[@menalikechildren8836]

Hahah

[@jaceyking47]

Imagine what the world would look like if we got a _proper_ Silmarillion adaptation. I don't think we humans would be prepared for it. That's probably why we got Rings of Prime instead.

[@felixdittrich5469]

​@@jaceyking47that honestly sounds like the fantasy version of the famous 12h dune movie that never became realised but still incredibly influential in sci fi. From... Jodorowsky?

[@mirceazaharia2094]

​@@felixdittrich5469 Yeah, that's the name.

[@felixdittrich5469]

@@mirceazaharia2094 wonderful, ty.

[@alexwhite4079]

That horn before the charge in LoTR always sends shivers down my spine.

[@ComedyBros5]

Them horns in LoTR always send chills. Perfectly utilized and placed!

[@anonymousstacker2044]

Amazingly personalized and detailed ones too. As if each horn-blower was holding the horn that their great -grandfather used in battle before them and passed down the family generations...

[@FrizFroz]

The music and stakes rightly made up for much of the grandeur of the Charge of the Rohirrim, but one thing I want to point out is how Theoden's (Bernard Hill's) delivery inspired the other actors and stuntsmen, like a true leader of Men. There is an interview you can find on YT on the making of the scene. To quote the riders: "He (Bernard Hill) generated enough enthusiasm and power that we thought we were really doing it. And when he called for the charge and we're calling 'Death! Death! Death!' That felt definite. There was an overwhelming surge of energy and we were allowed to gallop these horses as fast as we could. 200 horses just charging... It was not hard to get caught up in the moment."

[@Ludd94]

And then come Amazon with their 75 horses to save the village of 14 people from the attacking 45 orcs. Very exciting stuff.

[@kingleech16]

@@Ludd94 I think that scale isn’t the problem. There are plenty of great cinematic battles with smaller, even tiny forces. If Rings of Power had done a great scene of a single squadron, heck even a section, I would have given them their due, as painful as that may have been. As it was, I felt more during Arthur’s post-recovery ride in Excalibur than I ever did in RoP, and that force was small (and it wasn’t even a charge!).

[@ragnarok6521]

@@kingleech16 Could also mention the final stand in the 13th warrior or the final run on the cliffside in the last of the mohicans, both small numbers but epic scenes in their own right.

[@kingleech16]

@@ragnarok6521 Oooh, I forgot about Last of the Mohicans, good reference.

[@ReinoldFZ]

​@LudvigW I am sure they were trying to save the tavern 🍺 🙄

[@bigfluff73]

Nothing is more immersion breaking than every important character inexplicably not wearing a helmet while otherwise fully armoured.

[@joshdoldersum9132]

Idk, for me it's worse when the entire scene halts so that two characters can have a moment of intimate eye contact and a curt nod while in the middle of a group of enemies hell-bent on killing them.

[@stevenpawlak6969]

I came here to say the same thing. It's like they thought you wouldn't be able to have a main character wear a Hemet and be recognizable. I suppose this is what happens when you have people who don't know anything about armor, history, lord of the rings or basic story telling make a LOTR show. Bonus points for chainmail coifs being used as protection from the cold

[@DaFun4U]

And dismounting from horse or stopping to melee in a charge

[@tom_tom_k98]

or not wearing gloves for protection at 3:47 this dude holds the blade with his bare hands.. wtf???

[@tiveqcriarcontanova]

@@joshdoldersum9132 this one can work sometimes. example: battle in front of the gates of mordor, Return of the King. Gandalf stops fighting to acknowledge a moth, which signals the arrival of the eagles. there are also the multiple cases in which Gimli and Legolas are counting their kills and talking to one another, but that case works within what was establishes in LotR. If they decided to do it in RoP it wouldn't work because there was no buildup to it or a reason to do it (Gimli and Legolas growing from animosity to friendly rivals and finally, at the end, friends).

[@zanxu3918]

Notice in the movie they are moving from a trot into a full gallop where in the tv show they’re just galloping into nothing. Those horse will be dead on their feet before they actually encounter anything.

[@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen]

Hey, they didn't get it wrong. Those horses do just stand there in the middle of a horde of orcs doing absolutely jack.

[@hueytlatoani1177]

Remember that "dumb and dumber" were the sreenwriters.

[@zerase84]

Dude they were rushing to save the people.

[@SaintFort]

​@@zerase84Exactly.

[@jacobwagner8984]

@@zerase84 right but they rode the horses full speed for an entire day and still somehow were able to charge into battle with them. That's the point being made. They'd be dead tired and unable to withstand a fight

[@FrederikSeerupNielsen]

1:18 the look here alone shows so much. Sadness, fear and determination at the same time. Him knowing that he is riding to his death but also that it must be done.

[@Tayfalool1]

His fear is not for himself, Theoden is not afraid of death. He is afraid for the life of his men.

[@AgeDrain]

Imagine what Peter Jackson could’ve done with that budget. We could’ve had invented a machine that made ring mail so the poor bloke who made rings non stop could’ve kept his sanity.

[@sigmaoctantis4706]

They could just have reused the previous chainmail - would just need to get the NZ army to loan it back 🤠🤠🤠

[@Reubixvk1]

And his fingerprints

[@philipelandt]

With this Budged they could have made both Edoras and Minas Tirith even greater. Fields all arounds the capitals etc. I don't even know what else quality wise could be improved without being a D. about it.

[@benjamintaucan4955]

He would have done 9 movies and an entire sub plot with Merry and Pippin's elf girlfriends. And Boromir still alive at the end

[@sickjuicysjamshack3580]

Meanwhile there are leaked shots on the internet showing that a lot of the Numenorean armor for the extras is actually just a fish scale pattern printed on a T-shirt

[@ArchangelTyrael]

Dont’t forget that the Numenorian cavalry just appeared out of nowhere. One moment you see a scene with a map learning it would take days to arrive. And then randomly they appear out of thin air to save the town. In the Return of the King you actually see the muster of Rohan. It starts with the lighting of the beacon by Pippin. Then it goes to Edoras where the muster starts. You learn how long they have to gather the army (2 days). Then it goes to Dunharrow where you learn the size of the army(6000) and what Rohan is capable of (12000). Then they arrive at the Pellenor fields. And you have the most epic speech and cavalry charge scene ever with absolutely perfect music. They even included a small part of the strategy and how the army approached the enemy. Plus panning shots to see the vast scale of everything. And then they even cut the paths of the Drúadan.

[@partyboi8773]

Yeah, I mean, in RoP the battle is happening literally on an entirely different continent, so a) they'd have no way of knowing it was happening in the first place, b) they wouldn't know where the battle was occurring when they arrived on the shores of Middle-Earth, and c) the odds of happening to arrive in the nick of time to save the day, after crossing a whole entire ocean and riding for 100+ miles, is more like parody or a bad joke than a good dramatic scene. In LOTR we know the Riders' numbers, we know the challenges they faced in mustering the troops, we saw the beacons lit and thus how they know what's happening and the urgency of it (as well as other forms of intelligence they've received). As for the RoP setup, an 11-year-old Dungeon Master who tried to pass off this plotting for a D&D session would be laughed out of the room by their players.

[@wumpusrat]

The Middle Earth of Rings of Power feels like a small neighborhood rather than a world. There's no sense of any real distance or the passage of time. The trip from Numenor to Middle Earth is roughly 2900km according to Tolkien. Yet they get all their ships packed, launched, sail to Middle Earth, unload, mount up, and ride across 200km of land in roughly a day. Because apparently in all of the southlands there are a total of around 30 people in two villages.

[@JohnDoe-il4dz]

...and then they did one of the dumbest things in LOTR movies and charged against mumakils.

[@dieweissehand]

@@JohnDoe-il4dzoh, cool you noticed it, however it is still an interesting scene. You see the fear in the faces of the Rohirrim, they never before have seen mumakils, so Theoden does the only thing before they probably start to run away, he orders to form the line and charge. And that's your point and mine: a tactical mistake, but the only way to fight the Rohirrim seem to know, and against orcs it is an advantage, but against mumakils no chance, the Haradrin just say 'hold our beer'

[@cassiopeia3573]

​@@JohnDoe-il4dz it will make no more sense if the Rohan already know how to fight mumakils because its their first encounter with them. They charge the way they always do as a Cavalry, but in the end they find out how to fight them. Soldier is learning from every battle they fought, not by theory.

[@inigomontoya8943]

“Build me a franchise worthy of Mordor.”

[@Himbeertoni89]

😂

[@teminternetemmordor7178]

Dude, even Mordor don't want this trash.

[@siddus-ct8ec]

@@teminternetemmordor7178 i feel you gothmog, i would be pretty pissed too if some amazon guys came and defamed my whole company

[@IStealButterdToast]

@@teminternetemmordor7178this is the official account for all of Mordor I see

[@AlexAlex-zt3hi]

Ruin me a franchise worthy! Bezzos the Rainbow, probably.

[@owenxu905]

20 years later and Peter Jackson’s films still hold up beautifully…

[@FirstLast-qw7gh]

"And so the kingdom of Gondor sank into ruin, the line of kings failed, the white tree withered and the rule of Gondor was given over to lesser men..." RoP is like that. A film made in a ruined age, given over to lesser men

[@teresaa96289]

Perfect!

[@pageachatter229]

The charge of the Rohirrim is regarded by many to be one of the greatest, if not *the* greatest, cavalry charge in the history of cinema. And rightly so. Even watching it now, two decades after the original release, I still feel the epic weight of the scene. The suspense, the adrenaline, the thrill, it's all there. Rings of Power not only fails to capture even a fraction of that energy, but it also fails in even slightly grasping what makes people love this story so much.

[@Ludd94]

Well said.

[@malkav_ils]

What is facinating about that scene is that it still holds the same tension and emotion even if you watch it separately from the whole movie, just on its own. Even without all the buildup of tension and drama preceding that charge - you still feel the weight of it. It's absolutely genious how they did it.

[@rio20d]

I was there in the cinema watching the charge, cant imagine its been like 20 years ago more or less , I still remember the reaction of audience in the movie theatre was epic, as I watched the Rohirrim charged , with thousands horses galloping to break Mordor lines.

[@bdleo300]

ROP failed in everything.... there is not a single thing they made better or even equal.

[@noLuckyStrike09]

I wish they would rerun these movies once a year in cinemas@@rio20d

[@d34dsYnt4x]

Even the Faramir cavalry charge in RotK or horse vs warg cavalry clash in TTT were much better

[@the_doomed_buffoon6378]

That scene made me realize that Rohan was going to be my favorite

[@dxnielastbury8767]

In all fairness it was only a minor battle in the first season compared to literally the penultimate battle of the series, not really a fair comparison

[@fabienherry6690]

@@dxnielastbury8767 I mean we could compare with the helm scene would still not be a good comparaison we could compare with the warg attack it would still not hold up !

[@lVideoWatcherl]

@@dxnielastbury8767 Pick any fight scene in LotR where at least a small contingent of military fighters takes part in. Any single one, and compare it to RoP - composition, coreography, scene, emotion, tension, costumes, plot, story, music, acting, what have you. I doubt RoP can compete with a _single_ one of those factors in _any_ fight/battle scene in a comparison to LotR. It's a shoddily made cashgrab.

[@BellaCahill]

The Faramir cavalry charge was almost better than the Rohirrim charging. The odds were probably better, but they had 0 hope.

[@Albanus35]

All hail King Théoden! We'll never forget you, ride in peace Mr. Bernard Hill.

[@pierrepaa29]

Galadriel in RoP was described as great leader, strong and respected, but throughout the series she was just short fuse and self-centered elf,, while King Theoden post freed from saruman simply showing us "how to be king 101".

[@Rucka_Inc.]

Throughout this video I kept thinking to myself, "Can you go back to the Return of the King battle please?"

[@abbeylg3060]

Yeah the same😂 That ROTP kept interrupting amazing movie

[@GameRavens]

It's honestly kinda disrespectful to Peter Jackson to even compare the two tbh. It's like comparing rotting eggs to a medium rare steak.

[@fromthecheapseats7126]

LOTR: It’s like you’re beef jerky and I’m filet mignon. ROP: I like both those things! LOTR: I’m going to start beating you now. I don’t know when I’ll stop.

[@AdmiralStoicRum]

Now I'm hungry

[@KhomAsian]

TRUE. Respect Sir Peter Jackson, LOTR is legend.

[@jffry890]

>medium rare Burnt*

[@Chocolatnave123]

medium rare implies it's left half baked, the trilogy is the perfect, well-done steak

[@samiam.402]

All the production quality in the world, a billion dollars, and CGI, can't beat a good well-written story.

[@freebasher]

The guy at 3:16 jumping off his horse to tackle an orc had me dead 🤣🤣 The fuck were they thinking???

[@Sklb]

Like what the fucking fuck was that.

[@sirflapfla97]

"ah yes i have every single advantage conceivable against the orcs, let me jump off to even the playing field" WHY???????

[@zachari0]

or the orc attacking his friend. striking the same way over and over and over...@@sirflapfla97

[@kristoffermaurer9689]

It's like comparing writing made by adults and writing made by teenagers. The showrunners IQ is really bleeding through the whole TV-series. I mean that as a bad thing.

[@ti8ick_Husband]

haha totally. And its not that we cant get a proper fight scene too. Where do they hire these losers?

[@kenjikune2565]

To this day the Mumakil showing up & giving Theoden that "you've gotta be fucking kidding me" look still gives me chills. Such a fantastic battle.

[@Faus4us_Official]

I see "This is the day I die." on his face followed by him saying "Reform the Line!".

[@alkristopher]

And then he charges them anyway.

[@Faus4us_Official]

@@alkristopher Like a badass lol

[@fabienherry6690]

@@Faus4us_Official I love how this single line "reform the line" tell us so much : He is faced with fairy tale and something totally out of his comprehension so his only reaction is to go back to what he know : the cavalery line. Even if we soon see how stupid that decision was as they aren't the biggest in the block anymore it a stupid decision that make sense. It's show a flaw that reinforce the character : He is old and not the most immaginative he is stuck in the old ways but it also show he is brave. Galadriel line "where is the commander" ... It show she is vindicative ? I dunno xD

[@Faus4us_Official]

@@fabienherry6690 Perhaps. A man who is not fighting for himself but for what he values most will charge at the enemy no matter how intimidating they seem without any regard for his own life. Death Korps of Krieg in a nutshell lol

[@TechLeafRanger]

On the one side...we have one of the greatest movie scenes in cinema, a scene where you know the stakes cannot be higher. The tension is in the air, the suspense, the thrill, the worry. Here you have 6000 riders who have nearly killed themselves the past 3 days to reach this point, facing down an army over 10 times their number. You can see the fear and trepidation on their faces, but then all of it is washed away as their king rallies his men, for what might be their final charge. And with one speech, the fear is gone, replaced instead by grim determination. As the trumpets and violins surge, so to does the Rohirrim. You are swept up in thrill of watching them surge forward, with Theoden ever in the lead, through arrows and spears, as Rohan comes to Gondor's aid. A scene that gets me every time, because of the majesty, the scope, and power of it. Versus....what looks like people in plastic armor I'd expect kids to wear for Halloween charging across a field towards a group of what looks like vagrants, knocking them over with the magical extending chain like its some damn goofy comedy, and utilizing the most ridiculous, flashy, impractical fighting styles that would only guarantee you'd get stabbed in the back the moment you started swinging your sword. All so 'yes slay queen' can show up all the dumb stupid men and we can pretend Sauron is a misunderstood pretty boy rather then an actual villain. It is literally like the warmest, most beautiful sunny day, versus the darkest, most horrifically miserable cold night you could image. One is a work of art, the other is a work of a dog with the runs.

[@robdredd2094]

nah not that many orcs dear boi, its 10 k orcs and maybe 3000 eastlings they had to deal with and they got help with that later on with the ghosties

[@TechLeafRanger]

@@robdredd2094 If you go to the wiki for Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movies, it states that the Gondorian's had 10,000 soldiers, with Rohan adding 6,000 more to that number later on. They were facing 200,000 enemies, which is DOUBLE what I thought it was, at 100,000. That is for the movie. If we actually go to Tolkein and what he wrote, the exact number of orcs is not given. WHat we do know is this: Gondor had roughly 3,000 soldiers, with the 6,000 later added by Rohan coming into play. they were standing against an army of 18,000 Haradrim and a host of orcs that was so great that it was considered to be numbering in the ten's of thousands. A host that, as I paraphrase what Tolkein himself wrote "had not been seen from Mordor since the time of Isildur's might'. This is supposed to be the largest army Mordor has sent out in 3,000 years. At minimum, the army would be well above the 10,000 you describe, which was the number of Uruk-hai that Saruman sent to destroy Rohan and Helm's Deep. The orcs would have easily outnumbered the HAradrim forces, which again, Tolkein puts at 18,000 strong. So no...whether it be the Peter Jackson movie or the book itself, Rohan was not facing a mere 13,000 enemies total. They were facing a force far greater then what they could muster, far greater then what they fought at Helm's Deep. An army meant to crush the world of Men and end it altogether.

[@mis8866]

"and we can pretend Sauron is a misunderstood pretty boy rather then an actual villain." Someone doesn't understand script writing lol.

[@StubbySum9]

@@dall1911 same

[@robdredd2094]

@@TechLeafRanger oh still had 10 k in mind, the orcs number is not known exactly tho. tens of thousand lets me assume atleast 20-30 k which makes sense regarding gandalf mentions the reserve in mordor being 10 thousand rly thought haradrim were less. + korsairs. but defo not 200k orcs thatll be a bit excessive.

[@quasimodo1914]

Charging into a doomed fight pinned on Aragorn securing the Army of the Dead versus charging in to kill outnumbered villagers. Yeah.

[@alt1f4]

Yeah, surelly those orcs had been peacefully living there and working the land, until the evil humans came in and raided their village, poor orcs

[@SolazLive]

One thing I always really liked about the movie is how basically every soldier is in similar gear but you can clearly see differences and differentiate each soldier, meanwhile in ROP they need to take off their helmet on the battlefield because everyone looks the same in their pristine uniform armor

[@AliothAncalagon]

Which is something I could accept if the armor even looked any good. But it looks like something an unexperienced LARPer slapped together in 2 hours. Compared to the Numenorians in their prime, Rohan is hardly more than some stone age backwater hicksville. Yet in this case it looks like its the exact other way around.

[@kenjikune2565]

That's because for Lotr almost every single suit of armor was handcrafted to be unique. Not seemingly 3d printed in a factory building.

[@raulmachuca9047]

yep, they look like the army of clones of the first Total war games. it shows how little effort was put compares to LOTR

[@ottosalo4575]

true but funny considering that in lotr they literally copy pasted horses and soldiers for that scene :D

[@NtoTheM]

Most notably the main characters. Can't have them use armor, that'd make too much sense and would put dirt on the money they get paid for partaking in this shit fest.

[@mateusmarques5343]

Those plastic armors in Rings of Power make me laugh out loud 😂😂

[@pittland44]

Plastic armor with manboobs. What's sad is that a lot of the armor in LOTR was plastic and rubber and otherwise synthetic as well, but they put in the work to make it look real. That's the difference between something made by actual artists and something made by Bezos cronies.

[@zerase84]

Pretty sure they are PU leather as its more difficult to use plastic as armors.

[@thatfuzzypotato1877]

Also the chainmail in LotR was actual handcrafted chainmail

[@reaper411b]

THANK you. Now I don't have to say this. Couldn't be more "shitty-generic-ass-fantasy" looking.

[@imperfectalien5614]

Plastic armour with what appears to be a patterned long sleeve t-shirt underneath

[@elderadult8544]

LOTR did not have to go so hard with the horns. And I am so happy they did I literally get chills every time I hear any of them! I'm not saying it didn't need horns. I'm saying they are way too good

[@dimitriwarchief301]

No It did

[@Ludd94]

😂

[@jawstrock2215]

They did, it's a big moment in the book, it was a sign of hope for everyone in the city in the desperation.(And Pippin would forever have a sting of emotion when he heard a horn blown since).

[@elderadult8544]

I wasn't just referring to this scene specifically. Just overall ever horn in these movies especially the haradrim

[@xaphok2173]

One of my favourite moments in the book is during the scouring of the Shire, when the bandits blow their pathetic horn and Merry answers with the epic horn of Rohan

[@ceiling_cat]

LotR: mighty warriors crush enemy orders and break through to save the city Amazon: some aristocrats have fun in a village slayung down locals

[@gicousinjoe6199]

There really are few scenes that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the sheer epicness and emotional gravitas of the Ride of the Rohirrim in Peter Jackson's adaptation of "The Lord of the Rings." This scene is a cultural touchstone, the absolute pinnacle of raw emotion, artistry, and narrative power that leaves an indelible mark on the soul of the viewer. In Jackson's work, the air itself seems charged with electricity, and every second feels like a countdown to death. Into this heavy tension rides King Théoden, his face a map of the burdens of leadership and the weight of impending doom. With him, 6,000 Rohirrim, their efforts a physical manifestation of their courage and their love for their land. As Théoden's voice cuts through the air, transforming fear into a fiery resolve, you feel it in your bones. It's not just a speech; it's a war cry, a lament, and a eulogy all in one. And then, as the music swells, a symphony of trumpets and strings that seems to carry the very cries of the Rohirrim, they charge. It's a moment of cinematic alchemy, pure gold, a sequence that turns pixels and sound into emotions so potent they feel like they're carved into your very being. Now, let's look (shudder) at Amazon's "The Rings of Power." Where Jackson's Rohirrim charged with the weight of destiny, this new haggle of warriors seems to stumble forward in a parody of battle. The armor, which should sing of history and heritage, looks like it was cobbled together from a suburban Halloween store and spray-painted "metal". The enemy, isn't close to what could be called a fearsome horde, and actually resembles a group of disorganized purse-snatching ruffians, lacking any sense of menace or purpose. The choreography of the battle is like a poorly rehearsed tik-tok dance than a life-and-death struggle, with fighters twirling and prancing in ways that defy logic and insult the intelligence. Instead of a battle, it feels like a clumsy farce, a misguided attempt at spectacle that forgets the heart and soul of combat is not in its flashiness, but in its authenticity and emotional resonance. It's a tragic misstep, a fumbling in the dark that fails to capture even a spark of the original's brilliance.

[@birdmadd8137]

Bloody well said!

[@tsemayekekema2918]

Poorly rehearsed ticktock dance 💀😭🤣

[@Meerdalf]

this was written by AI

[@dxnielastbury8767]

In all fairness it was only a minor battle in the first season compared to literally the penultimate battle of the series, not really a fair comparison

[@tsemayekekema2918]

@@dxnielastbury8767 writing of a Numenorian intervention in middle earth with only 500 men is a sin against the scale of the danger. Besides, any enemy that can be overpowered by 500 men has no business being such a potent threat

[@decebalusgames6325]

The battle in LOTR looks like a battle between professional armies, when Amazon made it look like a raid on a poor village

[@Kratos-hi1kx]

That is exactly what its supposed to look like lol.

[@zerase84]

How dare you call the orcs professional armies ?! Their intellegence is totally lacking. Look at how they waste their Mûmakil

[@benvergus1573]

Yeah haha the orcs in the village look like poor townfolk/refugees, would almost feel bad for them

[@NightOwlStudios21]

Yeah that's what it was.. It was basically a big sting operation to eradicate the orcs, but instead it went a wee bit down hill.

[@epicmetod]

its raid on poor village, uploader make sh1t comparison

[@jaredjackson3257]

One makes you cry. The other makes you… cry.

[@rickyal9810]

Well said 😂

[@mixelplik]

Brilliant!

[@Mechanical_Turk]

Thanks for reminding me that LOTR had cinema's the first and last depiction of the true carnage that is a large-scale cavalry charge.

[@imtired9395]

Notice the soaring music, carrying the spirit of the glorious charge of the noble king. Then of course, the distinct use of helmets and armor, while the close-up shots let the actors show their emotional range, they still look armored for battle. Something I don't think is appreciated enough is the audio mixing being carefully crafted to emphasize the thundering, terrifying sound of thousands of horses hammering the hardpacked earth. During the charge, when they focus Éomer, the sound of the battle falls away, and all you can hear is his gallant warcry and the music swelling to a climactic height, in the moment before the strike there is no fear, there is no hesitation, there is no doubt, there is but fury against the darkness and a conviction to defend the light. Its brilliant. Every single second of the Ride of the Rohirrim is flawless. It is, in every sense of the word, a perfectly crafted scene.

[@HolgerOeft]

Characters like Theoden and Faramir are my most loved characters. they start weak and insecure from 0 to 100. theoden always struggled because he think he´s not worthy as a king and responsable for the doom of Rohan. Only after this charge and the rescue of his niece, he truely found inner peace and become the greatest king of Rohan and go to feast with his dead ancestors.

[@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep]

Perfectly said my friend

[@eatin5seconds]

@@HolgerOeftthey represent that even lesser flawed men not just Aragorn can rise to the occasion with honour and noble hearts and that it is necessary in order to vanquish evil. It was the weak will of men that damned the people of middle earth but men are redeemed by the actions of the selfless

[@CrackingCritic]

Let’s not forget the fantastic build up to this scene. The beacons being lit across the picturesque landscape and grander music. Aragorn : “The Beacons of Minas Tirith!The Beacons are lit! Gondor calls for aid“ Theoden : “…And Rohan will answer!” Then there is this scene… Amazing

[@mis8866]

I mean its pretty easy to make a good movie, when you have 3 books to make said movies from. RoP however is done on UNFINISHED material, i think you guys are a little bit too hard on it honestly. The fact is if LORD OF THE RINGS wasn't already done as movies, literally all of you would LOVE RoP but you all compare it to movies that won fucking like 40 awards, nothing is going to ever come close to that, idk why you guys are so angry about it.

[@CrackingCritic]

@@mis8866 I haven’t watched a single minute of RoP except from KZbin clips like this and if the comparison is accurate, there seems to be no build up or suspense. It’s just people riding over land and through a village in pairs. I also don’t know if this is a big moment in RoP. I am purely basing this off the comparison. At the break of Dawn on the hill was a whole army of horses and an inspiring speech made by the king and thunderous gallop of the horses, arrows being shot and riders being killed, you could almost feel the desperation to hit the line of orcs as hard as one could ride and then finally the wall of horses braking against the orcs and crushing them. This was not conveyed in the RoP comparison.

[@donkeysunited]

​@@CrackingCriticThis is the build up in RoP: Galadriel finds out that Sauron's forces are active somewhere. She convinces the Queen to send her army to crush the orcs. The Queen sets sail in 3 small ships (was supposed to be 5 but 2 burned down). After landing and riding hard through the whole night, they charge into the exact village where they need to be, to save the day! Problems: - Only 3 ships? - The Queen herself went? - They had no intel on the size or dispersion of the enemy, yet they somehow knew that 300 cavalry would be enough. - Somehow they fit hundreds of cavalry and equipment and support personnel on 3 small ships. Who knew they had TARDIS ships? - Riding horses at full gallop through the night on unfamiliar terrain, all those horses should be dead. - They had no way of knowing where they were supposed to go. - Charging in from the West, with the sun rising behind them! Except the sun rises in the East. - Sending all your cavalry over a tiny chokepoint of the bridge, when you could easily circle the village and attack on open ground. The only fun part about watching RoP is looking for the stupid illogical mistakes. And there are so many! Anyone who has read or watched fantasy knows a fair bit about military tactics and numbers. Watching RoP makes you realise they know nothing (Jon Snow).

[@donkeysunited]

More problems: Those weren't even elite cavalry. In a previous episode we were shown them training recruits in sword fighting in a truly cringe mock battle by Galadriel on the recruits. Yet somehow they are sent with their queen and they suddenly all know battle tactics on horseback. Time means nothing in the show. Journeys that should take days or weeks are completed in hours. There is no concept of scale. And when I said those ships were small... We're not talking about Spanish Galleons with 4 cannon decks above the waterline. These ships had the open deck above the water (if my memory is correct). You'd be lucky to fit 10 horses and riders and equipment below the decks of each ship. Honestly, you could watch RoP purely for the comedy of errors. Amateurs drowning in a sea of money and modern representation. The whole show is an insult to the intelligence of fantasy fans.

[@Muschelschubs3r]

They had more than enough to work with. They chose to "improve“ on Tolkien‘s work because they are that arrogant. Everything looks as cheap as it was.

[@thomasgrey9121]

I still have gigantic goosebumps at “DEATH!!!!” moment. Holy, what a film that was

[@abbeylg3060]

Thank you for uploading this. It reminded me to watch LOTR movie again. I'm still so impressed how legendary the movie is. Never gets old

[@123Juniiorr]

a big difference between the 2 is that in the movie the horses are always moving, they never stop because if they stop.. guess what? the horse becomes a disadvantage

[@Ludd94]

That's the level of writing for RoP...

[@IgorRockt]

Not even to mention that cavalry in a village is a VERY bad idea in the first place. To quote Terry Pratchett (from "Nightwatch"): 'I wouldn't worry about those,' said Vimes. 'Cavalry can't come through there. You know what they call a horse in the shades?' Colon grinned. 'Yeah, sarge. Lunch.' 😆

[@lVideoWatcherl]

@@IgorRockt Don't worry, the orcs conveniently all storm out of the buldings and out of cover onto the conveniently large streets where they could, without putting up a fight, be _bowled over by a chain carried between two horses._ I would wager that without any formal moviemaking training, I could do a better job than what was done here.

[@adrianD4]

@@lVideoWatcherl well the idiot who wrote that scene thought it looks cool and stupid people appreciate cool things........

[@TheTomseaver4189]

As amazing as the charge of the Rohirrim is, you can’t tell me that the Haradrim and mumakil showing up isn’t the absolute HARDEST mic drop. “Y’all only brought horses??”

[@dabalma]

now imagine a live action of the Silmarillion with Rings of Power budget directed by Peter Jackson. Tolkien's story + big money + cinematic genius = greatest masterpiece ever

[@byronlee-wi3zv]

Not necessarily, take the hobbit for example. Jackson had the acclaim of LoTR so the budget for The Hobbit would have been higher after LoTR then if he did it before LoTR, of the novels themselves both are beloved by most of Tolkiens fans, so The Hobbit was always going to draw a crowd yet it is firmly held to be worse then LoTR. Jackson’s passion project was always LoTR, The Hobbit was more of the studios desire to continue on the cash cow that LoTR was and what better way to do that then to throw enough money at Jackson for him to make it, problem was he wasn’t as passionate about it and I fear Silmarillion would be the same. Don’t get me wrong I would love for him to do it and to team up with WETA again, imagine the visual effects they could create now. LoTR changed many people’s lives that worked on it, and not just the actors.

[@NightOwlStudios21]

Peter Jackson would probably make a cgi abomination again. Just like with the Hobbit.

[@kianhr104]

@@byronlee-wi3zv he was forced into stretching one film into 3 as the producers wanted another massive trilogy without care for the quality or pacing

[@Pingelpop]

@@byronlee-wi3zv But even then, The Hobbit triology is so much better than RoP

[@CilyOnTheRun]

​@@byronlee-wi3zvThis is an unfair comparison. You should read up about the production of The Hobbit. They were literally writing the script for scenes on the day they were filmed. They had no time and were forced to make three movies when in reality Peter Jackson wanted two at most.

[@Nintendo0994]

Jesus christ the last charge of the Rohirrim hits so fucking hard.

[@perilouspursuits692]

LOTR trilogy. Over 20 years old and still the greatest movies of all time

[@steakinbacon8593]

I watch them every year and have made sure all my nephews watched them too.

[@channelcoconut6830]

@@steakinbacon8593 I watch them once a month 😂😅

[@PhyrexJ]

@@channelcoconut6830I don’t know you but I automatically think you are a very likable person just because of comment. People need to watch more LOTR.

[@reek4062]

The Lord of the Rings is a book

[@MemoristCed]

@@reek4062 Yes, and a very good one at that. Its adaptations are never QUITE what the book is, but they are still quite good.

[@Duy-Metal]

I was a kid watching the Return of the King at the cinema. When Rohan charge me and a lot of other people randomly start to scream and getting up of our seats and applause, it was so epic, I´ve never experience something like this before or after this movie. It was an special moment to treasure.

[@shirohige291]

Blood ancestors relived the defense of Vienna when the Hussars arrived and saved the city

[@aa.ra9589]

Poland saved Europe only to be crushed by them later.

[@BellaCahill]

Another thing RoP: oh no a horse got a little bit cut. LotR: these horses are so dead that they’re killing their riders

[@thenickfoxx]

There are many moments in the original trilogy that just fill me with so much emotion. Gandalf, Pippin and Shadowfax are face to face with the Witch King of Angmar - all hope seems lost - then you hear that magnificent horn blaring beyond the ramparts.. I just can't help but tear up. From that moment on I just can never hold it together as the sequence plays out. It's truly one of - if not the greatest calvary charge in cinema. The trilogy holds such a special place in my heart. My dad took me to see all of them in theaters back when they came out. It was the absolute best theater experience for all of them. Especially the ride of the Rohirrim. The entire theater sounded like they were charging too lol. Every time I watch the films I get extra emotional because they remind me so much of my dad.

[@IkkemMR]

Will never forget, as a teenager, after reading the books, going to cinema to watch the first movie, and Galadriel starts narrating… and watching for the first time Sauron moving, and Gil Galad and Elendil… just writing this is giving me chills. Didn’t see even 10 mins of RoP.

[@josesantos2084]

Didn't lose anything by not watching RoP.

[@AliothAncalagon]

You might just as well compare the Trilogy to a random Xena episode from the 90s. At least that show didn't take itself too seriously and had some kind of charm. Its honestly impressive how Amazon managed to spend so much money while making so little of an effort. Somehow Amazon actually proved that matching the quality of Jacksons trilogy is harder than going to space.

[@NtoTheM]

Even Xena had more grace than this nonsense.

[@randalvelvet9307]

Xena also had Eomer and Homelander

[@myvideosetc.8271]

Xena was its own thing, and was cool, but I understand your point, quality is so far away one from the other they can''t even be compared.

[@fabienherry6690]

I really don't know where all the budget went . Probably overpaid BIPOC activist that never showed up to their job if i had to guess

[@Klonen75]

Amazon proved that if you start a project you don't understand and even force another agenda on what you don't understand, it doesn't matter how much money you throw at the thing. You end up with a project that howls soulless from the costumes to the dialogues to the shallow pretentious characters.

[@rostyawanaldy2402]

i refuse to believe that numenor in it's height couldnt even deploy much larger, cohesive, properly equiped cavalry than rohan in it's twilight

[@Kratos-hi1kx]

If you read the books then you would know WHEN numenor deploys their actual fighting armies! In the show the queen is close with elendil the captain of the sailors so they only took with them the sailors and sailors are not known for the infantry or the main army. In the show itself you can see the actual military of numenor here and there with golden armor and blue cape standing as guards. So this was basically just numenorean sailors on horse vs orcs

[@Mechenzo440]

the feels are starting again after only watching 1-2 min...

[@Cyberwolf87]

Glad I came across this video. Really loved the stark comparisons. It's not just the spectacle of the Rohirrim charge vs the Numenorean...skirmish. I like how there's a huge contrast between how the leaders are depicted, how the fights are choreographed and scenes are shot and why one character (strong female character in Eowyn vs Guyladriel) kicking ass worked while the other didn't. Love to keep watching more comparisons, especially when you're doing thankless work that includes watching RoP. Keep it up!

[@Ludd94]

Thank you! Will do.

[@pupusaslordking5617]

Yeah, its so cringy how they make Galadriel look like an acrobat lmao. Actually, its hard to believe that this woman is Galadriel honestly.

[@fabienherry6690]

And the stake ! In the amazon fan fic the WORST that happen is a small cut on a horse ... WTF

[@DanDanDoe]

@@pupusaslordking5617Yeah, the constant 360 degrees perception to dodge arrows and spears looks just silly. In LotR characters survived because the orcs simply don’t always hit their shots. They survived because they took cover, because of luck, because a mate saved them. In RoP Galadriel survives because she’s just too fast and acrobatic to be hit by arrows?

[@pupusaslordking5617]

Yeah, its like she has no weaknesses lmfao. Even in LOTR and The Hobbit she was super OP but at least she knew she would do a lot of evil if she ever would be in possession of the Ring, like she had weaknesses and also Ive never thought of Galadriel as a warrior, more as an elf witch! Like she doesnt need a sword and an armor lmao.@@DanDanDoe

[@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158]

When you look at Rohan's cavalry in LOTR, they are fighting like an actual army, like one unit and always have each other's backs. When you look at Numenorian cavalry in ROP, they're fighting like raiders instead of soldiers: there is no formation, they all just scatter and chase after individual orcs and them saving eachother from death feels much more like deus ex-machina rather than soldiers watching their comrade's backs. With smarter tactics, orcs could have probably even beaten them, but they instead just run around like headless chickens.

[@DragonKing-te9wy]

Not to mention charging headfirst into a town on horses, something that should, if the ROP directors were aware of logic - become an almost perfect meat grinder to the horsemen. The whole point of cavalry is to hit with one's own strength backed by the weight of the horse, and then be completely out of range in the next second. I honestly wonder if the ROP producers even know basic military combat from medieval times and beforehand.

[@HuyDinh-fe4rn]

with no context, I would think those Numenorian calvaries were invaders who had come to raid this poor village filled with weak, defenceless peasants

[@DragonKing-te9wy]

@HuyDinh-fe4rn You are absolutely right. Even Ar-Pharazon, the most corrupt Numenorian king would at least have his soldiers hold their positions and act strategically.

[@philipelandt]

@@DragonKing-te9wy The whole reason why Sauron surrendered to him is because Numenorians were too powerful to oppose, in order to have any hope to succeed. You don't achieve that kind of power without tactic

[@DragonKing-te9wy]

@philipelandt On top of all that, in their corruption, the Numenorians were well known for sending in arrows before them. To the point where they were compared to a hail of black metal. This raid encapsulates none of that terrifying power, nor even their corruption; minus the corruption of the editors of course😆

[@BarborisochkaAlex]

For 7:34 I was getting chills on and off every time it changed from lotr to rop, it really can’t be compared

[@joecota2644]

Ending with a big pat on the back for Gladriel is hilarious

[@keetenwiggins7802]

One was one of the best shots of the entire trilogy: amazing soundtrack. Perfect amount of practical effects and CGI and amazing cast and stakes that were off the charts. The other one was a poor fanfic that had Sauron with the elf’s, elendil being reduced to a beta male since (not) Galadriel was unfortunately the star of the show. CGI was okay at best while cast were either mediocre or laughable. And don’t get me started on the dialogue on ROP it was embarrassing.

[@Ludd94]

100%

[@Farron6]

Thank god the LotR trilogy came out when it did with a cast and crew that loved it. It is now safe and timeless and your grandchildren's grandchildren will enjoy the masterpiece that it is and I will be still be holding back tears when I watch it with mine.

[@vincentadultman6226]

Fr I have no hope from modern Hollywood for a movie like LoTR

[@reek4062]

lmao. Grow up crybaby.

[@evancodsworth2]

Don't hold back those tears.

[@RudiRemigrato]

from Wokewood I have no hope for any good movie

[@henylor2813]

I want the next multiple generations to see this MASTER PIECE truly a timeless film.

[@keirraholley4248]

I didn't even notice when the music during RoP scene stopped, in comparison to the abrupt halt in the music during LotR when the reality of death and fear hits is well timed, showing the stress and destruction the oliphaunts brings is amazing

[@DrPet80]

RoP looks like a raid on farmers with dirty clothes.

[@nategraham6946]

RoP was a terrible cavalry charge, even GoT did better at the battle of the bastards. But nothing I know of can beat the battle of Pelinore Fields.

[@englishlady9797]

Agreed: and this makes me hate what they did to canon characters more. Elendil should be a formidable warrior and superb fighter. Imagine a taller and stronger version of Aragorn. He and Gil-Galad duelled Sauron himself at the siege of Barad-Dur and according to The Silmarillion actually hurt him enough to bring him down. Competent writers who respected the lore should be able to give us incredible battle scenes with this characters. Instead, they made Elendil a useless laughing stock who could barely even stay on his horse so we could have some cheap gurl powa acrobatics.

[@nategraham6946]

@@englishlady9797 I agree 1000%. This show is an abomination to the lore.

[@chixdinner]

The only thing that comes close to the battle of Pelennor fields is the charge down the hill at helms deep.

[@nategraham6946]

@@chixdinner I completely agree. This was meant to show comparisons to other media sources that claim the similarity.

[@christophermichaelclarence6003]

LOTR was shot in a large scale that's why. It was more like a War The ROTG was just mission

[@Alchemist1330]

The rings of Power had almost 3 times the budget... WTF happened. Moreover, Lord of the rings was 12 hours of film, and Rings of power was only 7 hours of film...

[@Freezer003]

RoP is a money laundering scheme

[@nicbahtin4774]

Waste fraud and abuse most of the money was pocketed.

[@FernandoPerez-zx2vz]

They spent it to pay the actors a ridiculous amount and the rest went directly into the massive advertising so yeah they just didn't care at all about the books or the epic trilogy and just wanted to finish it as soon as possible to make more money for themselves once it was delivered.

[@dragonecethefirst9229]

nahh, its even wors then that, ROPE litterly hierd a lot of unknown actors to be cheap, Galadriel in rope earned about 140k in total. samwise got around 250k for all three movies LOTR moveis, Legolas only got about 178k i think Aragorn was the highest paid one with around 40million in total aswell as ian macallen as Gandalf with about 13million (not this is whitout taking account for the inflation) soo in comparison to LOTR ------ROPE bearly paid their actors at all to be honest. wich is one of the reasons a lot of ppl have even higher question marks as to where the fuck all the money went,

[@reek4062]

@beeticket The movies were not loyal to the spirit of Tolkien

[@alirezanikpay]

3:30 this scene and horn will worth more the whole RoP... you can even feel the fear in the next scene in the HORSE eye. fcking horse, u deserve an oscar compare to these new sh!t.

[@vladislavgrechko7547]

It's like comparing a real battle where people are ready to fight to the last drop of blood and a drunken fight behind a bar...

[@Ludd94]

😂

[@timothyarnold1679]

That "Forth Eorlingas!" Still gets me jacked every tume.

[@adminotaku4799]

That horn call from the Oliphant driver always gives me shivers (good)

[@andreas4631]

Look what a strong and fearless woman Galadriel ia, she doesn't even need a helmet. 😅

[@tsemayekekema2918]

The Gondarian army of Aragorn's day weren't as large as the vanguard of Elendil's day. Elendil's kingdoms would have hundreds of thousands of troops, and Numenorean troops would be over a million. Yet in Rings of Power they're 500😭😭😭

[@RicoRaynn]

that's what happens when you get people who don't give two shits about the established lore and are only interested in hijacking a name/IP so they can peddle their hack writing/ideas. Honestly, we see this everywhere right now. Writing, music, video games. It feels like the fan fic blogs of the 90s finally broke free of their constraints and are now subjecting the whole world to their cringe mediocrity and stupidity. Just look at hip hop. Years ago we got the masterpiece that was 'The Message' (if you don't know look up Grandmaster Flash). Now a stripper, who is more than likely a felon with all her drugging and robbing, had a hit song about how wet she gets. Fucking stupid.

[@Ludd94]

500 men in plastic armour. Go go Amazons!

[@Hellscream900]

I highly doubt this scene is supposed to be a altered invasion of Ar-Pharazôn which leads to the capture and abduction of Sauron. It's just an expedition of 3 ships instead of an armada. Which means if Amazon decides to continue with more seasons we might see Ar-Pharazôn taking the crown and sending Numenors full army to crush Sauron and his forces.

[@malkav_ils]

Well, to be honest, this is not a full on invasion, this is just a recon mission so the size of the army isn't really that much of a problem (although how they managed to bring in 500 riders with horses and supplies on just 3 relatively mediocre ships is beyond me).

[@MDP1702]

@@malkav_ils A recon mission with the queen amongst them 🤔

[@zoey8977]

They sound the horn, start charging as the Rohan theme kicks in and it always gives me goosebumps

[@gastonlanteri1147]

Rohirrim charge feels so powerful than it gets you to think the dude at 2:07 alone can rush through the entire RoP chavalry, break it's formation, kick it's ass and sorround and capture the survivors. BTW, LotR fans know that dude by the name of "Angry Will". IDK what orcs did to that dude but they must have done some serious shit for him to charge that way.

[@PhyrexJ]

That dude is my hero

[@Cold-Blooded-Jay]

At 4:25, the hero music crescendo cuts off as soon as the Oliphaunts hit- just so you know, this isn't anything the heroes can handle, and they are getting massacred. It's not even a fight anymore. It is used so creatively to up the tension in a climactic scene.

[@ronan_42]

I think one of the factors here is scale: The Rohirrim against the armies of Mordor besieging Minas Tirith feels a little different than three ships of people against some rogue band of orcs in a backwater village.

[@missAlice1990]

Not that much. Both types of battles (large-scale and small-scale) can be made profound and emotional as well as both can be made emotionless and empty. LOTR achieved the former, RoP the latter.

[@Ludd94]

There were no stakes. You did not care about anything or anyone. That is the main problem for me.

[@Grimmir]

​@@Ludd94missing the whole point big time, dude.

[@Ludd94]

@@Grimmir Elaborate please. What did I miss?

[@Grimmir]

@@Ludd94 sure thing. If you think that in war, every single battle or skirmish is for s glorious reason, you have no fucking idea of what you are talking about. And that's the whole point. One of them is for the future of the land and everybody around. The other, isn't. If your small mind is unable to grasp that, and tries to compare both scenes, then yes... You missed the whole point.

[@theshyestsasquatch]

The oliphaunts entering the battle is one of my fav scenes. That badass rider controlling a mountain sized beast was just so cool. Kick his ass c-bass!

[@yetipotato8567]

Those guys have such powerful deathstare

[@zerase84]

but get one shotted by a nameless spear. duh

[@theshyestsasquatch]

@@zerase84 It’s the other way around. Oliphaunt rider was the nameless one. The guy that threw the spear was a hero in the movie. I’d recommend watching it.

[@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep]

I love how Theoden reforms the line as they are coming. I'm tearing up just thinking about it 😭 lol

[@Jupiter862]

@@zerase84 Spear to the chest would probably do it...and Idk if Eomer is what would be called nameless...

[@Jordyio]

Wait, they sent thousands to raid a village sized orc invasion? And not all at once, just a conga line of cavalry?

[@Ludd94]

Amazing writing, right?

[@winterdusk6313]

I love the effort PJ and co put into making Sauron's various mannish armies look cool and unique.

[@BossCrazyRoss]

No excuse for the wealthiest company in the world to be outdone by something that's 20 years old.

[@dimitriwarchief301]

What you mean? One company had hearg and soul The company of today didn’t

[@dandimerman]

it offends me that LOTR shares a frame with ROP.😠

[@Ludd94]

😂

[@geuros]

I get chills every time I watch this scene in Return of the King, mainly because of the amazing music, you already recognize the theme of Rohan even if you never knew anything about musical theory. You hear those strings play that melody and you think "Rohan".

[@Honyakusha]

Both brings tears to eyes, for different reasons though.

[@altertobi2573]

0:58 instant goosebumps

[@steffanschurig926]

Absolut

[@Abuqital2000]

LOTR: over $200 million for three movies. Rings of Power: over $400 million for one season 🤦‍♂️

[@hosenOne1]

RoP's final budget was 1 Billion $ by the end of season 1. even adjusting for inflation its like 2.5x more overall

[@sublimer2091]

@@hosenOne1 That is not true. It was $465m which includes initial investments for sets, licensing rights, etc.

[@jonsmitt9769]

RoP charge could’ve been so much better, it had some good story elements but failed to live up to it’s potential. The scenery is gorgeous but the camera is zoomed in on the cheap armor. The first glimpse of the cavalry is hazy even for coming out of the sun standards. The pacing doesn’t quite match the music as well as it could. The script and biology doesn’t make sense. The characters know there’s an enemy in the land but how do they know about this particular village being in such urgent need? Horses actually have rather low gallop endurance, particularly when carrying an armored man, they’d be exhausted long before they got to the village. ROTK charge was slower, grittier but more realistic. Even charging the oliphants head on, while devastating, actually makes sense. The horses are too slow and tired to flank, they’d be scattered trying to avoid the threat in hopes the enemy’s weak side appears by itself.

[@Kaboomleft]

Add to it that everyone is black on rop

[@anandasusanto7017]

LOTR used lighting to its fullest during this charge, and that's why the Rorrhirim charge is so dramatic. The Orc's fear of the cavalry is also very clearly expressed, with Gothmog even saying "Fire at will!" when the Rorrhirim refuses to go down. LOTR will always be THE masterpiece of all time.

[@silvergold1959]

Когда заиграла мелодия Питера Джексона, у меня пошли мурашки по коже!

[@milleniumfights7500]

Тоже

[@ОлегВеселовский]

То чувство когда фильм 20 летней давности засмотренный до дыр выглядит в разы лучше сериала с полумиллиардным бюджетом

[@sofyashvetzova]

Клянусь, сколько не пересматриваю, даже зная, что где и как будет, все равно ощущения как при первом просмотре

[@giovdb]

You gave me chills at the beginning when you switched from RoP music to Lotr music. Holy smokes. Honestly, I think that's the biggest difference. Some of the RoP stuff does look really cool (not as cool, but still cool), but the music is night and day.

[@99Pierogies]

Yeah, I think a lot of people underestimate just how much Howard shore did for the lotr trilogy

[@paleface171]

This is from my observations. King Théoden along with everyone else cresting the hill and saw a lot of Mordor forces, and Gondor on the ropes. Now I can't say what everyone was thinking, I did see the look of surprise and a bit of fear. From Merry and Eowyn at least, I can assume that a lot of the other riders had a similar fear. Then King Théoden hypes everyone with a speech that strengthens the resolve of everyone. The charge then starts with a roar, and a great music number as Rohan charges toward oblivion. Meanwhile rop is so quiet, so stiff and no hype or excitement. They are just running over a hill like Eomer and his company when he was ousted by Saruman and Wormtongue.

[@E_duckYT]

While I do love the Charge of the Rohhirrim, one thing I never understood was Theoden's charge against the Oliphants. Yes, that definitely took some balls to do so, but I still don't see the practical logistical military value in charging 50ft tall war-elephants half the size of the original Godzilla who's commanders are definitely out of reach of spears and swords, on horseback without many archers. All I see are riders charging towards them, sometimes even past them, and then get obliterated by their tusks. I get that Eowyn does manage to bring one down by slashing at it's legs, and Eomer takes one out by spearing it's captain, but those aren't things every Rohhrim Rider could do. The rest seem to just be prickling them with arrows or getting trampled on. Can someone explain this to me?