PETG VS Acrylic Stress Test - Hardline Watercooling

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[@paulshardware]

I look forward to finding shattered pieces of acrylic in various places around my garage in the future, and thinking fondly of the making of this video

[@ajjdgj6tmgedvnmtmek]

Paul's Hardware I think I know why he didn't want to film in his own studio for this one :)

[@Jedicake]

Were you guys actually placing it in cold water? Cause that would be the worst thing to do

[@wantaproblemful]

I would check the computer... Im sure some flew in there XD

[@larry_mt4402]

Also the fond memory of you feeling Jayz tube. Great vid guys.

[@bluecollarmage4512]

Still finding some?

[@willch19]

I'm so glad I made the change from acrylic to PTEG. Acrylic tubing is just a nightmare to deal with. Everytime I swung my hammer in my system, the tubes would just shatter and water would splash everywhere ruining my components. Now since I switched to PTEG, I can swing my hammer all i want and the only thing that happens is the tube changes to an oblong shape.

[@dominik2057]

xD lol

[@iBeLilTommie]

Imagine ordering a PC that was made with Acrylic tubing.

[@Zach-bg2dk]

PETG*

[@badcommentbot8349]

My guy

[@Kaiser_Pug]

The problem is that my PTEG tubing has deformed twice and Acrylic for me never has, so for me I always will use Acrylic as I don’t want to again have to deal with my PC leaking due to deformation.

[@MrSmokepiff]

A piece of that acrylic landed in my coffee.. Thanks Jay

[@Jayztwocents]

MrSmokepiff Man, it shattered more than I thought it would! Pieces flying all over!

[@justahappyfellow]

***** In Sweden, can confirm.

[@SargeRho]

***** So *that's* what hit my window earlier!

[@AZ007914]

***** Found a piece outside my house, damn, Norway can confirm¨.

[@inthelava1315]

Thanks Obama.

[@kevingallineauii9353]

Watching these old videos, seeing where you channel is now, I am quite impressed at the quality and value (time-wise) at them. Your videos have definitely improved but not in a substantial way. They have always be good. Thank you for your contribution to the community!

[@KayoMichiels]

PETG: Polyethylene terephthalate glycol.. basically PET bottle plastic, reinforced by the usage of glycol.

[@imperialdrone6261]

I was looking for a comment like yours lol

[@whatever3957]

MK3424 I was sure somebody would tell this

[@klokibril]

Damn Jay, starting to look good! Keep up the good work! I really admire you for your willpower and your knowledge. Your videos are entertaining as well as useful to watch. You're doing great!

[@Enju23]

I'm glad I've learned the difference now, I've only recently gotten into PC building, swapping out pieces here and there, or just swapping the cases, really gotten into building a pc, now I'm really interested in custom water cooling

[@EposVox]

This was a neat format!

[@williamwazere]

Toughness and strength being different qualities. Very important to consider. Interesting overview look at the materials. I'd prefer to remove variables myself if I were testing them but you don't really need to do that to get a feel for the key differences.

[@JamesHD1990]

PETG is more plasticy, and Acrilyc Acrylic is more like glass. Glass is more premium-like and looks nicer, better light reflection

[@ajjdgj6tmgedvnmtmek]

JamesHD1990 But harder to work with in some ways. I've never heard of Acrylic shattering inside a build, but I have seen people fail multiple times to get acrylic routing right, which takes time in the build process. For a personal pet project, time is free, but if you're doing it for a job, I'd rather do it the slightly faster and easier way.

[@Jayztwocents]

JamesHD1990 PETG is clearer than Acrylic, so you are kind of wrong there.

[@Kevin_Eder]

***** In the video ***** said PETG has a slight blue hue and acrylic is clearer, so you are kinda wrong there.

[@TwenOalley]

JamesHD1990 PETG literally is plastic. It's what bottles are made from.

[@UnderwearThief]

***** Polyethylene terephthalate glycol-modified. Science.

[@danosdotnl]

Thank you for the sound test, this is what I need

[@DarkPotato747]

Thank you for this. Both helpful, and amusing.

[@andyk5001]

damn watching this, Jay you have changed sooo much. Good on you man, good on you

[@NuarStanger]

Very informative video! Thank you for taking the time to put it together. I am looking forward to the bending video.

[@pLaCiDMoOoN]

Well this was extremely helpful PETA all the way! Thanks Jay:)

[@mcgilp7]

First ever KZbin post but I thought I would add my 2Cents, lol. From what I have read PETG has a max temp of 65C to 70C (149F to 158F) Whereas acrylic is 70C (158F) with short time maximum of 90C (194F). I know the temps are close but my mitx build runs about 75C -78C (167F-172F) under full load due to overclocking. Also, acrylic has a light transmission of 92% where PETg is 88%, does that not make acrylic clearer, ie more translucent?

[@akronimm862]

OMFG Jay you just saved my system... I have acrylic in my system and it's about ready to blow.

[@vmandance]

you guys are amazing keep up the good work!

[@sambarrett3059]

Awesome build is now full of shards of plastic

[@gaming-zombie1392]

I'm back & missed you & your vids... Glad to have my internet back...

[@SteezyTN]

Just picked up PrimoChill PETG and Anodized Red Revolver fittings. I don't have work or school Saturday, so I'm going to start bending then. Can't wait.

[@henkkaj73]

Thanks for a real eye-opener (yes just a bout to begin converting a silicone hose system to hard tubes)

[@novideohereatall]

As someone who has taken Concussice Maintenance to the next level i feel like hard piping that doesent shatter all over my face and components when i try to start my fans with my 60 lb sledgehammer is something extremely appealing! will graphics cards and motherboards come with PETG versions too? getting kind of tired of getting new ones all the time...

[@junito1957]

glad i watch this video save me some money before i get into this water cool system i am planning on ,great video learn a lot no acrylic tubing for me that for sure

[@RADCOMJ1]

If I had a hammer......great work guys, this vid always brings a smile to my face.

[@griddark]

Doing all my research before investing and I've pretty much spent a couple of days on your youtube account watching video after video, I think you might be the greatest source of information for water cooling on the internet. Simple question, when shaping PETG, is it ok to use a bending kit designed for acrylic. Downunder (here in AU) water cooling is relatively small, and so there is far less options for buying parts.

[@RUmlas]

I laughed hard when Paul said "Do you hammer in the morning?"

[@bjmgraphics617]

PETG is a food and drink friendly plastic. I just bought some PETG 3d printing filament for my 3d printer because of its strength and easy forming during print.

[@whewmancool]

The Best Duo on tech Linus and Luke Paul and Kyle Jayz And Jerry

[@deccraddock8787]

Good vid man, keep up the good work :)

[@anonym3044]

Jay,you are the best. Greeting from germany

[@ktrZetto]

That's really rough Jay.... LOL!

[@Vaylaga]

hi jay, you have to use a dremel (eg 4000/1-45), that tool is awesome ! greetz from Germany :)

[@bartbatenburg]

supergood focus

[@fckinnonstick9919]

Nice video jayz keep up the good work for the sake of watercooling Enthusiast ;) Anyway I just want to add that PETG is bad with mixing Ethylene Glycol based coolant in the loop.

[@ramzinho4985]

***** Amazing work man. The amount of PETG Vs Acrylic info and videos are not enough for the WC community even at OCN.Very good video. And your personal touches always makes video More funny and interesting.. Wish you the best man. Keep Rocking and making this great content. and in short answer PETG is just like water bottles.

[@briank.1221]

When I build aquariums with acrylic, I flame polish the edges with a blowtorch; perhaps you can do the same with PETG?

[@messystressy]

"that's really rough Jay" 😂

[@tobymarol7329]

wait, at ~42 seconds, why is the 0 on the 'on' side of the switch and the I on the 'off' one?

[@wilb0bble]

@ 0:09 Jay smacks Micro Jay off the screen, couldn't help but laugh lol

[@renatoscutube]

Seeing Jay asking Paul to touch his tube to see how rough it is, is something I never expected to see....

[@nachovidal4047]

What kind of tubing do you recommend to do an excellent watercooling?

[@ZoltanG_1974]

Okay, the mechanical properties of the PETG vs. acrylic is absolutely clear :)... but, what about the chemical properties? In long term contact with colored fluids, did they change the color or clearness?

[@Hellbeast58-Official]

PETG: Polyethylene terephthalate (aka. PET, PETE, PETG) is a plastic resin of the polyester family that is used to make beverage, food and other liquid containers, as well as for some other thermoforming applications. PETG is a clear amorphous thermoplastic that can be injection molded or sheet extruded. It can be colored during processing.

[@scar_robots]

Some chemistry: PETG smells when its cut because it contains a benzine ring. Benzine is well known for being 'aromatic', and although benzine itself has a 'sweet' smell, when combined with other atoms as a prat of a molecule, the smell can change. This is also amplified by the ester functional group on the ends of each unit, and esters are also known for their smells as they are used in sweets, such as pear drops.

[@xgcbadhabit9165]

jay i think you forgot to mention the water permeability that PETG has, which is, to me, the most important drawback of PETG. not a big deal though as long as you do maintenance at least every year. all other issues can be solved with some elbow grease. but there is no way to avoid water vapor escaping through the tube. i've heard PETG stains faster with dyes but ive never seen it as i don't use dyes.

[@kaylaandjimbryant8258]

Hey, Jayz, Keep up the good work, man. I have a question here, I am noticing that video card feeder blocks (EK, etc), and fittings (Bitspower, etc) seem to feed the card blocks in parallel flow splitting fashion. Does it matter if they are fed by flow splitting or daisy chained? I'm about a year out, maybe a little less, from doing a custom loop in my system, and am wondering if there is a temp difference between splitting or daisy chaining. A lot of what you have said to date makes me think this is not the case, or if it is the temp diff is so low as to not really matter. Also, on the subject of flow splitting. I have a Gigabyte Z97X Gaming G1 WiFi Black Edition. This has the water blocks on the VRM stacks. The blocks appear to be connected to each other with 1/4" or so, and I do plan to be using 1/2" ID acrylic tubing to reduce fittings costs, while still having a rigid system. How would I best deal with this? Would a flow-splitter of some kind be the answer? Thanks,

[@xbiker321]

can't wait to see the bending video with skunkworks!!

[@BillyOfTea]

Thanks, now I know what to order. PETG it will be.

[@HoidVoid]

Could you do a guide for all the different fittings for hardtubing? Like sizes and how and where to use them.

[@vilius572]

I'm about to re-do my loop and get the PETG tubing but unfortunately we don't have PETG tubing in Norway.

[@billforrest5384]

I wen't to frozencpu to order the PETG from primochill in clear... its out. Jay did you order it all?

[@perrrry]

I had some PrimoChill acrylic 12/16mm and the same just from EK. The PrimoChill tubing was inferior in every aspect when it comes to working with. So I am wondering if EK have something else in their acrylic - Which I don't mind at all. So I'll stick with acrylic for a while longer :)

[@WASDxMerceless]

Jay, I hope you do a How To about bending when you replace your tubing. I would really like to see any tips you have about bending and measuring, as I am planning a hard tubing build at the end of the year.

[@WASDxMerceless]

***** Yeah I've been practising. I have a set of Monsoon mandrels and measuring kit and a fair bit of practise tubing. I've looked up many forums and videos, but I don't settle on one method so I would love to see how Jay does it since he has a reputation for quality.

[@ajjdgj6tmgedvnmtmek]

WASDxMerceless Jay talked about bending acrylic in his original Skunkworks build and then again in his upgrade video, since he had to re-do some tubing. It's not a full guide, but it's a start.

[@TheHellHall]

get Paul a follow focus! :p Good info on the PETG. it looks like it's more related to flex tubing. makes me wonder how it will hold up over time. will it get funked up like flex tubing.

[@johnkapri6306]

PETG is basicly the same stuff plastic bottles are made of. If you look at one of those bottles of water with a thick wall, you can see that the material is slightly blue just like the pice in the video.

[@bigboost4]

***** i want to use PETG in my 1st loop, but my Bitspower d5 mod top (g1/4) doesn't look like it can support the (2) fittings side-by-side as most PETG fittings are 20mm+ wide and bitspower says 18mm max. any input? am i stuck with getting a new mod top?

[@mw2guy999]

What size tubing is that? 3/8 maybe... would you guys recommend 3/8 or something bigger. i have a future project im planning out with a 5820k and a 980 ti. Both will be on the same loop.

[@sccchan1980]

I’m looking to build my first water cooled PC and learning so much from these videos. I’ve seen comparisons between Acrylic and PETG but wonder why Polycarbonate isn’t considered? Polycarbonate has higher thermal properties compared to PETG and has higher impact resistance compared to Acrylic and PETG. My concern with PETG is that it starts to soften around 60 deg C, which I imagine the fluids temps in a loop to reach near this. With thermal cycles over the years, wouldn’t this slowly warp the PETG?

[@daveduznotrull]

petg is like polly carb I work in a plastics factory. as far as bending if you use a heat proof white chalk board and place in the oven at the right temperature it will bend well. timing and temp can be critical though

[@dinxsy8069]

Don't think PETG tubing is stocked any place in the UK,even PrimoChill,not what i have seen anyways which is a royal pain in the ass.

[@Jayztwocents]

Dinxsy Wow really?? Thats terrible. I didnt realize it was so new.

[@dinxsy8069]

***** Not to my knowledge,it may exist here,i shall have to look harder or buy from the U.S and incur the duty charges.After seeing the Acrylic shatter shocked me,i knew it was brittle from working with sheets of it but tubing was insane. Also did you see the picture on Instagram i tagged you in? Could be an solution to the Parvum GPU issue. All the best.

[@mads4834]

Dinxsy highflow do the 12mm/10mm so you can use bitspower fittings if you want. go to www.highflow.nl/acrylic-rigid-tubing/acrylic-rigid-tubing-nl/cf1-hard-tube-12-10-mm-petg-5-x-50cm.html

[@dinxsy8069]

paul maddy Thanks for that,may have saved me some researching and shipping costs,shame the lengths are only 50cm,prefer 100cm

[@mads4834]

no worries, but yes be better if 100cm was available.

[@gabrielclark1425]

Hmm... for some reason I want to use petg to redo my bathroom sink plumbing. I wonder how nice and compact I can get everything?

[@ColaboyXL]

hey jay use acetone or some other strong alcohol to make the plastic (melt) and you will get a nice edge!

[@madalinmarian2543]

Which is better to make a plane canopy ? Acrylic or PET-G ? Which is more flexible and tougher in the same time ???

[@SonicfanM]

don't know if it's rude to mention but, you really lost some weight

[@macpoopum7124]

I also noticed that... some of his recent vids he's healthily skinny and he lost alot of weight for the better

[@mjc0961]

SonicfanM Yeah. I saw the Terry Crews video and they're talking about significant weight loss and I was thinking "wait what?" This is the first video where I get it. He clearly did well though!

[@zombiesbyte331]

Dude looks great on recent videos. WD Jay

[@Wrathlon]

@@zombiesbyte331 And now he is straight up in good shape - congrats :D

[@sithkiller991]

Are there any concerns with permeation in PETG?

[@mdghotpocket7673]

XD "thats really ruff jay" he sounded like he didnt give 2 shits

[@1911Savage]

Did you shock the PETG in water after heating/bending and if so what happened to it?

[@hoseinqadam]

I am going to be that guy, thermal shocking most things can lead to failure. Being in a hot state would mean the material has been expended, suddenly cooling it would make it shrink and as such would create cracks (if the material isn't ductile).

[@qatronano]

no shit.... 3rd grade science....

[@BundyPoppy]

Agreed.....I am amazed everyone doesn't know this.

[@qatronano]

BundyPoppy most european ppl learn this at school but some american schools and such dont teach this basic stuff that well

[@580lightning]

You should invest in a pipe cutting tool like those that plumbers use, the edges gets ultra smooth and clean after the cut.

[@PastorwithoutaPulpit]

OMG, Paul touched Jay's tube at 4:27 !!!

[@hexmaniacal76]

JAY I HAVE A QUESTION SHOULD I USE PETG OR ACRYLIC

[@nitro300]

What's grit of sand paper is best for PETG?

[@jameshicks101]

Not sure if anyone posted this in the comments yet, but I would suggest trying a pipe cutter from homedepot for the PETG. No mess, cuts fast, and cleaner edge. Not sure how well it works with PETG, but worth a try. Its just a small carbide disk the rotates around the pipe/tube and you tighten it gradually each time around until it cuts through.

[@reetuh]

"Thats really rough Jay..."

[@gattie12ben]

The focus pulling is making me go crazy XD

[@hiraethneko-chan1022]

"That's really rough, Jay." "Do you hammer in the morning? Do you hammer in the evening?"

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

I fought Linus was bad for the dick jokes lol 😂

[@1981stoic]

what is the song at the end of the video

[@gillestgrant873]

lol Paul and Jay connection.

[@mads775d]

Hey Jayztwocents since the PETG looks so soft is it possible to bend it the same way as copper tube ? or do i have to heat it up like acrylic ?

[@verymuchgoodgaming132]

you still have to heat it up to bend it

[@AXERS]

I always dump my acrylic tube into cold water and it never cracked. It all depends on the quality of the acrylic... There are BIG differences in acrylic quality. Atila

[@qatronano]

it will get invisible cracks tho...

[@kinnai8334]

temperature shock pls, EVERY material gets damaged with it although some materials are stronger and others are weaker..

[@hunterramsy3895]

I've never attempted to watercool but couldn't you also use pvc? Thanks!

[@gaterhd]

***** Nice video dude! Totally support the going self employed idea.. I am wondering if the hard tubing sold by EK is PETG or Acrylic? I don't think it is stated anywhere

[@MrDrTheJniac]

Look forward to jay going 60fps.

[@brandishwar]

You also cannot use certain coolants with PETG -- namely anything containing ethylene glycol, also called ethane-diol or ethanediol (automotive antifreeze, Mayhem's XT-1, Phobya ZuperZero, Feser, among others). Propylene glycol is also called propane-diol or propanediol and can be used with PETG tubing -- Koolance, Primochill, XS-PC, Fluid XP+. Mayhem's X1 and Pastels use a glycerol and distilled water base, and as far as I can find, there's no concern with using that and PETG.

[@jadeprinces]

Easy PETG in right hand,it got a bit of color. And to add PETG Polyethylene terephthalate

[@revorger]

I have searched for hours, can anyone tell me what the music track at the beginning is called?

[@hikarikoi7]

i tried first generation primochill hard fittings and their tubing and it was a complete disaster. the bending is tedious and hard to work with. i hate those spider fractures and when you accidentally overheat it and the tube becomes convoluted.

[@bigtomtom14able]

Hello Jay!

[@louism1621]

whats the music at the start ??

[@Ravenousjoe]

Since I know you don't care what it is, PETG is Polyethylene terephthalate the glycol monomer swapped out for another to change crystallization properties and lowers the melting point, it also makes it easier to dye the plastic during production.

[@paulshardware]

I feel like I just learned something from a KZbin comment, and it has changed my perception of reality. Thank you alcowherd7!

[@Ravenousjoe]

Hooray I'm glad my schooling in materials engineering has (finally) paid off.

[@tpax3p]

Where i can buy PETG in UK ? Cheers

[@andrewross1934]

PETG stands for polyethylene terephthalate. Basically complicated chemistry jargon for a specific macromolecular plastic.

[@was1max]

What's the background music in the beginning of the video?

[@stupidburp]

Various types of PET are very useful and tend to be very tough and durable. As they age though these qualities are gradually lost. Just something to be aware of. In a computer case they are well protected from harsh conditions but in other applications exposure to sunlight, salt water, certain chemicals, or extreme temperatures will dramatically accelerate degradation and eventually the material will disintegrate. Should be okay inside of a case for the useful life of a PC though.

[@Hyncharas]

Maybe you should get a motorised file for nail care - I dare say the principles are the same when smoothing PETG.

[@NakedChicken69]

Are there any advantages to using actual rubber tubing Besides ease of use?

[@fireeraser2206]

It's safer. PETG gets soft at rather low temperatures and acrylic can have cracks that expand over time.

[@breelz]

"this is why we use PETG tubing now" i creased

[@ZulqarnainAidil]

Would the vibrations on pumps or something cause fractures on the acrylic or something? or is it just tempered glass?

[@TheAtqthe30th]

I'm not sure about the pumps vibration would cause it. But if you're making a small itx build with acrylic tubing to bring to lan parties, it could be a major problem if you drove over a pot hole while transporting it. I do know that if the water does get to warm enough acrylic has a much higher chance of cracking(usually caused my a hair line crack that wasn't seen)

[@turk639]

+Atqthe30th thats why you anneal your acrylic so you relieve the stress

[@GautamKumar-cr7tw]

Isn’t there a comparability issue with certain fluids with PETG?