Peter Senge: "Systems Thinking for a Better World" - Aalto Systems Forum 2014

[@Samtaremwa]

What a big big puzzle, "How do we fall in love again with the World". Thank you so much Peter Senge. Connecting with this wisdom, when i am a few weeks into a Master of Arts in Environment and Management is indeed so helpful and sets a big big challenge right away!

[@stevendelgado5654]

Is not about the knowledge but about the intensity and the reason that created the purpose to seek such knowledge

[@TheWsteed]

Beautiful, thought-provoking delivery. This is the kinda gent I'd love to share a cup of coffee with

[@robertcryer7237]

If he was paying for his own you could probably afford one each.

[@Staki9]

@@robertcryer7237 lol. Thanks.

[@factsmarketingagency3869]

Amazing work from an amazing mind. Thank you Aalto University for sharing.

[@joenitajoya.baguio6994]

Our professor presented this to us. Thank you for this informative video!

[@riya-jx3vv]

One of the best videos and speaker I have coke across. I believe to feel lucky to watch this video at an early age of my life and would surely carry so much from it.

[@michellewaters5440]

Having studied Senge's Systems Thinking, I was very pleased recently to read the insightful sentiment by Pope Francis' in his encyclical on the environment. Hope abounds.

[@SomethingSoOriginal]

Peter Senge is a good speaker!

[@seanchance2]

Great speech Peter Senge your delivery was great.

[@Potencyfunction]

So? Where is system thinking?

[@xinxu3973]

One of best book that I read this year.

[@samarjsingh]

Really insightful talk ... and no powerpoint! I think the insight of those Baja California marine biologists in devising the strategy they used is really representative of systems thinking applied to daily life. The intuitive thought that comes to mind is - how can we train people to lead like that. The answer and the succeeding question comes from Peter Senge again when he says that we are innate systems thinkers of a loving species.... so does that mean training is not necessary? However, he talks about humans innate ability for music and he says that we need musical tools help us cultivate that innate ability for music My question is what are the tools that we can use for cultivating systems thinking in our schools and how can we best use them and how can we measure the impact they produce and demonstrate that impact to the world.

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[@callennathanael2957]

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[@callennathanael2957]

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[@RichardKusiima]

If you simply listen to Peter Senge, as an audio not a video, you will think you are listening to Seth Goddin! I can argue, without a doubt, they are the same personality (Not behaviour)! Looks like I have these two to listen to cause Seth has impacted me greatly cause he speaks in one area that is key to what I do, marketing, and now, I guess, Peter seems to have taken the systems part of things in regards to what I do!

[@Shardikful]

Interdependence is a logical consequence of determinism. It probably even IS determinism... People are system ignorant, because children are no longer being raised to observe and think... And there aren't any different systems... Only one system: The universe. Nothing is ever independent from anything else.

[@spookman123456]

'People are system ignorant, because children are no longer being raised to observe and think... ' since when where people in general system aware in the past? systems thinking is a level up, not a baseline people are naturally at, that goes for most people at least, there are always exceptions. Also, the universe is a hyper interconnected, multileveled, multidimensional, polylithic system from the micro to the macro level on, what i'm trying to say is that by only viewing it as one megasystem you miss all the beautiful and important intricate 'sub systems'. Don't take this to seriously, i just got chaught up in an impulse to reply. I wish you well.

[@edenicsons]

Joël Schöni excellent. Do you have any writings in you thought here?

[@ancapopa9553]

What a wonderful speech... and today is more relevant than ever. Love and awareness are always the answer

[@renatochencinski]

38:11 - Restoring of fisheries, and success story in Mexico 44:00 - Start of success story in Mexico (without context)

[@festivalportrait4687]

Yes it,s true for many our independence has grown and our awareness of interdependence has declined, maybe this has to do with humans having innate systems intelligence which allows for an innate predisposition for systems manipulation. This lecture sets a positive framework for positive change and understanding etc, etc, Nice One.

[@scottcoston7832]

MIT and IIT (Dov Dori) have an amazing graduate program in Systems Architecture with is based on systems thinking. Great book by Crowley on Systems Architecture and phenomenal books by Dori on OMP which is a language that supports and encourages Systems Thinking during the design process.

[@frankaguirre_]

This is so weird. I live in Finland for over a year almost 13 years ago, I still feel that place like my second homeland, and I am from La Paz, the place Peter refer as an example in Mexico... loved the quote, love the video, vielä rakkaustan Suomesta...

[@360HUBGlobal]

have you working with LO?

[@solomonkalit5119]

Great talk. Profound and very deep. We all need more of this in our world.

[@Delight13]

There is a lot of good stuff in this talk, insights based on experience. Happy that Peter voices his respect for the way people in less materialistic and more spiritual cultures have lived lives for 15.000 years and longer. And I couldn't agree more with the LOVE we feel for Life. However I wonder if the parameters of the talk don't need to be extended to a degree that most people will find difficult, especially when used to sitting in these neat conferences :) . I'm sorry to conclude based on my deep research that the proposition "we continually produce results we don't want, that NOBODY wants" is only partially correct. There are forces - about to be defeated by VERY LOVING STARFAMILY as well as AWARE HU-mans - that were actually engaged in clearing Earth' humanity for their own kind (from somewhere off-planet). It's all nice and well to blame us people for the pollution in our sky and land, and I don't wish to remove any co-responsibility, however when chemtrails filled with neurotoxins poison our skies and land and seem to be part of a transhumanist (=anti-humanist) agenda, don't we have to broaden the parameters of the 'discourse'? And when we find out 'democracy' is a situation at least Europe and the US do not experience at this time... that no matter how intense people protest for example food fascism, Monsanto in the US still forces its agenda on the people and the land.... that mind-control via the media, owned by only 6 companies, is rampant.... that in my view accounts for a lot of things 'not going the way we want'! So I toast to our innate loving systems intelligence to incorporate truthful info - often not to be found in the controlled places of 'Learning' in the way we speak about so*u*lutions?? Now that even the positive military's intelligence services are talking about the treaties the US government has made with 17 extra-terrestrial groups? (most of them benevolent, and the negative, dictatorial et's being defeated more and more). I would say YES, let us humans become aware to the highest degree of our interconnectedness and reclaim our sovereignty and Source-given rights, for the benefit of ALL Life

[@FrancesHodgkins]

Extraordinary insight --

[@huffuniversityofcalifornia5294]

Corrections: Essentially, his point is correct if you substitute the word fossil fuels in place of the word coal. This comment is offered, not to distract from his presentation, but to add clarity. He makes a number of excellent observations in his presentation. PDH

[@phpfunkdotcom]

I had to stop at 25:00 b/c there's nothing here of merit. Checkout Toby Hemeway talks on permaculture if you want to hear intelligent discussion about "systems" that gets straight to the point and presents solutions to problems.

[@judgetato]

I am so pleasantly surprised to see another person bringing this critique to Senge's work. I hope everyone who watches this will take the time to do a comparative analysis of the two.

[@SudhirDesaiBrahmax]

I would say that "getting straight to the point" and the "solutions" mindset are indeed the problem that Systems Thinking tried to alleviate. Please take the time.

[@michaelkappel8224]

@@SudhirDesaiBrahmax Agreed: Rote application, devoid of understanding causes a lot of our problems in the first place.

[@jonnakangasoja3610]

Tämä puhe oli loistava!

[@huffuniversityofcalifornia5294]

Mr. Senge, (Peter) continually references the use of fuels in connection with the generation of electrical power. Essentially, his point of correct if you substitute the word fossil fuels in place of the word coal. No to distract from his presentation, this correction is suggested. He makes a number of excellent observations. PDH What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? In 2016, about 4 trillion kilowatthours (kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale facilities in the United States. About 65% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases), about 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 15% was from renewable energy sources. The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that an additional 19 billion kWh (or about 0.02 trillion kWh) of electricity generation was from small-scale solar photovoltaic systems in 2016. Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation in 2016. Natural gas = 33.8% Coal = 30.4% Nuclear = 19.7% Renewables = 14.9% Hydropower = 6.5% Wind = 5.6% Biomass = 1.5% Solar = 0.9% Geothermal = 0.4% Petroleum = 0.6% Other gases = 0.3% Other nonrenewable sources = 0.3% Pumped storage hydroelectricity = -0.2%

[@2WheelTraveler]

Excellent! Thank you

[@kkshest]

When using common sense, we'll jump into conclusion and take a quick fix right at the spot, but a solution usually will bring up another problem(s). A change at one instance trigger both positive and negative impacts. System thinking guides you along the whole chain, or what we say all the processes in the whole system, study and understand the interactions among all the processes (or all stakeholders), determine and evaluate possible solutions with the most positive and the least negative impacts.

[@vidalskyociosen3326]

Are you hinting about out world situation right now and the vaccine ?

[@anthonytran8998]

25:29 Peter I don't believe we are intentionally trying to eradicate 50% of our species, I believe what you meant is that we are doing it, with out hindsight of the possible consequences - unintentionally. "Trying" makes it sounds like a tedious forlorn effort, to rid of species we have a quarrel with

[@billmurry5653]

I think you didn't understand the concept of systems. The statement made "Who's trying to make that happen? The short answer is we" Unfortunately Anthony, you and I are implicated and therefore by perpetuating "normal life" we are part of the cause of the destruction in today's age. Try to ignore the outcomes, for instance of buying plastic, driving car, or eating fleeting species, is also trying to continue fitting into the system. So you can try to remove your involvement, get defensive or try reframing how you view it. Whereas, conversely you could try to see what pressures the system is putting on you, and how you are inadvertently made to do things. The systems are in places for destruction, therefore we must try to be subversive to the system, not to our actions.

[@adityadwivedi1223]

#MIND Mind is the sense-making instrument, constituted by sets of beliefs, evolved into a structure over time, due to concious and unconscious - registration and interpretation of events of environment in conciousness. Events, Ideas or personalities conforming to the mental structure appear sensible to the mind and which do not conforms to it apppears insensible and appear to cause disturbense in the mind. Therfore to eliminate disturbense, mind create a desire for altering the environment as per mental structure by assuming it as the root cause of all mental agony, on contrary the root of problem is the structure of mind itself and to realise it as the source of all problems, demands great courage and infinite patience to devote yourself to the process of meditation to expand the ambit of consciousness to have holistic and objective view of whole mental structure to recognise cunningness, rigidness and limitation of mind.

[@SamuelHulick]

Actually starts at 2:41

[@yellowburger]

"Complex non-linear feedback dynamics." That should tell you all you need to know. A really sneaky way of saying "bullshit."

[@shamsulrizalibrahim6862]

What is the definition of system thinking in learning organization? Can anyone help me by giving a very simple example?

[@silviocappelluti8167]

If I take vacation, one or more colleagues have to work more in order to cover my absence. Maybe, during those days one of those colleague, because of my absence, can not participate an important meeting. This event (the meeting absence) creates a lost for the company because an important client was there asking for him. So it happened because I didn't clearly as a system and I was not aware that my absence can create a lost for the company (interconnected elements in a larger context) in that way as it happened. Next time, before to go in holidays I'll ask for the colleagues' agenda. The organization through a system thinking has learned to ask the colleagues' agenda before to go in holidays.

[@DustinKoffman]

He's cool. Obviously a System's Rock Star.

[@Potencyfunction]

It look like a mental disabled mental id he is a ID star .

[@RicardoSosaOnline]

excelente charla!

[@EclipticalD]

Beutiful, just loved it. stuck to my chair for the whole hour. We need more of this in the entire world. Guess I got a lot of reading to catch up to. Any recommendations? Ohh,..just another thing. Does anyone know if Senge has a twitter account? looked for it but only found one with no posts lol. Maybe a blog?

[@kanyewest132]

The Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge. I read this book as part of my Executive Master of Healthcare Leadership program at Brown University. Great book; I learned a lot about how to manage and handle complexity at work (hospital setting).

[@mjamesharding]

Thinking in Systems, Donella Meadows

[@leonardschofield9913]

Any takeaways from this speech?

[@pip0072009]

I'm wondering if Dr. Senge purposely chose the word interdependence vs. interconnectedness. And, as I type, I see "interconnectedness" may not be a word. lol

[@CougarsRock]

I think both are words and have different meanings. Being connected is different than being dependent though they are extremely close.

[@JP4truth]

After listening to Senge, I can't tell the difference between what he calls "systems thinking" and plain common sense. Why does one need a PhD and 30 years experience to come up with a soccer field/organic garden/micro-financing as a means of temporarily diverting poor people away from fishing?

[@yordyarms]

+JP I think your comment is the crux of the issue, plain common sense should behave like systems thinking… ? I suppose the years of effort and education are to contribute towards being able to remove oneself for the social political environment in order to regard situations from the point of view of the present user/stakeholders. It is good that you find this to be common sense, but I find few situations are resolved with the wisdom of taking a system's thinking perspective - which I roughly understand as when you have a hammer in your hand consciously *NOT* seeing everything as a nail, and perhaps not seeing the hammer as a hammer. My question is how to maintain agency and not drop into existential positions while dealing with system's thinking in macro applications?

[@JP4truth]

Jordan Armstrong My point is that I'm not convinced "systems thinking" is relevant here at all. The main reason we don't "regard situations from the point of view of the present user/stakeholders" is because common sense is usually overridden when business profits and the interests of politicians are at stake. The issue isn't a matter of knowledge or wisdom, but rather having the will to follow ethical principles.

[@nilleopa]

+JP Systems thinking is a logic that is not easily approached, I can tell by your wording that your into Design Thinking which is not systems thinking but rather far from it. A users POV or point of view is focusing on the interface between the user and its product/service, the journey and experience while systems thinking is about the ecology of systems that interact. I would here rather focus on the "space" of interactions and the users that interact within that space, we now have a systems POV. If you now would look upon that ecology of systems as a market where the actors become companies competing for the same "space" than Senge principles would for sure make one actor more successful than the others. Simplicity is really hard and what Senge has done is making a hard topic accessible for the ordinary business people stuck in a linear thinking. I have an MBA in Leading Innovation and for sure systems thinking is not teached in business school or is used by top management. Ethics is not a language, like mathematics or systems thinking, but rather guidelines and does substitute the need for systems thinking.

[@JP4truth]

Nino Baraka Did you mean to say, "does _not_ substitute the need for systems thinking"?

[@nilleopa]

+JP Correct..:) Thank you

[@ngochijohndesmondtijinbun7638]

Inspiring talk by Peter Senge; not-so-good subtitles by whoever did them.

[@Staki9]

You're right. I think these are auto-generated.

[@scottcoston7832]

Peter, I watched one of your videos (9 years old) where you believed that China was going to cap carbon based pollution. Did *not* happen! China had become a MASSIVE consumer of coal. With looming energy shortages looming in late 2021 into winter 2022 and China has stated “China will pay *ANY* price for coal. The notion that the geopolitical environment will abide by sound system tenets is fundamentally incorrect.

[@chikayyakamble]

sir, I would your video but anything is wrong what's wrong I don't know

[@rosagapi]

23:00

[@teadrunk]

Excellent and beautiful!!!!!

[@howardhaimhelfgott4494]

looks good info

[@tammivu3356]

Good.

[@ivanbajer3693]

there is no tragedy of commons for indigineous peoples. The only tradegy of commons exists in capitalist societies and the true name for it is the tragedy of private

[@bhart89]

Ivan Bajer ever been to China?

[@raycelso5314]

System simplified!

[@wrestpinpeace]

I had a negative experience watching this. I must be systems ignorant.

[@yanjun4848]

Amazing talk，China is much far away from such thinking and doing

[@adityadwivedi1223]

#SIMPLICITY OF GREATNESS Society which is not greatful! about greatness fails to spread it, and society which do not treat greatness greatly, faces same consequences, and the same society aspire the most to spread it, without reflecting to the fact, that greatness lies in simplicity then how and why people fails to recognize and respect it? This societal situation indicate toward the sheer presence of a complex social-conditining prevailing over society, which is successful in entangling social awareness into trivial matters because of that society fails to recognise even the greatness of greatness that it chooses to reside into simplicity. Thefore do not try to impose greatness, rather ask how to systematize the society that develope people aware enough to recognize the presence of conditioning over them to outgrow over conditioning to the realm where society can rejoice the simplicity of greatness. That's why the extent of rejoiceness of greatness with gratefulness will be the measure of greatness of society.

[@kutunata9749]

Surfing the flux…awesome

[@Elmassugar]

wow

[@RoyStuartwarpdrive]

Lol, everyone is good but the systems are at fault.... don't think so.

[@IDIDNTORDERANYSOUP]

This was horrible, I thought it was over but I was only 18 minutes in

[@yellowburger]

And of course the Blackfoot language has nouns. Every language has nouns. Man this dude is full of crap. He's like some kind of secular evangelist.

[@gabrielcardenas629]

Like si vienes por la tarea de pensamiento :V

[@celestialteapot309]

This is a hell of a lot of words to say you've decided Marxism and Buddhism are right, does he get paid for this?

[@oaktreedialogues6318]

Surfing the flux

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

Boring. Listen to Dave Snowden instead.